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| hoshichiri:
--- Quote from: scraph4ppy on February 24, 2018, 07:54:50 am ---I wish I could look at games at my Goodwill.... Anyways I had a very long post typed up about how LRGs weren't going to be collectible but having typed it out, I think I was wrong. They will be collectible, but not in the way that normal console games are. Instead they will be in the same manner that PC games are. A complete collection will be nearly impossible to get a hold of (seriously, with how low these print runs are, a complete set of LRG Vita games is going to be harder to find than a complete set of NES or PS2 games is,) and few people will try. But there will be lots of interest from certain people in getting a hold of certain titles, and the games will retain value until the day that no one cares about physical media anymore. The only thing is, LRG's offerings will not be considered in the same way that any other company's will, and most collectors will have them off in a side bar along with NFRS games, demo disks, special editions, beta hardware, etc. and the think nothing of the fact that their otherwise complete collection does not contain copies of them. Perhaps they will redefine the default collection to be "sold in retail stores" or something else like that to exclude them or perhaps everyone will just get together and decide that forced scarcity is ridiculous from the stand-point of collecting childhood memories, especially when as a child you wouldn't have been buying from LRG anyway. --- End quote --- That's largely my thoughts too- When all is said & done I think they'll be a few games in the run that achieve proper collectible status, but most of them will be collectible by association. Years ago, I was at an anime convention swap meet, and I had 2 copies of Trap Gunner for PS1 on the table. It's not rare or expensive, and was even less so back then- but those games still got picked up within minutes. At the same time acutally, and the guys who took them laughed becuase they grabbed them for the same reason- "I don't know this game at all, but it's Atlus." I really see a similar situation with LRG in the future- where publisher reputation rather than game quality causes interest & therefore raises prices. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: hoshichiri on February 24, 2018, 01:03:52 pm --- --- Quote from: scraph4ppy on February 24, 2018, 07:54:50 am ---I wish I could look at games at my Goodwill.... Anyways I had a very long post typed up about how LRGs weren't going to be collectible but having typed it out, I think I was wrong. They will be collectible, but not in the way that normal console games are. Instead they will be in the same manner that PC games are. A complete collection will be nearly impossible to get a hold of (seriously, with how low these print runs are, a complete set of LRG Vita games is going to be harder to find than a complete set of NES or PS2 games is,) and few people will try. But there will be lots of interest from certain people in getting a hold of certain titles, and the games will retain value until the day that no one cares about physical media anymore. The only thing is, LRG's offerings will not be considered in the same way that any other company's will, and most collectors will have them off in a side bar along with NFRS games, demo disks, special editions, beta hardware, etc. and the think nothing of the fact that their otherwise complete collection does not contain copies of them. Perhaps they will redefine the default collection to be "sold in retail stores" or something else like that to exclude them or perhaps everyone will just get together and decide that forced scarcity is ridiculous from the stand-point of collecting childhood memories, especially when as a child you wouldn't have been buying from LRG anyway. --- End quote --- That's largely my thoughts too- When all is said & done I think they'll be a few games in the run that achieve proper collectible status, but most of them will be collectible by association. Years ago, I was at an anime convention swap meet, and I had 2 copies of Trap Gunner for PS1 on the table. It's not rare or expensive, and was even less so back then- but those games still got picked up within minutes. At the same time acutally, and the guys who took them laughed becuase they grabbed them for the same reason- "I don't know this game at all, but it's Atlus." I really see a similar situation with LRG in the future- where publisher reputation rather than game quality causes interest & therefore raises prices. --- End quote --- Trap gunner is actually a very good ps1 game gameplay wise seriously not just an atlus game If an atlus game is bad it is worthelss unless it is very rare. look around for bad atlus games and you will see cheap ones wich are random racing games etc wich are just as uncommon or rare but gameplay wise not interesting at all. not to mention that there are plenty of valuable excellent games from very unknown publishers. There are atlus games out there that are trash and they are worthless since no one wants them Back in the past trap gunner was less known that's all and even now not that known but more people have heard about it. trauma center series on wii and ds gameplay wise it's pretty bad in my opinion very cheap series since proabably many think the same thing and most will only pick it up because it is atlus. Just because certain games have a certain brand it is not guaranteed that they will have value, if the game is great and at least uncommon than yes but there are allot of cases in wich the games aren;t that great and thus they remain ignored. Look at examples of taito hudson soft to name just a few. Allot of games that were cheap back than were less known hagane sunset riders etc, yet when more people know when a game is good the price might increase. The more rare it is the more valuable will it become especially is a game is excellent. |
| burningdoom:
