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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: oldgamerz on March 19, 2020, 02:35:42 pm
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that thing could do just about everything an average gaming PC could do, for example (not a full list by the way)
1: Play Music CD's
2: Rip Music CD's
3: Play PlayStation 1 games
4: Watch Bluray movies
5: Play PS3 games
6: fully Browse the internet
7: Watch YouTube
8" Watch Hulu
9: Watch Netflix
10: Play Music while playing a game, although I never tried it (spotify app)
11: Connect a USB Keyboard
12: Free Online gaming (for a while)
13: Some could even play PlayStation 2 games
14: Run/host an online server
and it had a lot of other apps for it also like Amazon music apps and could do just about whatever A PC at that time.
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There were different hard-drive sizes circling the model and it ranges from 20GB, 40GB, 60GB, 80GB, and 160GB, 120GB, 250GB, 320GB, 12GB and 500GB, versions.
1: The Phat (20GB, 40GB. 60GB 80GB 160GB)
1: The Slim (120GB, 160GB, 250GB, 320GB)
3: The Super Slim (12GB. 250GB, 500GB, models)
I for one still love my PlayStation 3. Even though, I now only use my newest one for Playing games on, and I highly recommend playing PlayStation 1 games on one. Rather then on a real PlayStation 1, or PlayStation 2 because you can create a heck of a lot of Internal PS1 memory cards for your PS1 library's save files without needing to buy PS1 or PS2 memory cards
I have never had A PS1 game not work on any PlayStation 3 model Unless counting my 2nd super slim that had issues I guess ::)
I never had a PS3 Phat that could play PlayStation 2 games. But that's why I also love My PlayStation 2 phat just as much today.
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It outsold the 360 so no.
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Why would it be considered a failure?
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Not a failure, just not the runaway success that other PlayStation systems have been before and since. I took a while for it to pick up steam, due to initial price and receiving some botched ports in early years. I'm not a big fan of where this era took Sony's first party exclusive efforts compared to the previous systems. Games like Uncharted, Resistance, Infamous and Killzone come across as also-ran responses to what was going on in the industry, and not as era defining titles. There were some interesting exclusive titles, but the majority of those weren't overwhelmingly successful.
I've had quite a few PS1 fail to output any video using my 60GB system. Although, that could be an issue with my TV not supporting the resolution through HDMI.
In all, I'm not the biggest PS3 fan and I do prefer both the Wii and the 360 over it, but it's by no means a "failure". It was quite a successful system in the end, with a vast library that has a little something for everyone.
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I liked that you could swap out the internal HD so easily, def not a failure. I prefer my 360, but I had it 1st. If all I had was a PS3 life would still be great.
Also as for you #12, what do you mean for awhile? You can still play ps3 online for free. Only PS4 needs PS+
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I never liked the PS3 in particular, I was more about the 360, but it's in the top 5 best selling consoles of all time, it wasn't a failure at all even if it had some issues to start.
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I liked that you could swap out the internal HD so easily, def not a failure. I prefer my 360, but I had it 1st. If all I had was a PS3 life would still be great.
Also as for you #12, what do you mean for awhile? You can still play ps3 online for free. Only PS4 needs PS+
Sorry wasn't exactly sure on the online games still running, or not I have to assume some of the PS3 library does not have online features anymore.
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Why would it be considered a failure?
I just don't hear that many people mentioning the PS3 console in general.
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Why would it be considered a failure?
My thoughts exactly.
How was the PS3 ever a failure in any way?
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I liked that you could swap out the internal HD so easily, def not a failure. I prefer my 360, but I had it 1st. If all I had was a PS3 life would still be great.
Also as for you #12, what do you mean for awhile? You can still play ps3 online for free. Only PS4 needs PS+
Sorry wasn't exactly sure on the online games still running, or not I have to assume some of the PS3 library does not have online features anymore.
Ah ok. Most games are still up and running, and free to play online. There are a fair share of games whos servers are shut down though.
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Why would it be considered a failure?
I just don't hear that many people mentioning the PS3 console in general.
It is probably the least loved of the Sony consoles. I guess i'd attribute that to the fact that it doesn't have as many timeless and "classic" titles compared to the other Sony consoles. I also don't think it helps that many of its best games were ported to the PS4 and updated, making the PS3 versions inferior in quality. I love the PS3, but admittedly its my least favorite Sony console, but I still like it more than easily half of all mainstream consoles released since the NES.
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Why would it be considered a failure?
My thoughts exactly.
How was the PS3 ever a failure in any way?
