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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: oldgamerz on August 10, 2020, 06:14:31 pm
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The PS4 can't play audio CDs?! :o
Just learned this.
That’s really weird. I would have lost money on that.
Same. Knowledge is power!
I saw this mentioned in the VGCollect Autonomous thread, but I didn't post this on there because I didn't want to but in and hijack the topic. So what is your further opinions on the 8th generation consoles?
Including the overall quality of the Xbox One and The PlayStation 4 and the Wii U. compared previous generations especially the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360, and original Wii?
I'll start with SONY, first off the every single SONY console up until the PlayStation 4 could play music CD's and the PlayStation 2 and 3 also could and it was almost fully backwards compatible with previous generations.
I understand why the later model PlayStation 3's stopped PS2 (game disc) compatibility due to cut production cost. From what I also heard that the original PlayStation 3's.
That were compatible with PlayStation 2 games, also had hardware issues. Yet I am vary thankful and grateful that all PlayStation 3 models successfully play PlayStation 1 games or at least most of the entire game library.
Now lets look at the Microsoft Xbox, first off the Xbox original could play music CD's and from what I heard also movie DVD's. and came with a harddrive built in. and my own Xbox360 slim didn't have a hardrive built in.
But I'll admit I think buying the Xbox 360 slim's (internal) harddrive is worth every penny to preserve the consoles laser and hardware health. By playing all native Xbox360 games off the harddrive. but I did get a free built in memory stick on my own Xbox 360 for saving some patches and game progress
Although the Xbox 360 had a lot of known issues with it's hardware, as well. But it also played and allowed you to put songs from Music CD's on it's harddrive or memory stick. but I am not sure about movie DVDs. and the Xbox 360 it was partial in it's backwards compatibility with most Xbox original games.
Although I'll be honest, and tell you I never seen the improvement of the 8th generation of consoles with my own eyes. So I can't comment on the positives. the and graphical improvement everyone is raving and praising with both the Xbox One and The PlayStation 4 consoles.
But I did hear that the hardware is lasting longer, on the newer generation? does it?
I never owned a Wii U but I am not too much of a fan of the original Wii consoles, but the original Wii console was backwards compatible with the GameCube I think?
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It has Spotify. I'll take that over music CD's.
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The quality didn't change, the features people look for changed. CD's and backwards compatibility aren't that important anymore compared to back in the early to mid 2000's, it's more about streaming and digital content, so that's what the systems catered to.
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Is the games better? I know there is a lot of HD graphics, and enhancements to run on high end televisions, But does anyone know if the games themselves are better? in all of you guys opinions?
Me hearing about most of the games requiring online data downloads are the #1 reason why I don't obtain anything 8 generation even if it's used I still don't bite. #2 is the fact that the game could go offline whenever the company closes their server.
I already had one relative that bought a physical PC game that needed to be downloaded. a while back and never got a chance to play it. Because he didn't have the time to get to play it before the company took the game off the server. and it cost him either $30 or $60 USD. it was purchased new too I have to ask him again, but he is vary angry about that.
But I have to admit neither SONY or Microsoft has closed down anything yet, 7th or 8th to my knowledge :-\
(edit) now what SONY did close was the PlayStation 3 CD track and song information server. Forcing people to input all the music CD track and song information manually. Yea so unless you want your songs to all be called "track 1" and "track 2" and unknown artist and unknown album you can still rip it but it will suck
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Is the games better? I know there is a lot of HD graphics, and enhancements to run on high end televisions, But does anyone know if the games themselves are better? in all of you guys opinions?
Me hearing about most of the games requiring online data downloads are the #1 reason why I don't obtain anything 8 generation even if it's used I still don't bite. #2 is the fact that the game could go offline whenever the company closes their server.
I already had one relative that bought a physical PC game that needed to be downloaded. a while back and never got a chance to play it. Because he didn't have the time to get to play it before the company took the game off the server. and it cost him either $30 or $60 USD. it was purchased new too I have to ask him again, but he is vary angry about that.
Games being better are subjective, but there have been great games for sure. Just with PS4 there's Bloodborne, God of War, Spider-Man, and others. Games that look really good and play incredibly well. Most games don't become unplayable, though it depends on if it's a multiplayer only game or not. Some digital only releases could see removal too. That being said, physical PC games are rarely actually physical anymore, haven't for years, most end up just being codes in a package. I still try to grab them once in awhile for display sake, but I also just buy digital most of the time when it comes to PC.
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It has Spotify. I'll take that over music CD's.
Xbox One has both.
I'm a collector, music CDs included. I moved my PS4 into the living room to be my new blu-player. Went to put in a CD to play through the sound system, and nothing happened. So I looked it up online and learned it just doesn't play them, I was very surprised.
If you have a disc drive already in the console, it is very little work to make a CD player program, or even allow for someone's else's CD playback to work on it. The Sega CD could do this, for crying out loud.
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It has Spotify. I'll take that over music CD's.
Xbox One has both.
I'm a collector, music CDs included. I moved my PS4 into the living room to be my new blu-player. Went to put in a CD to play through the sound system, and nothing happened. So I looked it up online and learned it just doesn't play them, I was very surprised.
If you have a disc drive already in the console, it is very little work to make a CD player program, or even allow for someone's else's CD playback to work on it. The Sega CD could do this, for crying out loud.
Take note "burningdoom" about the following regarding the SONY PS3 music server I forgot to mention
now what SONY did close was the PlayStation 3 CD track and song information server. Forcing people to input all the music CD track and song information manually. Yea so unless you want your songs to all be called "track 1" and "track 2" and unknown artist and unknown album you can still rip it on any PlayStation 3 but it will suck
(edit) I just looked and saw you didn't own a PS3 :-\
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If I remember correctly, when the PS4 came out was when Sony was trying to push their Sony Music service which eventually was discontinued and Spotify took its place. I didnt know the PS4 couldnt read CDs until I saw that thread but honestly its not something I would lose sleep over and given that its been what 6 years since the PS4 came and no one mentioned it then by all accounts not a whole lot care.
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I think the last CD I purposefully got was the Ocarina of Time soundtrack as a freebie for renewing a Nintendo Power subscription. The inability to play audio CDs is something I would not consider a dealbreaker (or even consider it at all).
Really the most important thing I look at about a game system is how well the games themselves play. Everything else is secondary, and if it doesn't have a particular feature, that's what all my other technological gadgets are for.
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The PS4 can't play audio CDs?! :o
Just learned this.
That’s really weird. I would have lost money on that.
Same. Knowledge is power!
I saw this mentioned in the VGCollect Autonomous thread, but I didn't post this on there because I didn't want to but in and hijack the topic. So what is your further opinions on the 8th generation consoles?
Including the overall quality of the Xbox One and The PlayStation 4 and the Wii U. compared previous generations especially the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360, and original Wii?
I never owned a Wii U but I am not too much of a fan of the original Wii consoles, but the original Wii console was backwards compatible with the GameCube I think?
For my opinion on the Wii U, it's not the actual hardware which was a drop in quality compared to the predecessor the Wii; rather it was a mix of errors from Nintendo. The Wii U is widely considered one of Nintendo's biggest failures considering it had very large shoes and expectations to fill after a home-run like the Wii.
First of all, the NAME. Wii U? I still can't get over it, fans were confused. Is this an upgrade to the Wii? Is it an extension? In my opinion this already sunk the boat before it left the harbor.
Second, the impression people had of the new gamepad was not good, it just seemed like a giant ipad with two analog sticks. People's opinions on this are still mixed to this day, I personally don't really mind it but if the game has Wii U pro controller compatibility, i'm sure as heck going to use it.
Third, the game library was overall just extremely weak in comparison to other Nintendo console titles. Mario 3d world, breath of the wild, smash, mario maker, mario kart 8. I mean there's a few more here and there but that's really it. Due to how poorly the system and games sold, Nintendo ported most of the big hit titles to the Switch to try and leverage for their losses on the Wii U.
Overall, the system and presentation of the Wii U at launch just did not seem that innovative, it just seemed like a mildly upgrade wii. It didn't have people jumping out of their seats like the Wii or Switch.
I mean sure it was backwards compatible with the Wii but that's really all it had going for it in terms of additional features. The Mii universe is same old, the motion control same old. The Switch really brought back Nintendo from the dark ages.
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Is the games better? I know there is a lot of HD graphics, and enhancements to run on high end televisions, But does anyone know if the games themselves are better? in all of you guys opinions?
Answers to this question will be heavily subjective. However, on a personal level, I will say that in addition to variety, many more titles released by smaller development teams were greenlit for publishing and even saw physical releases. For every PlayStation 3 title I'm interested in, four PlayStation 4 titles exist, and my collection clearly showcases that.
Me hearing about most of the games requiring online data downloads are the #1 reason why I don't obtain anything 8 generation even if it's used I still don't bite. #2 is the fact that the game could go offline whenever the company closes their server.
While many games these days have regular updates even on the day of their release, these often don't—if ever—impact my gaming experience. I never play online multiplayer games and instead focus on single-player experience. So with this said, I've personally never had a game become inaccessible for me to play. Any updates given are largely to fix small bugs or to give greater quality-of-life updates. If a game decides to add extra content for free at the cost of only downloading it, I'm never upset about it down the road. I understand that several weeks pass between a game going gold and it finally releasing; in this day and age, obviously a lot more work can be tacked on in solving problems. While I'm not an avid supporter of this practice and would rather expect a game to be as fully complete and problem-free as possible upon going gold, I know that the industry's standards are sharp and rigid with deadlines.
