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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: oldgamerz on April 18, 2021, 07:08:18 pm
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With the retro games being bought up by the masses and the modern gaming industry pushing all digital, what do you think will become of VGCOllect? I think if things keep going like they are today they will be nothing left, unless some new console replaces the modern stuff. I would not mind digital only games if there was a way I could keep and play the ones I bought for as long as I want to. But that is not the case.
PC is where it is at now, I believe PC is the best value for your money in a digital only environment. Consoles are turning into crap, and I think a modern console is a waste of money. Just look at what SONY might do the the PlayStation 4, now we need to buy a PlayStation 5 to play all of our PlayStation 4 games. I think PS3 has hope, due to less restrictions, unless SONY releases an update to somehow disable the PlayStation 3 and stop it from working at all.
I keep my PS3 and my Xbox360 offline because of this thought and I think we should all turn off our WIFI on our 7th generation video game consoles.
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With the retro games being bought up by the masses and the modern gaming industry pushing all digital, what do you think will become of VGCOllect? I think if things keep going like they are today they will be nothing left, unless some new console replaces the modern stuff. I would not mind digital only games if there was a way I could keep and play the ones I bought for as long as I want to. But that is not the case.
VGCollect is explicitly not a physical only database. It is a database for individual titles and for people to track them - regardless of the platform or medium. You've made it clear that you don't utilize the site like anyone else. This site will be fine.
I keep my PS3 and my Xbox360 offline because of this thought and I think we should all turn off our WIFI on our 7th generation video game consoles.
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I am honestly surprised, that their is no company out their, you can just pay to make you a physical copy of your digital game. Were you can pay licenses w/e to have your favorite games made into physical copy, of most updated version of that game, or backups.
It would be really cool if a company did that, you buy digital games, and your favorite digital games, or when console is near becoming obsolete, you pay like $30 to get have it made into Bluray/Cartridge. You can even pay extra money to have Custom made Artwork for it.
Or if you own for example .hack//link japanese version for psp, you can have the fan translation version made into cart ridge for PSVita as a example.
I feel like we going slowly towards realm of music/movies. Were people going to pirate first before they buy the games. aka buying physical cd to support the artist/buy digital version. Or just streaming services Game Passes, like Netflix.
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With the retro games being bought up by the masses and the modern gaming industry pushing all digital, what do you think will become of VGCOllect? I think if things keep going like they are today they will be nothing left, unless some new console replaces the modern stuff. I would not mind digital only games if there was a way I could keep and play the ones I bought for as long as I want to. But that is not the case.
VGCollect is explicitly not a physical only database. It is a database for individual titles and for people to track them - regardless of the platform or medium. You've made it clear that you don't utilize the site like anyone else. This site will be fine.
I keep my PS3 and my Xbox360 offline because of this thought and I think we should all turn off our WIFI on our 7th generation video game consoles.
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If SONY ever does not remotely disable my PS3 somehow. If they do I hope to God they just die of the freking COVID 19, I don't care about them now. I have a whole collection of PS1 games I use my PS3 for and when if I somehow can't play them on my PS3 anymore I'll be pissed because I too would have purchased a whole entire collection of useless shit. And SONY is not even releasing a lot of games I got on their store front. Anyone reading this don't buy the PS5 fuck that shit >:(
The PS5 is going to play PS4 and PS5 games so soon you will not be able to use your PS4 anymore excpect maybe Bluray movies
Ps4 owners might have it rougher though even your physical games will be unplayable when that ps4 internal clock runs dry
https://in.ign.com/ps3/156762/news/ps3-drm-kills-digital-games-ps4-discs-report (https://in.ign.com/ps3/156762/news/ps3-drm-kills-digital-games-ps4-discs-report)
If I'm not mistaken ps5 has that same system. I think there will be solutions for this problem for collectors and such but for the masses who owned such consoles it will be paper weight to much of a hassle. ticking time bombs, was this done on purpose to remove people from their older consoles? because it would definitely work for majority of the consumer base and they would probably not give a flying fuck cause of newer gens and because the console was probably going to die at some point anyway :o
I hope switch and wii u don't have that many issues considering it's allot less online heavy than microsoft or sony.
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I feel like I have to be misunderstanding this. You're seriously paranoid that Microsoft and Sony are going to add updates to legacy consoles and make it so that they cant play game discs? (which arent going anywhere until brick and mortar stores die lol)
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I am honestly surprised, that their is no company out their, you can just pay to make you a physical copy of your digital game. Were you can pay licenses w/e to have your favorite games made into physical copy, of most updated version of that game, or backups.
It would be really cool if a company did that, you buy digital games, and your favorite digital games, or when console is near becoming obsolete, you pay like $30 to get have it made into Bluray/Cartridge. You can even pay extra money to have Custom made Artwork for it.
Or if you own for example .hack//link japanese version for psp, you can have the fan translation version made into cart ridge for PSVita as a example.
I feel like we going slowly towards realm of music/movies. Were people going to pirate first before they buy the games. aka buying physical cd to support the artist/buy digital version. Or just streaming services Game Passes, like Netflix.
1: no optical media drives in a lot of newer consoles and even PC's from what I heard
2: thank god they still make music CD's Microsoft let's you put them legally on PC, as long you don't sell them
3. good thing there is still a such thing as DVD and Bluray movie production.
I feel like I have to be misunderstanding this. You're seriously paranoid that Microsoft and Sony are going to add updates to legacy consoles and make it so that they cant play game discs? (which arent going anywhere until brick and mortar stores die lol)
SONY yes damn straight I do, that would force everyone who wants to play SONY games to get a PS5 or play no games. from at least 3 generations
Xbox Microsoft still supports some of their retro games on the Xbox One, and yes as far as I know Microsoft Xbox One's play most Xbox games from 3 generations physical and also have digital games as well.
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I feel like I have to be misunderstanding this. You're seriously paranoid that Microsoft and Sony are going to add updates to legacy consoles and make it so that they cant play game discs? (which arent going anywhere until brick and mortar stores die lol)
You left out the part where he's going to pray to God that everyone inlvolved in this wild fantasy dies of Covid. I mean, I think there would certainly think that there are better things to pray for, if that's your thing.
