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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: shatterstar69 on July 08, 2021, 05:38:59 am
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I am not a big handheld player. I own the GBA, the PSP and PS Vita but I honestly don't play them at all except on vacations or long road trips. I have never owned or played the Nintendo DS. I exclusively play my Nintendo Switch in docked mode so I was disappointed to see the only real extra feature being the OLED screen (something the Vita had day one back in 2011). What is your opinion of this new model? Frankly I am going to pass on it.
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I have a launch edition Switch for the family console. Regardless of the great third party support the system is getting, I only buy family friendly games and they're often 2+ players. That means that my Switch is docked 90% of the time. The 10% that it's used as a handheld is when my teenager grabs it from the dock and sits on the couch to play some Animal Crossing. I also don't sub to the Nintendo online service as I don't want my kids online. Frankly, all gaming communities have a toxic side. It happens online and that's why my kids aren't allowed on social media either.
Back to the topic at hand though... the new OLED Switch's added features are completely useless to me. The slightly better screen? Don't care. It would be used 10% of the time by one person in the family. Ethernet port in the dock? Don't care as it would be used to needlessly update games that can easily do that with the wi-fi. I hear you also loose one of the USB ports on the dock which would make it a bit more difficult to use the Gamecube controller adapter as it requires 2 USB ports. Then lastly, 64GB internal space... yay? I have a 200GB micro SD card in my Switch and it has Sonic Mania on it and some demos. What a waste of space.
No... this will be a pass from me and I think this model is half assed and Nintendo is being greedy as hell. Adding $50 to the price tag of incredibly old tech should be seen as a slap to the face of Nintendo fans. They should be dropping the price of the original model to $200-$250 and make the new OLED model $250-$300. As it stands at $350... the Switch OLED is only $50 less than a digital only PS5 (if you can find one).
That said, I know this new model will sell like hot cakes... at least for a while. I know plenty of Nintendo fans that buy every iteration of every handheld from them. This isn't a new practice from Nintendo... we've seen it with every handheld of theirs. Nintendo fans have been groomed to expect this and eat it up.
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I was kinda expecting it to be stronger, like a next gen switch, to get closer to XB Series X and PS5 for more games to be able to be on it.
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It's certainly an underwhelming upgrade, but personally I'm okay with it. I thought they would might something like the "New" 3DS and beef up the performance a little bit while also releasing some games that would only work on the new model.
But because they aren't upgrading the performance, the battery life, the joy-cons, anything, I have no hang ups about passing on it.
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It would be nice to see people not buy it so Nintendo can stop getting away with doing the bare minimum but that won't happen. Instead people will be paying $500+ for it on eBay because it's new.
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Underwhelming is the understatement of the year.
Nintendo nintendoing it up as usual.
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I play mine in docked mode anyways, so no need for me to get one for a screen upgrade. And I already have a memory card in it for expansion.
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Everyone and their mothers swore up and down that the Switch Pro was happening without any sort of merit based on rumors and now this happens and people are butthurt. Expectations were set too high.
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We all got hyped up for the leaks of this supposedly switch pro.
Even indi game devs like eyden chronicles where anticipating some upgrade on Nintendo hardware.
Leaks are going to be leaks. If the leaks didn't happen we'd all just look at it as just another model with some minor QOL upgrades the expectation for a pro version wouldn't even exist. These leaks really had people banking on double dipping, this being the must have version of the console.
It is however kinda amusing that people sold their older model switch before an announcement for such a minor upgrade some even tried to buy the old model back and couldn't find it at the price they sold it for. So many people went all in on the switch pro The reactions of so many people have been priceless.
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It would be nice to see people not buy it so Nintendo can stop getting away with doing the bare minimum but that won't happen. Instead people will be paying $500+ for it on eBay because it's new.
I've seen people getting excited for the plastic stand. some Nintendo fans will buy everything ::)
Still this was never intended to be double dip material. Nintendo just wanted to release a new model for people who didn't own the console yet, that's their target audience. in a way it's respectable because it means the older models are still valuable and not inferior.