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Like others have stated, demand for physical music media has pretty much gone the way of the dodo now that streaming is the mainstay. Having Spotify on your PS4 really makes putting in a CD player feel pretty redundant if you ask me. Same reason why CD players have disappeared from cars. I've had some Denon audio equipment for 6 years now and it's worked fantastic. It's pretty basic, but also have it hooked up to my sub and my turntable. That's what I use to play CDs.
I probably stream about 90% of my music, but I also like purchasing music on CD or vinyl, especially if it's an artist I want to support. Artists have very few ways to make a living right now without being able to tour and with streaming services gouging out artists by paying out .005 cents for every play.
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who uses a console as a music player, like seriously.
You want to play music during gameplay so if your going to use music cd's you have a seperate cd players next to the playstation 4 console.
you can't do both, it would be a waste to use a console just as a music player with so many options to listen music these days.
a seperate cd player ain't that pricy
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who uses a console as a music player, like seriously.
You want to play music during gameplay so if your going to use music cd's you have a seperate cd players next to the playstation 4 console.
you can't do both, it would be a waste to use a console just as a music player with so many options to listen music these days.
a seperate cd player ain't that pricy
yes I can agree but :-\
When money was tighter for me I used my PlayStation 2 temporary for listening to music when my PC was down, (I would not recommend this because it ultimately killed one of my lasers.
portable CD players are pretty much junk,
they suck batteries dry and even with an AC adapter attached I wore my multiple CD players laser out constantly, As far as I know, PC, and laptops are pretty much the only (convenient) way today to rip a music CD collection and listen to it off it's harddrive, but. On my end Windows 10 cut Itunes off and left us with a slightly buggy Windows Media Player for ripping and Groove for the best player on the windows 10 PC's.
somebody mention that the Xbox One could be used for this I would like to hear more on that
I'll admit that there is a lot of other devices to play music CD's What makes no sense to me about Sony is that as far as I know they produce music CD's themselves, and other brand name electronics. or at least they did in the 1990's I know. But maybe there trying to get people to buy a new Sony Brand stereo.
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Yeah, not everyone plays music CDs anymore, but plenty of people do or there wouldn't still be music sections of stores or record stores. That's as broad of a statement as saying everyone just downloads or streams games, nobody buys physical (which every single person here would cry out that they like physical better).
My point is that while it's not the main means of music anymore, it's not expensive or difficult to add an audio player app to something that already has a disc drive. Or if they didn't even want to bother with that, they could have just let you download another app from the PlayStation store. It literally would have only been an app approval for them and done. Not saying that I'm not gonna buy a console over that, though. Just saying it seems very lazy since it's so easy to do.
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Yeah, not everyone plays music CDs anymore, but plenty of people do or there wouldn't still be music sections of stores or record stores. That's as broad of a statement as saying everyone just downloads or streams games, nobody buys physical (which every single person here would cry out that they like physical better).
My point is that while it's not the main means of music anymore, it's not expensive or difficult to add an audio player app to something that already has a disc drive. Or if they didn't even want to bother with that, they could have just let you download another app from the PlayStation store for. It literally would have only been an app approval for them and done. Not saying that I'm not gonna buy a console over that, though. Just saying it seems very lazy since it's so easy to do.
Yes there is always people buying music CDs in my area, and online stores like Walmart and Amazon do still go out of stock on there items, continually. but as far as streaming serves goes, if you have a data cap on your internet for phone or device.
Then you might be using tons of data up within 30 minutes, every second you hear a song or even a commercial or video you're using data (lots of data) each second. It much nicer to just have your own collection.
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I still miss the audio visualizer from the PS1.
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I have to ask now, does the PS4 even read any media player for Digital Music (MP3 etc.) quiet honestly I just listen to my music through my laptop or phone. I really just rip my CD's onto my computer and keep them as a physical backup nowadays. especially since I know I have several I can't buy online digitally.
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I still miss the audio visualizer from the PS1.
yea it was kind of neat, really SONY were the first to do this I think, Microsoft Windows XP later did similar visuals in the early 2000's for Windows Media Player.
And many might not know it but the PlayStation 3 operating systems also come with three different visualizers built into the PS3 software.
one of the visualizers is used as my avatar, That earth photo on my forum avatar, is actually one of the music visualizers that came built into the PlayStation 3's operating system, That visualizer shows a moving video of the earth sun and moon, and while that displays so does your song information.
I had my camera ready put on some music and then turned on one of the visualizers and took that photo off my television screen.
I am not responsible for the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gud7hiPRM0
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It has Spotify. I'll take that over music CD's.
Xbox One has both.
I'm a collector, music CDs included. I moved my PS4 into the living room to be my new blu-player. Went to put in a CD to play through the sound system, and nothing happened. So I looked it up online and learned it just doesn't play them, I was very surprised.
If you have a disc drive already in the console, it is very little work to make a CD player program, or even allow for someone's else's CD playback to work on it. The Sega CD could do this, for crying out loud.
The PS4 has been out since when, and in all that time you just recently found out it doesn't play audio CDs? I mean, I get it, but you're crying over spilled milk at this point. Here's a wild idea, though; rip the CDs you want to listen to and import them to a USB drive. I think Sony even has a page for this specifically somewhere in their website.
Playing CDs was a low-demand feature, as far as I've read, and as droaa pointed out, Sony at the time was pushing their streaming service, plus they were also being stingy. Plain and simple, the PS4 doesn't have the hardware to play CDs.
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I just realized.
I feel like I keep repeating myself and making the same statements over and over. and if I am, I apologize. to this forum. sorry if my statements are annoying anyone.
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I believe it's all subjective, if you ask us collectors here the majority of us will say previous gens are better because there were no Day 1 patches, no 50GB add ons, games worked as they should from day 1, etc.
However if you ask a modern gamer about this they really couldn't care less to be honest. Majority of people playing games are buying digital and loathe collection clutter. Video game collectors are a dying breed when you look at the large scale of things. Last I heard digital sales for PS4 is up ahead by 74% compared to people buying physical, so the PS5 is gonna be the last console with physical games at this rate.
Music CDs are pretty much alien to kids and young adults these days when everything is so readily available on Spotify. Modern consoles have apps for Music, Youtube, Netflix, storefronts, etc. And that to a modern gamer is quality compared to being able to play a music CD from the disc drive.
Sony and Microsoft are just catering to the overall majority of their consumer base to earn a profit. Just look at how popular Game Pass is, the gaming industry is saying it's the best thing to come out of this generation and I don't blame them, to a modern gamer it's a no brainer to subscribe to Game Pass because the value behind it is too good to pass up. For me as a collector I couldn't give a damn because I have a large majority of those games I'm interested in being offered and my main concern is if my physical game is backward compatible to run on an Xbox One.
Quality wise the modern consoles are pretty solid with 500GB / 1TB storage options, they just cater to a different crowd, the young and upcoming crowd that is. For me I don't use any of the additional apps on my PS4 or XB1, I just use it to play my physical games and connect it online to just download the latest patches or DLC's I'm interested in. The modern console is just not built for me, accepted it a long time ago but I still enjoy what modern gaming has to offer.
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8th gen definitely has some ups in quality
It's only barriers might be micro transactions, to much dlc and making games to easy/casual while leaving no options for the core players.
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Plain and simple, the PS4 doesn't have the hardware to play CDs.
It has a blu-ray drive, that's the hardware.
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Plain and simple, the PS4 doesn't have the hardware to play CDs.
It has a blu-ray drive, that's the hardware.
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Dude, an optical drive just won't magically play/read every kind of optical media there is. Yes, it "has a blu-ray drive", but that doesn't intrinsically make it backwards compatible - it needs certain hardware to be able to read all those CDs you're wailing on about.
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Pretty much no one is going to use a sony console as a cd player
and for the harcore music cd lovers they already have a high quality cd player on the side wich you can turn on during gameplay
Using A ps4 as a cd players is pretty expensive considering how cheap a good cd players is there is very good reason why it can't read cd's in this era.
the new era will use other sources to get their music and the old generation has their quality cd players on the side anyway
There is no loss here.
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Plain and simple, the PS4 doesn't have the hardware to play CDs.
It has a blu-ray drive, that's the hardware.
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Dude, an optical drive just won't magically play/read every kind of optical media there is. Yes, it "has a blu-ray drive", but that doesn't intrinsically make it backwards compatible - it needs certain hardware to be able to read all those CDs you're wailing on about.
Seriously? And you're gonna try to make a funny meme about it and everything? Wow. All blu-ray drives can also read DVDs and CDs. Just like all DVD drives can also read CDs.
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Seriously? And you're gonna try to make a funny meme about it and everything? Wow. All blu-ray drives can also read DVDs and CDs. Just like all DVD drives can also read CDs.
Yeah, I'll meme it up whenever the time calls for it. Why? Do memes offend you, too?
