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VGCollect Site Stuff => Video Game Database Discussion => Topic started by: exonerator on October 28, 2014, 04:37:06 pm
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Stoooop doooooing thaaaaat. Please. If you want to add the EU version to the database, don't change the NA entry to reflect EU information (or vice versa). Make a new entry, it's not a duplicate.
I'm sure most, if not all of you know better, but I'm just publicly putting it here as a thing that has happened on the database several times in the past few days (the edits I'm talking about are from the past 2 days) by several members. I didn't think much of it before, but it really confused me today as it happened so frequently. For example, and I'm not pointing any names, a user submitted an edit to Dragon Ball: Raging Blast [NA] (http://vgcollect.com/item/39375). It's a game that was released on the Xbox 360 and PS3 in NA and EU (as well as JP and AUS). Imagine my confusion when I saw this in the updates feed.
(http://i.imgur.com/RULQnTI.png)
It makes someone who doesn't keep up on Dragonball games to think that it was erroneously added as NA when it was an EU release, or something. Something that made me have to double check Wikipedia and the Dragonball Wikia and stuff. Something that boggled my mind, and wasted my time. To make things weirder, there was already a [EU] version of it (http://vgcollect.com/item/70352), so I have no idea what was going on here, and I'm getting tired of it, because the same thing happened for the releases of Tropico 4 on the 360, as well as the box art for Pokemon Emerald being incorrectly edited in the same timespan. All by different users.
I'm not trying to vilify anyone, I'm just really getting fed up with the quality of edits being made lately, especially ones made by newer members that haven't read the rules. So consider this a little rant, as well as a little change in ruling.
I'll be sending PMs to people who make these regional errors from now on. Over and out.
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Don't worry We'll all get through this together.
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Seriously?!
That's just straight-up being fucking lazy >:(
Like the man said, if you've got an EU version of a game to add...by all means - add it & take our appreciation for your contribution; don't do some lazy-ass ghetto shit like this...just so *Your* collection is right!
TL;DR = Don't be a dick, most all of us here have a very low tolerance for dicks & dick-moves ;)
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Don't worry We'll all get through this together.
(http://i.imgur.com/I0pt1aY.png)
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Seriously?!
That's just straight-up being fucking lazy >:(
Like the man said, if you've got an EU version of a game to add...by all means - add it & take our appreciation for your contribution; don't do some lazy-ass ghetto shit like this...just so *Your* collection is right!
TL;DR = Don't be a dick, most all of us here have a very low tolerance for dicks & dick-moves ;)
Agreed wholeheartedly. I'd take 10 dupes of a game before I accept changing the region of a source entry. It's just silly. And it's really frustrating when I'm accepting edits, and there's a whole long string of good trusted edits by people like you, davifus, and badATchaos for example (where I never really have to read the edits, because I know that it's correct), and I can just click accept accept accept accept, only to be interrupted by some mundane thing like this. So yeah, I'm a bit bitter :p Hopefully things get worked out in the near future to curb this problem, though.
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Don't worry We'll all get through this together.
(http://i.imgur.com/I0pt1aY.png)
:o
Seriously?!
That's just straight-up being fucking lazy >:(
Like the man said, if you've got an EU version of a game to add...by all means - add it & take our appreciation for your contribution; don't do some lazy-ass ghetto shit like this...just so *Your* collection is right!
TL;DR = Don't be a dick, most all of us here have a very low tolerance for dicks & dick-moves ;)
Agreed wholeheartedly. I'd take 10 dupes of a game before I accept changing the region of a source entry. It's just silly. And it's really frustrating when I'm accepting edits, and there's a whole long string of good trusted edits by people like you, davifus, and badATchaos for example (where I never really have to read the edits, because I know that it's correct), and I can just click accept accept accept accept, only to be interrupted by some mundane thing like this. So yeah, I'm a bit bitter :p Hopefully things get worked out in the near future to curb this problem, though.
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Those users will never read these forums. They won't stop unless you send them a PM and tell them to stop. And even then, some are stubborn and won't stop.
I'm sick of it but I also don't feel like venting it out on the forums, so...
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Those users will never read these forums. They won't stop unless you send them a PM and tell them to stop. And even then, some are stubborn and won't stop.
I'm sick of it but I also don't feel like venting it out on the forums, so...
>Give them a warning?
>Continues then assume they're trolls?
>IP Ban?
>Or is that abusing power?
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I only wish I had that sort of power over accounts.
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If it were me, I'd ban them outright. Honestly tired of being bleeding heart towards people who can't even RTFM. But hey, it's not so... I'll just PM them when it comes up again, because it will.
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Hey exonerator & foxhack, just wanted to say thank you. I really appreciate all the hard work you guys do to keep this site the way it is. Word up! ;)
- Retro
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Not to make the admins angry or something.
But it should stop to make a entry with the wrong picture. The example by Exonerator for the [EU] game has a [US] picture. In my eyes this sends a wrong message to new user who see this. I rather see no picture then the wrong one.
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Not to make the admins angry or something.
But it should stop to make a entry with the wrong picture. The example by Exonerator for the [EU] game has a [US] picture. In my eyes this sends a wrong message to new user who see this. I rather see no picture then the wrong one.
I get what you're saying and - it looks like you're right about the EU version having the NA picture.
That said...wouldn't it have taken you about the same amount of time (if not less) to simply edit it (by replacing the wrong pic w/ the correct one) than it took you to type up a post pointing out & complaining about it?
I'm just saying - there's definitely acceptable times & places for pointing out & addressing problems + mistakes -and- indeed, even for complaining about them...God knows - I couldn't say that I never do these things myself (not w/ a straight face, at least); and...not w/o being one of those people that I so despise, and for whom I have a 'special' brand of contempt for (aka hypocrites) -BUT- and this may just be a pet peeve all my own, but...
