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| Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox? |
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| gecko101:
I don't like it because it's an ugly, massive, western looking console. It just screams American early 2000s design, and that rubs me the wrong way. The first controller was massive, and the console is shaped like a massive X. Thanks, but I don't have room for that. I guess I'm a stickler for aesthetics. Japanese console design is much better. Plus, because it was a console for a US market, it's lacking a lot in the games I like to play. Western games just have a different feel and aesthetic design, and that's just not my thing. It's a shame the Xbox holds so many amazing SEGA games. That's its saving grace. I'm just waiting for emulation so I can play them. |
| emporerdragon:
--- Quote from: badATchaos on December 05, 2017, 07:28:56 pm ---Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC. --- End quote --- Pretty sure most people are using the term exclusive to point out games that weren't available on the console competition, not whether or not there was a PC version (And to keep in mind that gaming PCs, or at least a PC that can play games, weren't really as commonplace then as they are nowadays). Also, both KOTORs came out for the Xbox several months before they did for the PC. |
| hoshichiri:
Xbox suffers from the double whammy of being too new (the early 2000s stuff is just barely turning the corner into retro proper), and too western- it's not surprising to think that retro gamers who've been soaked in Japanese companies & content their whole run might have a little trouble finding their place with an American one. I certainly did- I've only had an original Xbox for about a year & a half now. --- Quote from: hexen on December 05, 2017, 04:13:43 pm ---Games for Xbox worth owning: Halo Halo 2 ... ... ... I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube. --- End quote --- Xbox actually has a notable set of exclusive titles- about 200 of them, in fact*. Xbox never really pushed the easily marketable mascot type games. Couple that with the PS2's utter dominance in the era, and it's an easy console to overlook. But if you're willing to actually dig a bit and really look into it, there's lots of good to be had. I'd consider looking into Sega's offerings on the system as a starter- Gun Valkyrie, the Otogi games, and Panzer Dragoon Orta are all system sellers for me. --- Quote from: badATchaos on December 05, 2017, 07:28:56 pm ---Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC. --- End quote --- And now for my asterisk from earlier- *console exclusives. Yes, there's a few titles that made the jump to PC, but most folks really keep the two as separate entities. I certainly do- hell, I don't even have a steam account, PC releases mean nothing to me. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: hoshichiri on December 06, 2017, 09:10:13 am ---Xbox suffers from the double whammy of being too new (the early 2000s stuff is just barely turning the corner into retro proper), and too western- it's not surprising to think that retro gamers who've been soaked in Japanese companies & content their whole run might have a little trouble finding their place with an American one. I certainly did- I've only had an original Xbox for about a year & a half now. --- End quote --- The GTA and call of duty series are japanese yea sure ::) Pretty much all first person shooters are US Pretty much all games that aged badly or some that are great were made in the US especially during the ps2 era EA currenly mainly sports formerly also very interesting platformers rpg´s etc pretty huge US company even today. Tons of ea games on sega and tons on ps1 onwards god war etc not to mention rare wich already died but still. For the mainstream there were plenty of non japanese games I would even say that the non japanese games dominated the markets till even today, while the japan influenced ones were the niche with pretty mediocre sales with some exceptions like final fantasy and kingdom hearts mario pokemon. Halo was made by microsoft again not japanese very succesfull. The xbox did pretty well back in the day it wasn´t a bust not as great as ps2 but the xbox was very expensive compared to the ps2 wich is a reason why ps2 was so succefull. I would not say that the games on ps2 would have given such high sales but rather It´s price point. The mainstream games were just as good on xbox, niche titles would not make that big of a difference. also if am not mistaken the ps2 was cheaper than a dvd player so it was also bought just for that. Xbox was powerfull and all but they did´t make good use of the xbox hardware, it was also pretty tough to develop games on the ps2 thanks to It´s limited power pretty much 4 times less but yet they managed to make the difference pretty minimal. Price is more powerfull than power it seems. Xbox It´s just a console with many games that didn´t age well however back in the day such games did sell since people were especially into 3D realistic games. Shooters racing etc those are the ones that sell the best, xbox did great in that regard. However with such games usually newer means better It´s just how the world works. also it might have 200 excusives but only a small fraction is actually good, not all exclusives can be good. |
| shfan:
They do? :-\ Welp.. I'd agree with a lot of what's said here regarding things like the system/xbox range still being a little new to be seen as particularly retro, having limited exclusives in comparison to the PS2 and Cube and being a great big lump of a thing. I think another thing which may put off retro gamers is the era of the system coupled with the lack of interest from Japanese developers - the PS1/Saturn/N64 era saw the move to (hideous) 3D and the erosion or disappearance of many genres, particularly in 2D games, those that were left tended to be produced in Japan. By the time we get to the PS2 era, Western studios are churning out FPS, action-adventure/3rd person shooters, vanilla action adventure, sports/racing and very little else, that's the Xbox's range with a few exceptions. PS2? Survival horrors, weird Japanese budget games (Simple Series), classic shoot 'em ups, Kingdom fricking Hearts, you name it. Nintendo trots out its usual fare (which is nonetheless delicious) and also benefits from some quirky exclusives. . That said, there are still exclusives on the system (notably the 'Dreamcast 2' range from Sega), I really enjoyed Voodoo Vince, thought it was a great little platformer. It's also very affordable (as said) and has a catalogue of great games - it's just that the majority are not exclusive and are Western, so it works well as an add-on system to one or both of the others rather than the only console to own from the era. (I never owned an Xbox when they were current, I picked up a system for buttons and then bought scores of games for 50p ea. from a game chain in the UK that was clearing out their stock of older titles, my Xbox collection was seriously cheap). |
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