You just recently learned that the PS4 doesn't read CDs, so I can understand you being thick-headed. Just Google this shit up and learn for yourself why the PS4 doesn't read CDs if you don't want to take my word for it.
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Seriously? And you're gonna try to make a funny meme about it and everything? Wow. All blu-ray drives can also read DVDs and CDs. Just like all DVD drives can also read CDs.
Yeah, I'll meme it up whenever the time calls for it. Why? Do memes offend you, too?
You just recently learned that the PS4 doesn't read CDs, so I can understand you being thick-headed. Just Google this shit up and learn for yourself why the PS4 doesn't read CDs if you don't want to take my word for it.
It's not that hard to be a civil instead of an abrasive dick. (Especially since you're wrong, lol.) Anyone that knows a damn thing about computer tech can tell you blu-ray drives are inherently backwards compatible. So then yeah, blu-ray drives can read all optical media. There is not a single TECHNICAL reason why the PS4 cannot play audio CDs, which was my point to begin with. Sony specifically made it not be able to read audio CDs. It can read DVDs, still.
Sony pushing their steaming service seems to be the most logical reason. The hardware has absolutely zero to do with it "plain and simple".
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Aren't there some very niche blu-ray releases of music out there? (FFXIV is one example I can think of).
But I'm pretty sure those will play if you put them in a PS4 (it will play as a movie), and you can extract MP3s of the music straight out of your PS4
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Seriously? And you're gonna try to make a funny meme about it and everything? Wow. All blu-ray drives can also read DVDs and CDs. Just like all DVD drives can also read CDs.
Yeah, I'll meme it up whenever the time calls for it. Why? Do memes offend you, too?
You just recently learned that the PS4 doesn't read CDs, so I can understand you being thick-headed. Just Google this shit up and learn for yourself why the PS4 doesn't read CDs if you don't want to take my word for it.
It's not that hard to be a civil instead of an abrasive dick. (Especially since you're wrong, lol.) Anyone that knows a damn thing about computer tech can tell you blu-ray drives are inherently backwards compatible. So then yeah, blu-ray drives can read all optical media. There is not a single TECHNICAL reason why the PS4 cannot play audio CDs, which was my point to begin with. Sony specifically made it not be able to read audio CDs. It can read DVDs, still.
Sony pushing their steaming service seems to be the most logical reason. The hardware has absolutely zero to do with it "plain and simple".
the ps4 is proof that this isn't always the case
Sure most blue ray players also play audio cd's but apparently it isn't a guarantee there are some optional pieces of tech to make that happen.
extra manufacturing costs + licensing fee's per ps4 unit to philips for music cd's in an era where it's so easy to listen or copy music to other devices. music cd's are expensive.
Aside from hardcore music collectors, who is ever going to copy music onto a cd. it's such a hassle compared to literally downloading it within a few seconds to another device.
I really don't see the loss here honestly, hardcore cd collectors have a quality standalone cd player and the newer generations do not give a shit.
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It's not that hard to be a civil instead of an abrasive dick. (Especially since you're wrong, lol.) Anyone that knows a damn thing about computer tech can tell you blu-ray drives are inherently backwards compatible. So then yeah, blu-ray drives can read all optical media. There is not a single TECHNICAL reason why the PS4 cannot play audio CDs, which was my point to begin with. Sony specifically made it not be able to read audio CDs. It can read DVDs, still.
Sony pushing their steaming service seems to be the most logical reason. The hardware has absolutely zero to do with it "plain and simple".
Well, firstly, in regards to the "being civil" comment; I was from the get-go - using a meme and making a throwaway comment doesn't make me a boor. Thank you for the compliment, anyway.
Now, I must say that I like the boastful confidence you show in telling me I'm wrong. Yes, there are many blu-ray drives that will indeed read CDs just the same way they do DVDs; however, this is not always the case. As sworddude pointed out, certain "pieces of tech" are needed to achieve this. This is irrelevant, though because we're not talking about what's "standard" in a blu-ray drive, this whole time all we've been doing is talk about the blu-ray drive in the PS4, that's been the context of this discussion since the moment you dragged it in from elsewhere. As you said, "Sony specifically made it not be able to read audio CDs.", which is something I alluded to since my initial post; they were pushing their streaming service (as droaa stated) and were being stingy in the process. The blu-ray drive in the PS4 doesn't read your precious CDs because it doesn't have the hardware (i.e. "pieces of tech") required to play them, plain and simple. When I say that I'm not referring to the drive itself but that other particular component that Sony strategically decided to take away. That is the "TECHNICAL" reason why the PS4 can't read your audio CDs.
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(https://i.imgur.com/RuqhawL.gif)Meh.
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There is no hardware reason why the PS4 can't play CDs. It's entirely a software limitation.
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It's not that hard to be a civil instead of an abrasive dick. (Especially since you're wrong, lol.) Anyone that knows a damn thing about computer tech can tell you blu-ray drives are inherently backwards compatible. So then yeah, blu-ray drives can read all optical media. There is not a single TECHNICAL reason why the PS4 cannot play audio CDs, which was my point to begin with. Sony specifically made it not be able to read audio CDs. It can read DVDs, still.
Sony pushing their steaming service seems to be the most logical reason. The hardware has absolutely zero to do with it "plain and simple".
Well, firstly, in regards to the "being civil" comment; I was from the get-go - using a meme and making a throwaway comment doesn't make me a boor. Thank you for the compliment, anyway.
Now, I must say that I like the boastful confidence you show in telling me I'm wrong. Yes, there are many blu-ray drives that will indeed read CDs just the same way they do DVDs; however, this is not always the case. As sworddude pointed out, certain "pieces of tech" are needed to achieve this. This is irrelevant, though because we're not talking about what's "standard" in a blu-ray drive, this whole time all we've been doing is talk about the blu-ray drive in the PS4, that's been the context of this discussion since the moment you dragged it in from elsewhere. As you said, "Sony specifically made it not be able to read audio CDs.", which is something I alluded to since my initial post; they were pushing their streaming service (as droaa stated) and were being stingy in the process. The blu-ray drive in the PS4 doesn't read your precious CDs because it doesn't have the hardware (i.e. "pieces of tech") required to play them, plain and simple. When I say that I'm not referring to the drive itself but that other particular component that Sony strategically decided to take away. That is the "TECHNICAL" reason why the PS4 can't read your audio CDs.
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(https://i.imgur.com/RuqhawL.gif)Meh.
No. Just no. That's not the case. The blu-ray drive in the PS4 can play audio CDs if it was in any other device. It's just Sony deciding they don't want it to. There is no piece of hardware inside of it or missing from it that is preventing it from playing audio CDs.
If that's the case, please pzeke, or sworddude, point out the piece of hardware that it's missing or is preventing it from playing audio CDs.
And I didn't drag anything from another post. The original poster in the original post of this thread was talking about it, which I was responding to.
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I don't know if this is the true, but apparently the PS4 has only 650nm (DVD) laser and 450nm (Blu-Ray) laser, but does not have 780nm laser for CDs.
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I don't know if this is the true, but apparently the PS4 has only 650nm (DVD) laser and 450nm (Blu-Ray) laser, but does not have 780nm laser for CDs.
So there it is. That's the piece of hardware it's lacking.
With a little Google digging, I found that it uses a KES-860 PHA drive. I cannot find any technical specifications about that drive, though. Only that it's for sale online.
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I don't know if this is the true, but apparently the PS4 has only 650nm (DVD) laser and 450nm (Blu-Ray) laser, but does not have 780nm laser for CDs.
So there it is. That's the piece of hardware it's lacking.
With a little Google digging, I found that it uses a KES-860 PHA drive. I cannot find any technical specifications about that drive, though. Only that it's for sale online.
let's not forget the licensing/royalties fee's to philips if they where getting that extra laser for cd's
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While the PS4's optical drive supports DVDs and Blu-Ray discs, it unequivocally cannot read audio CDs – the first time this hack has ever heard of an optical drive with this limitation. ... Which in this case means PS4 games exclusively, because the PS4 doesn't support any PS3, PS2, or PSOne games.
So it must be a hardware or software hack according to this.
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I don't know if this is the true, but apparently the PS4 has only 650nm (DVD) laser and 450nm (Blu-Ray) laser, but does not have 780nm laser for CDs.
everything Ive read regarding bluray drive specifications is that the red laser included in blu-ray drives handles both wavelengths.
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I don't know if this is the true, but apparently the PS4 has only 650nm (DVD) laser and 450nm (Blu-Ray) laser, but does not have 780nm laser for CDs.
everything Ive read regarding bluray drive specifications is that the red laser included in blu-ray drives handles both wavelengths.
if the hardware is actually available to read audio discs on the ps4
Wouldn't there have been some ps4 mods by now to read cd's.
I haven't seen any audio cd mods so i highly doubt it's just some software that prevented you from using it. it's a bit more complicated than that if I had to guess probably missing some tech/hardware to actually read cd's in wich even mods can't get it to work.
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Okay, so I was waiting to get back home to check the PS4 user's manual (safety guide), which is actually what I was initially going to do instead of replying, but I was bored out of my mind, so blame my inability to remain still while meandering around the Internet on a "workday". Amidst all this discussion, I recall seeing there that the PS4 doesn't play CDs, but somehow misremembered the guide also stating that the blu-ray drive didn't include the laser specific for CD playback. Well, long story short, my replies were mainly based on anecdotal information that I read or heard, which inevitably were erroneous.