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That is not happening with the PS4 for christ sakes
Most electronics have a cmos battery. The Dreamcast does for instance and it's why the damn thing asks me the time every time I turn it on. Sont just made the "mistake" of tying it to a certification thing with trophies. But you are talking 10-20 years from now maybe yours will die. Which then you would replace it and log back online and no problem.
But since this being reported during the supposed sky is falling news of the store closing, this is being conflated with Sony supposedly not giving a shit about its legacy. But again, the store is going down not the software support or download access.
so it's a big assumption to think that 10-20 years from now that the process that does the recertification will be down. I mean Sony is the company that updated the PS3 just 4 months ago so it could play modern blu rays. PSP patches and software upgrades are still up. When gamers were losing their shit over the PS3 patches not being available, it was fixed a few days later. There's really nothing that supports that the PS4 will be a brick because of this issue. And nothing that says they also won't patch it. It's just gamer nihlism.
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Video game collecting is going to require a lot more legwork in the future, that's for sure. Your fears of Sony or MS flipping the kill switch on online PS3s or 360s I think is a bit silly, but what could impact these systems is the lack of any live servers delivering patches and updates to games. Some games were released in such a unfinished state that they need these patches and updates to even be playable. Skyrim definitely comes to mind here, at least the initial non-GotY version. I'm sure there are easily 50 other games that are the same.
What this means is anyone considering collecting for these newer consoles might want to actively start or finish getting the games they want asap so they can download all updates and patches for them before they're unable to, at least conventionally. I think some very smart people will likely figure out how to deliver official updates to jail broken consoles in an unofficial matter, but obviously this will require mods to your system and going out of your way apply updates. This will probably create a fairly high celling for entry into these systems, but I have no doubt people will do it in order to enjoy games they played in the late 2000s. I'm sure the same thing will be true of the 8th gen consoles too.
Or maybe we'll get lucky and Sony will inevitably leave up the patching servers, who knows! I wouldn't worry about it so much though.
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With the retro games being bought up by the masses and the modern gaming industry pushing all digital, what do you think will become of VGCOllect? I think if things keep going like they are today they will be nothing left, unless some new console replaces the modern stuff. I would not mind digital only games if there was a way I could keep and play the ones I bought for as long as I want to. But that is not the case.
PC is where it is at now, I believe PC is the best value for your money in a digital only environment. Consoles are turning into crap, and I think a modern console is a waste of money. Just look at what SONY might do the the PlayStation 4, now we need to buy a PlayStation 5 to play all of our PlayStation 4 games. I think PS3 has hope, due to less restrictions, unless SONY releases an update to somehow disable the PlayStation 3 and stop it from working at all.
I keep my PS3 and my Xbox360 offline because of this thought and I think we should all turn off our WIFI on our 7th generation video game consoles.
If SONY ever does not remotely disable my PS3 somehow. If they do I hope to God they just die of the freking COVID 19, I don't care about them now. I have a whole collection of PS1 games I use my PS3 for and when if I somehow can't play them on my PS3 anymore I'll be pissed because I too would have purchased a whole entire collection of useless shit. And SONY is not even releasing a lot of games I got on their store front. Anyone reading this don't buy the PS5 fuck that shit >:(
The PS5 is going to play PS4 and PS5 games so soon you will not be able to use your PS4 anymore excpect maybe Bluray movies
I’m just quoting this garbage fire for posterity, lest he deletes it.
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It's your money, so do what you all want with it. If you don't care about getting ripped off that's fine. keep purchasing temporary access to your gaming, I think it's all bullshit, apparently a lot of people don't care. I am mostly angry that so many finished video game projects are just being tossed behind. it's like why bother making a video game? if companies are only going to trash it when it becomes old.
Believe it or not a LOT of video games and video game software have been forgotten in time, because of companies only care about money, not whether or not their own production and project stands the test of time, and is passed to future generations.
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Video game collecting is going to require a lot more legwork in the future, that's for sure. Your fears of Sony or MS flipping the kill switch on online PS3s or 360s I think is a bit silly, but what could impact these systems is the lack of any live servers delivering patches and updates to games. Some games were released in such a unfinished state that they need these patches and updates to even be playable. Skyrim definitely comes to mind here, at least the initial non-GotY version. I'm sure there are easily 50 other games that are the same.
What this means is anyone considering collecting for these newer consoles might want to actively start or finish getting the games they want asap so they can download all updates and patches for them before they're unable to, at least conventionally. I think some very smart people will likely figure out how to deliver official updates to jail broken consoles in an unofficial matter, but obviously this will require mods to your system and going out of your way apply updates. This will probably create a fairly high celling for entry into these systems, but I have no doubt people will do it in order to enjoy games they played in the late 2000s. I'm sure the same thing will be true of the 8th gen consoles too.
Or maybe we'll get lucky and Sony will inevitably leave up the patching servers, who knows! I wouldn't worry about it so much though.
Sure it will stay playable but it will probably be ignored by quite some people because of the higher entry point with them mods and such.
That is not happening with the PS4 for christ sakes
Most electronics have a cmos battery. The Dreamcast does for instance and it's why the damn thing asks me the time every time I turn it on. Sont just made the "mistake" of tying it to a certification thing with trophies. But you are talking 10-20 years from now maybe yours will die. Which then you would replace it and log back online and no problem.
But since this being reported during the supposed sky is falling news of the store closing, this is being conflated with Sony supposedly not giving a shit about its legacy. But again, the store is going down not the software support or download access.
so it's a big assumption to think that 10-20 years from now that the process that does the recertification will be down. I mean Sony is the company that updated the PS3 just 4 months ago so it could play modern blu rays. PSP patches and software upgrades are still up. When gamers were losing their shit over the PS3 patches not being available, it was fixed a few days later. There's really nothing that supports that the PS4 will be a brick because of this issue. And nothing that says they also won't patch it. It's just gamer nihlism.
If the battery dies even when you replace it. If you can't connect online with them servers your console won't be activated to even play physical games. when the ps4 servers are closing down this is an interesting scenario.
