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Does anyone know what causes yellowing without sunlight?
sworddude:
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on May 03, 2025, 10:26:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: sworddude on May 01, 2025, 12:06:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on April 30, 2025, 07:54:41 pm ---I've raved about this for ages. It's the nature of paper when it's a pure white variety. Over time, with environmental factors accelerating the issue, the chemical compound of the paper breaks down and looses it's vibrant white appearance. It doesn't necessarily turn yellow, it just becomes less and less vivid as it breaks down and becomes less stable. Compared to the white plastic of the case, it will look like a different color eventually.
Has happened not only to my Wii artwork, also my Sega Saturn artwork, Dreamcast artwork, the white banners on Xbox 360 games, PS5 games, etc. Anything vivid white, will eventually become dingier white over time. A lot of my PS5 games are already doing this. I live in an environment where air humidity levels tend to fluctuate from dry to normal-borderline damp, and that's a nightmare scenario for thin little slips of high gloss paper. Hell, all of my handheld console screens turn yellow over time too, because of these dry to damp shifts. It's a common problem in Japan due to their climate conditions as well.
You have two options. Just accept this shit will turn dingy and look bad, because you know it's something that happens outside of your control. Or, use a scanner to do high-res scans of all of your artwork (avoid the low-res crap found on most websites, because it'll look like a cheap counterfeit), photo edit to tweak the dingy tint back to white, then reprint all of your artwork. It'll be good for a while, but it'll just happen again eventually. Still, you can do a refresh as many times as you'd like ones you've got all your stuff archived...
A third option, buy some cream colored DVD cases?
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I think there is definitely some control
cause in most cases wii covers are still white. this is not the normal, maybe after a hell lot more time has past but not in the current era.
even with people that don't give a shit and treat wii poorly covers are still white in most cases. I don't think wii covers are as fragile as comic books or some of that old toy cardboard. let alone ps2 covers in europe which all have white backsides. most if not all are still white. only time they get yellowed is when people actually get dirty with em. smudge insane sun damage etc didn't happen by itselves.
if this was an actual issue that happened out of nowhere people be complaining for days. just ain't it. poor storage, maybe said guy living in a humid environment it definitely didn't happen out of nowhere
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It's a similar reason why people keep pictures under glass. If they didn't, the pictures would fade eventually. If you have an old book sitting around, you'll probably notice the tips of the pages look dingy compared to the pages which have been kept closed. Many types of paper when exposed to air, will eventually disrupt the chemical composition and alter the appearance. It doesn't exactly indicate that it's been abused or mistreated, a lot of times very normal use and storage can result in this outcome. Folks who ended up with cheddar cheese Super Nintendo systems didn't abuse them, the composition in the plastics were triggered by the environment, resulting in a color change over time. Other Super Nintendo systems made of a different plastic, won't do this even if it was in the very same environment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7YgfdWffh0
Random collection video as an example, but I can notice that a lot of the artwork shown here is darker than the white of the plastic cases, and that's what OP is talking about. The covers are technically still "white", it's just not a vibrant white anymore, it's more of a cream color. This is typical and only becoming more common with Wii collections.
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Have you seen the pic the op send? his mario kart turned yellow.
This is not normal, nor is it common at all. unless usa wii games are shitty quality compared to pal land. but haven't seen it all that much on ebay or with my own usa wii games
if this was somewhat common sizable wii collections would have turned yellow by now.
also wii cases never had identical color to the plastic cases. they are close but not the same.
Also imo I don't think wii covers have changed color from when they where brand new and if thy did it's a very small diff that I don't notice.
i agree with you on super nes and nes consoles but this ain't it. and with snes consoles it's mainly usage and it getting hot. cause it's always the consoles that are barely used in plastic that are still nice and grey. unless you are lucky with certain plastic revisions of the snes it's gonna turn yellow when you use it to some degree.
Warmsignal:
--- Quote from: sworddude on May 04, 2025, 07:49:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on May 03, 2025, 10:26:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: sworddude on May 01, 2025, 12:06:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on April 30, 2025, 07:54:41 pm ---I've raved about this for ages. It's the nature of paper when it's a pure white variety. Over time, with environmental factors accelerating the issue, the chemical compound of the paper breaks down and looses it's vibrant white appearance. It doesn't necessarily turn yellow, it just becomes less and less vivid as it breaks down and becomes less stable. Compared to the white plastic of the case, it will look like a different color eventually.
Has happened not only to my Wii artwork, also my Sega Saturn artwork, Dreamcast artwork, the white banners on Xbox 360 games, PS5 games, etc. Anything vivid white, will eventually become dingier white over time. A lot of my PS5 games are already doing this. I live in an environment where air humidity levels tend to fluctuate from dry to normal-borderline damp, and that's a nightmare scenario for thin little slips of high gloss paper. Hell, all of my handheld console screens turn yellow over time too, because of these dry to damp shifts. It's a common problem in Japan due to their climate conditions as well.