As the image below indicates...
(https://i.imgur.com/1FRDlAO.jpg)
The PS4 has three lasers, one being for CDs.
So, other than Sony's penchant to push their failed streaming service, it all boils down to a licensing issue, or in other words them being cheap.
Now, at the risk of being an obstinate fool, I still believe there's some piece of hardware missing solely based on what I read/heard, but I honestly don't have the will (or the time) to go on an expedition to verify this, nor the skills needed to disassemble my PS4 and check myself. But hey, my apologies - to err is human, as the saying goes.
With a little Google digging, I found that it uses a KES-860 PHA drive. I cannot find any technical specifications about that drive, though. Only that it's for sale online.
As far as I know, that's for the original; the PS4 Slim (CUH-2115B), which is the one I have, uses KEM-496AAA.
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There are several articles out there, presumably covering one interview (could be multiple), where someone from Sony mentions that the systems team was looking at including audio CD capabilities through a system update. Obviously that never happened, but it sounded like that was their intent from the beginning, to maybe include it through an update.
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There are several articles out there, presumably covering one interview (could be multiple), where someone from Sony mentions that the systems team was looking at including audio CD capabilities through a system update. Obviously that never happened, but it sounded like that was their intent from the beginning, to maybe include it through an update.
if it was just an update, why not just jailbreak the ps4 mod it and make it work
I haven't seen an audio cd app to play them on the ps4
if it was just an official update in wich it might eventually work you might expect it to doable to just crack the system and play music cd's on a ps2 when they haven't released it just yet, yet this isn't the case.
Still why would it need to be an official update doesnt make any sense if it's not implemented from the get go.
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There are several articles out there, presumably covering one interview (could be multiple), where someone from Sony mentions that the systems team was looking at including audio CD capabilities through a system update. Obviously that never happened, but it sounded like that was their intent from the beginning, to maybe include it through an update.
if it was just an update, why not just jailbreak the ps4 mod it and make it work
I haven't seen an audio cd app to play them on the ps4
if it was just an official update in wich it might eventually work you might expect it to doable to just crack the system and play music cd's on a ps2 when they haven't released it just yet, yet this isn't the case.
Still why would it need to be an official update doesnt make any sense if it's not implemented from the get go.
It's a two fold software issue. The OS has to tell the reader to process the data, this is where the licensing from Philips or whomever comes into play. Philips doesn't require licensing to use a 780nm wavelength laser, they require licensing to process data from their owned medium. On the other side, there has to be software to do something with the data that is read, that is, needing an app to play music read from a CD. I would venture to guess the reason no one has done it is because if you were to illegally add the ability to read CDs without someone paying Philips you're opening yourself to lawsuit, but that's really me guessing on that one. I honestly have 0 knowledge of the PS4 modding scene, so I really couldn't say why it doesn't exist or if it doesn't exist.
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There are several articles out there, presumably covering one interview (could be multiple), where someone from Sony mentions that the systems team was looking at including audio CD capabilities through a system update. Obviously that never happened, but it sounded like that was their intent from the beginning, to maybe include it through an update.
if it was just an update, why not just jailbreak the ps4 mod it and make it work
I haven't seen an audio cd app to play them on the ps4
if it was just an official update in wich it might eventually work you might expect it to doable to just crack the system and play music cd's on a ps2 when they haven't released it just yet, yet this isn't the case.
Still why would it need to be an official update doesnt make any sense if it's not implemented from the get go.
It's a two fold software issue. The OS has to tell the reader to process the data, this is where the licensing from Philips or whomever comes into play. Philips doesn't require licensing to use a 780nm wavelength laser, they require licensing to process data from their owned medium. On the other side, there has to be software to do something with the data that is read, that is, needing an app to play music read from a CD. I would venture to guess the reason no one has done it is because if you were to illegally add the ability to read CDs without someone paying Philips you're opening yourself to lawsuit, but that's really me guessing on that one. I honestly have 0 knowledge of the PS4 modding scene, so I really couldn't say why it doesn't exist or if it doesn't exist.
modding and jailbreaking is also a law suit material. The reason why most mod their console is to pirate newly released games for free.
lawsuits are not the issue here modding in general is lawsuit material but they are not going to go after you since it's way to much effort to find people, people are pirating and modding their consoles today and years ago, however no apps to play music cd's. Has to be a hardware issue, if it was just software people would have cracked this issue a long time ago.
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There are several articles out there, presumably covering one interview (could be multiple), where someone from Sony mentions that the systems team was looking at including audio CD capabilities through a system update. Obviously that never happened, but it sounded like that was their intent from the beginning, to maybe include it through an update.
if it was just an update, why not just jailbreak the ps4 mod it and make it work
I haven't seen an audio cd app to play them on the ps4
if it was just an official update in wich it might eventually work you might expect it to doable to just crack the system and play music cd's on a ps2 when they haven't released it just yet, yet this isn't the case.
Still why would it need to be an official update doesnt make any sense if it's not implemented from the get go.
It's a two fold software issue. The OS has to tell the reader to process the data, this is where the licensing from Philips or whomever comes into play. Philips doesn't require licensing to use a 780nm wavelength laser, they require licensing to process data from their owned medium. On the other side, there has to be software to do something with the data that is read, that is, needing an app to play music read from a CD. I would venture to guess the reason no one has done it is because if you were to illegally add the ability to read CDs without someone paying Philips you're opening yourself to lawsuit, but that's really me guessing on that one. I honestly have 0 knowledge of the PS4 modding scene, so I really couldn't say why it doesn't exist or if it doesn't exist.
modding and jailbreaking if you tell that your doing it is also a law suit. The reason why most mod their console is to pirate newly released games.
lawsuits are not the issue here modding in general is lawsuit material but they are not going to go after you since it's way to much effort to find people, people are pirating and modding their consoles today and years ago, however no apps to play music cd's. Has to be a hardware issue, if it was just software people would have cracked this issue a long time ago.
Stealing illegally distributed software (like games) is illegal. Modding your system is not.
A case came up in court where someone took Microsoft to court over voiding their Xbox's warranty because the seal had been broken (the seal that shows you opened up your console). The judge took the person's side over Microsoft's saying that once you purchase property, that property is yours do with what you want. That then sets the precedence that if you're allowed to open up your console to with what you want, then you're allowed to mod it.
"The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act (1975) forbids these types of policies, as well as the warranty-void-if-removed security stickers that are placed over screws or seams in video game consoles."
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There are several articles out there, presumably covering one interview (could be multiple), where someone from Sony mentions that the systems team was looking at including audio CD capabilities through a system update. Obviously that never happened, but it sounded like that was their intent from the beginning, to maybe include it through an update.
if it was just an update, why not just jailbreak the ps4 mod it and make it work
I haven't seen an audio cd app to play them on the ps4
if it was just an official update in wich it might eventually work you might expect it to doable to just crack the system and play music cd's on a ps2 when they haven't released it just yet, yet this isn't the case.
Still why would it need to be an official update doesnt make any sense if it's not implemented from the get go.
It's a two fold software issue. The OS has to tell the reader to process the data, this is where the licensing from Philips or whomever comes into play. Philips doesn't require licensing to use a 780nm wavelength laser, they require licensing to process data from their owned medium. On the other side, there has to be software to do something with the data that is read, that is, needing an app to play music read from a CD. I would venture to guess the reason no one has done it is because if you were to illegally add the ability to read CDs without someone paying Philips you're opening yourself to lawsuit, but that's really me guessing on that one. I honestly have 0 knowledge of the PS4 modding scene, so I really couldn't say why it doesn't exist or if it doesn't exist.
modding and jailbreaking is also a law suit material. The reason why most mod their console is to pirate newly released games for free.
lawsuits are not the issue here modding in general is lawsuit material but they are not going to go after you since it's way to much effort to find people, people are pirating and modding their consoles today and years ago, however no apps to play music cd's. Has to be a hardware issue, if it was just software people would have cracked this issue a long time ago.
Just because someone hasn't done it doesn't mean it can't be done. If you wanna find a post from one of the CFW makers who have stated it couldn't be done with some semblance of reasoning why it can't be done other than "I don't know how", I'll cede the point, otherwise your statement is conjecture.
Like I said, I don't know anything about the ps4 modding scene. It's not just some homebrew maker, the people who develop the CFW for the jailbroken PS4 would need to code in the ability to read CDs, it's not a trivial thing and it's possible they just never bothered to try, I don't think it's a highly requested feature.
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There are several articles out there, presumably covering one interview (could be multiple), where someone from Sony mentions that the systems team was looking at including audio CD capabilities through a system update. Obviously that never happened, but it sounded like that was their intent from the beginning, to maybe include it through an update.
if it was just an update, why not just jailbreak the ps4 mod it and make it work
I haven't seen an audio cd app to play them on the ps4
if it was just an official update in wich it might eventually work you might expect it to doable to just crack the system and play music cd's on a ps2 when they haven't released it just yet, yet this isn't the case.
Still why would it need to be an official update doesnt make any sense if it's not implemented from the get go.