It's probably going to be patched later on but It's still interesting how it's a problem in the first place this shouldn't even be a thing from day 1. I wouldn't call this a small thing.
Even a physical ps4 game has to connect online to be playable on ps4 thanks to this design choice in it's current state. You gotto admit that's pretty dumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngOEfCUhl0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngOEfCUhl0)
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That is not happening with the PS4 for christ sakes
Most electronics have a cmos battery. The Dreamcast does for instance and it's why the damn thing asks me the time every time I turn it on. Sont just made the "mistake" of tying it to a certification thing with trophies. But you are talking 10-20 years from now maybe yours will die. Which then you would replace it and log back online and no problem.
But since this being reported during the supposed sky is falling news of the store closing, this is being conflated with Sony supposedly not giving a shit about its legacy. But again, the store is going down not the software support or download access.
so it's a big assumption to think that 10-20 years from now that the process that does the recertification will be down. I mean Sony is the company that updated the PS3 just 4 months ago so it could play modern blu rays. PSP patches and software upgrades are still up. When gamers were losing their shit over the PS3 patches not being available, it was fixed a few days later. There's really nothing that supports that the PS4 will be a brick because of this issue. And nothing that says they also won't patch it. It's just gamer nihlism.
I don't think you quite understand what the problem is.
The CMOS battery, whether brand new or old, requires a handshake with the PSN in order to function and keep time on the system. When Sony eventually shuts down the PSN on the PS4 like they're doing right now on PS3, the CMOS battery will only be able to keep the system operational for 2-5 years. When that battery dies, the console WILL be bricked, no questions asked. Putting in a new battery will not fix the problem. There have been several people that have tested this out already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngOEfCUhl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt5juSuq69g
https://youtu.be/inlbg2I7Qnc?t=420
This is the case for not only for the PS4, but also the PS3 and PS5. All digital games will cease to function on the PS3 and PS5 whether you've downloaded them to your system or not. Yes, that issue is many years in the future for PS5, but given how it's going to affect the PS3 right now, I think it's reasonable to ask Sony to release a firmware update and fix what is clearly a fatal flaw with all three systems.
And let's not pretend like Sony isn't going to shut down the PS4 and PS5 servers someday. They're doing it right now with PS3, and they'll do it to PS4 and PS5 the second it becomes unprofitable to keep them online. Servers don't last forever. Yes, they re-uploaded some of the patches they took off for the PS3, but they only put back HALF of them.
So there are three possible solutions:
- Sony fixes the problem themselves. In theory it should be a simple firmware update, so I don't think it's an issue of them being unable to address the problem; I just don't think they will. I'm not holding my breath
- Hack the console with custom firmware. This is what I think will be the most likely outcome. That's why personally I'm not as worried as some others, I think people will figure out a way to bypass the required certification with PSN, though it probably won't come for a while until after the PS4 is stopped being updated by Sony
- Buy a PS5 and play your games on it instead. As of right now, it seems like some PS4 games will play on the disc-based PS5 even with the CMOS battery issue. Personally, I'm pretty leery of giving Sony any more of my money if this is the eventual route we have to take to play PS4 games
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Video game collecting is going to require a lot more legwork in the future, that's for sure. Your fears of Sony or MS flipping the kill switch on online PS3s or 360s I think is a bit silly, but what could impact these systems is the lack of any live servers delivering patches and updates to games. Some games were released in such a unfinished state that they need these patches and updates to even be playable.
Cant you install patches and updates through usb?
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Video game collecting is going to require a lot more legwork in the future, that's for sure. Your fears of Sony or MS flipping the kill switch on online PS3s or 360s I think is a bit silly, but what could impact these systems is the lack of any live servers delivering patches and updates to games. Some games were released in such a unfinished state that they need these patches and updates to even be playable.
Cant you install patches and updates through usb?
Generally, yes, and it requires much more legwork than just connecting to the network to get your updates.
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That is not happening with the PS4 for christ sakes
Most electronics have a cmos battery. The Dreamcast does for instance and it's why the damn thing asks me the time every time I turn it on. Sont just made the "mistake" of tying it to a certification thing with trophies. But you are talking 10-20 years from now maybe yours will die. Which then you would replace it and log back online and no problem.
But since this being reported during the supposed sky is falling news of the store closing, this is being conflated with Sony supposedly not giving a shit about its legacy. But again, the store is going down not the software support or download access.
so it's a big assumption to think that 10-20 years from now that the process that does the recertification will be down. I mean Sony is the company that updated the PS3 just 4 months ago so it could play modern blu rays. PSP patches and software upgrades are still up. When gamers were losing their shit over the PS3 patches not being available, it was fixed a few days later. There's really nothing that supports that the PS4 will be a brick because of this issue. And nothing that says they also won't patch it. It's just gamer nihlism.
I don't think you quite understand what the problem is.
The CMOS battery, whether brand new or old, requires a handshake with the PSN in order to function and keep time on the system. When Sony eventually shuts down the PSN on the PS4 like they're doing right now on PS3, the CMOS battery will only be able to keep the system operational for 2-5 years. When that battery dies, the console WILL be bricked, no questions asked. Putting in a new battery will not fix the problem. There have been several people that have tested this out already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngOEfCUhl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt5juSuq69g
https://youtu.be/inlbg2I7Qnc?t=420
This is the case for not only for the PS4, but also the PS3 and PS5. All digital games will cease to function on the PS3 and PS5 whether you've downloaded them to your system or not. Yes, that issue is many years in the future for PS5, but given how it's going to affect the PS3 right now, I think it's reasonable to ask Sony to release a firmware update and fix what is clearly a fatal flaw with all three systems.
And let's not pretend like Sony isn't going to shut down the PS4 and PS5 servers someday. They're doing it right now with PS3, and they'll do it to PS4 and PS5 the second it becomes unprofitable to keep them online. Servers don't last forever. Yes, they re-uploaded some of the patches they took off for the PS3, but they only put back HALF of them.
