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Virus has gotten really bad now and destroyed the fabric of our society
emporerdragon:
--- Quote from: leonefamily on May 21, 2021, 11:28:59 pm ---Also, someone mentioned that there were milk shortages in the US during the pandemic. I am very surprised, because we never had any sort of milk shortage here, at least in Québec.
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In the early months of the pandemic, where I worked and other stores in the area had problems keeping milk on the shelves, but it was never a supply shortage, it was an intelligence shortage. The same morons trying to buy 20 packs of toilet paper were also trying to buy 20 gallons of milk, forcing stores to put limits just so other people could have a fair chance. I got screamed at quite a few times because people somehow couldn't make 2 gallons last more than 2 days at their house.
tripredacus:
--- Quote from: leonefamily on May 21, 2021, 11:28:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: tripredacus on April 13, 2020, 11:59:49 am ---
--- Quote from: 98dgreen on April 13, 2020, 10:39:38 am ---I am pretty sure dairy farms normally dump milk anyway to keep prices high.
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Not in Canada!
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Sorry for bumping an old thread but do you americans have canadian milk on your shelves? Here in Québec we only have milk from Québec, not even from the rest of canada. Except in 2018 Walmart started importing Fairlife american milk in canada (as well as Québec) and there were huge boycotts over here, it was a big deal. Nowadays Walmart still stocks Fairlife milk but in small quantities and literally not a single soul buys them to this day (I work at Walmart, I can confirm). What were they thinking? We literally have the best milk in the world, they really expected canadians to buy shitty american milk? It is so insulting to us, you have no idea. It's like if I go to France and start shoving cheap american wine in their face and do ad campaigns that try to replace their high quality French wine with shitty american ones.
Also, someone mentioned that there were milk shortages in the US during the pandemic. I am very surprised, because we never had any sort of milk shortage here, at least in Québec. That's what happens when you import everything.
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I listen to radio stations in Ontario and recently they've been talking about how Quebec is making moves (again) at independence from Canada.
Also there was never any milk shortage in the US. Last year there was a big news story about how a dairy had to dump a bunch of milk, but it was misrepresented as being something that caused a shortage. But people in the dairy industry were mad at the story because they said that the thing the news reported on was a standard practice and wasn't what they said.
pzeke:
--- Quote from: tripredacus on May 24, 2021, 08:13:35 am ---I listen to radio stations in Ontario and recently they've been talking about how Quebec is making moves (again) at independence from Canada.
Also there was never any milk shortage in the US. Last year there was a big news story about how a dairy had to dump a bunch of milk, but it was misrepresented as being something that caused a shortage. But people in the dairy industry were mad at the story because they said that the thing the news reported on was a standard practice and wasn't what they said.
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No offense to my fellow Québécois, but just like Texas will never secede from the US, Québec's sovereignty will never come to pass and will remain part of Canada for centuries to come. Not sure why you even brought that up in the first place, but hey, I'm already here, so might as well add fuel to the flame.
Anyway, I don't know who exactly said that dumping milk is "standard practice", but that's quite the misconception. The dumping of milk has indeed happened before, but it has happened on a case-by-case basis (i.e. bad weather, a sudden glut, or when supply goes bad). Farmers were forced to dump milk on a level that was previously unheard of, for the first time in decades for many. The fact the pandemic struck during flush season and schools and restaurants closed their doors didn't help the situation much. The dairy industry was already in a frangible state, too, so the pandemic was a crushing blow. As far as I read, the dairy industry was also impacted in Canada since farmers also had to dump milk.
Going back to what leonefamily said, American milk isn't exactly an exemplary product, especially when we take into consideration all the processing stages behind its production, it's pretty much a watered down supplement. Then again, milk isn't exactly the elixir it has been made out to be, anyway, so...
sworddude:
--- Quote from: pzeke on May 25, 2021, 09:49:48 am ---
--- Quote from: tripredacus on May 24, 2021, 08:13:35 am ---I listen to radio stations in Ontario and recently they've been talking about how Quebec is making moves (again) at independence from Canada.
Also there was never any milk shortage in the US. Last year there was a big news story about how a dairy had to dump a bunch of milk, but it was misrepresented as being something that caused a shortage. But people in the dairy industry were mad at the story because they said that the thing the news reported on was a standard practice and wasn't what they said.
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No offense to my fellow Québécois, but just like Texas will never secede from the US, Québec's sovereignty will never come to pass and will remain part of Canada for centuries to come. Not sure why you even brought that up in the first place, but hey, I'm already here, so might as well add fuel to the flame.
Anyway, I don't know who exactly said that dumping milk is "standard practice", but that's quite the misconception. The dumping of milk has indeed happened before, but it has happened on a case-by-case basis (i.e. bad weather, a sudden glut, or when supply goes bad). Farmers were forced to dump milk on a level that was previously unheard of, for the first time in decades for many. The fact the pandemic struck during flush season and schools and restaurants closed their doors didn't help the situation much. The dairy industry was already in a frangible state, too, so the pandemic was a crushing blow. As far as I read, the dairy industry was also impacted in Canada since farmers also had to dump milk.
Going back to what leonefamily said, American milk isn't exactly an exemplary product, especially when we take into consideration all the processing stages behind its production, it's pretty much a watered down supplement. Then again, milk isn't exactly the elixir it has been made out to be, anyway, so...
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In europe dumping milk in multiple countries is a standard practice. Each farmer has a limit how much milk they can sell per year. if they get over that they They'll flush the the excess down the drain since they would otherwise get fines. There is not enough demand for the excess milk and it would turn bad otherwise.
You can't stop cows from producing milk so overflow usually happens. Could be different in the US but over here dumping milk always happens.
Obviously the amount of milk dumped varies from year per year. It's all about supply and demand market price etc.
I'm sure during a pandemic with less demand more milk is being dumped aka less milk being sold than usual but it's a pretty standard practice during normal times aswell.
tripredacus:
--- Quote from: pzeke on May 25, 2021, 09:49:48 am ---
--- Quote from: tripredacus on May 24, 2021, 08:13:35 am ---I listen to radio stations in Ontario and recently they've been talking about how Quebec is making moves (again) at independence from Canada.
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No offense to my fellow Québécois, but just like Texas will never secede from the US, Québec's sovereignty will never come to pass and will remain part of Canada for centuries to come. Not sure why you even brought that up in the first place, but hey, I'm already here, so might as well add fuel to the flame.
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Whether it has full support or not, there are mechanations to achieve it and may end up manifesting in various markets in ways you wouldn't think. One such would be to limit supply to inter-provincial companies. One step towards independence would be to become self-sufficient in some ways and this would include planning on limiting "imports" from other provinces where possible. Perhaps you already do this and I know that Quebec has been wanting to be on their own for decades.
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