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| Pat the NES punk controversy. Thoughts on Pat's "gamers are entitled" remarks? |
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| Flashback2012:
--- Quote from: soera on November 18, 2018, 02:34:40 am ---In the immortal words of Phil Anselmo "Fuck em all". Pat and Pew are both garbage. I watched the Pawn Stars episode he was on the day it was aired. It was all over Nintendo age and I knew that he wasnt going to sell and he went on there just to get his name out there more. It was so staged and what not. Hes a self righteous ass who lost his way years ago. Pewdiepie isnt even a gamer. Hes a loser that has a lot of bigger losers following him cause they dont know any better. Part of the reason Youtube is a cesspool is morons like him. Are gamers entitled? Fuck yeah they are. Should we be? Fuck yeah we should be. Why should we settle for junk when we dont have to? Diablo Immortal is just a waste of time mobile game. Not really what Diablo fans were waiting for. Its a path a lot of the bigger game companies are going to. Blizzard, Bethesda, EA, Activision, etc ... all are turning into greedy ass corporations who are set to get the most money for the smallest amount of work releasing buggy ass games to the public essentially having the community as a whole be their beta testers. --- End quote --- --- Quote from: marvelvscapcom2 on November 17, 2018, 07:02:49 pm ---I however disagree with this and like Pat a lot and want to meet him at an expo soon. I like Pat and I think Pat was also 100 percent right with his statement. --- End quote --- Jesus Christ you really cannot be this imbecilic. I can understand wanting to remain positive and optimistic because you're starstruck but this guy has shown on more than one occasion that he's a twat and less than knowledgeable blowhard. Yet you're still captivated by him in this odd psuedo-Stockholm Syndrome-esque way. ??? --- Quote from: marvelvscapcom2 on November 17, 2018, 07:02:49 pm ---As a gamer I can admit I fall into this category sometimes. I am 100 percent a whining, hard to please, entitled gamer sometimes as all gamers are I think. We all tend to demand things of Devs without taking consideration intangibles or their feelings, we critique anything and everything we don't like way too harshly almost in a cult like way, we are very over reactive as a community and very unaccepting of things that don't tailor fit our preferences. Which can be frustrating at times. --- End quote --- Soera did a good job explaining it above but what both you and Pat both are missing in this ONE ISOLATED INSTANCE regarding Diablo Mobile is that Blizzard was teasing and hyping something big for Diablo fans with a lot speculating it would be a new expansion or even a new sequel. Instead they trot out this mobile game not even developed by them and expected the masses to buy in like doting sheep. Fans were hoodwinked and were rightly upset that Blizzard was finally succumbing to the Kotick-Creep that everyone was dreading since the merger of Activision and Blizzard. Pat the Pretentious Twat was completely wrong about the whole Diablo thing and if you agree with him that doesn't speak very highly of your character. As for the whole being entitled thing, you're throwing out the baby with the bath water. It's growing tiresome that all of these companies want to view their customers as nothing more than revenue streams because they caught on to a scheme with loot boxes/DLC and greed set its hooks in. Why is it so unreasonable anymore for companies to just make a (complete) good product and not nickel/dime their customers over every little thing? |
| Agozer:
Pat is fairly unknown to me, and I've never really watched or listened to any of his stuff. Most of us have seen the horrible cesspool that mobile gaming has become, and has only itself to blame for its image. Sure, there are exceptions but they are far and few between and struggle to get noted because the cesspool is so vast and deep. I understand that there are some gamers who are *very* passionate about a particular franchise or game, to the point that they vocally demand certain features, andd developers can no longer actually design a game in peace -- the so-called "toxic" fans with "toxic" entitlement. They demand that a game be exactly like they want it to be, or damn it all to hell. Harassment, accusations of SJWs, and what have you follows. However, this Diablo Immortal fiasco showed that there are many ardent fans, not by any means toxic or toxicly entitled that trust one of their favorite developers to treat a franchise right. I think they have the right to voice their displeasure when the developer in question undermines that trust this flagrantly. ActiBlizz are obviously chasing profit margins and the bottom dollar instead of actually designing fun and engaging (engaging in the right way) video games. It's about monetizing a game in perpetutity, consequences be damned. Doesn't help that they teamed up with a company that made its fortunes with downright exploitative and predatory mobile "games" imaginable. Having said that, the mobiles games market and attitudes toward it is markedly different in Asia vs. the West. Why ActiBlizz chose to reveal a mobile game aimed at the Asian market during BlizzCon in the US is beyond me. |
| hoshichiri:
Gamers are absolutely entitled, and get way too upset over things that are either unimportant, or not designed to make their specific subset of gamer happy. However, I don't think the Diablo Immortal blowblack is unwarranted due to how it was presented. If this was announced at an E3, a PAX, a general nerdery event, the vitriol would be far too strong. But it wasn't- it was the Big Announcement of an event laser-focused to a hardcore PC crowd. As the article on the Escapist put it, this is like having Paramount tease a big reveal at a Star Trek convention, then dropping a Transformers trailer. Add to that the track record of PC stalwart titles constantly being dumbed down for consoles or ripped open for terrible mobile monetization, and you've got the perfect storm of misreading an audience- "thanks PC fans for paying money to come to our big infomercial! And now, the Grand Finale- we're taking one of your favorite franchises, having someone remake it for a completely different audience then you, and do a shitty job of it- and if the new market pays up, we're going to ignore you entirely! Aren't you excited?! Why aren't you clapping- don't you have phones?" Yeah... there's a difference between whining over the lead character's genitals and being mad that you paid money to find out your favorite game company doesn't see you as a viable customer anymore. In this case, Entitle Away! |
| marvelvscapcom2:
--- Quote from: Flashback2012 on November 18, 2018, 09:53:08 am --- --- Quote from: soera on November 18, 2018, 02:34:40 am ---In the immortal words of Phil Anselmo "Fuck em all". Pat and Pew are both garbage. I watched the Pawn Stars episode he was on the day it was aired. It was all over Nintendo age and I knew that he wasnt going to sell and he went on there just to get his name out there more. It was so staged and what not. Hes a self righteous ass who lost his way years ago. Pewdiepie isnt even a gamer. Hes a loser that has a lot of bigger losers following him cause they dont know any better. Part of the reason Youtube is a cesspool is morons like him. Are gamers entitled? Fuck yeah they are. Should we be? Fuck yeah we should be. Why should we settle for junk when we dont have to? Diablo Immortal is just a waste of time mobile game. Not really what Diablo fans were waiting for. Its a path a lot of the bigger game companies are going to. Blizzard, Bethesda, EA, Activision, etc ... all are turning into greedy ass corporations who are set to get the most money for the smallest amount of work releasing buggy ass games to the public essentially having the community as a whole be their beta testers. --- End quote --- --- Quote from: marvelvscapcom2 on November 17, 2018, 07:02:49 pm ---I however disagree with this and like Pat a lot and want to meet him at an expo soon. I like Pat and I think Pat was also 100 percent right with his statement. --- End quote --- Jesus Christ you really cannot be this imbecilic. I can understand wanting to remain positive and optimistic because you're starstruck but this guy has shown on more than one occasion that he's a twat and less than knowledgeable blowhard. Yet you're still captivated by him in this odd psuedo-Stockholm Syndrome-esque way. ??? --- Quote from: marvelvscapcom2 on November 17, 2018, 07:02:49 pm ---As a gamer I can admit I fall into this category sometimes. I am 100 percent a whining, hard to please, entitled gamer sometimes as all gamers are I think. We all tend to demand things of Devs without taking consideration intangibles or their feelings, we critique anything and everything we don't like way too harshly almost in a cult like way, we are very over reactive as a community and very unaccepting of things that don't tailor fit our preferences. Which can be frustrating at times. --- End quote --- Soera did a good job explaining it above but what both you and Pat both are missing in this ONE ISOLATED INSTANCE regarding Diablo Mobile is that Blizzard was teasing and hyping something big for Diablo fans with a lot speculating it would be a new expansion or even a new sequel. Instead they trot out this mobile game not even developed by them and expected the masses to buy in like doting sheep. Fans were hoodwinked and were rightly upset that Blizzard was finally succumbing to the Kotick-Creep that everyone was dreading since the merger of Activision and Blizzard. Pat the Pretentious Twat was completely wrong about the whole Diablo thing and if you agree with him that doesn't speak very highly of your character. As for the whole being entitled thing, you're throwing out the baby with the bath water. It's growing tiresome that all of these companies want to view their customers as nothing more than revenue streams because they caught on to a scheme with loot boxes/DLC and greed set its hooks in. Why is it so unreasonable anymore for companies to just make a (complete) good product and not nickel/dime their customers over every little thing? --- End quote --- I'm gonna level with you guys here. I really don't know Pat good enough and probably shouldn't have taken his side blindly in the topic but was just basing off the little I heard. Kinda like he does lol :). I only liked him because I seen him on AVGN and AVGN liked him and James is essentially god so I trusted his judgement lol. I know listened to many episodes of his podcast and find him to be a pandering narcissist. I did want to add that I think his feud here with PewDiePie has a lot of history that I uncovered. Turns out when PewDiePie was going through his many controversies, controversies in plural lol, Pat the NES punk took the liberty to slander him on his podcast adding hot sauce to the wound. So I guess that reveals why PewDiePie took the same route in undertaker suplexing him during his big controversy. I guess people always find it easy to poke the big YouTubers when they are down, not realizing it could easily be reversed and they could kill your channel. I only wanted to add because I didn't want people to think PewDiePie was a big bully just killing Pat for the sake of killing him. Although I don't want to pate PewDiePie as some hero either :) |
| Cartagia:
--- Quote from: hoshichiri on November 18, 2018, 10:58:06 am ---Gamers are absolutely entitled, and get way too upset over things that are either unimportant, or not designed to make their specific subset of gamer happy. However, I don't think the Diablo Immortal blowblack is unwarranted due to how it was presented. If this was announced at an E3, a PAX, a general nerdery event, the vitriol would be far too strong. --- End quote --- All this. |
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