It's a two fold software issue. The OS has to tell the reader to process the data, this is where the licensing from Philips or whomever comes into play. Philips doesn't require licensing to use a 780nm wavelength laser, they require licensing to process data from their owned medium. On the other side, there has to be software to do something with the data that is read, that is, needing an app to play music read from a CD. I would venture to guess the reason no one has done it is because if you were to illegally add the ability to read CDs without someone paying Philips you're opening yourself to lawsuit, but that's really me guessing on that one. I honestly have 0 knowledge of the PS4 modding scene, so I really couldn't say why it doesn't exist or if it doesn't exist.
From what I've read during release there was apparently backlash for ps4 not being able to play audio cd's
and that they promised to get it later on with an update
https://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/sony-remembers-ps4-will-play-cds-and-mp3s-after-update-1199081
we are however 7 years later, no update and no one in the modding scene for it to happen
If I really had to guess sony probably just hoped that people would forget because the hardware to read cd's might have been removed in wich even an update doesnt make it possible to make a ps4 console read cd's again
If the hardware is missing no matter what you do,no amount of modding skills will be able to get that function back unless you actually go out of your way to just add some tech to the actual hardware. or maybe the usb update with mediaplayer for other sources was it's replacement update, since there is no way for them to make cd's work again by a software update alone.
People have been complaining since release, and you can do some crazy stuff with mods. I'm not deconfirming anything but I'd say the possibilty that the ps4 has hardware to actually play music cd's is very low. don't underestimate the modding scene if it really was just a software issue, the protection against using music cd's would have been cracked years ago let alone that sony for some reason just quitly walked away from it's promise to give people music cd's by update after the backlash wich probably was just impossible if I had to guess.
Maybe it's possible but I highly doubt that. Modding and jailbreaking a console doesn't matter for sony of philips, the consumer is at risk here if they they win the lottery and find you, but that's pretty much the modding jailbreak scene as a whole, it's personal usage wich people don't find anyway aside from the sources where people get the software or roms.
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Guys it's not worth the trouble of modding your device to play CD's or jail-breaking it, just buy a PC or Laptop or perhaps a stereo, Walmart sells these (white and red) audio cords and audio barrels to plug your PC or Laptop, phone, Ipod, MP3 Play into a compatible stereo.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-5mm-RCA-Audio-Cable-15-Feet-Bi-Directional-Male-Nickel-Plated-Connector-AUX-Auxiliary-Headphone-Jack-Plug-Y-Adapter-Splitter-Converter-Left-Right-S/128632215
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Guys it's not worth the trouble of modding your device to play CD's or jail-breaking it, just buy a PC or Laptop or perhaps a stereo, Walmart sells these (white and red) audio cords and audio barrels to plug your PC or Laptop, phone, Ipod, MP3 Play into a compatible stereo.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-5mm-RCA-Audio-Cable-15-Feet-Bi-Directional-Male-Nickel-Plated-Connector-AUX-Auxiliary-Headphone-Jack-Plug-Y-Adapter-Splitter-Converter-Left-Right-S/128632215
it isn't even possible with modding atm that's the thing here. this isn't just a software problem. it would have been cracked years ago, they've just removed some hardware it's most likely not even possible by modding or official updates.
if your playing on your ps4 a seperate stereo + stand alone cd player would have been used in the first place, you could not play any games if you use it as a cd player unless it was maybe a digital download.
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Guys it's not worth the trouble of modding your device to play CD's or jail-breaking it, just buy a PC or Laptop or perhaps a stereo, Walmart sells these (white and red) audio cords and audio barrels to plug your PC or Laptop, phone, Ipod, MP3 Play into a compatible stereo.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-5mm-RCA-Audio-Cable-15-Feet-Bi-Directional-Male-Nickel-Plated-Connector-AUX-Auxiliary-Headphone-Jack-Plug-Y-Adapter-Splitter-Converter-Left-Right-S/128632215
Huh uh, no way. I can't imagine how MP3s sounds through a real stereo system. On your phone or cheap boom box or something, whatever, you won't tell the difference, much. But on a full stereo system, you want a good, clean sounding CD or record.
Though I'm not saying I'm gonna mod my system for CD playback, either, it's not that important to me.
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Guys it's not worth the trouble of modding your device to play CD's or jail-breaking it, just buy a PC or Laptop or perhaps a stereo, Walmart sells these (white and red) audio cords and audio barrels to plug your PC or Laptop, phone, Ipod, MP3 Play into a compatible stereo.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-5mm-RCA-Audio-Cable-15-Feet-Bi-Directional-Male-Nickel-Plated-Connector-AUX-Auxiliary-Headphone-Jack-Plug-Y-Adapter-Splitter-Converter-Left-Right-S/128632215
Huh uh, no way. I can't imagine how MP3s sounds through a real stereo system. On your phone or cheap boom box or something, whatever, you won't tell the difference, much. But on a full stereo system, you want a good, clean sounding CD or record.
Though I'm not saying I'm gonna mod my system for CD playback, either, it's not that important to me.
in wich you usually use a quality standalone cd player not a console. If your still using music cd's in this day 9/10 times you have a quality cd player. music cd's are pricy and mostly for the more hardcore audience atm.
also again modding to make music cd's work on a ps4 isnt even possible atm
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Guys it's not worth the trouble of modding your device to play CD's or jail-breaking it, just buy a PC or Laptop or perhaps a stereo, Walmart sells these (white and red) audio cords and audio barrels to plug your PC or Laptop, phone, Ipod, MP3 Play into a compatible stereo.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-5mm-RCA-Audio-Cable-15-Feet-Bi-Directional-Male-Nickel-Plated-Connector-AUX-Auxiliary-Headphone-Jack-Plug-Y-Adapter-Splitter-Converter-Left-Right-S/128632215
Huh uh, no way. I can't imagine how MP3s sounds through a real stereo system. On your phone or cheap boom box or something, whatever, you won't tell the difference, much. But on a full stereo system, you want a good, clean sounding CD or record.
Though I'm not saying I'm gonna mod my system for CD playback, either, it's not that important to me.
With a PC or a laptop you can set up a music CD to record with lossless sound that mean uncompressed audio, My stereo also has an equalizer it sounds great as long as you have the cord plugged into a powered set of speakers and not directly into the PC or Laptop itself, also
I used to have a tiny MP3 player plugged into a large stereo before and it sounded great and it was compressed audio.
but it all depends on what kind you have :(
(edit) I forgot that I have not used a portable device in years, but my old cheap $20 MP3 player sounded great, but I don't even know if windows OS or Itunes will even detect a portable new device in order to put music on a portable device anymore
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Guys it's not worth the trouble of modding your device to play CD's or jail-breaking it, just buy a PC or Laptop or perhaps a stereo, Walmart sells these (white and red) audio cords and audio barrels to plug your PC or Laptop, phone, Ipod, MP3 Play into a compatible stereo.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-5mm-RCA-Audio-Cable-15-Feet-Bi-Directional-Male-Nickel-Plated-Connector-AUX-Auxiliary-Headphone-Jack-Plug-Y-Adapter-Splitter-Converter-Left-Right-S/128632215
Huh uh, no way. I can't imagine how MP3s sounds through a real stereo system. On your phone or cheap boom box or something, whatever, you won't tell the difference, much. But on a full stereo system, you want a good, clean sounding CD or record.
Though I'm not saying I'm gonna mod my system for CD playback, either, it's not that important to me.
With a PC you can set up a music CD to record with lossless sound that mean uncompressed audio, My stereo also has an equalizer it sounds great as long as you have the cord plugged into a powered set of speakers and not directly into the PC or Laptop itself, also
I used to have a tiny MP3 player plugged into a large stereo before and it sounded great and it was compressed audio.
but it all depends on what kind you have :(
you can literally download pretty much all music within seconds why bother to use a music cd if your going that route, that's a waste of time with very few exceptions in wich you can't find it
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Guys it's not worth the trouble of modding your device to play CD's or jail-breaking it, just buy a PC or Laptop or perhaps a stereo, Walmart sells these (white and red) audio cords and audio barrels to plug your PC or Laptop, phone, Ipod, MP3 Play into a compatible stereo.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-5mm-RCA-Audio-Cable-15-Feet-Bi-Directional-Male-Nickel-Plated-Connector-AUX-Auxiliary-Headphone-Jack-Plug-Y-Adapter-Splitter-Converter-Left-Right-S/128632215
Huh uh, no way. I can't imagine how MP3s sounds through a real stereo system. On your phone or cheap boom box or something, whatever, you won't tell the difference, much. But on a full stereo system, you want a good, clean sounding CD or record.
Though I'm not saying I'm gonna mod my system for CD playback, either, it's not that important to me.
With a PC you can set up a music CD to record with lossless sound that mean uncompressed audio, My stereo also has an equalizer it sounds great as long as you have the cord plugged into a powered set of speakers and not directly into the PC or Laptop itself, also
I used to have a tiny MP3 player plugged into a large stereo before and it sounded great and it was compressed audio.
but it all depends on what kind you have :(
you can literally download pretty much all music within seconds why bother to use a music cd if your going that route, that's a waste of time with very few exceptions in wich you can't find it
For quality sounding music.
It's amazing how this is such a foreign concept to this group. You guys are all for physical media when it comes to video games. Many of you won't even log digital games in your collections on this site.