You have two options. Just accept this shit will turn dingy and look bad, because you know it's something that happens outside of your control. Or, use a scanner to do high-res scans of all of your artwork (avoid the low-res crap found on most websites, because it'll look like a cheap counterfeit), photo edit to tweak the dingy tint back to white, then reprint all of your artwork. It'll be good for a while, but it'll just happen again eventually. Still, you can do a refresh as many times as you'd like ones you've got all your stuff archived...
A third option, buy some cream colored DVD cases?
--- End quote ---
I think there is definitely some control
cause in most cases wii covers are still white. this is not the normal, maybe after a hell lot more time has past but not in the current era.
even with people that don't give a shit and treat wii poorly covers are still white in most cases. I don't think wii covers are as fragile as comic books or some of that old toy cardboard. let alone ps2 covers in europe which all have white backsides. most if not all are still white. only time they get yellowed is when people actually get dirty with em. smudge insane sun damage etc didn't happen by itselves.
if this was an actual issue that happened out of nowhere people be complaining for days. just ain't it. poor storage, maybe said guy living in a humid environment it definitely didn't happen out of nowhere
--- End quote ---
It's a similar reason why people keep pictures under glass. If they didn't, the pictures would fade eventually. If you have an old book sitting around, you'll probably notice the tips of the pages look dingy compared to the pages which have been kept closed. Many types of paper when exposed to air, will eventually disrupt the chemical composition and alter the appearance. It doesn't exactly indicate that it's been abused or mistreated, a lot of times very normal use and storage can result in this outcome. Folks who ended up with cheddar cheese Super Nintendo systems didn't abuse them, the composition in the plastics were triggered by the environment, resulting in a color change over time. Other Super Nintendo systems made of a different plastic, won't do this even if it was in the very same environment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7YgfdWffh0
Random collection video as an example, but I can notice that a lot of the artwork shown here is darker than the white of the plastic cases, and that's what OP is talking about. The covers are technically still "white", it's just not a vibrant white anymore, it's more of a cream color. This is typical and only becoming more common with Wii collections.
--- End quote ---
Have you seen the pic the op send? his mario kart turned yellow.
This is not normal, nor is it common at all. unless usa wii games are shitty quality compared to pal land. but haven't seen it all that much on ebay or with my own usa wii games
if this was somewhat common sizable wii collections would have turned yellow by now.
also wii cases never had identical color to the plastic cases. they are close but not the same.
Also imo I don't think wii covers have changed color from when they where brand new and if thy did it's a very small diff that I don't notice.
i agree with you on super nes and nes consoles but this ain't it. and with snes consoles it's mainly usage and it getting hot. cause it's always the consoles that are barely used in plastic that are still nice and grey. unless you are lucky with certain plastic revisions of the snes it's gonna turn yellow when you use it to some degree.
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His example is on the extreme side, but it also might be due to the color balance on his camera that's exaggerating the color. If you notice the discoloration is more extreme towards the top and bottom edges, I see that a lot in my collection too. This is an indication of air reaching the artwork, and this is def not paper that's going to stand up to air exposure. Could have a really loose, compromised sleeve, maybe even sticking out at the top a bit, but almost all of mine show some discoloration near the edges. Like I said before, including some factory sealed games. I believe the sleeves on these are just not very well made.
If you environment is ideal, it might not happen to the extreme degree shown. But, I mean take a look at some of these random collections and notice how many are a warmer off-white than others.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wii/comments/s390fa/my_wii_collection_been_collecting_off_and_on/#lightbox
https://www.reddit.com/r/wii/comments/123nlaa/quality_over_quantity_only_the_best_games_what/#lightbox
Post up a bit of your own Wii collection, and let's have look? See if we can't find some of those warm off-white buggers.
sworddude:
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on May 05, 2025, 09:06:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: sworddude on May 04, 2025, 07:49:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on May 03, 2025, 10:26:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: sworddude on May 01, 2025, 12:06:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on April 30, 2025, 07:54:41 pm ---I've raved about this for ages. It's the nature of paper when it's a pure white variety. Over time, with environmental factors accelerating the issue, the chemical compound of the paper breaks down and looses it's vibrant white appearance. It doesn't necessarily turn yellow, it just becomes less and less vivid as it breaks down and becomes less stable. Compared to the white plastic of the case, it will look like a different color eventually.
Has happened not only to my Wii artwork, also my Sega Saturn artwork, Dreamcast artwork, the white banners on Xbox 360 games, PS5 games, etc. Anything vivid white, will eventually become dingier white over time. A lot of my PS5 games are already doing this. I live in an environment where air humidity levels tend to fluctuate from dry to normal-borderline damp, and that's a nightmare scenario for thin little slips of high gloss paper. Hell, all of my handheld console screens turn yellow over time too, because of these dry to damp shifts. It's a common problem in Japan due to their climate conditions as well.
