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General and Gaming => Off Topic => Topic started by: gf78 on January 16, 2019, 05:31:29 pm
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Everywhere you look today, somebody has something negative to say about it. Movie directors, comic writers and pretty much anybody who makes anything exposed to public scrutiny are bending over backwards to be PC and all-inclusive. Hey, that's cool. But do we have to alter things that already exist to further an agenda?
I am friends with & work with numerous gay people. My oldest daughter proudly states she is bisexual and two good friends are both transitioning. And hey, that's great. People deserve to be happy and I nor anybody else has any right to interfere with their happiness, as long as it isn't some Buffalo Bill wearing ladies skins kinda shit. I also hang out & work with several black people. Sorry if that's the incorrect terminology. So with that being said, here are some things that have been annoying the shit out of me!
Comic books. Oh my, what the hell is going on?! Wolverine is a girl. Iron Main is a black girl. Captain America is no longer the original super soldier, a black guy is. Iceman is now gay, Spider-Man is/was Dr. Octopus, Thor is/was a girl. What the hell is going on?! I'm cool with black characters, Asian characters, female characters, etc. But please, stop trying to suck up. Make some new characters & stop screwing with existing ones!
Star Wars. My poor, poor Star Wars. Rian Johnson made a shit film and anybody who says its shit is labeled a misogynistic pig. Regardless of why they hated it! My problem has less to do with how every woman in the film is a brave, stand out hero and 2/3 of the rebels are now women (they are) and more to do with how every Male character is a fuck-up. It's like Johnson went out of his way to make every Male character an ass. Not to mention the nonsensical plot, illogical time jumps, etc.
Butthurt over Gillette commercial. Get over it PC warriors.
Satanists having a me too!" Fit over Christmas decorations. Who friggin cares?! They are decorations. If you get offended by a jolly fat man in red and Rudolph, you have issues!
Baby Its Cold Outside isn't a friggin song about date rape!
Blizzard, nobody cares if Soldier 76 is gay. The game has almost zero backstory and this is nothing more than pandering for no logical reason whatsoever.
Anything you folks want to get off your chest?
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The social justice crowd and PC culture shit has really got out of hand, and this is coming from someone who is pretty liberal. I'm not sure how we got to this point where everyone is offended by everything, but I really miss when people could view something in context and proportional to what is actually happening. Now everyone flips their shit at the slightest provocation of something being even the slightest bit offensive to some group of people. I'm really sick of it and wish people would focus on real problems in our society rather than a freakin commercial or the mascot of some sports team. I'm all for gay rights, women's rights, and equality for all, but I don't feel the need to go on a crusade over something a stupid commercial said or something an actor said on twitter.
As for Disney and Star Wars, their radical inclusiveness is incredibly contrived, which doesn't make it any less annoying, but it is clearly being done in order to market to as many people as possible. In the case of Star Wars, particularly The Last Jedi, it goes full on sexist, portraying all the male characters as weak, cowardly, and foolish compared to virtually every female character in the film whom is protrayed in the exact opposite way to the point of being comedic. This might be the least of that movie's problems. I'd recommend watching several videos that a youtuber named Mauler did on the entire film; he points out nearly everything that is wrong with these movies, politics aside. I feel like the proof is in the pudding though; Star Wars is hurting as a brand overall right now and the catalyst was absolutely TLJ.
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My opinion has moreorless already been said and will be said, fuck PC culture and everything it stands for, but what was that about Satanists butthurt over Santa? That sounds out of character for them. Was that the CoS or Satanic Temple? Or just a few whiny individuals?
I'd love to go on a more in depth rant but I'll never shut up if I do so I'll spare you the details.
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Yeah I know what you mean. The first thing that comes to mind was the female ghost busters movie and that was just strange.
I agree with you on the comic books to, it's just Marvel sucking up and there's no real point to it.
Never encountered you're satanist situation before, but i'll agree with you there too.
Overall it just gets old and pushes away fans of stuff like me when Star Wars, Marvel etc. try to appeal and push an agenda. Thank god for nintendo!
EDIT: PC culture also just gets on my nerves. I had a discussion on ethnicity the other day and it's a pain in the ass to find a "politically correct" term. As long as the statement isn't racist in any way there shouldn't be wrong with saying things that are true. Example, I have some black friends. Nothing wrong with that. By definition that's not racist. I'm simply describing their appearance. I'm white, nothing wrong with saying that. It's just who I am. You are simply describing me by a characteristic. I could see if it was like saying "I have a couple of friends with moles on their face or big noses" which is rude but it's not like that.
Back then it was a simpler time.