People who bought early don't need to buy a newer version not the worst thing if you'd ask me not everyone wants to buy a console twice to play exclusives within the same generation. new 3ds especially with them exclusive games if you had the og it feels a bit shit being forced to buy the console again for those few exclusives. The feeling of being ripped off. exclusives within the same generation for the more powerfull console only ain't the best thing if you'd ask me. better specs and load times etc are fine but exclusives making the older console unusable no thanks. your locking out the majority of your playerbase than.
It wasn't that succesfull either considering how few exclusive games they made for it. way more games where made that where compatible with both in final years. aside from xenoblade and fire emblem warriors I can't remember wich other new 3ds games existed
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Yeah, I don't think any of the "New" 3DS only games were that great or ran/looked that well (I've only played Xenoblade Chronicles 3D). But, the processing power was helpful for other games, and the added c-stick had some functionality as well.
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Honestly doesn't do much for me. I play my Switch docked to my TV 98% of the time so the OLED screen means very little to me. Definitely not going to get one anytime soon.
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Yeah, I don't think any of the "New" 3DS only games were that great or ran/looked that well (I've only played Xenoblade Chronicles 3D). But, the processing power was helpful for other games, and the added c-stick had some functionality as well.
Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and Fire Emblem Warriors are basically the only two worth a damn; however, they were ported to the Switch, so...
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Yeah, I don't think any of the "New" 3DS only games were that great or ran/looked that well (I've only played Xenoblade Chronicles 3D). But, the processing power was helpful for other games, and the added c-stick had some functionality as well.
Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and Fire Emblem Warriors are basically the only two worth a damn; however, they were ported to the Switch, so...
Were there more than just these two because? I didnt really pay attention to the New 3DS exclusive titles so these are the primary 2 I am aware of.
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Were there more than just these two because? I didnt really pay attention to the New 3DS exclusive titles so these are the primary 2 I am aware of.
There were tons of garbage New 3DS exclusives on the eshop because unity supported the New 3DS but not the old 3DS
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Almost entirely pointless and unnecessary is about what I'd say of it. No one was wanting this. I'm sure the screen will be nice, I know people use handheld alot, but it really doesn't seem worth upgrading for at all, especially when it costs more than the base Switch. I just want better performance, and not in a way that some people think Nintendo has to directly compete power wise with Sony and Xbox, I just want to play Breath of the Wild without the framerate tanking in certain areas lol
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It's maybe the most pointless hardware revision since the Wii Mini. I never use my Switch as a handheld anyway, so I don't see the appeal in spending 50 dollars more for a slightly better screen.
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Were there more than just these two because? I didnt really pay attention to the New 3DS exclusive titles so these are the primary 2 I am aware of.
Other than Minecraft: New Nintendo 3DS Edition, the bulk of the titles exclusive to the system are digital releases, as raggerreadfish pointed out, none of which are truly anything to write home about.
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Everyone and their mothers swore up and down that the Switch Pro was happening without any sort of merit based on rumors and now this happens and people are butthurt. Expectations were set too high.
They weren't too high, just too high for Nintendo. Expecting 4K upscaling or even HDR (2013 PS4 supports this) seems like a pretty reasonable expectation instead it has no internal upgrades at all.
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It's maybe the most pointless hardware revision since the Wii Mini. I never use my Switch as a handheld anyway, so I don't see the appeal in spending 50 dollars more for a slightly better screen.
I'm the opposite with switch usage, where 90% of it is in handheld mode, but I'm of the same opinion. There's just no incentive or desire to upgrade.
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Pretty much every other Nintendo revision in the past
A. Offered significant improvements or new features (GBA SP, New 3DS)
B. Offered a very different form factor (GB Micro, 3DS XL)
C. Was a budget option (Wii Mini, New 2DS XL)
The Switch OLED does not offer any significant new features or improvements since it only introduces a slightly improved screen and other very minor additions that most people probably wouldn't even notice. It does not have a very different form factor since the Joy Cons are the same and the unit is almost the same size as the original. And it's not a budget option either because it costs $50 more than the 4 year old base model.
I have absolutely no idea what the point of this thing is. This seems like Nintendo's most pointless hardware revision of all time, which is saying a lot.
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At the job I jokingly refer to the new Switch as the "Switch Vita" (because the Vita had a OLED screen back in 2011) and it's like if Nintendo wants the Switch to become a little more like the Vita.