Sony was selling consoles at a heavy loss when them consoles where fully compatible with ps1 and ps2 games like big time
ps3 barely broke even in the very end according to multiple articles took them quite some time. Ps3 is the only generation wich a sony console was pretty shit in terms of profit.
while 80 million sales is pretty good they took to much of a loss on console sales and expensive production costs
on the financial side ps3 was most definitely a big failure.
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It outsold the 360 so no.
Barely, and it took 6 years before PS3 lifetime sales overtook the 360's. And in the end, the 360 still sold about 20 million more consoles than the PS3 did in North America; What gave the PS3 the main lead was the fact that the xbox brand is a complete failure in the Japanese market.
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It outsold the 360 so no.
Barely, and it took 6 years before PS3 lifetime sales overtook the 360's. And in the end, the 360 still sold about 20 million more consoles than the PS3 did in North America; What gave the PS3 the main lead was the fact that the xbox brand is a complete failure in the Japanese market.
ps3 lost 300$ for every early ps3 console that they sold even if they sold a bit more profit wise ps3 was a shit show. xbox 360 probably did allot better in wich they did not sell consoles with such heavy losses
they where really banking on game sales apprently, attracting consumers with lower console prices.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2006/nov/17/sonylosescash
I'm pretty sure nintendo is the only one who either breaks even per console sale or a small profit since microsoft and sony both lose money per sold console. sony however went a bit overboard during ps3 era. 300$ loss per console is just crazy.
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Well, it did suffer from the 'Third Console Curse', which basically makes the 3rd console of a company be complete garbage. This is why the N64, Sega Saturn, Xbox One and Wii U were commercial failures at first. While the PS3 and Xbox One did go on to become successful in their own generation, the rest were left in the dust.
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I just don't hear that many people mentioning the PS3 console in general.
I don't hear a lot on the 360 these days either. The Wii got a brief spike when the Eshop shut down, but it's largely quiet too.
This generation has fallen into the 'dark era', as I think of it- too old to be 'last gen' (it's techincally the case, but with PS5/Series X looming, soon that won't be true anymore), but too new to be 'retro'. This also means it's prime time to be collecting for these... the next few years will see these games drop to absolute rock-bottom before they move into the 'retro' window and start coming back up as demand increases. Keep an eye on things!
It outsold the 360 so no.
Barely, and it took 6 years before PS3 lifetime sales overtook the 360's. And in the end, the 360 still sold about 20 million more consoles than the PS3 did in North America; What gave the PS3 the main lead was the fact that the xbox brand is a complete failure in the Japanese market.
This is important- the end numbers aren't as important as when the sales occurred for cultural impact. The 360 had a strong start & dominated most of the generation, so it gets the recognition in the mind of the people (Wii notwithstanding). You see something similar in the 16 bit era. Looking at the sales, you just assume Genesis was a footnote in Nintendo's march of success... but the system's timing in North America gave Sega a HUGE lead for the beginning of the 90s, so people remember a much closer race. Perspective is a funny thing.
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At the time of its release, and up until the the slim models were in stores, the PS3 was the cheapest consumer BD player on the market. Makes you wonder if Sony planned it that way, to get more people to buy PS3 when they just wanted a BD player.
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It outsold the 360 so no.
Barely, and it took 6 years before PS3 lifetime sales overtook the 360's. And in the end, the 360 still sold about 20 million more consoles than the PS3 did in North America; What gave the PS3 the main lead was the fact that the xbox brand is a complete failure in the Japanese market.
ps3 lost 300$ for every early ps3 console that they sold even if they sold a bit more profit wise ps3 was a shit show. xbox 360 probably did allot better in wich they did not sell consoles with such heavy losses
they where really banking on game sales apprently, attracting consumers with lower console prices.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2006/nov/17/sonylosescash
I'm pretty sure nintendo is the only one who either breaks even per console sale or a small profit since microsoft and sony both lose money per sold console. sony however went a bit overboard during ps3 era. 300$ loss per console is just crazy.
You quoted a link from the PS3 launch....I'm sure it lessened quite a bit over the years. They even indicate MS sold every 360 at a loss as well. That is not proof that it was that way through their lifespan.
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It outsold the 360 so no.
Barely, and it took 6 years before PS3 lifetime sales overtook the 360's. And in the end, the 360 still sold about 20 million more consoles than the PS3 did in North America; What gave the PS3 the main lead was the fact that the xbox brand is a complete failure in the Japanese market.
ps3 lost 300$ for every early ps3 console that they sold even if they sold a bit more profit wise ps3 was a shit show. xbox 360 probably did allot better in wich they did not sell consoles with such heavy losses
they where really banking on game sales apprently, attracting consumers with lower console prices.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2006/nov/17/sonylosescash
I'm pretty sure nintendo is the only one who either breaks even per console sale or a small profit since microsoft and sony both lose money per sold console. sony however went a bit overboard during ps3 era. 300$ loss per console is just crazy.