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I'd laugh if this gets removed or locked while most of seether's posts remain up.
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I'd laugh if this gets removed or locked while most of seether's posts remain up.
Right? This thread is just asking for trouble.
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Ironically, it's not the PC people that are upset at gilette, it's all the anti-pc'ers. Sean Hassity is calling for a boycott. Poor baby.
I don't know much about the Satansit stuff, but if you believe they are really "hurt' over Christmas or santa or whatever, I don't envy your intellectual skills. They are likely showing how absurd the whole "we can finally say Christmas again" agenda crap is.
Anyway, the world is changing. You don't adapt, you go extinct.
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Anyway, the world is changing. You don't adapt, you go extinct.
I consider myself to be a politically correct black lives matter lover liberal commie feminazi social justice warrior-ing snowflake and I couldn't agree more.❤️
Things are changing, babe. And they will continue to do so.
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As I said, my intention is not to offend anyone. I'm talking about how in an attempt to NOT offend anyone has become offensive of itself.
People whining about the dumbest crap, so now society tries to make everything PC. then you have those on the opposite end of the spectrum, trying to be as offensive as possible. Both sides are annoying.
The whole pledge of allegiance at school controversy. People finding a Pokemon offensive, looking for something to be angry about. Internet trolls running people into the dirt with no fear of reprisal. Fear mongering in politics. The general shittiness man heaps upon his fellow man. Not taking the time to let someone out in traffic. Not showing respect to the elderly. School kids with their heads so far up their iPhone's ass, they have no clue how to function in society. Its nuts.
And how can I forget, as if Last Jedi wasn't bad enough? We get Solo with "Pando" Calrasian? Did we need to retroactively make Lando different? Why change a character retroactively to pander? Couldn't another character have been pansexual? I dont have a problem with people and their lifestyles, but as my friend Tasha (who is gay in a marriage with her wife who is now transitioning to a male) said when talking about Lando "That's just fucking stupid."
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I don't know much about the Satansit stuff, but if you believe they are really "hurt' over Christmas or santa or whatever, I don't envy your intellectual skills. They are likely showing how absurd the whole "we can finally say Christmas again" agenda crap is.
Wow. You dont know me or anything about me and want to insult my intellectual skills?
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/04/673422143/satanic-sculpture-installed-at-illinois-statehouse-just-in-time-for-the-holidays
I assume your mention of Sean Hannity coupled with an attempt to label me as intellectually impaired means you are a liberal? Good for you. So am I! But because I believe in equal rights, courtesy, & compassion for everyone doesnt mean i dont find pandering and ass-kissing to keep crybabies happy ridiculous.
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We get Solo with "Pando" Calrasian? Did we need to retroactively make Lando different? Why change a character retroactively to pander? Couldn't another character have been pansexual? I dont have a problem with people and their lifestyles, but as my friend Tasha (who is gay in a marriage with her wife who is now transitioning to a male) said when talking about Lando "That's just fucking stupid."
See, I don’t think this is pandering at all. I see it as a natural extension of Lando as a character. To me Lando always read as a pansexual - even before I really knew what sexuality was. Lando for me has always been someone who would fuck anyone and anything at any time, which is why I love him. Smooth as hell to everyone.
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Ironically, it's not the PC people that are upset at gilette, it's all the anti-pc'ers. Sean Hassity is calling for a boycott. Poor baby.
I don't know much about the Satansit stuff, but if you believe they are really "hurt' over Christmas or santa or whatever, I don't envy your intellectual skills. They are likely showing how absurd the whole "we can finally say Christmas again" agenda crap is.
Anyway, the world is changing. You don't adapt, you go extinct.
This isn't about the world changing; this is about people getting super pissed off over the dumbest shit and making it out to be something it's not. I agree about the Merry Christmas thing being the conservative version of using proper pronouns or some other stupid shit like that. I welcome change and I hope that we continue to progress as a society of equal pay, equal rights, and everyone getting a fair shot in society. Shoehorned diversity, misandry, ruining people's lives over not using gender neutral pronouns is not progress or help the cause of equal rights at all. Besides, most mainstream examples of equality and social justice are more sensationalism and pandering rather than actual calls for change or equality.
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As I said, my intention is not to offend anyone.
Well I'm offended by your intention to not offend me!!! Outrage! >:(
Actually I'm not offended. I'm more tired than anything. Night shift is for the birds.
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People finding a Pokemon offensive
I find this one to be pretty offensive.