But it's really just a way for us Vita fanboys to pretend the Vita didn't fail :'(
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At the job I jokingly refer to the new Switch as the "Switch Vita" (because the Vita had a OLED screen back in 2011) and it's like if Nintendo wants the Switch to become a little more like the Vita.
But it's really just a way for us Vita fanboys to pretend the Vita didn't fail :'(
The Vita didn't fail! It...it just didn't succeed! :P
As for this new Switch...underwhelming is the first term that comes to mind. Funny enough, someone like me could probably benefit from a bigger and brighter screen. I tried playing Bloodstained on vacation and could hardly make anything out. :-\
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At the job I jokingly refer to the new Switch as the "Switch Vita" (because the Vita had a OLED screen back in 2011) and it's like if Nintendo wants the Switch to become a little more like the Vita.
But it's really just a way for us Vita fanboys to pretend the Vita didn't fail :'(
Vita who? ;D
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Got my hopes up for nothing. I was going to buy one, but I’m going to hold out.
My fan is super-loud, so I was planning an upgrade. I’m just going to try to hold out until my day 1 Switch gives up the ghost.
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I'm the opposite with switch usage, where 90% of it is in handheld mode, but I'm of the same opinion. There's just no incentive or desire to upgrade.
Seriously, the selling points are that it has an ever so slightly better screen and an ethernet jack? This should simply just be the new standard Switch console they ship and the original model should just stop being produced. Can you imagine if they charged 50 dollars more for a 1-Chip SNES console back in the day because the video is much sharper? Nintendo thinks it can just keep peddling out seven-year-old Wii U games, 5-15 year-old games from two generations ago, and old and tired Mario Party and sports games. That might satiate fanboys, but the Switch has become the least essential Nintendo console in my book since I supported the Wii U in its day.
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Seriously, the selling points are that it has an ever so slightly better screen and an ethernet jack? This should simply just be the new standard Switch console they ship and the original model should just stop being produced. Can you imagine if they charged 50 dollars more for a 1-Chip SNES console back in the day because the video is much sharper? Nintendo thinks it can just keep peddling out seven-year-old Wii U games, 5-15 year-old games from two generations ago, and old and tired Mario Party and sports games. That might satiate fanboys, but the Switch has become the least essential Nintendo console in my book since I supported the Wii U in its day.
It's easier to fool our customers than to convince them that they have been fooled.
- Nintendo channeling Mark Twain...maybe
The truth is we've never fooled anyone. We've let our customers fool themselves.
- Also Nintendo channeling Marilyn Monroe...probably
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I'm the opposite with switch usage, where 90% of it is in handheld mode, but I'm of the same opinion. There's just no incentive or desire to upgrade.
Seriously, the selling points are that it has an ever so slightly better screen and an ethernet jack? This should simply just be the new standard Switch console they ship and the original model should just stop being produced. Can you imagine if they charged 50 dollars more for a 1-Chip SNES console back in the day because the video is much sharper? Nintendo thinks it can just keep peddling out seven-year-old Wii U games, 5-15 year-old games from two generations ago, and old and tired Mario Party and sports games. That might satiate fanboys, but the Switch has become the least essential Nintendo console in my book since I supported the Wii U in its day.
Most people won't notice the difference between a regular and 1 chip if where talking image quality
let alone that a 1chip's full potential only works on pretty good crt tv's on most run of the mill crt screens there ain't going to be a difference between a 1chip and a regular snes.
Even on these pricy crt screens the difference is still pretty ignorable for a majority of people. There is a difference but only with the right equipment plus it being a pretty miniscule difference withouth a side by side comparison you might not even know what your missing. AGS 101 is a pretty decent improvent but the 1chip snes is one of the most tiny upgrades we got in a console ever. it's a good thing it was hidden cause because most consumers would feel ripped off at it looking identical if they had to pay more while it's the same grey block like always. as a bonus unlike the regular snes the 1 chip has grapical glitches at certain parts in some games wich is considered normal. aside from being a small upgrade you do have some incompatibility issues.
Still though the snes oled model costing 50$ more seems logical considering you got a better quality screen this ain't an lcd screen but it's an oled one in handheld mode the image is going to look better than the old switch thanks to this new screen. At the end of the day You got to see it as a fancy version if you'd like to splurge more it just looks more shiny don't allot of other products have more fancy versions aswell withouth any spec improvements it does look more luxurious after all? Nintendo never promised a switch pro that's what we thought because of the leaks. Still on the plus side you don't have to double dip especially if your a docked player anyway that's a win aswell I'd say.