Yet somehow me still buying CDs is crazy to you guys.
Why bother with physical CDs when you can just download music? Well, why bother with physical games when you can just download them? At least with CDs, there's a technical reason: The sound quality. A CD (or a record) always sounds better than a compressed MP3. There's also the fact that you own it to do whatever with. You can sell it, trade, copy it, display it, whatever. And just like a game, having the album artwork and booklet is important to collectors.
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Guys it's not worth the trouble of modding your device to play CD's or jail-breaking it, just buy a PC or Laptop or perhaps a stereo, Walmart sells these (white and red) audio cords and audio barrels to plug your PC or Laptop, phone, Ipod, MP3 Play into a compatible stereo.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-5mm-RCA-Audio-Cable-15-Feet-Bi-Directional-Male-Nickel-Plated-Connector-AUX-Auxiliary-Headphone-Jack-Plug-Y-Adapter-Splitter-Converter-Left-Right-S/128632215
Huh uh, no way. I can't imagine how MP3s sounds through a real stereo system. On your phone or cheap boom box or something, whatever, you won't tell the difference, much. But on a full stereo system, you want a good, clean sounding CD or record.
Though I'm not saying I'm gonna mod my system for CD playback, either, it's not that important to me.
With a PC you can set up a music CD to record with lossless sound that mean uncompressed audio, My stereo also has an equalizer it sounds great as long as you have the cord plugged into a powered set of speakers and not directly into the PC or Laptop itself, also
I used to have a tiny MP3 player plugged into a large stereo before and it sounded great and it was compressed audio.
but it all depends on what kind you have :(
you can literally download pretty much all music within seconds why bother to use a music cd if your going that route, that's a waste of time with very few exceptions in wich you can't find it
For quality sounding music.
It's amazing how this is such a foreign concept to this group. You guys are all for physical media when it comes to video games. Many of you won't even log digital games in your collections on this site.
Yet somehow me still buying CDs is crazy to you guys.
Why bother with physical CDs when you can just download music? Well, why bother with physical games when you can just download them? At least with CDs, there's a technical reason: The sound quality. A CD (or a record) always sounds better than a compressed MP3. There's also the fact that you own it to do whatever with. You can sell it, trade, copy it, display it, whatever. And just like a game, having the album artwork and booklet is important to collectors.
if you are going to copy it off an original music cd to another format quality will get lost anyway in wich a download is a way better option while saving tons of time.
eitherway if you wanted to use a music cd for quality you'd probably use a quality cd player instead of a console. so there are two sides of the coin here. if you really would care about sound quality using a console as a cd player would have been a no go from the very start.
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Why would playing it on a console matter with the sound quality?
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Why would playing it on a console matter with the sound quality?
the chips and the laser and such, the hardware and the software, I think we can all agree PS4 is only made for video games and maybe blu-ray movies. it's unfortunate, but with the know
how anything is possible I guess
I've been ripping and playing CD quality, music on a computer for years and sometimes it's amazing what enhancements some software can have with the quality of music, but the chips and hardware also play a role in it.
I once had power cord, external 3D stereo speakers plugged into a hardware sound card chip. installed onto an HP motherboard running windows XP. Then I made my own custom equalizer from the sound card software, and then played the ripped music with Windows Media Player in the XP days with another software equalizer combined.
Still today I can never re-due the quality of sound that the one sound card, and HP computer and 3D Speakers combine could ever do
I would ask someone who designs technology from the ground up, maybe someone in the country of Japan would know more. :-\
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If the laser can read the disc without issues, it's fine. Playing a CD on a console is no different than a stereo.
Its the sound system and the quality of the recording that are gonna get you good sound. That and the right cables/hook-ups.
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burningdoom if you do record audio CD's on a PC or laptop, make sure you use the original recordings. and not a burned copy, and to use ALAC Lossless or another Lossless format, take note the music CD recordings with lossless format take more data,
by default all ripping software compresses the CD unless you go into the Rip settings and change your setting to something like ALAC or other type of lossless quality,
for others who do not know downloading anything in MP3 format lowers the audio quality
CD's should have better quality then most downloaded music does and Vinyl is supposed to have the best audio quality.
Note that once a CD or audio file/song has been recorded in MP3 or any compressed format, for example you cannot, increase the quality by converting the format. From any compressed format, into lossless ALAC or other. that will only increase the audio file's size
If you already have MP3 or another kind of compressed audio you need to re-record all or buy a original CD and record your music with lossless setting on. to get the full benefit of sound. From all your audio recording,
Also helps having a good stereo system, audio cables, plug in speakers that are stereo (not mono) and or stereo headphones, or stereo earbuds. like you just stated, I wish you the best of luck :-\
All stereo devices have 2 stripes on the silver end of the plug of any and all headphones or speaker sound jacks, also note if you plug a headphone into a mono speaker it won't be even in stereo sound.
Also remember the the in my experience all headphones/ and speakers improve their sound over time
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Alright. That is a detailed explanation. But I didn't say anything about burning or ripping CDs.
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If the laser can read the disc without issues, it's fine. Playing a CD on a console is no different than a stereo.
Its the sound system and the quality of the recording that are gonna get you good sound. That and the right cables/hook-ups.
Sure let's just ignore that the harcore people spend crazy amounts on some of the vintage high end cd players. why not get a cheap or medium value one same results right?
like:
Sony CDP-X777ES / Year: 1991.
Pioneer PD-95 / Year: 1992.
where talking several hundred to over 1000 $ here
no speakers just a cd player.
totally has zero effect after all ;D
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If the laser can read the disc without issues, it's fine. Playing a CD on a console is no different than a stereo.
Its the sound system and the quality of the recording that are gonna get you good sound. That and the right cables/hook-ups.
Sure let's just ignore that the harcore people spend crazy amounts on some of the vintage high end cd players. why not get a cheap or medium value one same results right?
like:
Sony CDP-X777ES / Year: 1991.
Pioneer PD-95 / Year: 1992.
where talking several hundred to over 1000 $ here
no speakers just a cd player.
totally has zero effect after all ;D
I would never buy those old vintage CD player because of the following ::)
yea those old stereo systems can have one major issue with them, the shuffle belt is known to rot and stop them old 1990's era audio equipment after less than 10 years of age, I got 1 of them in my house, and it's junk,
The only reason why I even still have another mid 1990's stereo (with same issue) that my mom gave me. Is because it actually has red and white audio jacks and an Aux/Imput button for hooking just about anything to it, including a game console, but you need this cord for a PC and maybe some audio barrels and a 2 ended White and Red audio cable for use with a PS1 PS2 PS3 :)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-5mm-RCA-Audio-Cable-15-Feet-Bi-Directional-Male-Nickel-Plated-Connector-AUX-Auxiliary-Headphone-Jack-Plug-Y-Adapter-Splitter-Converter-Left-Right-S/128632215
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If the laser can read the disc without issues, it's fine. Playing a CD on a console is no different than a stereo.
Its the sound system and the quality of the recording that are gonna get you good sound. That and the right cables/hook-ups.
Sure let's just ignore that the harcore people spend crazy amounts on some of the vintage high end cd players. why not get a cheap or medium value one same results right?
like:
Sony CDP-X777ES / Year: 1991.
Pioneer PD-95 / Year: 1992.
where talking several hundred to over 1000 $ here
no speakers just a cd player.
totally has zero effect after all ;D
I would never buy those old vintage CD player because of the following ::)
yea those old stereo systems can have one major issue with them, the shuffle belt is known to rot and stop them old 1990's era audio equipment after less than 10 years of age, I got 1 of them in my house, and it's junk,
The only reason why I even still have another mid 1990's stereo (with same issue) that my mom gave me. Is because it actually has red and white audio jacks and an Aux/Imput button for hooking just about anything to it, including a game console, but you need this cord for a PC and maybe some audio barrels and a 2 ended White and Red audio cable for use with a PS1 PS2 PS3 :)
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these where high end back in the day, they are really durable. that's not the issue here. quality and they last.
your faults mostly apply for cheap to medium cd players wich are worthless and dirt cheap today. most people could not even afford to get these back in the day.
Same for those pricy crt tv's bvm's they where made for proffesionals the best tv's weren't even used by consumers to last way more hours than the average tv, these tv's where made to stay on for full 24 hour days.
also all your talk about ripping and burning a cd, your literally wasting tons of time while you could have downloaded it online within seconds.
the quality will be worse or equal compared to the stuff that's already online. How do you think most music got online in the first place ::)
if you want extra work than by all means be my guest and burn your original cd's, I don't see the gain personally your literally doing the same or worse of what has been done to the music that is online today.
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I ripped but never burned an audio CD in years. It took me a long time to rip them but I did it and it's well worth the wait, for how much joy music brings me in life.
Just like some of you guys like HD games and best quality graphics that is how I feel about my audio quality, when it comes to CD's and music.
the difference is mainly in the bass department, lower quality recordings often are more tint sounding and have more treble, and high pitched symbols, then better quality if lets say your listening to some metal pop or rock music
it's not noticeable for the most part but if you heard the difference and listen to music like I did in pretty much all media file formats.
(edit) I want to add the PlayStation 3 does not have a lossless option as far as I can see.