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We get Solo with "Pando" Calrasian? Did we need to retroactively make Lando different? Why change a character retroactively to pander? Couldn't another character have been pansexual? I dont have a problem with people and their lifestyles, but as my friend Tasha (who is gay in a marriage with her wife who is now transitioning to a male) said when talking about Lando "That's just fucking stupid."
See, I don’t think this is pandering at all. I see it as a natural extension of Lando as a character. To me Lando always read as a pansexual - even before I really knew what sexuality was. Lando for me has always been someone who would fuck anyone and anything at any time, which is why I love him. Smooth as hell to everyone.
I must have missed the part in Empire Strikes Back where he hit on C3PO, made sexual advances towards R2D2, and asked Chewie on a date.
But in all seriousness, the fact that Lando's sexuality has become a focus in a Star Wars film is just ridiculous and makes no sense in the context of Star Wars or his character which was already developed/established in the original trilogy. He didn't need to be reestablished at all, and the fact they chose to do it in the way they did was total pandering.
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We get Solo with "Pando" Calrasian? Did we need to retroactively make Lando different? Why change a character retroactively to pander? Couldn't another character have been pansexual? I dont have a problem with people and their lifestyles, but as my friend Tasha (who is gay in a marriage with her wife who is now transitioning to a male) said when talking about Lando "That's just fucking stupid."
See, I don’t think this is pandering at all. I see it as a natural extension of Lando as a character. To me Lando always read as a pansexual - even before I really knew what sexuality was. Lando for me has always been someone who would fuck anyone and anything at any time, which is why I love him. Smooth as hell to everyone.
I must have missed the part in Empire Strikes Back where he hit on C3PO, made sexual advances towards R2D2, and asked Chewie on a date.
But in all seriousness, the fact that Lando's sexuality has become a focus in a Star Wars film is just ridiculous and makes no sense in the context of Star Wars or his character which was already developed/established in the original trilogy. He didn't need to be reestablished at all, and the fact they chose to do it in the way they did was total pandering.
He still didn't hit on everyone in site in Solo either, he sees something he likes, and he goes for it. Being pan or bi doesn't mean you are attracted to everyone and hit on anything in site, and to suggest as much is reductive. And, besides, he is older and more controlled in Empire. I was definitely doing more flirting when I was 10+ years younger.
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That's the pokemon I was talking about. I highly doubt that the Japanese inventor of Jynx intended to cause offense. Here is a decent read about it.
https://m.bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species:_Jynx
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That's the pokemon I was talking about. I highly doubt that the Japanese inventor of Jynx intended to cause offense. Here is a decent read about it.
https://m.bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species:_Jynx
Just because you don’t mean for something to be offensive doesn’t mean it is not offensive.
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What bikingjahuty said, the fact that they even felt the need to bring up a characters sexuality is an example of pandering. There was no need. Star Wars has never been about exploring sexuality. Its war. In the stars. :P
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That's the pokemon I was talking about. I highly doubt that the Japanese inventor of Jynx intended to cause offense. Here is a decent read about it.
https://m.bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species:_Jynx
Just because you don’t mean for something to be offensive doesn’t mean it is not offensive.
Read the article to understand. The Japanese are baffled that people take offense to things like this.
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We get Solo with "Pando" Calrasian? Did we need to retroactively make Lando different? Why change a character retroactively to pander? Couldn't another character have been pansexual? I dont have a problem with people and their lifestyles, but as my friend Tasha (who is gay in a marriage with her wife who is now transitioning to a male) said when talking about Lando "That's just fucking stupid."
See, I don’t think this is pandering at all. I see it as a natural extension of Lando as a character. To me Lando always read as a pansexual - even before I really knew what sexuality was. Lando for me has always been someone who would fuck anyone and anything at any time, which is why I love him. Smooth as hell to everyone.
I must have missed the part in Empire Strikes Back where he hit on C3PO, made sexual advances towards R2D2, and asked Chewie on a date.
But in all seriousness, the fact that Lando's sexuality has become a focus in a Star Wars film is just ridiculous and makes no sense in the context of Star Wars or his character which was already developed/established in the original trilogy. He didn't need to be reestablished at all, and the fact they chose to do it in the way they did was total pandering.
He still didn't hit on everyone in site in Solo either, he sees something he likes, and he goes for it. Being pan or bi doesn't mean you are attracted to everyone and hit on anything in site, and to suggest as much is reductive. And, besides, he is older and more controlled in Empire. I was definitely doing more flirting when I was 10+ years younger.
Again, something completely unnecessary in a Star Wars film, just as the sexuality of Soldier 76 in Overwatch in unnecessary. Whether gay, bi, pan or whatever - it has no bearing on the characters in the context of the films or games. I dont care if Soldier 76 is banging all the other Overwatch ladies OR the guys. It's irrelevant and only brought up (ie recently fabricated) to try to pander to gamers who may be spending less time playing and moving over to Fortnite.