So there are three possible solutions:
- Sony fixes the problem themselves. In theory it should be a simple firmware update, so I don't think it's an issue of them being unable to address the problem; I just don't think they will. I'm not holding my breath
- Hack the console with custom firmware. This is what I think will be the most likely outcome. That's why personally I'm not as worried as some others, I think people will figure out a way to bypass the required certification with PSN, though it probably won't come for a while until after the PS4 is stopped being updated by Sony
- Buy a PS5 and play your games on it instead. As of right now, it seems like some PS4 games will play on the disc-based PS5 even with the CMOS battery issue. Personally, I'm pretty leery of giving Sony any more of my money if this is the eventual route we have to take to play PS4 games
Um no I pretty aware of what’s going on. I don’t think you quite understand what I said. I said that it will have to recheck with the server if you were to replace it.
But your assuming the server will be offline years from now because you incorrectly think they are turning off servers for PS3. Again they aren’t. They are closing down the store. Not turning off servers that handle software support and downloads. Even with the store going down you can still download purchases or patches and there’s no sign of that changing.
So considering that PSP can still connect to servers to download patches, the PS3 still can and has been patched well up until 4 months ago, PS3 support hasn’t been turned off, and PS4 software is supported on the PS5. Why would you assume whatever server that probably has a small internet footprint that handles the one time needed certification for the cmos is going to go down anytime in the next decade and beyond?
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That is not happening with the PS4 for christ sakes
Most electronics have a cmos battery. The Dreamcast does for instance and it's why the damn thing asks me the time every time I turn it on. Sont just made the "mistake" of tying it to a certification thing with trophies. But you are talking 10-20 years from now maybe yours will die. Which then you would replace it and log back online and no problem.
But since this being reported during the supposed sky is falling news of the store closing, this is being conflated with Sony supposedly not giving a shit about its legacy. But again, the store is going down not the software support or download access.
so it's a big assumption to think that 10-20 years from now that the process that does the recertification will be down. I mean Sony is the company that updated the PS3 just 4 months ago so it could play modern blu rays. PSP patches and software upgrades are still up. When gamers were losing their shit over the PS3 patches not being available, it was fixed a few days later. There's really nothing that supports that the PS4 will be a brick because of this issue. And nothing that says they also won't patch it. It's just gamer nihlism.
I don't think you quite understand what the problem is.
The CMOS battery, whether brand new or old, requires a handshake with the PSN in order to function and keep time on the system. When Sony eventually shuts down the PSN on the PS4 like they're doing right now on PS3, the CMOS battery will only be able to keep the system operational for 2-5 years. When that battery dies, the console WILL be bricked, no questions asked. Putting in a new battery will not fix the problem. There have been several people that have tested this out already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngOEfCUhl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt5juSuq69g
https://youtu.be/inlbg2I7Qnc?t=420
This is the case for not only for the PS4, but also the PS3 and PS5. All digital games will cease to function on the PS3 and PS5 whether you've downloaded them to your system or not. Yes, that issue is many years in the future for PS5, but given how it's going to affect the PS3 right now, I think it's reasonable to ask Sony to release a firmware update and fix what is clearly a fatal flaw with all three systems.
And let's not pretend like Sony isn't going to shut down the PS4 and PS5 servers someday. They're doing it right now with PS3, and they'll do it to PS4 and PS5 the second it becomes unprofitable to keep them online. Servers don't last forever. Yes, they re-uploaded some of the patches they took off for the PS3, but they only put back HALF of them.
So there are three possible solutions:
- Sony fixes the problem themselves. In theory it should be a simple firmware update, so I don't think it's an issue of them being unable to address the problem; I just don't think they will. I'm not holding my breath
- Hack the console with custom firmware. This is what I think will be the most likely outcome. That's why personally I'm not as worried as some others, I think people will figure out a way to bypass the required certification with PSN, though it probably won't come for a while until after the PS4 is stopped being updated by Sony
- Buy a PS5 and play your games on it instead. As of right now, it seems like some PS4 games will play on the disc-based PS5 even with the CMOS battery issue. Personally, I'm pretty leery of giving Sony any more of my money if this is the eventual route we have to take to play PS4 games
Um no I pretty aware of what’s going on. I don’t think you quite understand what I said. I said that it will have to recheck with the server if you were to replace it.
But your assuming the server will be offline years from now because you incorrectly think they are turning off servers for PS3. Again they aren’t. They are closing down the store. Not turning off servers that handle software support and downloads. Even with the store going down you can still download purchases or patches and there’s no sign of that changing.
So considering that PSP can still connect to servers to download patches, the PS3 still can and has been patched well up until 4 months ago, PS3 support hasn’t been turned off, and PS4 software is supported on the PS5. Why would you assume whatever server that probably has a small internet footprint that handles the one time needed certification for the cmos is going to go down anytime in the next decade and beyond?
They won't keep it up forever. older generation of consoles no money to be made less and less people using it.
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Um no I pretty aware of what’s going on. I don’t think you quite understand what I said. I said that it will have to recheck with the server if you were to replace it.
But your assuming the server will be offline years from now because you incorrectly think they are turning off servers for PS3. Again they aren’t. They are closing down the store. Not turning off servers that handle software support and downloads. Even with the store going down you can still download purchases or patches and there’s no sign of that changing.
So considering that PSP can still connect to servers to download patches, the PS3 still can and has been patched well up until 4 months ago, PS3 support hasn’t been turned off, and PS4 software is supported on the PS5. Why would you assume whatever server that probably has a small internet footprint that handles the one time needed certification for the cmos is going to go down anytime in the next decade and beyond?
Why would Sony maintain a server for a console that has zero store functionality? And maintain that server for 20, 30, 40 years in the future? And how many consoles from the PS2 generation and back still have their online servers intact? Zero.
If it doesn't make money, they shut it down, it's that simple.
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But he´s not suggesting that they stop making money and eventually shut down like everything does, hes saying that the companies will actively break the ability of your old consoles to even play games to try to get you to buy new consoles.
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Breaking my rule only because I tire of these constant paranoia threads you start.
With the retro games being bought up by the masses and the modern gaming industry pushing all digital, what do you think will become of VGCOllect? I think if things keep going like they are today they will be nothing left, unless some new console replaces the modern stuff. I would not mind digital only games if there was a way I could keep and play the ones I bought for as long as I want to. But that is not the case.