You have two options. Just accept this shit will turn dingy and look bad, because you know it's something that happens outside of your control. Or, use a scanner to do high-res scans of all of your artwork (avoid the low-res crap found on most websites, because it'll look like a cheap counterfeit), photo edit to tweak the dingy tint back to white, then reprint all of your artwork. It'll be good for a while, but it'll just happen again eventually. Still, you can do a refresh as many times as you'd like ones you've got all your stuff archived...
A third option, buy some cream colored DVD cases?
--- End quote ---
I think there is definitely some control
cause in most cases wii covers are still white. this is not the normal, maybe after a hell lot more time has past but not in the current era.
even with people that don't give a shit and treat wii poorly covers are still white in most cases. I don't think wii covers are as fragile as comic books or some of that old toy cardboard. let alone ps2 covers in europe which all have white backsides. most if not all are still white. only time they get yellowed is when people actually get dirty with em. smudge insane sun damage etc didn't happen by itselves.
if this was an actual issue that happened out of nowhere people be complaining for days. just ain't it. poor storage, maybe said guy living in a humid environment it definitely didn't happen out of nowhere
--- End quote ---
It's a similar reason why people keep pictures under glass. If they didn't, the pictures would fade eventually. If you have an old book sitting around, you'll probably notice the tips of the pages look dingy compared to the pages which have been kept closed. Many types of paper when exposed to air, will eventually disrupt the chemical composition and alter the appearance. It doesn't exactly indicate that it's been abused or mistreated, a lot of times very normal use and storage can result in this outcome. Folks who ended up with cheddar cheese Super Nintendo systems didn't abuse them, the composition in the plastics were triggered by the environment, resulting in a color change over time. Other Super Nintendo systems made of a different plastic, won't do this even if it was in the very same environment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7YgfdWffh0
Random collection video as an example, but I can notice that a lot of the artwork shown here is darker than the white of the plastic cases, and that's what OP is talking about. The covers are technically still "white", it's just not a vibrant white anymore, it's more of a cream color. This is typical and only becoming more common with Wii collections.
--- End quote ---
Have you seen the pic the op send? his mario kart turned yellow.
This is not normal, nor is it common at all. unless usa wii games are shitty quality compared to pal land. but haven't seen it all that much on ebay or with my own usa wii games
if this was somewhat common sizable wii collections would have turned yellow by now.
also wii cases never had identical color to the plastic cases. they are close but not the same.
Also imo I don't think wii covers have changed color from when they where brand new and if thy did it's a very small diff that I don't notice.
i agree with you on super nes and nes consoles but this ain't it. and with snes consoles it's mainly usage and it getting hot. cause it's always the consoles that are barely used in plastic that are still nice and grey. unless you are lucky with certain plastic revisions of the snes it's gonna turn yellow when you use it to some degree.
--- End quote ---
His example is on the extreme side, but it also might be due to the color balance on his camera that's exaggerating the color. If you notice the discoloration is more extreme towards the top and bottom edges, I see that a lot in my collection too. This is an indication of air reaching the artwork, and this is def not paper that's going to stand up to air exposure. Could have a really loose, compromised sleeve, maybe even sticking out at the top a bit, but almost all of mine show some discoloration near the edges. Like I said before, including some factory sealed games. I believe the sleeves on these are just not very well made.
If you environment is ideal, it might not happen to the extreme degree shown. But, I mean take a look at some of these random collections and notice how many are a warmer off-white than others.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wii/comments/s390fa/my_wii_collection_been_collecting_off_and_on/#lightbox
https://www.reddit.com/r/wii/comments/123nlaa/quality_over_quantity_only_the_best_games_what/#lightbox
Post up a bit of your own Wii collection, and let's have look? See if we can't find some of those warm off-white buggers.
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in your examples it ain't just the edges. it's the entire thing. so your oxidation towards the edges seems flawed in those scenario's cause that would mean the entire cover got oxidated equally instead of just the edges which I can't imagine happening there should be some inconsistency if it's about oxidation. on top of it not being that noticable unless you pay attention.
What if those games just had those colors at release. not all of them are identical in terms of colors or different print runs etc. what if it's just the mandella effect and people remembered it differently at the time not all wii covers where perfectly white we had differences even at the time.
Also especially in this era who knows where said collector got em from. don't know where those games where before they where gotten. could have baked in the sun for quite some time who knows. 2nd hand products in most cases after all.
Finally in terms of the edges discoloring usually when there is some kind of damage and when they start look ugly. you'll see yellowing in the edges for sure but not the norm at all. also Not the kinda copies that I'd keep but that does pop up from time to time. Not to sure if that's oxidation or just them edges getting dirty with dust and white just ez to stain.
Regardless of all of that, wii game covers will not end up like the op's yellow example. whatever happened there is not the norm nor will it be in the far future. This ain't the same as those old school plastics from toys.
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