You quoted a link from the PS3 launch....I'm sure it lessened quite a bit over the years. They even indicate MS sold every 360 at a loss as well. That is not proof that it was that way through their lifespan.
it took them 4 years to break even. and the profits where not that hot after those times. ps3 did not do to well for sony
also like i said xbox 360 had way less losses per console. they recouped their money way faster only around 100 $ for xbox 360
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2010/06/29/playstation-3-is-finally-breaking-even/
it's also the only generation in wich sony wasn't the best selling console + them games
Nintendo was king in wii ps3 xbox360 era
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It outsold the 360 so no.
Barely, and it took 6 years before PS3 lifetime sales overtook the 360's. And in the end, the 360 still sold about 20 million more consoles than the PS3 did in North America; What gave the PS3 the main lead was the fact that the xbox brand is a complete failure in the Japanese market.
ps3 lost 300$ for every early ps3 console that they sold even if they sold a bit more profit wise ps3 was a shit show. xbox 360 probably did allot better in wich they did not sell consoles with such heavy losses
they where really banking on game sales apprently, attracting consumers with lower console prices.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2006/nov/17/sonylosescash
I'm pretty sure nintendo is the only one who either breaks even per console sale or a small profit since microsoft and sony both lose money per sold console. sony however went a bit overboard during ps3 era. 300$ loss per console is just crazy.
The Red Ring of Death cost Microsoft over a billion.
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People I assume just didn't want the PlayStation 2 era to end I guess, from what I remember the SONY PS2 was still getting new games and selling them until (edit) 2012 or 2014 in my area
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but that I guess was still good for Sony since Sony was selling games for both consoles at those time frames
the PlayStation 3 came out in 2006, and I never even seen a PlayStation 3 since I got my vary first one in 2015
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It outsold the 360 so no.
Barely, and it took 6 years before PS3 lifetime sales overtook the 360's. And in the end, the 360 still sold about 20 million more consoles than the PS3 did in North America; What gave the PS3 the main lead was the fact that the xbox brand is a complete failure in the Japanese market.
ps3 lost 300$ for every early ps3 console that they sold even if they sold a bit more profit wise ps3 was a shit show. xbox 360 probably did allot better in wich they did not sell consoles with such heavy losses
they where really banking on game sales apprently, attracting consumers with lower console prices.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2006/nov/17/sonylosescash
I'm pretty sure nintendo is the only one who either breaks even per console sale or a small profit since microsoft and sony both lose money per sold console. sony however went a bit overboard during ps3 era. 300$ loss per console is just crazy.
The Red Ring of Death cost Microsoft over a billion.
at 300$ loss per console just selling consoles costed sony Billions. where talking 4 years straight of console selling before they made a cheaper model, Millions of consoles have been sold by that point ps3 was past it's prime at that point.
just 1 billion is small fry compared to the losses that sony made in ps3 era.
When it finally was profitable after many years they made way less money than any other sony console generation.
Ps3 was a big failure for sony standards.
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heck even if we ignore money ps3 in terms of games was very mediocre for sony standards
ps1 had an amazing library with revolutionary titles
ps2 literally dominated the market with an even larger library and once again groundbreaking games reason to play the console.
Ps3 had nothing notable, Ps4 is literally what ps3 was but far better + tons more indi games since that market was booming in the beginning of ps4 era.
The ps3 has a very forgettable library. an inferior ps4 in terms of it's own games and a way less interesting and smaller library of great games.
in comparison out of the 4 sony consoles ps3 has by far the most boring library of them all it's not even a competition.
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Compared to Xbox 360 quite possibly yes allow me to explain from what I learned PlayStation 2 is the best console from Sony aka Soyny coming off on to PlayStation 3 PlayStation 3 was flopping hard,I think PlayStation 2 is either golden age for gaming or golden age for console gaming & let me ask you this who saved Soyny's sorry asses who saved Soyny from almost going to go bankrupt?
Give up? Here's a hint it wasn't the hardcore gamers give up still? It was us weebs who loves anime,anime games,niche games,niche Japanese games,Japanese games & anime niche anime games or you guys can call them fanservice games or anime titty games thanks to us weebs kept Soyny afloat Soyny now chasing us otakus & the weebs,Japanese developers,Japanese publishers,Japanese studios,our Japanese otaku brothers & our Japanese otaku sisters off platforms as thanks for us otakus & the weebs who saved Soyny's sorry asses & saved Soyny's sorry asses almost going to go bankrupt like what us otakus & the weebs did for PlayStation 3.
