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Would You Rather Gamble Your Money Or Donate To A Better Cause? Or?
marvelvscapcom2:
I am not a pot user by any means, never touched the stuff because I don't like the smell but for some people that 500 dollars on CDC oil or weed is the difference between suffering from their glaucoma and happiness of life. Some could easily say spending money on lottery tickets is about like spending 2,000 dollars a day on video games from the 80s knowing with a library that big the new game will get played and the other thousand will be neglected. Left to be looked at. So I try not to judge people when I spend thoisands on toys. We all could be doing more for others and less for ourselves. So in that sense you are right and your heart is in a good place oldgamerz :) Don't let the naysayers derail what you meant. But also to answer I did donate to #teamseas. It's a beautiful cause and I hope you look into it.
Oh god. I just found the "addiction is a disease" guy lol. I better leave this thread before I disagree with 2 people. Ask the children dying at St. Lukes if they had the choice to not boot the cancer in their viens if they had taken that and come back with that stupid selfish argument. It's not a disease, it's an action. Ive been hooked on video games to an unhealthy level. To the point id see Call of Duty in my dreams and have withdrawls if I was out. And id never compare that to the millions dying in a pandemic of all times. It's with no exaggeration disrespectful. Scientifically by the way a disease is classified and ethically. I had a choice. Lottery addicts had and still have a choice. And people with disease don't and never did.
telly:
--- Quote from: oldgamerz on December 17, 2021, 04:58:52 pm ---Telly? it says you are a PRO SUPPORTER to this website, so I don't see why you'd want to stick up for the lottery, don't you support this website? instead of a lottery ticket you know you could give that money to VGcollect, I can't because I don't have the extra money to be a PRO supporter, it does not need to be for the homeless or children. if you don't want your extra 25USD or $5 I'm sure VGcollect could use it for supporting this site,
I don't mean to treat you like this because I see your point to some degree of people having diseases is but it clearly shows you ARE a Donator so I don't see your issue with me :-\
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My point is that if you want to buy a lottery ticket for fun, that's your decision and your right. Yes, there are people who spend money on things like that when they can't really afford it. That's the case for everything you can spend money on. Cars, drugs, collectables, video games, alcohol, on and on and on. People who need help with managing finances in a way that benefits their health and the health of their families and dependents should also be provided such services and not be treated like second class citizens.
But your posts show me that you are judgmental of people who suffer from addiction diseases AND people who spend their expendable income on entertainment that you don't agree with. Whether people are "charitable" or not isn't really relevant, you can donate to charity and buy a lottery ticket at the same time.
And you're judging me when I've actually never bought a lottery ticket in my entire life and you have no clue what my spending habits actually look like. ???
telly:
--- Quote from: marvelvscapcom2 on December 17, 2021, 05:14:11 pm ---Oh god. I just found the "addiction is a disease" guy lol. I better leave this thread before I disagree with 2 people. Ask the children dying at St. Lukes if they had the choice to not boot the cancer in their viens if they had taken that and come back with that stupid selfish argument. It's not a disease, it's an action. Ive been hooked on video games to an unhealthy level. To the point id see Call of Duty in my dreams and have withdrawls if I was out. And id never compare that to the millions dying in a pandemic of all times. It's with no exaggeration disrespectful. Scientifically by the way a disease is classified and ethically. I had a choice. Lottery addicts had and still have a choice. And people with disease don't and never did.
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Have you read the DSM-V? Have you read anything regarding scientific and medical consensus regarding addictions disease, treatment and diagnosis over the past three decades? You have got to be kidding me.
You can also get cancer because of your "actions" FYI, like smoking. Does that make it not a disease?
Also what strange logic. Is a common cold not a disease because it's not as bad as cancer? Give me a break.
marvelvscapcom2:
--- Quote from: telly on December 17, 2021, 05:19:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: marvelvscapcom2 on December 17, 2021, 05:14:11 pm ---Oh god. I just found the "addiction is a disease" guy lol. I better leave this thread before I disagree with 2 people. Ask the children dying at St. Lukes if they had the choice to not boot the cancer in their viens if they had taken that and come back with that stupid selfish argument. It's not a disease, it's an action. Ive been hooked on video games to an unhealthy level. To the point id see Call of Duty in my dreams and have withdrawls if I was out. And id never compare that to the millions dying in a pandemic of all times. It's with no exaggeration disrespectful. Scientifically by the way a disease is classified and ethically. I had a choice. Lottery addicts had and still have a choice. And people with disease don't and never did.
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Have you read the DSM-V? Have you read anything regarding scientific and medical consensus regarding addictions disease, treatment and diagnosis over the past three decades? You have got to be kidding me.
Also what strange logic. Is a common cold not a disease because it's not as bad as cancer? Give me a break.
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Sorry for getting passionate Telly. Just lost loved ones to both. In different ways so maybe the topic hits a nerve. I've read about the nuerological symptoms that mimmic disease in a drug addict. But that falls under "illness" not disease which I won't argue. But diseases like cold you mentioned are not only intrusive molecularly but also non consensual. Addicts have these symptons for one reason. Because they put drugs or stimuli into their system. People with disease have it because nature itself put that disease in them or hereditary factors they didnt ask for. I just find it hard to accept the guy scratching tickets in his F350 which is a luxury to begin with sit on some.soap box during a pandemic and look me with a straight face and tell me that he is on par with aids disease, cancer, ALS and any other thing is baffling to me.
But that is the beauty of life Telly and I really like you as a person :) We can agree and disagree. But while I would never bash addicts or anyone for their troubles because I do know how scary and hard that can be. I just disagree on the verbaige and classifications. Which is fine. But it's christmas soon and I do want to take it back so oldgamerz thread doesn't get locked. I apologize to all.
With that said. I guess we should all donate more and spurge less but we are all human. I do appreciate oldgamerz having the concerns for others :)
telly:
If you read the DSM-V, which provides the standard taxonomy and diagnostic criteria of all mental disorders (at least in the United States), there are diagnoses for many different substance abuse and behavioral disorders. The overwhelming scientific and medical majority, including NIDA, is that addictions is a disease and should be treated as such. You're talking about "neurologic symptoms" as if those symptoms are somehow not indicative of a disease just like any other symptom is. Addiction changes the way your brain works so that it's more difficult to stop, and we've known that for many years. It's just as much of a pathologic change to normal function like any other disease.
Even if this weren't the case, and addiction wasn't a disease, I'm not quite understanding your fixation on "ranking" these things and then using that to arbitrarily decide which conditions are worth treating and which ones we can ignore and blame the individual for. Even though you said you would never bash addicts, you still say that they "have a choice" as if only the people who didn't "choose" their disease deserve treatment or even compassion. Like I said earlier, many diseases are a result of both a person's actions and other factors that are beyond an individual's control, both biologic and socioeconomic. It's just inaccurate to take such a hardline black and white approach to things, and in my opinion it's a very harmful way of viewing disease and illness.
Even video games are being evaluated for their ability to be addicting, though I don't think there's enough evidence yet to add it to the DSM-V. It's still being studied.
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