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not to shit on the wii u btw. but allot of the wii u games where not great I supported the wii u aswell.
Mario party 9 & 10 where bad, mario tennis ultra was really bad
Super mario party and this old school mario party are actually a return to former glory same for mario tennis aces. VS play is even better than power tennis.
And let's not forget the big fish Mario odyssey and smash ultimate being a hell lot superior than what we got on Wii u. The new stuff that we got on switch is pretty nice compared to the mediocre slob that the wii u has given us. instead of the slow pace of brawl that we got in smash 4. It's more towards smash bros melee in speed now plus brand new mechanics that are fun.
Fire emblem tokyo mirage on wii u vs an actual fire emblem game in 3 houses on switch.
Or what about stuff like SMT V and nocturne. Animal crossing amiibo cash grab vs actual animal crossin game on switch. Where getting 2 brand new metroid games on switch.
paper mario color splash almost considered the bottom of the barrel vs decent paper mario game on switch in origami king, What kirby game did wii u got again? Some tech demo vs kirby all star allies on switch. What amazing stuff did we get on wii u again? We got so many heavy hit releases on switch. There was rarely anything to be excited about on wii u and what we got with few exceptions was just acceptable but not to special wich I'd expect from Nintendo.
tropical freeze, xenoblade x and toad treasure trackers are not worthwhile compared to the new stuff we got on switch. I'm being scammed if I'd pick those titles over what the switch has to offer in terms of new stuff. (2 got ported but just for the sake of giving some examples of the wii u getting us some new decent stuff)
What are the arguments for the switch not being essential? Sure it got allot of the wii u games ported, But it got allot of brand new titles that are actually Pretty great entries in the series unlike most wii u games wich where pretty generic for Nintendo standards. indi game support is killing it on switch aswell and you can play games in handheld mode. Switch got more brand new stuff than wii u ports. It has definitely surpassed the wii u in brand new 1st party content at this point and it's only growing.
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I think the indie games available on the Switch alone make it worth owning alongside a Wii U if we put the first-party offerings aside for a second.
But I will definitely agree that the Switch overall has much less value if you have a decent Wii U library already. There's just so much overlap between the Switch and Wii U, with a significant portion of Nintendo's first party lineup on the Switch being either sequels with marginal improvements (Splatoon 2, SSB Ultimate, Mario Maker 2, Yoshi's Crafted World, Mario Tennis Aces), or just the straight up ports from the Wii U.
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I think the indie games available on the Switch alone make it worth owning alongside a Wii U if we put the first-party offerings aside for a second.
But I will definitely agree that the Switch overall has much less value if you have a decent Wii U library already. There's just so much overlap between the Switch and Wii U, with a significant portion of Nintendo's first party lineup on the Switch being either sequels with marginal improvements (Splatoon 2, SSB Ultimate, Mario Maker 2, Yoshi's Crafted World, Mario Tennis Aces), or just the straight up ports from the Wii U.
how is smash ultimate different compared to any other smash game in the series, Just like any other smash game it did swap up the mechanics it's totally different compared to smash 4 i don't see how the title is less unique.
Also mario tennis ultra was legitmately a bad entry in the series while tennis aces is one of the best with great mechanics on par with power tennis. these are not marginal improvements. the mechanics in the wii u mario tennis where terrible
Also if where talking sequels isn't that what happens on almost any console ever? If a series done well it gets a sequel. i don't see how the switch having sequels is a bad thing. Sequels are not a rare thing how is it that different on switch
Also at this point the Switch does have more 1st party content including non sequels than what the wii u had. so it's really just bonus material at this point. Nintendo suddenly porting games from last gen systems starting with the switch has rubbed people the wrong way it seems
Sony and microsft have done that for decades already.
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I think the indie games available on the Switch alone make it worth owning alongside a Wii U if we put the first-party offerings aside for a second
1000%.