I wonder how long will Soyny last without us otakus & the weebs we the weebs won't be there again to saved Soyny's sorry asses again after how Soyny backstabbing us otakus,weebs,gamers,final fantasy fan/huge fans & hentai fans,backstabbing our communities & worse of all backstabbing their business partners & for what all for Puritans,normies,SJWs/npcs & feminists & I'm looking forward to PlayStation 5 flopping & flopping hard without us the weebs to saved Soyny's sorry asses again like what we did for PlayStation 3 & I want Soyny to go bankrupt faster the better :).
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Compared to Xbox 360 quite possibly yes allow me to explain from what I learned PlayStation 2 is the best console from Sony aka Soyny coming off on to PlayStation 3 PlayStation 3 was flopping hard,I think PlayStation 2 is either golden age for gaming or golden age for console gaming & let me ask you this who saved Soyny's sorry asses who saved Soyny from almost going to go bankrupt?
Give up? Here's a hint it wasn't the hardcore gamers give up still? It was us weebs who loves anime,anime games,niche games,niche Japanese games,Japanese games & anime niche anime games or you guys can call them fanservice games or anime titty games thanks to us weebs kept Soyny afloat Soyny now chasing us otakus & the weebs,Japanese developers,Japanese publishers,Japanese studios,our Japanese otaku brothers & our Japanese otaku sisters off platforms as thanks for us otakus & the weebs who saved Soyny's sorry asses & saved Soyny's sorry asses almost going to go bankrupt like what us otakus & the weebs did for PlayStation 3.
I wonder how long will Soyny last without us otakus & the weebs we the weebs won't be there again to saved Soyny's sorry asses again after how Soyny backstabbing us otakus,weebs,gamers,final fantasy fan/huge fans & hentai fans,backstabbing our communities & worse of all backstabbing their business partners & for what all for Puritans,normies,SJWs/npcs & feminists & I'm looking forward to PlayStation 5 flopping & flopping hard without us the weebs to saved Soyny's sorry asses again like what we did for PlayStation 3 & I want Soyny to go bankrupt faster the better :).
Otaku's are not the reason that Sony does so well or else the Vita wouldn't have flopped. The Playstation 5 is guaranteed to do well short of them doing something completely out of left field like Xbox did at first with the Xbox One. This kind of talk really serves no purpose, it's toxic and hyperbolic, and it blows up an issue that is incredibly minor and affects very few games. I understand what it is about and I don't agree with most censorship short of real hateful or downright ignorant garbage, but perv games getting some light tweaks or some ass not getting fully shown off in Devil May Cry 5 does not justify wanting bankruptcy from a major pillar of the gaming industry.
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Otaku's are not the reason that Sony does so well or else the Vita wouldn't have flopped. The Playstation 5 is guaranteed to do well short of them doing something completely out of left field like Xbox did at first with the Xbox One. This kind of talk really serves no purpose, it's toxic and hyperbolic, and it blows up an issue that is incredibly minor and affects very few games. I understand what it is about and I don't agree with most censorship short of real hateful or downright ignorant garbage, but perv games getting some light tweaks or some ass not getting fully shown off in Devil May Cry 5 does not justify wanting bankruptcy from a major pillar of the gaming industry.
*Slow clap for truth*
Sony didn't go bankrupt because they had money to burn from the PS2 success, & because they eventually got their stuff together- the second part of the PS3's run got some amazing gems. The Last of Us & Uncharted were PS3. Demon's Souls inspired the genre-defining Dark Souls. There are some really incredible games on the machine.
If Sony was looking to be 'saved' by ecchi games, why did Record of Agarest War only hit digital on PS3? The 360 got a physical release- it even got a limited edition with a '3D mousepad' and 'pillowcase'.
Niche games do not populate on a system to 'save' it, they do so because there's a high enough install base to land sales. Vita, for example, is not being saved because of American anime fans- Vita performed better in Asia overall. Those are the fans being sold to. As a result, the people who are willing to import games are disproportionately Vita owners.
Your complaints are unbecoming- just buy a Switch or a nice gaming PC & relax.
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You’ve both said it more eloquently and far nicer than I would have.
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Im getting some lordscott vibes from edgelord based on his run on sentences and mentioning Final Fantasy in his posts cuz of reasons.
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Im getting some lordscott vibes from edgelord based on his run on sentences and mentioning Final Fantasy in his posts cuz of reasons.
It is. They admitted to it in their first or second post.
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Im getting some lordscott vibes from edgelord based on his run on sentences and mentioning Final Fantasy in his posts cuz of reasons.