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We get Solo with "Pando" Calrasian? Did we need to retroactively make Lando different? Why change a character retroactively to pander? Couldn't another character have been pansexual? I dont have a problem with people and their lifestyles, but as my friend Tasha (who is gay in a marriage with her wife who is now transitioning to a male) said when talking about Lando "That's just fucking stupid."
See, I don’t think this is pandering at all. I see it as a natural extension of Lando as a character. To me Lando always read as a pansexual - even before I really knew what sexuality was. Lando for me has always been someone who would fuck anyone and anything at any time, which is why I love him. Smooth as hell to everyone.
I must have missed the part in Empire Strikes Back where he hit on C3PO, made sexual advances towards R2D2, and asked Chewie on a date.
But in all seriousness, the fact that Lando's sexuality has become a focus in a Star Wars film is just ridiculous and makes no sense in the context of Star Wars or his character which was already developed/established in the original trilogy. He didn't need to be reestablished at all, and the fact they chose to do it in the way they did was total pandering.
He still didn't hit on everyone in site in Solo either, he sees something he likes, and he goes for it. Being pan or bi doesn't mean you are attracted to everyone and hit on anything in site, and to suggest as much is reductive. And, besides, he is older and more controlled in Empire. I was definitely doing more flirting when I was 10+ years younger.
It was a joke, lighten up.
But he seemed exclusively interested in Leia from what I remember. I don't see how in anyway his character could be seen as anything but heterosexual from the original trilogy. I would have nothing against him if he wasn't, but I don't see any evidence at all for him being pan or bi in ESB or RotJ. And just because someone is ambitious and "goes for it" does not equate to them being pan or bi. Those are mutually exclusive traits.
One more thing is I'm not against non-hetero characters in fiction or even Star Wars. I thought there was a possibility that Poe might be gay and that might be developed in TLJ, but it turned out that there was zero character development at all in that movie from any character. I typically take the high ground (Star Wars pun) when explaining why I hate TLJ, and don't get into the social and political aspects of it, even though I feel like there are several valid points to be made about those thing in that god awful movie.
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The Last Jedi ruined Star Wars for me. Seriously. My oldest daughter and I went to see it opening weekend. By the time they got to Krait, I was ready to leave the theater. When we left, my daughter looked at me after a long silence and said "That..wasnt very good." And the more I played over in my mind what I had watched, I actually became angry. And when I went online to see if others felt the same way as me and saw people calling them mysoginists and accusing them of hating the empowerment of women and that all of us "cavemen" needed to get used to it, I became confused and even angrier because the empowerment of women wasn't even a complaint.
Leia flying like Superman? Friggin dumb.
Luke drinking blue milk out of a boobie? Friggin dumb.
Space chase till you run out of gas? Friggin dumb.
Literally moments after Force Awakens ended (Ray still holding Luke's lightsaber out to him) and the First Order has suddenly conquered the galaxy in the time it took to finish the screen crawl? Friggin dumb!
That whole movie is friggin dumb! >:(
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The Last Jedi ruined Star Wars for me. Seriously. My oldest daughter and I went to see it opening weekend. By the time they got to Krait, I was ready to leave the theater. When we left, my daughter looked at me after a long silence and said "That..wasnt very good." And the more I played over in my mind what I had watched, I actually became angry. And when I went online to see if others felt the same way as me and saw people calling them mysoginists and accusing them of hating the empowerment of women and that all of us "cavemen" needed to get used to it, I became confused and even angrier because the empowerment of women wasn't even a complaint.
Leia flying like Mary Poppins? Friggin dumb.
Luke drinking blue milk out of a boobie? Friggin dumb.
Space chase till you run out of gas? Friggin dumb.
Literally moments after Force Awakens ended (Ray still holding Luke's lightsaber out to him) and the First Order has suddenly conquered the galaxy in the time it took to finish the screen crawl? Friggin dumb!
That whole movie is friggin dumb! >:(
*fixed
F*ck it I'm rolling with this
Canto Bite- terrible. must we have a scene about how terrible it is for enslaved animals, but F*** the children
Contractors make weapons for both sides- what was the point of that? No seriously other than trying to outdo that scene in Iron Man
General Holdo- (personal gripe)why was she dressed like she was going to formal dinner and not battle? Also if she was a Male and made the dumb decisions of not informing people of her plan you know everyone would hate the character. The whole heroic sacrifice at the end felt unearned
Choosing to not kill off Leia but instead Luke to "subvert expectaions" was terrible for the sheer fact that Carrie Fisher is no longer with us
Killing off Admiral Ackbar- fuck you Roundhead
Force long distance calls- huh what?