This has been answered rather succinctly by Cartagia already.
VGCollect is explicitly not a physical only database. It is a database for individual titles and for people to track them - regardless of the platform or medium. You've made it clear that you don't utilize the site like anyone else. This site will be fine.
PC is where it is at now, I believe PC is the best value for your money in a digital only environment. Consoles are turning into crap, and I think a modern console is a waste of money. Just look at what SONY might do the the PlayStation 4, now we need to buy a PlayStation 5 to play all of our PlayStation 4 games. I think PS3 has hope, due to less restrictions, unless SONY releases an update to somehow disable the PlayStation 3 and stop it from working at all.
You REALLY need to get over boogeyman complex with Sony. It's as embarrassingly bad as when you spewed that hackers were trying to take over your 360 through a disc or some nonsense. Also,
there you go shilling for PC again. Are you on the hook with someone? HP? Dell? Do you not realize a lot of the same problems exist for PC and are probably even worse? How many servers for old PC games are forever offline? How many MMOs are kaput? How easy is it to put a Win95 game CD and play it on Win10? What about games on diskette? How long has it been since PCs had those? :o
I keep my PS3 and my Xbox360 offline because of this thought and I think we should all turn off our WIFI on our 7th generation video game consoles.
Do what you want you paranoid scaredy-cat but go pound sand telling any of the rest of us what we should do. Also, Cartagia had the perfect response to this as well...
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It's your money, so do what you all want with it. If you don't care about getting ripped off that's fine. keep purchasing temporary access to your gaming, I think it's all bullshit, apparently a lot of people don't care. I am mostly angry that so many finished video game projects are just being tossed behind. it's like why bother making a video game? if companies are only going to trash it when it becomes old.
Believe it or not a LOT of video games and video game software have been forgotten in time, because of companies only care about money, not whether or not their own production and project stands the test of time, and is passed to future generations.
Never have I seen such hyperbole. This whole nonsense scenario you're griping about is a newer trend. I can hook up my 32-bit and prior stuff to a TV and they work JUST FINE. It's only an issue where the consoles have internet connectivity that require server handshakes and what not. Also, you're continually conflated old games not working with old games not being available. Pick a damn lane already. Like I said above, this is a BIGGER problem on that precious PC platform you're constantly shilling. Of course it's about the damn money, as others have pointed out in this thread, where's the money in maintaining servers for older, unsupported systems? Does it suck, YES, but it's practically inevitable.
If SONY ever does not remotely disable my PS3 somehow. If they do I hope to God they just die of the freking COVID 19, I don't care about them now. I have a whole collection of PS1 games I use my PS3 for and when if I somehow can't play them on my PS3 anymore I'll be pissed because I too would have purchased a whole entire collection of useless shit. And SONY is not even releasing a lot of games I got on their store front. Anyone reading this don't buy the PS5 fuck that shit >:(
The PS5 is going to play PS4 and PS5 games so soon you will not be able to use your PS4 anymore excpect maybe Bluray movies
Nice unhinged response and totally cool wishing death on people. 8) You're annoying as all get-out but I'd never wish death upon on you regardless of how asinine your posts tend to get. If anything, you probably need some damn HELP to get your head right and stop drinking the Kool-Aid that Sony, hackers or whoever else is trying to ruin your life. Also, about PS1 games, if you're so eager to play them, they make these things called PlayStations you can play them on. They're quite plentiful and can be had at flea markets for the cost of a meal at a fast casual restaurant. Also, you might consider a PlayStation Classic or even PSN if you're so inclined. :P
I’m just quoting this garbage fire for posterity, lest he deletes it.
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You left out the part where he's going to pray to God that everyone inlvolved in this wild fantasy dies of Covid. I mean, I think there would certainly think that there are better things to pray for, if that's your thing.
Indeed. Good to see other people on here are getting tired of the histrionics and paranoia of his posts/threads. There were a couple more quotes I was going to add but I'm running out of gas/will to care about these delusions. Dude needs to get some damn help and to stop posting these threads chock full of irrational fears (or at least post them with better articulation and less fear-mongering propaganda).
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But he´s not suggesting that they stop making money and eventually shut down like everything does, hes saying that the companies will actively break the ability of your old consoles to even play games to try to get you to buy new consoles.
But they're not, at least not as deviously as he claims. Newer consoles within the last 15-20 years have some sort of internet connectivity and at the time their implementation was meant for security reasons and what not. They're not actively breaking old consoles insomuch as they are not actively supporting them. It sucks but that's how things have progressed.
Again, he heaps praises on how PCs are the wave of the future but they have MORE issues with legacy software and require more workarounds. I have stacks of old CD-Roms that need DosBox at the very least to somewhat function and then there's those that needed certain hardware configurations which might never work on my current setup. He also praises MS for how older games work on their newer systems but glosses over how at one time the XB1 was going to be online all-the-time and trading games amongst friends was going to be an absolute chore. They lost so much ground right out of the gate because of that and practically handed Sony the reins to the last generation. :P
I know you're new here but this is par for the course for him. If you're something of a masochist, go back and read his older posts (the ones he hasn't deleted after being called out) and you'll see they are A LOT of them filled to the brim with paranoia and hyperbole. At first they were kind of funny such as ghosts being in his systems, now they're more sad and pitiful. :P
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But he´s not suggesting that they stop making money and eventually shut down like everything does, hes saying that the companies will actively break the ability of your old consoles to even play games to try to get you to buy new consoles.
Oh I didn't even try to respond to anything Oldgamerz posted haha :P
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Breaking my rule only because I tire of these constant paranoia threads you start.
Its not worth it.
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Is something like the 3rd party online Wiimmfi service that keeps Wii and DS games online to this day possible on the 360 and ps3? I know that people will be looking into it once the xbox 360 multiplayer games shut down later this year.
Side note: does anyone here use xlink kai?