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I ripped but never burned an audio CD in years. It took me a long time to rip them but I did it and it's well worth the wait, for how much joy music brings me in life.
Just like some of you guys like HD games and best quality graphics that is how I feel about my audio quality, when it comes to CD's and music.
the difference is mainly in the bass department, lower quality recordings often are more tint sounding and have more treble, and high pitched symbols, then better quality if lets say your listening to some metal pop or rock music
it's not noticeable for the most part but if you heard the difference and listen to music like I did in pretty much all media file formats.
(edit) I want to add the PlayStation 3 does not have a lossless option as far as I can see.
allot of online downloads are also from ripped discs
so the quality should be identical to better than doing it yourselves.
also online music isn't just streaming also tons of locations for quality downloads.
physical cd's are slighty better, but if you rip a disc, it's going to be equal or worse than the good options for online downloads.
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If the laser can read the disc without issues, it's fine. Playing a CD on a console is no different than a stereo.
Its the sound system and the quality of the recording that are gonna get you good sound. That and the right cables/hook-ups.
Sure let's just ignore that the harcore people spend crazy amounts on some of the vintage high end cd players. why not get a cheap or medium value one same results right?
like:
Sony CDP-X777ES / Year: 1991.
Pioneer PD-95 / Year: 1992.
where talking several hundred to over 1000 $ here
no speakers just a cd player.
totally has zero effect after all ;D
You're paying for build-quality and longevity when it comes to a standalone CD-player. A good Sony CD-player vs. knock-off is gonna last you for a good long while and it's not going to be as prone to skipping. All the CD-reader part is doing is reading the information and sending it to your system which then deals with the actual sound.
The sound quality comes from you system (like the equalizer part where everything goes through), your speakers, the audio cables, and quality of the original recording. But most CD players are built into systems, nowadays. So I guess it does matter which one you get in that case. You don't see those big stacks so much like you used to.
Point being, as long as you have a good sound system it's going through, playing an audio CD on your PS4 doesn't affect the sound-quality. I mean, if you're just playing it through your T.V. speakers, that's a different story.
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If the laser can read the disc without issues, it's fine. Playing a CD on a console is no different than a stereo.
Its the sound system and the quality of the recording that are gonna get you good sound. That and the right cables/hook-ups.
Sure let's just ignore that the harcore people spend crazy amounts on some of the vintage high end cd players. why not get a cheap or medium value one same results right?
like:
Sony CDP-X777ES / Year: 1991.
Pioneer PD-95 / Year: 1992.
where talking several hundred to over 1000 $ here
no speakers just a cd player.
totally has zero effect after all ;D
You're paying for build-quality and longevity when it comes to a standalone CD-player. A good Sony CD-player vs. knock-off is gonna last you for a good long while and it's not going to be as prone to skipping. All the CD-reader part is doing is reading the information and sending it to your system which then deals with the actual sound.
The sound quality comes from you system (like the equalizer part where everything goes through), your speakers, the audio cables, and quality of the original recording. But most CD players are built into systems, nowadays. So I guess it does matter which one you get in that case. You don't see those big stacks so much like you used to.
Point being, as long as you have a good sound system it's going through, playing an audio CD on your PS4 doesn't affect the sound-quality. I mean, if you're just playing it through your T.V. speakers, that's a different story.
according to the reviews of these sought after vintage cd players it will sound a bit different, a bit warmer than most cd players. eitherway only noticable for the super hardcore I'd say, you'll proably have an easier time with a modern 100$ + cd player most will probably not spot the difference.
so again it does affect sound especially for the people that are willing to spend. it wouldn't be that sought after if all if it would sound the same a a decent quality modern cd player after all. why would you go through the hassle for just build quality, decent priced modern cd players have that aswell.
obviously it's going to be good enough with a medium cd player and speakers but if your going for perfection there is a pretty hardcore community out there that will claim that it does actually sound different and has the money spend. It's not just build quality your better off getting a modern system if that truly was the case.
let alone why not get a high end modern setup instead. wich probably again would have better sound quality than modern medium cd players. aside from the costs wich are sometimes even higher or allot higher than most high end modern variants allot of the better models aren't that easy to find either, let alone no warranty since 2nd hand market. Quite allot of barriers for the same experience in sound you'd be an idiot if that really where the case I'd say ::)
Another example for sound is the cables, while most would claim that 50ish to 100$ is enough for the best quality, you have people who are willing to spend 1000$ on certain cables. and in that scenario the difference is even smaller. a 900$ difference in wich even among the hardcore there are people who cannot spot the difference. so pretty hard to prove if the super high end cables actually have better sound compared to good quality cables of 50 to 100$. after a certain barrier the improvements become smaller and smaller.
Perfection has it's price your paying the most for the cherry on top wich only the most hardcore might appreciate.
I don't get how your denying that the quality of a cd player doesnt affect the sound at all.
Sure speakers and cables are part of it, however the cd player alone also does have an impact on the sound quality.
A low end, medium to high end system will all have a difference in sound. the higher you go, the quality usually goes up. You'll get what you pay for.
eitherway for people who are hardcore in cd's your probably not going to use a console, your going to be using an at least decent quality cd player. for the people that still use cd's it's not really a loss it's probably not going to be that great in the sound department or maybe just comparable to a medium cd player.
Certain ps1 models back in the day where the exception being comparable to pretty good cd players. however those early ps1 models at the time where ridiculously expensive, and later on those audio options where removed.
Still even if you look up in google for current cd players you will have a top 10 of the best sounding cd players of 2020 for consumers.
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Ok, lets say your right and it makes all the difference. Wouldn't a PS4 be a Sony product, anyways?
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Ok, lets say your right and it makes all the difference. Wouldn't a PS4 be a Sony product, anyways?
yes, it is however just a side feature. It might not even beat a mid range dedicated cd player for the people who care about sound quality of their physical cd's in this era.
Not to mention that you can't even play games if you are going to use it as a cd player. so if you want to listen music while playing games you will need a stand alone cd player unless where talking digital games.
At the end of the day, what I mean is, the casuals don't give a damm about music cd's in this era, and the majority of the people who do care about that extra bit of quality, that group might not even use a ps4 since the quality would probably be less than even a mid ranged setup.
If where looking at sony's track record, There was only 1 era in wich a sony console did beat a mid range quality cd player. first model ps1. later ps1 models, ps2 and ps3 where pretty trash as a cd player, it's good enough for the people who just want to play them old cd's, but hardcore users where not impressed. I don't think ps4 would have repeated the first model ps1 scenario again. There was a shot but I highly doubt it
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Personally, I would think Sound quality would be a major feature of an entertainment system.
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If where looking at sony's track record, There was only 1 era in wich a sony console did beat a mid range quality cd player. first model ps1. later ps1 models, ps2 and ps3 where pretty trash as a cd player, it's good enough for the people who just want to play them old cd's, but hardcore users where not impressed. I don't think ps4 would have repeated the first model ps1 scenario again. There was a shot but I highly doubt it
The reason that PS1 model does sound well is the hook-ups. It has actual RCA A/V hook-ups that use the real audio cables (like I said, audio cables matter). Whereas the other PS1 models don't have that, they just have the multi-out that their proprietary cable hooks up to. And it's way cheaper than a high-end CD-player that has the same capability.
The PS3 used an HDMI cable, so you didn't have to worry about that. HDMI will bring you high-quality audio. As will the component cables (as long as they aren't cheap cables). Don't know where you heard the PS3 sounds bad, it's known for having fantastic audio capabilities; fantastic multimedia capabilities in general. It was great multimedia machine with the Sony Blu-Ray playback build into it.
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If where looking at sony's track record, There was only 1 era in wich a sony console did beat a mid range quality cd player. first model ps1. later ps1 models, ps2 and ps3 where pretty trash as a cd player, it's good enough for the people who just want to play them old cd's, but hardcore users where not impressed. I don't think ps4 would have repeated the first model ps1 scenario again. There was a shot but I highly doubt it
The reason that PS1 model does sound well is the hook-ups. It has actual RCA A/V hook-ups that use the real audio cables (like I said, audio cables matter). Whereas the other PS1 models don't have that, they just have the multi-out that their proprietary cable hooks up to. And it's way cheaper than a high-end CD-player that has the same capability.
The PS3 used an HDMI cable, so you didn't have to worry about that. HDMI will bring you high-quality audio. As will the component cables (as long as they aren't cheap cables). Don't know where you heard the PS3 sounds bad, it's known for having fantastic audio capabilities; fantastic multimedia capabilities in general. It was great multimedia machine with the Sony Blu-Ray playback build into it.
it's pretty mixed from what I've read online for the ps3, I wouldn't say it's the same situation as the first model ps1 by a longshot. sure it's a decent cd player but probably if you don't care about sound quality to much and just want to play some old cd's
eitherway, I already mentioned that cables also have an effect, never denied that. There are multiple parts that have an effect on the sound quality.
Also I am aware of the hookups I own 2 of them heck I'm pretty sure 99% of ps1 collectors would check the backside for each ps1 console that comes in.