Screw you Ruin Roundhead Johnson
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The Last Jedi ruined Star Wars for me. Seriously. My oldest daughter and I went to see it opening weekend. By the time they got to Krait, I was ready to leave the theater. When we left, my daughter looked at me after a long silence and said "That..wasnt very good." And the more I played over in my mind what I had watched, I actually became angry. And when I went online to see if others felt the same way as me and saw people calling them mysoginists and accusing them of hating the empowerment of women and that all of us "cavemen" needed to get used to it, I became confused and even angrier because the empowerment of women wasn't even a complaint.
Leia flying like Superman? Friggin dumb.
Luke drinking blue milk out of a boobie? Friggin dumb.
Space chase till you run out of gas? Friggin dumb.
Literally moments after Force Awakens ended (Ray still holding Luke's lightsaber out to him) and the First Order has suddenly conquered the galaxy in the time it took to finish the screen crawl? Friggin dumb!
That whole movie is friggin dumb! >:(
Your experience pretty much mirrors mine exactly. In fact, the process I went through is well documented in one of the threads in off topic, can't remember which one. But yeah, I felt very conflicted leaving the theater and the more i thought about that movie and processed what I had just seen, the angrier I became. Seeing that at least half the Star Wars fanbase felt the same way was refreshing since it didn't mean I was the crazy one. I still find it hilarious that the only defense this movie has are "the visuals" which are cheap when you break them down, and also the character assassination of people who don't like this movie.
To be frank, The Last Jedi was a huge pile of shit and it single handedly put Star Wars where it is right now. Unlike the leadup to TLJ, Episode 9 has nearly no enthusiasm or hype, and Star Wars as a brand is for the first tie ever failing as indicated by Solo flopping, toy and merch sales being down significantly, Battlefront II being a disaster, and Disney itself attacking fans who didn't like the movie or the direction Star Wars is going. I don't wish failure upon things often, but I hope Episode 9 is a colossal bomb so maybe the current idiot regime at Lucasfilm gets shitcanned and the chance for real talent to step in can take place. Currently though, Disney's Star Wars (ie. The Force Awakens and all subsequent films and EU material based off their re-canon) is dead to me. I've still been enjoying the original 6 movies and all the EU material that Disney has now classified as "Legends" or non-canon, despite it being infinitely better than the pile of crap Disney is currently shitting out.
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The Japanese are baffled that people take offense to things like this.
I live in Japan. And the degree of racism and prejudice I see (and face) daily in Japanese society is far from being acceptable to any country that deems itself to be modern and civilized.
If the Japanese are baffled that Westerners take offense to things like this, I doubt that the offended people should be the ones to be blamed...
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But as I've said before, I consider myself to be a PCSJW anyway...
In time: I also hate The Last Jedi.
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To be frank, The Last Jedi was a huge pile of shit and it single handedly put Star Wars where it is right now. Unlike the leadup to TLJ, Episode 9 has nearly no enthusiasm or hype, and Star Wars as a brand is for the first tie ever failing as indicated by Solo flopping, toy and merch sales being down significantly, Battlefront II being a disaster, and Disney itself attacking fans who didn't like the movie or the direction Star Wars is going.
Following Solo which is a spinoff, this is the first numbered Star Wars film that I'm not hyped to go see and in fact, will not be going to see at the theater. IF Episode IX ends up correcting course and IF the real Star Wars fans come away saying it was great, I may give it a chance. But those are very big ifs.
And I would also like to take a moment to say that my problems with Ray have nothing to do with her being a strong lead. My problem(s) is that an interesting character with inborn abilities and an affinity for the Force that in fact, the spirits of dead Jedi lead to Luke's lightsaber and help is tossed away like trash. Instead of being a prodigy, an offspring of a Jedi, a reincarnation of Anakin or any other number of cool possibilities, she's the child of drunks on a backwater shithole planet who traded her in for booze money. Come the fuck on!
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IF the real Star Wars fans come away saying it was great, I may give it a chance.
But who are you to determine who is a “real” Star Wars fan? I was planning on staying out of the conversation until this statement, but that is some real gatekeeper bullshit.
I personally like TLJ a lot. It certainly has flaws and I have some issues - some of which are mentioned in this thread, but it is easily my favorite of the Disney SW films. And I’ve been a Star Wars fan for over two decades. I have a Rebel Alliance tattoo. I devoured the novels. I played the card games. I defended parts of the prequels far longer than I should have. Am I not a “real” fan?