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Most people won't notice the difference between a regular and 1 chip if where talking image quality
Average people aren't going to notice the difference between the original Switch screen vs the new model either. It's not until you advertise this and charge 50 dollars more that people even care. ::)
And let's not forget the big fish Mario odyssey and smash ultimate being a hell lot superior than what we got on Wii u. The new stuff that we got on switch is pretty nice compared to the mediocre slob that the wii u has given us. instead of the slow pace of brawl that we got in smash 4. It's more towards smash bros melee in speed now plus brand new mechanics that are fun.
Mario Odyssey Golf Story is the best game I've played on the Nintendo Switch. Luigi's Mansion 3 ain't bad neither. Smash Ultimate? It reuses 80% of the character models from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U. It's fun I guess, but it's like the smallest evolution in terms of gameplay and mechanics of any game in that series. The fanbase turns me off of it mostly.
paper mario color splash almost considered the bottom of the barrel vs decent paper mario game on switch in origami king, What kirby game did wii u got again? Some tech demo vs kirby all star allies on switch.
Both of those Paper Mario games and Kirby games are mediocre at best.
What are the arguments for the switch not being essential?
It's an underpowered, overpriced, Wii U port, multi-plat indie game machine. If you love it, good for you. For me, I like it okay, bu it'd be the first Nintendo console I gave up if I had to.
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I think the indie games available on the Switch alone make it worth owning alongside a Wii U if we put the first-party offerings aside for a second.
But I will definitely agree that the Switch overall has much less value if you have a decent Wii U library already. There's just so much overlap between the Switch and Wii U, with a significant portion of Nintendo's first party lineup on the Switch being either sequels with marginal improvements (Splatoon 2, SSB Ultimate, Mario Maker 2, Yoshi's Crafted World, Mario Tennis Aces), or just the straight up ports from the Wii U.
how is smash ultimate different compared to any other smash game in the series, Just like any other smash game it did swap up the mechanics it's totally different compared to smash 4 i don't see how the title is less unique.
Also mario tennis ultra was legitmately a bad entry in the series while tennis aces is one of the best with great mechanics on par with power tennis. these are not marginal improvements. the mechanics in the wii u mario tennis where terrible
As Aliensstudios said, the Ultimate and 4 play almost identically, and they were both well received. It's only the roster of characters that makes Smash Ultimate better. Aces was still underdeveloped with the adventure mode and content just like Ultra Smash was, it's just... not as bad as Ultra Smash. I certainly don't think it's the best Mario tennis game in the series, but I might be in the minority on that one, since I know a lot of people liked it.
Also if where talking sequels isn't that what happens on almost any console ever? If a series done well it gets a sequel. i don't see how the switch having sequels is a bad thing. Sequels are not a rare thing how is it that different on switch
For me, it's not about whether a game gets a sequel or not, it's more about what that sequel adds to the series that's new or interesting. That's what I was getting at with those 4 games I mentioned above.
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I think the indie games available on the Switch alone make it worth owning alongside a Wii U if we put the first-party offerings aside for a second.
But I will definitely agree that the Switch overall has much less value if you have a decent Wii U library already. There's just so much overlap between the Switch and Wii U, with a significant portion of Nintendo's first party lineup on the Switch being either sequels with marginal improvements (Splatoon 2, SSB Ultimate, Mario Maker 2, Yoshi's Crafted World, Mario Tennis Aces), or just the straight up ports from the Wii U.
how is smash ultimate different compared to any other smash game in the series, Just like any other smash game it did swap up the mechanics it's totally different compared to smash 4 i don't see how the title is less unique.
Also mario tennis ultra was legitmately a bad entry in the series while tennis aces is one of the best with great mechanics on par with power tennis. these are not marginal improvements. the mechanics in the wii u mario tennis where terrible
As Aliensstudios said, the Ultimate and 4 play almost identically, and they were both well received. It's only the roster of characters that makes Smash Ultimate better. Aces was still underdeveloped with the adventure mode and content just like Ultra Smash was, it's just... not as bad as Ultra Smash. I certainly don't think it's the best Mario tennis game in the series, but I might be in the minority on that one, since I know a lot of people liked it.
Power tennis on cube definitely wins in the single player department but in terms of vs play Tennis aces has great mechanics surpassing the cube's entry. Besides even in the cube era multiplayer 1 vs 1 content was the most fun aswell. so 1 vs 1 gameplay being great is the most important thing since once you finish the single player content your replay value comes in them 1 vs 1 matches that's where the most fun comes from in them mario tennis series. The basic mechanics in this game are very well done and the slo mo mechanic and being able to destroy your opponent racket forcing them to forfeit are very welcome bonusses for gimmicks. The music is also amazing.