It is. They admitted to it in their first or second post.
Makes sense as I said in my previous post. Although the wanting Sony to fail part kind of threw me off.
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Otaku's are not the reason that Sony does so well or else the Vita wouldn't have flopped. The Playstation 5 is guaranteed to do well short of them doing something completely out of left field like Xbox did at first with the Xbox One. This kind of talk really serves no purpose, it's toxic and hyperbolic, and it blows up an issue that is incredibly minor and affects very few games. I understand what it is about and I don't agree with most censorship short of real hateful or downright ignorant garbage, but perv games getting some light tweaks or some ass not getting fully shown off in Devil May Cry 5 does not justify wanting bankruptcy from a major pillar of the gaming industry.
*Slow clap for truth*
Sony didn't go bankrupt because they had money to burn from the PS2 success, & because they eventually got their stuff together- the second part of the PS3's run got some amazing gems. The Last of Us & Uncharted were PS3. Demon's Souls inspired the genre-defining Dark Souls. There are some really incredible games on the machine.
If Sony was looking to be 'saved' by ecchi games, why did Record of Agarest War only hit digital on PS3? The 360 got a physical release- it even got a limited edition with a '3D mousepad' and 'pillowcase'.
Niche games do not populate on a system to 'save' it, they do so because there's a high enough install base to land sales. Vita, for example, is not being saved because of American anime fans- Vita performed better in Asia overall. Those are the fans being sold to. As a result, the people who are willing to import games are disproportionately Vita owners.
Your complaints are unbecoming- just buy a Switch or a nice gaming PC & relax.
are there actually any ecchi or anime games with insane sales. just because in current gen there are allot of them doesn't mean many of them sold exceptionally well. PS vita was kinda the machine for that for example didn't save it since those games do rarely give big sales. There is a market for it but it's not enough for it to make a new console profitable.
I mean the closest things to anime games selling big money are Final Fantasy, kingdom hearts and persona 5 maybe and even than pales in comparison to stuff like gran tourismo fifa GTA COD mario pokemon the actual system sellers.
Or what about witcher assasins greed red dead redemption wich again are games that have way more sales than pretty much any anime games. Anime games rarely if ever carry consoles, and in the case that they do, the consoles aren't that succesfull with low sales since your missing out on the majority of the buyers than.
but yes on a popular consoles you'll have a higher shot of the more niche games to be bought since you'll have more potential buyers.
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You guys kidding me? Gun Gun Pixies has single-handedly saved the Switch, and we all know it. They sold like 50 copies of that, at least! 50 copies that soy eating Sony lost out on... :P
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I had a 360, but a friend lent me his PS3 so I could catch up on it's exclusives, but I could never get it to capture footage on my elgato. I finally gave up when he was asking for it back; when it came time to try and get a chance to play those exclusives again, I decided to just get a PS4 instead of trying to deal with the hassle (I had even bought an HDMI splitter to get around it but still never got it working)
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PS3 was not a commercial failure.
Also not a failure with the heavy hitting 1st and 3rd party titles.
Not a failure as the best, cheapest, and most versatile blu ray player for about a decade.
Seriously. It supported more of the blu ray spec than any other player on the market. They even added 3D blu ray support later.
So no. Not a failure.
That said. Not perfect either.
Tho I still have mine and a healthy library, here’s how it failed me.
Lost my credit card info in one of the largest data breaches in corporate history. Gave me a copy of Little Big Planet in return.
Pulled Linux support at the drop of a hat. Lost my data and my chance to learn cell processing and land a high performance computing job. (Not kidding).
Abandoned backwards compatibility after overly expensive hardware attempts and half assed software attempts.
Superhuman effort required to keep the console alive. Your PS3 will not last as long as your NES, SNES, N64 did. Yes, my launch model phat still works. But check these very forums. Every 3 years I take the whole thing apart. Re thermal paste the cpu and gpu and reassemble.
The longevity insult is made worse by the complete lack of PS3 compatibility in the PS4.
SONY did NOTHING to add/maintain the value of PS Plus when they stopped including free PS3 and Vita titles each month.
All the above for me led to an erosion of my confidence and loyalty to the brand over time.
Yeah, I have a PS4 Pro. Yes, I am getting a PS5.
But I also have an Xbox One X and plan on getting a Series X.
I’ve even repurchased much of my PS3 library on 360 because most of them work on XB1 and will also work on Series X.
PS3 was NOT a failure. But SONY sure as hell let me down time after time with it. There was a good 5-6 year run where it felt like they resented me being their customer along with their “obligation” to provide me with their goods and services.