I like it mainly because while it does have issues the things it does well it does so well that it offsets those problems.
Take your suggestions for Rey: I hate them. Every single one of them. I still have some niggling issues with her as a character, but making her some unknown Jedi off spring or clone? Or whatever the hell? All that does is serve to narrow the scope of a story that should span the galaxy. Her having a dirt poor, shitty unknown past? I’m down with that.
TLJ, for whatever issues it may have, showed me a galaxy where anything could happen, and I was on the edge of my seat (mostly) wondering what the hell was going to happen next.
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By real fans, let me clarify the people who actually saw the film and started their opinions about it versus the critics who adored it. There is a huge disparity there with the overwhelming majority of moviegoers who did not enjoy the film. So you can save the indignity as I was not trying to insult your tastes or say you aren't a fan or be a gatekeeper for a product I don't own or have control over.
Im glad you have been a fan for over two decades. With that being said, a bit of background for you. I saw the 1st movie in the theater with my dad back in '77. So, I've been a fan for over Forty fucking years. I've seen every single one pre-Solo in the theater, most multiple times including the 1997 re-releases. I own and have owned more Star Wars swag than I should have, enough money's worth to buy a small house or a nice new car.
And I didnt state my opinions as fact. I made it clear I personally think Last Jedi is shit. I started my reasons for it. Tell me please, what you think this film did so well? Turning all the Male characters into arrogant assholes (Poe), whipping boys (Hux), stuttering sleazeballs (Del Toro's character), cannon fodder (all other Rebel men), etc? Making all the female Rebels the heroic sacrifices? Shaming Chewbacca for being a carnivore?
How about the nonsensical space chase, waiting for the Rebels to run out of fucking gas? Why not have another ship do a hyperspace jump ahead of them and just wait for them to show up?
How did we go from a Rebel victory despite their capital planet being blown up by the relatively small (compared to the Empire) First Order to them dominating the galaxy and crushing the republic... ALL IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES REY TO HAND LUKE A LIGHTSABER?! And while we are on the subject of Luke, regardless of being disenfranchised with the Jedi and acting like a complete out-of-character prick, would he really just toss his pops lightsaber over his shoulder & down a cliff? I dont think so. With his and his fathers own tumultuous relationship with the force, would he just try to off his own nephew because he sensed some darkness? Come the fuck on.
There are many other obnoxious things in this film. Maz the bartender is suddenly negotiating trade disputes? Kylo is a whiny emo bitch who pouts because Snoke insulted his helmet? Force-Facetime across the galaxy? Absolutely zero character building or development. Who is Snoke? Who cares, off him! Who is Phasma, who cares, throw her in a burning pit!
On board the ship when Admiral Purple -Hair lady (Yes, I know her name is Holdo) jumps through the First Order flagship at the exact moment Finn is getting ready to be executed, all the Stormtroopers are killed and Phasma gets warped to safety all the way on the other side of the hangar. And Finn & company are miraculously unharmed! WTF is going on right here?!
Sorry, in my opinion and the majority of other moviegoers, Last Jedi was and is a steaming pile of shit that crapped upon everything that made Star Wars so enjoyable to people like me for over forty years.
And if you dont like my opinion, fine. Even Luke Skywalker himself, Mark Hamill hated the script and said he fundamentally disagrees with everything they did to Luke's character.
Rian Johnson set out to make a movie full of his own political and social agendas and Star Wars has suffered for it. Han Solo was a box office bomb compared to every previous film in the series and resulted in plans for other standalone films being put on the back burner or scrapped altogether.
So if you dont believe that the vast majority of fans are unhappy with the direction they are going or that is some real gatekeeper bullshit right there, you are delusional. The financial impact to Disney & Lucasfilm is in print for all to see. Obviously, it's not a small group of misogynist trolls to have so affected a huge franchise.
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Oh, and I was on the edge of my seat during Last Jedi too. On the edge ready to walk out of that dumpster fire of a film.
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Oh, and I was on the edge of my seat during Last Jedi too. On the edge ready to walk out of that dumpster fire of a film.
LMAO!
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By real fans, let me clarify the people who actually saw the film and started their opinions about it versus the critics who adored it. There is a huge disparity there with the overwhelming majority of moviegoers who did not enjoy the film.
There’s a lot of stuff that you don’t like about the film, which is fine. You are entitled to your opinion, but there are people out there who also legitimately love the movie - and are “real” fans. In the interest of keeping this from derailing any further I’ll list something I love about the film along with something I despise, just so we have baseline understanding of where I stand with it.