As far as smash goes.
It doesn't play the same mechanics got switched up by quite allot
The difference in gameplay is way larger than brawl to smash 4.
You can parry moves nowadays wich is the opposite of the perfect shield in other smash games in wich you let the shield button go right before a hit in wich your opponent gets delayed in wich you can punish. you can only air dodge 1 time while midair. In smash 4 and brawl you could spam that button withouth any risk edge guards are way more common in smash ultimate as a result. Also unlike in smash brawl and 4. you can move decide the direction in wich you air dodge wich can be a double jump for some characters or make terrible recoveries a bit better. also if your air dodging off stage in ultimate you might die because of the lag. in smash 4 and brawl you where free to spam it to your hearts content. invincibility for days the attacker could actually be at risk so edge guarding was rare in brawl and especially smash 4.
Shields while crazy strong in brawl and smash 4 are pretty weak in ultimate. Shield breaks happen allot faster, offensive play is far more rewarding. The game has a way faster flow compared to the campy play of brawl and smash 4
Also while rolling smash brawl and smash 4 came withouth risk your roll is getting slower and slower when you spam it in ultimate making it far easier to punish. rage mechanic is almost gone now. unlike smash 4 a factor wich made combo's really inconsistent and introduced to many random elements.
Smash attacks can be charged and held back for a ridiculously long time now making room for mind game shenenigans wich where impossible in previous smash games.
Also we got new competitive modes to play games smash down but more importantly squadstrike in wich you make a team of 3 characters. speaking of competitive you can turn every stage into a battlefield or final destination keeping the area background and it's music. Let alone that you can even turn off stage hazzards in wich allot more stages are tournament legal nowadays. The customization that smash ultimate introduced is really nice a first in the smash series.
Also if where talking casual play they introduced 8 player smash, Final smash meter in wich you gain a final smash when you take enough damage naturally during battle. When you land the killing blow you get a close up plus sound nowadays. It's especially exciting when people survive those giving extra tension in them matches.
also unlike what other people say models did not get reused, They are remade from the ground up and it does have a different art style. Does the difference seem smaller than usual? Sure does but that's mostly because we are at a point in wich it can't look that much better. Singeplayer content wise smash 4 had nothing a mario party board game. Smash ultimate has world of light in wich you can power up your character with rpg esk elements in the form of spirits that you collect while traversing the world map. It's not subspace emmisary but them bosses are pretty cool.
Smash 4 and brawl's balance where horrible. with a select few god characters dominating the game. Meanwhile smash ultimate has a very balanced roster almost any character has a shot against anyone the variety in good characters in ultimate is pretty great. Smash ultimate has been the most balanced smash game we got since smash 64. you don't have gods like meta knight or bayo. mainly because they made most characters allot faster and gave heavy's a shot so that they could keep up with the rest.
Overall though. smash 4 and brawl are pretty slow pased rewarding very defensive campy playstyles. Ultimate is more like melee fast paced rewarding offensive play it's a huge change considering we got 2 slow very defensive orientated smash games in a row. it's nice that we got a more aggresive smash game again.
The only big difference that smash 4 had from brawl that was major during gameplay was edge hogging. in past smash games only 1 person can hang on the ledge if you'd grab the ledge during invincibility anyone else trying to grab it will fail and die. In smash 4 and ultimate you'll always grab the hedge anyway.
Also the rage mechanics I guess but that's less obvious. when you have more damage your moves have more knockback. and they removed tripping although i doubt that allot of non competitive players noticed that plus you could avoid it by fast walking and it wasn't a common occurence.
Aside from the hidden tech. gameplay wise brawl and smash 4 are way closer than smash 4 to ultimate.
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It's an underpowered, overpriced, Wii U port, multi-plat indie game machine. If you love it, good for you. For me, I like it okay, bu it'd be the first Nintendo console I gave up if I had to.
I got a Switch quite recently—about four months ago, give or take—and I've pretty much given up on it. Hopefully Metroid Dread will help spark some interest on the console. There are some upcoming releases that are tentative, too, so we'll see.