--- Quote from: sworddude on February 24, 2018, 06:24:29 am --- --- Quote from: burningdoom on February 23, 2018, 10:56:43 pm ---Betamax and VHS are 2 different formats. Most movie collectors have a DVD and Blu-Ray Player. Many have a VCR (VHS). Not everyone has a betmax player. It didn't have a long shelf life. It lost the format war with VHS like HD-DVD did to Blu-Ray. So it's harder to find them since so many less of them were produced, and they are from the early 80s, so many of those, even, aren't working anymore. --- End quote --- I do know they are 2 different formats. Beta max a bit higher quality but less time for a movie compared to vhs. That being said if stuff is that plentyfull and cheap in the past why does one still not have a beta max player. Unless ofcourse it was always hard to find and not to cheap especially the last part being the reason why one never got a betamax player to begin with even in the past. If it isn´t super cheap I can imagine people holding off waiting for a cheap one having bad luck that it has become hyped and even more sought after expensive than it was before. Obviously with vhs you could already enjoy the hobby, beta max is just slightly higher quality with different beta max tapes but if you really were dedicated and wanted a beta max player even back in the day in my personal opinion one should have already foud one years ago if you were in that hobby for years before it was hyped. Also I´m pretty sure that more dedicated vhs betmax collectors will focus more on the old stuff and way less on blue ray and dvd if not ignore it. Obviously there are some who are a jack of all trades but many dvd blue ray collectors do not collect and enjoy vhs beta max and vice versa. --- End quote --- What? Where do you get the idea that most movie collectors collect exclusively one format? And I'm not sure why you keep trying to insinuate I'm new to this. Not having a betamax player, which I clearly already explained to you is rare and why it's rare, means Jack squat. My dad was a movie collector. I have always been around that and comics because of him. I inherited what he had left when he passed away, as well. Guess what, he didn't have betamax either. He had VHS and DVD. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: burningdoom on February 24, 2018, 03:01:51 pm --- --- Quote from: sworddude on February 24, 2018, 06:24:29 am --- --- Quote from: burningdoom on February 23, 2018, 10:56:43 pm ---Betamax and VHS are 2 different formats. Most movie collectors have a DVD and Blu-Ray Player. Many have a VCR (VHS). Not everyone has a betmax player. It didn't have a long shelf life. It lost the format war with VHS like HD-DVD did to Blu-Ray. So it's harder to find them since so many less of them were produced, and they are from the early 80s, so many of those, even, aren't working anymore. --- End quote --- I do know they are 2 different formats. Beta max a bit higher quality but less time for a movie compared to vhs. That being said if stuff is that plentyfull and cheap in the past why does one still not have a beta max player. Unless ofcourse it was always hard to find and not to cheap especially the last part being the reason why one never got a betamax player to begin with even in the past. If it isn´t super cheap I can imagine people holding off waiting for a cheap one having bad luck that it has become hyped and even more sought after expensive than it was before. Obviously with vhs you could already enjoy the hobby, beta max is just slightly higher quality with different beta max tapes but if you really were dedicated and wanted a beta max player even back in the day in my personal opinion one should have already foud one years ago if you were in that hobby for years before it was hyped. Also I´m pretty sure that more dedicated vhs betmax collectors will focus more on the old stuff and way less on blue ray and dvd if not ignore it. Obviously there are some who are a jack of all trades but many dvd blue ray collectors do not collect and enjoy vhs beta max and vice versa. --- End quote --- What? Where do you get the idea that most movie collectors collect exclusively one format? And I'm not sure why you keep trying to insinuate I'm new to this. Not having a betamax player, which I clearly already explained to you is rare and why it's rare, means Jack squat. My dad was a movie collector. I have always been around that and comics because of him. I inherited what he had left when he passed away, as well. Guess what, he didn't have betamax either. He had VHS and DVD. --- End quote --- Betamax and vhs are the same kinda movies. While at the dvd era It's totally different that's my only point. no cheesy horror films, no godzilla etc Harry potter and lord of the rings, pirates of the caribean seem pretty much a totally different thing as far as movie collecting goes or am I wrong? I did say that there are some who collect all but i'm pretty sure that there are also plenty of people who focus on the older stuff, dvd format except for the remasters of old tapes are usually different kind of movies. Modern movie fans Are not always the kind of people that appreciate the cheesy old school classics, vice versa the old school fans do not appreciate the more modern movies of today. Also as far as rarity goes since beta max is a failed format, If beta max players were even rare back in the day even when the format has failed and many people moved on with them high online prices it was always expensive to begin with. In that case even if more people joined the hobby it would make little difference since it was always expensive from the very beginning. I've seen some forums and if it was already expensive in 2008 probably allot earlier as well if one does some research, if that were the case I guess there is very little to complain about since it was already sought after, prices seem to be pretty much the same as today really. I've seen some mention that there were quite allot of adds of available beta max players on other forums in a certain period before it became sought after but that was a very long time ago. https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/296547-Does-anyone-have-a-PAL-BetaMax-Player The prices are in the hundreds even back than and probably allot earlier seems to me prices are the same and that was pretty much 10 years ago. I really am curious when it became sought after since prices were even that high back than. |
| hoshichiri:
--- Quote from: sworddude on February 24, 2018, 02:00:35 pm ---trauma center series on wii and ds gameplay wise it's pretty bad in my opinion very cheap series since proabably many think the same thing and most will only pick it up because it is atlus. --- End quote --- Yes, that is exactly my point- certain titles get a boost in interest, and therefore value, by virtue of association with a desirable publisher. It doesn't necessarily mean they'll become properly valuable- but they certainly become collectable, and therefore inherently more valuable than something that isn't considered collectable (like sports titles.) That's what I expect for LRG- scarcity and branding will create a collectable that, while not necessarily gaining value, will likely hold value for most titles. A select few will gain Hidden Gem status & go up in value, and I'm sure a few will lose some value for being too mediocre & obscure- but will always hold some desirability just for being LRG releases. |
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