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If I die that would be a blessing to me @flashback, then I could have whatever I want, and never have to deal with you or anyone elses shit ever again
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The problem with being dead though is that... you're dead. I don't think we'll find any CIB mint game collections (or 72 virgins or whatever *insert religion* promises you) down there in the gaping black void to keep us occupied for eternity...
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It's becoming less of a casual hobby and more of a pricey one, and that will only continue to get worse as supply gets scarcer and scarcer. That is unless interest completely dies out and the market crashes, like baseball cards and comics did after the 90s boom. But I just don't see that with video games. Interest continues to grow thanks to YouTubers, livestreamers, and Facebook groups.
When I started really collecting, old video games were cheap as hell. That was part of the appeal in the late 90s to early 2000s. You could walk into any thrift shop or used music shop and walk out with a number of games, good games, for under $50. Those days are long gone. It's a completely different game in 2021.
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When 3D printers become so good that they can make replications so authentic appearing that they are indistinguishable from the real thing, we'll all be in deep shit!
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The problem with being dead though is that... you're dead. I don't think we'll find any CIB mint game collections (or 72 virgins or whatever *insert religion* promises you) down there in the gaping black void to keep us occupied for eternity...
Not unless I'm evil, we can't talk religion on this forum it's against the rules
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The problem with being dead though is that... you're dead. I don't think we'll find any CIB mint game collections (or 72 virgins or whatever *insert religion* promises you) down there in the gaping black void to keep us occupied for eternity...
Not unless I'm evil, we can't talk religion on this forum it's against the rules
I'll just leave it at that, then. My bad.
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I not only post on behalf of my own self but for others as well. We are all in this together, what ever happens to one of us is more likely to happen to everyone of us eventually
I've seen what people can do with electronics and it's not pretty. in the long run, I think everything will be alright.
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I not only post on behalf of my own self but for others as well.
Just post for yourself. The rest of us are more than capable of speaking for ourselves.
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Nice unhinged response and totally cool wishing death on people. 8) You're annoying as all get-out but I'd never wish death upon on you regardless of how asinine your posts tend to get. If anything, you probably need some damn HELP to get your head right and stop drinking the Kool-Aid that Sony, hackers or whoever else is trying to ruin your life. Also, about PS1 games, if you're so eager to play them, they make these things called PlayStations you can play them on. They're quite plentiful and can be had at flea markets for the cost of a meal at a fast casual restaurant. Also, you might consider a PlayStation Classic or even PSN if you're so inclined. :P
I really prefer to play my PS1 games on a PlayStation 3 because, I can create 1000's of virtual memory cards and hold all my PlayStation 1 gaming progress, without needing to hunt down 100's of PlayStation 1 memory cards. I have a PS1 classic and I really like mine (edit) one sports game. can usually take up an entire PS1 memory card also this same goes for the Nintendo 64 as well.
I not only post on behalf of my own self but for others as well.
Just post for yourself. The rest of us are more than capable of speaking for ourselves.
understood.
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Collecting Videogames is more populair then ever why would it by dying anytime soon? I'd almost start calling it a hipster hobby, wherest 15-20 years ago it was just seen as a poor man's hobby.
I was being laughed at school sometimes because i was into older games, like why would you want that old junk can't you afford a ps2!!
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A little reminder that right now Wii games are the same price as those retro games were in 2000. Back then the NES was 15 years old and now the Wii is 15 years old. You just don't want to collect the actual cheap stuff before a nostalgia wave hits zoomers with disposable income.
why would you want that old junk can't you afford a ps2!!
This is hilarious to see cause I´ve gotten all of my ps2´s for like $15 each.
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Collecting Videogames is more populair then ever why would it by dying anytime soon? I'd almost start calling it a hipster hobby, wherest 15-20 years ago it was just seen as a poor man's hobby.
I was being laughed at school sometimes because i was into older games, like why would you want that old junk can't you afford a ps2!!
GBA came out at the very same time as the ps2 and those where all 2D games. and since they where brand new games it's not a poor mans hobby in that case.
Pretty much every kid liked 2d games at the time as a result of the gba being really popular. Ds also didn't shy away from 2d games.
A little reminder that right now Wii games are the same price as those retro games were in 2000. Back then the NES was 15 years old and now the Wii is 15 years old. You just don't want to collect the actual cheap stuff before a nostalgia wave hits zoomers with disposable income.
why would you want that old junk can't you afford a ps2!!
This is hilarious to see cause I´ve gotten all of my ps2´s for like $15 each.
Wii games while relatively cheap now aren't dollar prices unless where talking actual shovelware. retro games back in the 2000's pretty much all had dollar prices. I don't think we'll ever get those cheap lows again because game collecting is just more popular now plus with the internet being the big behemoth that it is hidden gems will rarely be forgotten.
It doesn't have as much of a change to hide like past generations of consoles when the internet was in it's infancy
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With the retro games being bought up by the masses and the modern gaming industry pushing all digital, what do you think will become of VGCOllect? I think if things keep going like they are today they will be nothing left, unless some new console replaces the modern stuff. I would not mind digital only games if there was a way I could keep and play the ones I bought for as long as I want to. But that is not the case.
VGCollect is explicitly not a physical only database. It is a database for individual titles and for people to track them - regardless of the platform or medium. You've made it clear that you don't utilize the site like anyone else. This site will be fine.
I keep my PS3 and my Xbox360 offline because of this thought and I think we should all turn off our WIFI on our 7th generation video game consoles.
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If SONY ever does not remotely disable my PS3 somehow. If they do I hope to God they just die of the freking COVID 19, I don't care about them now. I have a whole collection of PS1 games I use my PS3 for and when if I somehow can't play them on my PS3 anymore I'll be pissed because I too would have purchased a whole entire collection of useless shit. And SONY is not even releasing a lot of games I got on their store front. Anyone reading this don't buy the PS5 fuck that shit >:(
The PS5 is going to play PS4 and PS5 games so soon you will not be able to use your PS4 anymore excpect maybe Bluray movies
Ps4 owners might have it rougher though even your physical games will be unplayable when that ps4 internal clock runs dry
https://in.ign.com/ps3/156762/news/ps3-drm-kills-digital-games-ps4-discs-report (https://in.ign.com/ps3/156762/news/ps3-drm-kills-digital-games-ps4-discs-report)
If I'm not mistaken ps5 has that same system. I think there will be solutions for this problem for collectors and such but for the masses who owned such consoles it will be paper weight to much of a hassle. ticking time bombs, was this done on purpose to remove people from their older consoles? because it would definitely work for majority of the consumer base and they would probably not give a flying fuck cause of newer gens and because the console was probably going to die at some point anyway :o
I hope switch and wii u don't have that many issues considering it's allot less online heavy than microsoft or sony.
