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dhaabi:
--- Quote from: Cartagia on January 17, 2024, 10:20:39 am ---Just to clarify what I'm hearing, are talking maximum budget or minimum budget? I know that what we've got now are mostly a set of recurring participants who all generally know what to expect, but just based on human nature, the lack of a minimum means that someone will in almost all certainly will really really undershoot the value of what they send.
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There isn't a "maximum budget" or a "minimum budget," but instead a budget. Therefore, someone's total money spent is either under-budget or over-budget. From the feedback received in the discussion (ignoring the initial polling results), the budget seems to be either unimportant, unable to be enforced, or both.
I agree that such thinking warrants low-valued gifts being sent, but that seems to be the general opinion. I see only one bare thread of silver lining to the opinion, which is that those who generally sign up are longtime, repeating participants who take care in curating gifts their giftee wants and will appreciate. But, without a budget, it would not be surprising to see the opposite. Such opinion will almost certainly deter anyone interested, both first-time and returning members, from joining in any future event.
Here is a comment I made earlier, which people either don't agree with or may have overlooked:
--- Quote from: dhaabi on January 11, 2024, 11:05:00 am ---The 10% and 20% over-budget percentages mentioned are examples and not meant to exclusively apply to VGC's Secret Santa event but instead to all similar events. Obviously, budgets for these sort of gift-giving events vary largely, so that added value may or may not be noticeable. With that said, any over-budget expenses aren't meant to be noticeable, because the funds spent across all parties are meant to be of equal value. If it is noticeable, then too much money was spent.
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sworddude:
--- Quote from: dhaabi on January 17, 2024, 09:51:09 am ---
Question: Yes or no: shipping costs should be included with the agreed upon spending limit.
Choice 1: Yes. Shipping costs should be considered to be a part of the agreed upon spending limit. 50%
Choice 2: No. Shipping costs should not be considered to be a part of the agreed upon spending limit. 50%
Of the general questions my feedback form asked, this question was the only to receive 50-50 split results. So, there is clearly a divide among participants' opinions.
However, after the previous topic question about the budget which was discussed at some length, I don't know how pressing this issue is. At first, it seemed to be important, but the discussion about the budget has voiced a majority opinion that there should be no budget. So, if there is no budget, then the matter of shipping being included as part of it or not becomes irrelevant.
Nevertheless, I've introduced it as a matter to discuss. Whether you agree or disagree with the above question, why is that?
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There should be a budget, it's just that there doesn't have to be much of a guideline if people decide to go over it.
dhaabi:
--- Quote from: sworddude on January 17, 2024, 10:47:04 am ---
--- Quote from: dhaabi on January 17, 2024, 09:51:09 am ---However, after the previous topic question about the budget which was discussed at some length, I don't know how pressing this issue is. At first, it seemed to be important, but the discussion about the budget has voiced a majority opinion that there should be no budget. So, if there is no budget, then the matter of shipping being included as part of it or not becomes irrelevant.
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There should be a budget, it's just that there doesn't have to be much of a guideline if people decide to go over it.
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This goes against the basic principles of both a budget and a gift-exchange event. Budgets are meant to be adhered to as close as possible. Meanwhile, budgets are often set for gift-exchange events so that every participant receives an equal value gift. So, naturally, if one is allowed to go over-budget but is still expected to send a gift of equal value, that allowance should be minimal. If 0% is the agreed-upon budget, then one should aim to keep the additional percentage as low as they can.
I will also mention another comment I previously made:
--- Quote from: dhaabi on January 11, 2024, 11:05:00 am ---With that said, if somebody does want to noticeably go over-budget, there is absolutely nothing stopping them from sending additional items outside of the Secret Santa gift-giving exchange. After all, they already have the required shipping information. So, if someone is wanting to send extra gifts or gifts of higher value, we could easily encourage for them to do so separate from the public gift-giving exchange and in private. Or, if items are all wanting to be shipped together in one package to save on shipping costs, items could be clearly marked as may be shared with public and do not share with public. This would allow for everyone who joins any live gift-opening event or who posts publicly about their gifts to all remain within the same general level of value spent and value received.
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dhaabi:
--- Quote from: dhaabi on January 17, 2024, 09:51:09 am ---
Question: Yes or no: shipping costs should be included with the agreed upon spending limit.
Choice 1: Yes. Shipping costs should be considered to be a part of the agreed upon spending limit. 50%
Choice 2: No. Shipping costs should not be considered to be a part of the agreed upon spending limit. 50%
Of the general questions my feedback form asked, this question was the only to receive 50-50 split results. So, there is clearly a divide among participants' opinions.
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I'm reposting this. I will treat every topic question individually, with no influence from other discussions or polling results. This will allow for a more focused discussion for each issue.
Whether you agree or disagree with the above question, why is that?
Cartagia:
Shipping can be pricey, and I like to give people as much stuff as I can from their lists, so I don't want that biting into the budget.
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