I love Rey and Kylo’s journey / relationship. I can accept the “face-timing” because long distance force communication has always been a thing. This is just more refined. If Kylo can stop a blaster bolt in TFA, I can get down with this.
I hate that Rose interrupts Finn’s heroic sacrifice. It completely derails his general character arc, in addition to endangering the lives of the few remaining resistance. I’m not the biggest fan of Canto Bite to start with, but I can live with it. This however. Terrible. Especially when followed up with the kiss.
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And to lighten it up a tad
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And to lighten it up a tad
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Lol. Definitely the worst!
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This went from a thread about a controversial and serious issue to people arguing over Star Wars
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Hey, that's cool. But do we have to alter things that already exist to further an agenda?
Yes, we fucking DO, you micro-aggressing -ist. Check your privelege and get out of my safe space, I need to dye my hair rainbow and find the next part of my anatomy that needs piercing. Spleen?
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I find that, more often than not, a lot of the backlash against "PC culture" tends to be either wildly taken out of context or based simply on strawman arguments. In fact, almost all of the examples you list are perfect examples of people basically making up PC incidents or taking the arguments out of context. For one thing, you go on a huge rant about all of the minorities your buddies with, and for what? Did you really feel that listing all of the things you do that you see as somehow politically correct would somehow strengthen your argument?
"Butthurt over gilette commerical" They were not, and in fact almost all of the people showing backlash towards it were on the far right
Nobody was offended by Christmas.Nobody. The whole Rudolph thing was a meme!
"Baby it's cold outside isn't a song about date rape" Agains, the outrage you're portraying here didn't actually happen, and to play devil's advocate: The song itself directly references the idea of date rape!
"Nobody cares if Solider 76 is gay" So what's the big deal then? If his sexuality is not relevant, why must he be seen as straight by default?
I'm not sick of PC culture nearly as much as people who are pushing this manufactured outrage towards it. If you want to oppose something I am at the very least going to expect you to argue against it in good faith instead of creating a characiture that's easier to knock down.
Also, it isn't altering something to retroactively assign a character a sexuality if they did not have one to begin with. Straight is not the default sexuality!
I don't see how criticizing the whole pledge of allegiance thing was even releated to PC groups. I see pointing out how creepy it is that we make kids declare their worship for their country every morning a simple criticism of how society functions. Why bring that up when it is not even related to the topic at hand?
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For one thing, you go on a huge rant about all of the minorities your buddies with, and for what? Did you really feel that listing all of the things you do that you see as somehow politically correct would somehow strengthen your argument?
Yeah people don't like to be called bigot, misogynist, or racist either and that is honestly the fastest (but possibly not the best) answer to give someone who freaking out in your face calling you those because you told a joke, said you don't like a certain movie artist/genre of music, or said you just don't get something.
"Butthurt over gilette commerical" They were not, and in fact almost all of the people showing backlash towards it were on the far right
I suggest reading this article to know why people are posted off for that commercial. Personally I really like this quote from it to quickly describe why I don't like the commercial beside that the commercial sounded like it was talking down to its consumer base.
"Men are constantly barraged with criticism. “Men are the worst” has gotten old. The word masculinity is only preceded by the word “toxic” these days."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/20/that-idiotic-gillette-ad-may-have-turned-the-tide-on-toxic-masculinity/
Also from personal experience I remember being around two fights that broke out. One was between 2 guys or the theft of a wallet and "herbal substances" and the other was last year between 2 women where one basically got called a whore and I had to help break it up because children were outside to witness it and help my neighbor. her boyfriend wasn't there and it was between her cousin and her friend. It was the most trailer park trash thing I have witness.
Nobody was offended by Christmas.Nobody. The whole Rudolph thing was a meme!
Yeah this was no meme people were legit upset and I was hearing about it on the radio at work for days
"Baby it's cold outside isn't a song about date rape" Agains, the outrage you're portraying here didn't actually happen, and to play devil's advocate: The song itself directly references the idea of date rape!
(Wikipedia which has the reference for the paragraph)
"During the 1940s, whenever Hollywood celebrities attended parties, they were expected to perform. In 1944, Loesser wrote "Baby, It's Cold Outside" to sing with his wife, Lynn Garland, at their housewarming party in New York City at the Navarro Hotel. They sang the song to indicate to guests that it was time to leave." Yeah the song was not about date rape
"Nobody cares if Solider 76 is gay" So what's the big deal then? If his sexuality is not relevant, why must he be seen as straight by default?