You don't to have wait long on that one with the PS3. Just till the end of this year probably.
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My PS3 has not been fully online or plugged in for 2 years, I can still play games on it for now, but if I can no longer play any game on it, I'm never going to buy another SONY product again.
My internal clock is wrong and everything works likes normal for now.
If this happens to the PS3 PS4 and PS5 I hope someone punishes SONY for their greed.
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My PS3 has not been fully online or plugged in for 2 years, I can still play games on it for now, but if I can no longer play any game on it, I'm never going to buy another SONY product again.
My internal clock is wrong and everything works likes normal for now.
If this happens to the PS3 PS4 and PS5 I hope someone punishes SONY for their greed.
ps3 will be fine with physical games. it's just digital content that will be unusable if sony doesn't patch it.
although I do wonder if patches count as digital content but the base version should always work.
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this article is about consumer rights so nobody is suppose to disable products that consumers purchased legally
https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc/bureaus-offices/bureau-consumer-protection
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The price of the dollar has risen something like 55% since 2000. And the idea that moms getting rid of video games oblivious to true value ever going away is just absurd to me.
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this article is about consumer rights so nobody is suppose to disable products that consumers purchased legally
https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc/bureaus-offices/bureau-consumer-protection
1) US law doesn’t apply to consumers outside the US
2) you didn’t link to an article, merely a web portal.
3) Sony isn’t intentionally disabling your console. It might happen out of a stupid design on their part, but good luck ever proving it, or have you never owned a car in your life?
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The price of the dollar has risen something like 55% since 2000. And the idea that moms getting rid of video games oblivious to true value ever going away is just absurd to me.
Why though sony's representative is the exact reason why moms throw games away for dirt cheap.
I quote: Who play's this ancient stuff?
Most people who played old games in the past have zero nostalgia for it at all they just want to play realistic modern day stuff if it's not the newest of the new it's not enjoyable stuff gets dated to the masses. Majority of my family members who are older now don't give two shits about mario world anymore. To allot of people old games are worthless the only difference in the current era is that instead of throwing those old games away at least now they are worth a nice buck.
Their mentality for the actual content has however remained the exact same Crazy that people pay that much money for worthless junk what's so fun about this. Another man's trash is someone else's treasure.
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Collecting Videogames is more populair then ever why would it by dying anytime soon? I'd almost start calling it a hipster hobby, wherest 15-20 years ago it was just seen as a poor man's hobby.
I was being laughed at school sometimes because i was into older games, like why would you want that old junk can't you afford a ps2!!
GBA came out at the very same time as the ps2 and those where all 2D games. and since they where brand new games it's not a poor mans hobby in that case.
Pretty much every kid liked 2d games at the time as a result of the gba being really popular. Ds also didn't shy away from 2d games.
I'm talking retro stuff, what does the gba have to do with this it was new back then. If you were like 16 in 2002 all most school kids cared about was playing gta 3 and maybe (smoking cigs and drinking beer.)
If you were seen walking around with a handheld you would end up being laughed at for it being a kids console or in the worst case being bullied, well atleast it was like that to the school i went.
Since i was into master system and sega in general i was being laugh at for being too poor to buy the latest consoles, not that i really cared anyway, trading a pack of cigarettes or couple of beers for a ps1 rpg, well don't mind me if i do, yep i was still being called an idiot after the trade.
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Collecting Videogames is more populair then ever why would it by dying anytime soon? I'd almost start calling it a hipster hobby, wherest 15-20 years ago it was just seen as a poor man's hobby.
I was being laughed at school sometimes because i was into older games, like why would you want that old junk can't you afford a ps2!!
GBA came out at the very same time as the ps2 and those where all 2D games. and since they where brand new games it's not a poor mans hobby in that case.
Pretty much every kid liked 2d games at the time as a result of the gba being really popular. Ds also didn't shy away from 2d games.
I'm talking retro stuff, what does the gba have to do with this it was new back then. If you were like 16 in 2002 all most school kids cared about was playing gta 3 and maybe (smoking cigs and drinking beer.)
If you were seen walking around with a handheld you would end up being laughed at for it being a kids console or in the worst case being bullied, well atleast it was like that to the school i went.
Since i was into master system and sega in general i was being laugh at for being too poor to buy the latest consoles, not that i really cared anyway, trading a pack of cigarettes or couple of beers for a ps1 rpg, well don't mind me if i do, yep i was still being called an idiot after the trade.
was pretty different for me at the time.
Everyone was playing pokemon or mario smash. GBA was just as new as the ps2. it wasn't retro ps2 was released in 2000 gba in 2001. ps2 is more retro than the gba. I still remember them late night gaming sessions with mario party it kept on going with the ds era.
Sure people had GTA aswell. but in my case at school everyone was talking about regi puzzles and such. You where the cool kid if you knew the secrets of such games. Fun times especially since I was one of the guru's at the time for this kind of stuff. pretty much everyone was busy with nintendo it seems.
Gamecube was the console for multiplayer ps2 and xbox where not really notable at the time in my region at least. and when people usually had those aside from GTA they only had shovelware.
I also remember that even at the time we would download snes roms or that people had a sega console from their parents that they would use. and gba emulation on pc was even a thing from the get go when the games where brand new in stores interesting times. 3ds era was when the party died except with friends.
Guess what's popular will vary per region. Always interesting to see what other people's experiences where at the time.
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Collecting Videogames is more populair then ever why would it by dying anytime soon? I'd almost start calling it a hipster hobby, wherest 15-20 years ago it was just seen as a poor man's hobby.
I was being laughed at school sometimes because i was into older games, like why would you want that old junk can't you afford a ps2!!