Also it isn't just that the console has RCA A/V hook-ups, The thing is that it's insides are of high quality, every ps1 console could have been a great cd player however all except for that 1 version lack the hookups. if the ps1 was a trash cd player the cables would have less of an impact and the first model ps1 would not have been a suitable replacement as a vintage cd player. so again the cd player itself does make a difference otherwise people would be going after different cd players if this doesnt make a difference. any standalone cd player has the hook ups. especially atm you would otherwise not go after that particular model ps1 if your not going to use it for games.
especially back in the day people would get the ps1 instead since it beat out pretty nice cd players. why go after a ps1 or high end cd player if the sound isnt affected. a decent mid range cd player is pretty durable aswell. wich is easier to find and to hook up quality cables. Makes no sense if just the cables and speakers influence the sound quality. Why would you go through the effort to find and pay more than a low to medium end cd player if it won't affect the sound anyway. There are plenty of cheaper easy options if you just need a durable cd player.
also I quote on multiple ps1 articles again why do you deny that a cd player doesnt affect the sound quality at all. It's like literally one of the main reason why people go for certain vintage models or high end cd players period.
This is so well known amongst audiophiles that there there's a thriving market for a very specific kind of early PS1 that, due to the hardware it was made with, produces better quality sound than the best CD players on the market
If it was just the cables and speakers why the fuck does the cd player itself matter, why not go low or mid range why spend that much effort and money?
your pretty ignorant I'd say. It's pretty obvious that a cd player does affect the sound quality, tons of people talk about it the main thing of discussion when talking about higher end cd players, literally one of the main selling points for a high end system. If you just wanted durability you would have been fine with a mid range cd player. Like seriously. ::)
That being said while the ps1 is good, certain vintage cd players apparently have better sound than the ps1 console since otherwise the ps1 would have downgraded those prices big time wich hasn't happened. It's an above average vintage cd player for a fair price a pretty good deal if you don't want to spend to much. instead of going all out while spending multiple hundreds to sometimes over 1000$. That being said I'm not to sure if it's better than cd players at a simular or slightly higher price point if where talking vintage quality cd players. Like say of the luxman or marrantz brand.
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Ok, this is my understanding of how it works:
A cd-player reads the information on the disc and sends it to the receiver that processes and outputs the sound to the speakers. Audio tech 101.
When I say the build quality matters on a CD player, and that it's less prone to skipping, this is what I mean exactly: A cd has bumps that are more apparant as the cd spins. Cheaper CD players will be more prone to skipping over sections of those bumps. A higher quality laser is more precise, and able to read the data without skipping. There's also this thing built into audio players called error-protection. Its a system that tries to cover up those pits in the data when a cheap or dying laser encounters them. That error-protection can drop some of the quality.
Those high-end, focused lasers also requires a better quality build to function at that level for a longtime. That is exactly why you pay more for a high-end CD player. (And for various hook-ups and extra technical settings for audio geeks.) It's all about how well they read that data and last doing it.
Now you get into DACs and that's a whole new discussion. Some guys swear by it and spend a bit of dough on them, other guys swear they can't hear the difference.
The PS1 has that quality Sony build, has the RCA hook-ups which makes it versatile to hook-up to various sound systems with high-quality output that other PS1 models cannot without modding, and the biggest draw is that it's at a fraction of the cost of other dedicated players of the same quality.
Now, to the original point, these are Sony systems. They are not cheap drives. There's no reason why a PS4 would have a cheap drive and be skipping data, or your games would suck, too. If you have a Sony console, hooked into a good stereo system, with good cables, you will get good sound. It will sound just as good as your stereo system and speakers are capable of. Unless your laser was going out or damaged.
BTW, I have to wonder...why are you on such a crusade about this anyways? Why does the way I collect or listen to music matter so much to you? I mean even if I listened to cassette tapes on a Fisher price tape player, that's my choice, right? You arguing until your blue in the face isn't going to convince me to stop using CDs and start loving MP3s.
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BTW, I have to wonder...why are you on such a crusade about this anyways? Why does the way I collect or listen to music matter so much to you? I mean even if I listened to cassette tapes on a Fisher price tape player, that's my choice, right? You arguing until your blue in the face isn't going to convince me to stop using CDs and start loving MP3s.
It's the internet people will look for anything and everything to bitch about.
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BTW, I have to wonder...why are you on such a crusade about this anyways? Why does the way I collect or listen to music matter so much to you? I mean even if I listened to cassette tapes on a Fisher price tape player, that's my choice, right? You arguing until your blue in the face isn't going to convince me to stop using CDs and start loving MP3s.
I never tried, to argue you to move on to downloads. the discussion was just about hardware and why sony lacked the cd function.
Also the reason why I started about downloads, is because most people on this forum didnt even notice cd's where unusable on the ps4. the console is 7 years old by now and multiple people including you haven't even once inserted a cd in the ps4. Why the dissapointment if you just figured this out after 7 years and never once inserted a cd in your ps4? seems to me like you where pleased to play cd's on other devices these past 3 to 7 years
My point is
The majority of the audience just used downloads and other sources (main interest of sony), and people like you, just played cd's on other devices wich are not ps4 for 3- 7 years withouth noticing it. I'd say sony made the correct choice to save some money and that the ps4 actually lack the tech to play music cd's. not a single update that could potentially make the console be able to play cd's again. and the cd feature was highly requested during release, the backlash was big enough in wich sony was shocked and announced that they would make it happen in a future update.
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Holy thread hijack, Batman!
Literally these two...
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1. I just discovered it because as I explained I just moved the PS4 into the living room to replace the blu-ray player and it's now hooked into the sound system.
2. I didn't move on to anything. The original post literally quoted me from another post talking about CDs on PS4.
3.you can literally download pretty much all music within seconds why bother to use a music cd if your going that route, that's a waste of time with very few exceptions in wich you can't find it
Which then turned into a huge argument of me defending why I still buy CDs and you trying to convince me playing them on a console is pointless, and I need high-end audiophile equipment if I was going to do that anyways....right? Did I get lost on the way, or what?
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1. I just discovered it because as I explained I just moved the PS4 into the living room to replace the blu-ray player and it's now hooked into the sound system.
2. I didn't move on to anything. The original post literally quoted me from another post talking about CDs on PS4.
3.you can literally download pretty much all music within seconds why bother to use a music cd if your going that route, that's a waste of time with very few exceptions in wich you can't find it
Which then turned into a huge argument of me defending why I still buy CDs and you trying to convince me playing them on a console is pointless, and I need high-end audiophile equipment if I was going to do that anyways....right? Did I get lost on the way, or what?
You definitely lost your way,
The only reason why I brought up high end is because of our discussion that whatever cd player you use, according to your arguments sound won't be different low medium or high end it will all sound the exact same, cables and speakers are where it's at, in wich i replied your logic is flawed. Even a mid range cd player would surpass a sony console in terms of sound or at the very least what most people would use instead of a sony console if your still playing physical cd's in this day and age.
I never recommended high end stuff was just for the argument, that's only for the really hardcore if the small differences are worth it to you. Just saying that most cd users use a dedicated cd player usually medium range to play their cd's in this era and not their consoles. I never recommended any cd player low to high end, it was all for the argument in wich you said that the sound would always be the same regardless of the quality of the cd player.
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Right here.
eitherway if you wanted to use a music cd for quality you'd probably use a quality cd player instead of a console. so there are two sides of the coin here. if you really would care about sound quality using a console as a cd player would have been a no go from the very start.
Then I went on to say the speakers, recever, and cables matter for sound becase a CD player is just a reader. A Sony one that isn't going to have the skipping or dying problems that others do. But that argument is a moot point going nowhere with us, I don't know why I was trying to defend my music practices so hard, should have just whatevered it.
To sum up my stance: I play CDs. I don't play MP3s. I prefer physical media in all areas. I play them through my sound system in the living that my PS4 is now hooked up to when it wasn't before because i had a dedicated blu-ray player that died (which was also Sony, ironically). So I can no longer play CDs through that system. That sucks. And MP3s are not a solution for me. Nor is a $2000 audiophile stereo system. I wish Sony wouldn't have taken CD player functionality out, but it's not inconvenient enough to mod the system either, as others have suggested.
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Right here.
eitherway if you wanted to use a music cd for quality you'd probably use a quality cd player instead of a console. so there are two sides of the coin here. if you really would care about sound quality using a console as a cd player would have been a no go from the very start.
Then I went on to say the speakers, recever, and cables matter for sound becase a CD player is just a reader. A Sony one that isn't going to have the skipping or dying problems that others do. But that argument is a moot point going nowhere with us, I don't know why I was trying to defend my music practices so hard, should have just whatevered it.
To sum up my stance: I play CDs. I don't play MP3s. I prefer physical media in all areas. I play them through my sound system in the living that my PS4 is now hooked up to when it wasn't before because i had a dedicated blu-ray player that died (which was also Sony, ironically). So I can no longer play CDs through that system. That sucks. And MP3s are not a solution for me. Nor is a $2000 audiophile stereo system. I wish Sony wouldn't have taken CD player functionality out, but it's not inconvenient enough to mod the system either, as others have suggested.
downloads aren't only mp3,
you also have flac and wave files. Not saying that you need to move on to downloads, just saying there is more out there than just average quality mp3 downloads.
Also quality doesn't automatically mean high end cd player and thousands of $ nor was that sentence a recommendation just an example.