Now I'm no tin foil hat conspirator but, this came out a few days after the CFO of Blizzard was fired, then executives and the founder of Blizzard left the company. Not to mention hypothetically it was probably being penned after the Diablo Immortal fiasco. I dunno just seems a little too coincidental for me.
I'm not sick of PC culture nearly as much as people who are pushing this manufactured outrage towards it. If you want to oppose something I am at the very least going to expect you to argue against it in good faith instead of creating a characiture that's easier to knock down.
I can say the same about the manufactured outrage created by "PC culture" such as being called a misogynist for thinking Ghostbusters 2016 looked like a bad movie from the trailers and how they were deleting criticism of the trailers.
Also, it isn't altering something to retroactively assign a character a sexuality if they did not have one to begin with. Straight is not the default sexuality!
In a weird way it kind of is since reproduction requires 2 people of the opposite sex and everyone on earth is living proof of that. Saying that does not mean I see anything wrong with people wanting to have a clam jam or play hide the pickle.
I don't see how criticizing the whole pledge of allegiance thing was even releated to PC groups. I see pointing out how creepy it is that we make kids declare their worship for their country every morning a simple criticism of how society functions. Why bring that up when it is not even related to the topic at hand?
Did I miss where this got brought up?
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Yeah people don't like to be called bigot, misogynist, or racist either and that is honestly the fastest (but possibly not the best) answer to give someone who freaking out in your face calling you those because you told a joke, said you don't like a certain movie artist/genre of music, or said you just don't get something.
Not particularly relevant. There was no one accusing the man of being any of those things yet.
I suggest reading this article to know why people are posted off for that commercial. Personally I really like this quote from it to quickly describe why I don't like the commercial beside that the commercial sounded like it was talking down to its consumer base.
"Men are constantly barraged with criticism. “Men are the worst” has gotten old. The word masculinity is only preceded by the word “toxic” these days."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/20/that-idiotic-gillette-ad-may-have-turned-the-tide-on-toxic-masculinity/
Also from personal experience I remember being around two fights that broke out. One was between 2 guys or the theft of a wallet and "herbal substances" and the other was last year between 2 women where one basically got called a whore and I had to help break it up because children were outside to witness it and help my neighbor. her boyfriend wasn't there and it was between her cousin and her friend. It was the most trailer park trash thing I have witness.
I'm not sure how you interpreted my post because we are not talking about the same thing. OP was accusing "PC warriors" of being angry about the Gilette commerical when that was not what happened. Whether they were right in doing so is not being discussed, but the fact is that the people who were offended by the commerical were not at all connected to "SJW" movements, and OP was being dishonest by trying to act as if they were.
Yeah this was no meme people were legit upset and I was hearing about it on the radio at work for days
Yeah, I've heard plenty of pretentious pieces written by actual paid talkers about this supposed war on christmas and how Rudolph is being trashed by PC culture. Certainly never met anyone who was actually mad though!
Now I'm no tin foil hat conspirator but, this came out a few days after the CFO of Blizzard was fired, then executives and the founder of Blizzard left the company. Not to mention hypothetically it was probably being penned after the Diablo Immortal fiasco. I dunno just seems a little too coincidental for me.
Blizzard is indeed a shitty company, but the idea that them making their characters gay was some kind of attempt at damage control is indeed a conspiracy theory without much of a base to it.
I can say the same about the manufactured outrage created by "PC culture" such as being called a misogynist for thinking Ghostbusters 2016 looked like a bad movie from the trailers and how they were deleting criticism of the trailers.
Both things are bad. Reactives swarm either side of the spectrum and that's something people forget when complaining about the evil SJWs
In a weird way it kind of is since reproduction requires 2 people of the opposite sex and everyone on earth is living proof of that. Saying that does not mean I see anything wrong with people wanting to have a clam jam or play hide the pickle.
Your logic is...strange. The fact that two people had to screw to produce a baby does absolutely nothing to indicate what that child's sexuality will turn out to be. A character's sexuality is still ambigous until stated otherwise; especially since, y'know, there still happens to be hundreds of people who are attracted to both sexes.
Yeah, the whole pledge of allegiance thing was in a seperate reply by OP
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Video games were better when every protagonist was a white straight male.
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Video games were better when every protagonist was a white straight male.
Don’t be a dick for the sake of being a dick.
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Video games were better when every protagonist was a white straight male.
Don’t be a dick for the sake of being a dick.
Legitimate opinion about the topic at hand.
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I loved DOOM Eternal's approach to this.
"Remember: ‘Demon’ can be an offensive term, refer to them as ‘mortally challenged'".