GBA came out at the very same time as the ps2 and those where all 2D games. and since they where brand new games it's not a poor mans hobby in that case.
Pretty much every kid liked 2d games at the time as a result of the gba being really popular. Ds also didn't shy away from 2d games.
I'm talking retro stuff, what does the gba have to do with this it was new back then. If you were like 16 in 2002 all most school kids cared about was playing gta 3 and maybe (smoking cigs and drinking beer.)
If you were seen walking around with a handheld you would end up being laughed at for it being a kids console or in the worst case being bullied, well atleast it was like that to the school i went.
Since i was into master system and sega in general i was being laugh at for being too poor to buy the latest consoles, not that i really cared anyway, trading a pack of cigarettes or couple of beers for a ps1 rpg, well don't mind me if i do, yep i was still being called an idiot after the trade.
was pretty different for me at the time.
Everyone was playing pokemon or mario smash. GBA was just as new as the ps2. it wasn't retro ps2 was released in 2000 gba in 2001. ps2 is more retro than the gba.
Sure people had GTA aswell. but in my case at school everyone was talking about regi puzzles and such. You where the cool kid if you knew the secrets of such games. Fun times especially since I was one of the guru's at the time for this kind of stuff. pretty much everyone was busy with nintendo it seems.
Gamecube was the console for multiplayer ps2 and xbox where not really notable at the time in my region at least. and when people usually had those aside from GTA they only had shovelware.
I also remember that even at the time we would download snes roms or that people had a sega console from their parents that they would use.
Guess what's popular will vary per region. Always interesting to see what other people's experiences where at the time.
In my area people were playing both Pokemon and GTA type games concurrently. PS2 being the console of choice for single player and Xbox for multiplayer. I only knew 2 people with a Gamecube when it was current.
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In my area back in 2004 the Nintendo GameCube was the most affordable modern console at GameStop of the time, surprisingly ALL Nintendo related games were cheap. and the same goes with the accessories. However the Ps2 and Xbox original was like $120 while my first GameCube was only $60 USD and they were making decent GameStop branded New GameCube controllers, for $12 USD or less.
At my local GameStop back then. they were selling used Nintendo 64, GameCube PlayStation 2, OG Xbox, and new Xbox360 and early PS3 games might have grazed there shelfs as well. When GameStop was in it's prime it was a thriving franchise back then. So many people went to them, and I remember their ad around Christmas time, it said GameStop can outshine Santa.
I wish the children of tomorrow would be able to get physical video games for a Christmas gift, In an all digital future there will be no gift to wrap our children just a code maybe. :(
just think of al the stores that are going out of business because of digital, at least for now you can get music and movies, both digital AND physical for those who want it. and CD's and Movies are indeed selling so there is a profit for record companies to be made.
CD's DVD and Blu-ray are easy for factories to build, all the laborers need to do is probably press a button and presto, good quality media made.
and for the record, no pun intended, CD's are more likely to have better quality then MP3 or MP4 digital downloads do. There is an easy way to get 3D surround audio out of just about any kind of sound system if you rip your music CD's in loss less format. and never use burned copies, only original CD's have the best quality sound possible
(edit) but the older Vinyl records are said to be the best quality but I heard that does not go with the newer Vinyl records
See this thread for details on how to get your own CD's into lossless format, but You will need to re-record them (see thread for details) :)
https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,11038.msg181629.html#msg181629
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I'm very late to the discussion but I wanted to chime in with 2 thoughts:
1. Video game collecting won't die. Even if years from now everything is digital, people will still try to buy the old stuff. Even if systems and games die there will likely be someone out there to fix it. So even if interest wanes in the future, which it might, it won't go away completely.
2. Even though I'm fairly confident there will be SOME kind of fix to continue to play PS3/4/5 and beyond in the future it's still a hassle and depending on the fix it could be something fairly easy like just downloading a custom firmware update or something mechanical that needs to be replaced, it's not going to be nearly as simple as like buying a NES, buying a cartridge and plugging it in and playing it. Because that's part of what keeps me playing those old games. The ability to just put in a game and start playing. No downloads, no updates, no patches, no fear of a game becoming unplayable. And at absolute worst is having to open a cartridge and simply replace the save battery. But on top of that the fact that it seems Sony in particular is just dead set on destroying the future collectability market and basically forcing people to move from one generation to the next, it just completely sours my taste for both the PS5 and modern gaming as a whole. I know the day gaming goes all digital I'll likely stop buying new games or at least new consoles and just play on PC. Not only that the games I'll buy will be far and few between. I know I am in the minority and most people are perfectly happy to pay full price for what is essentially a long-term rental that you don't own, I cannot get behind it. I buy more games than I should because I like collecting them. Taking that away gives me much less motivation to buy them. Again I know this is me and I'm the vocal minority and I'm sure a lot of us here are as well. But sometimes I look at my 100+ ps3 and ps4 games and wonder if they'll just become garbage after a few years. Then I look at my 100s of NES/SNES/N64 games and I know I will be taking them to the grave with me.
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If I die that would be a blessing to me @flashback, then I could have whatever I want, and never have to deal with you or anyone elses shit ever again
The problem with being dead though is that... you're dead. I don't think we'll find any CIB mint game collections (or 72 virgins or whatever *insert religion* promises you) down there in the gaping black void to keep us occupied for eternity...
Not unless I'm evil, we can't talk religion on this forum it's against the rules
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I sense the smoldering of a dumpster fire.
But yes... to beat the skeleton of dead horse game collecting is "dying", because oh my lord how many people out there are willing to fork over hundreds per title, myself included. It's mind blowing how thirsty we are. We all need to find a new hobby. Preferably one where you aren't collecting something.
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Imagine being a childrens game / toy / comic maker in the 1980s and a 30 year old man time travels into your warehouse and starts grabbing everything he can. muttering about ¨mint condition.¨
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Imagine being a childrens game / toy / comic maker in the 1980s and a 30 year old man time travels into your warehouse and starts grabbing everything he can muttering about ¨mint condition.
Give me the opportunity, and I'll do it without a single ounce of shame.