...didn't it just feel a little bit; not *right*, I guess - to take the time to notice the mistake, link to pages where you were, ya know...looking right at the mistake, come back to this topic to point out & complain about the mistake...and NOT to Correct it, instead of just leaving it there for someone else to fix?
IDK, is it just me that - if I find myself on a page w/ a mistake on it...would, w/o any need to think about it...just go ahead & fix it; and not really understand those who don't?
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Not to make the admins angry or something.
But it should stop to make a entry with the wrong picture. The example by Exonerator for the [EU] game has a [US] picture. In my eyes this sends a wrong message to new user who see this. I rather see no picture then the wrong one.
I don't have the time to edit every single game image myself.
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Not to make the admins angry or something.
But it should stop to make a entry with the wrong picture. The example by Exonerator for the [EU] game has a [US] picture. In my eyes this sends a wrong message to new user who see this. I rather see no picture then the wrong one.
I get what you're saying and - it looks like you're right about the EU version having the NA picture.
That said...wouldn't it have taken you about the same amount of time (if not less) to simply edit it (by replacing the wrong pic w/ the correct one) than it took you to type up a post pointing out & complaining about it?
I'm just saying - there's definitely acceptable times & places for pointing out & addressing problems + mistakes -and- indeed, even for complaining about them...God knows - I couldn't say that I never do these things myself (not w/ a straight face, at least); and...not w/o being one of those people that I so despise, and for whom I have a 'special' brand of contempt for (aka hypocrites) -BUT- and this may just be a pet peeve all my own, but...
...didn't it just feel a little bit; not *right*, I guess - to take the time to notice the mistake, link to pages where you were, ya know...looking right at the mistake, come back to this topic to point out & complain about the mistake...and NOT to Correct it, instead of just leaving it there for someone else to fix?
IDK, is it just me that - if I find myself on a page w/ a mistake on it...would, w/o any need to think about it...just go ahead & fix it; and not really understand those who don't?
That said, i could, if i have the game, but i dont have it. Then again, wich [EU] version shall i put there? And i only use my own scans instead of stealing scans from the internet.
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Not to make the admins angry or something.
But it should stop to make a entry with the wrong picture. The example by Exonerator for the [EU] game has a [US] picture. In my eyes this sends a wrong message to new user who see this. I rather see no picture then the wrong one.
I get what you're saying and - it looks like you're right about the EU version having the NA picture.
That said...wouldn't it have taken you about the same amount of time (if not less) to simply edit it (by replacing the wrong pic w/ the correct one) than it took you to type up a post pointing out & complaining about it?
I'm just saying - there's definitely acceptable times & places for pointing out & addressing problems + mistakes -and- indeed, even for complaining about them...God knows - I couldn't say that I never do these things myself (not w/ a straight face, at least); and...not w/o being one of those people that I so despise, and for whom I have a 'special' brand of contempt for (aka hypocrites) -BUT- and this may just be a pet peeve all my own, but...
...didn't it just feel a little bit; not *right*, I guess - to take the time to notice the mistake, link to pages where you were, ya know...looking right at the mistake, come back to this topic to point out & complain about the mistake...and NOT to Correct it, instead of just leaving it there for someone else to fix?
IDK, is it just me that - if I find myself on a page w/ a mistake on it...would, w/o any need to think about it...just go ahead & fix it; and not really understand those who don't?
That said, i could, if i have the game, but i dont have it. Then again, wich [EU] version shall i put there? And i only use my own scans instead of stealing scans from the internet.
Why?
There's plenty of good images on company web sites, Amazon, G*Faqs, Moby games, etc...why not use em?
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I didnt say you shouldnt use them.
Btw, mobygames you can report here http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,1033.0.html (http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,1033.0.html)
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Not to make the admins angry or something.
But it should stop to make a entry with the wrong picture. The example by Exonerator for the [EU] game has a [US] picture. In my eyes this sends a wrong message to new user who see this. I rather see no picture then the wrong one.
I get what you're saying and - it looks like you're right about the EU version having the NA picture.
That said...wouldn't it have taken you about the same amount of time (if not less) to simply edit it (by replacing the wrong pic w/ the correct one) than it took you to type up a post pointing out & complaining about it?
I'm just saying - there's definitely acceptable times & places for pointing out & addressing problems + mistakes -and- indeed, even for complaining about them...God knows - I couldn't say that I never do these things myself (not w/ a straight face, at least); and...not w/o being one of those people that I so despise, and for whom I have a 'special' brand of contempt for (aka hypocrites) -BUT- and this may just be a pet peeve all my own, but...
...didn't it just feel a little bit; not *right*, I guess - to take the time to notice the mistake, link to pages where you were, ya know...looking right at the mistake, come back to this topic to point out & complain about the mistake...and NOT to Correct it, instead of just leaving it there for someone else to fix?
IDK, is it just me that - if I find myself on a page w/ a mistake on it...would, w/o any need to think about it...just go ahead & fix it; and not really understand those who don't?
That said, i could, if i have the game, but i dont have it. Then again, wich [EU] version shall i put there? And i only use my own scans instead of stealing scans from the internet.
Why?
There's plenty of good images on company web sites, Amazon, G*Faqs, Moby games, etc...why not use em?
Higlight the more importend part ;)
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Not to make the admins angry or something.
But it should stop to make a entry with the wrong picture. The example by Exonerator for the [EU] game has a [US] picture. In my eyes this sends a wrong message to new user who see this. I rather see no picture then the wrong one.
I get what you're saying and - it looks like you're right about the EU version having the NA picture.
That said...wouldn't it have taken you about the same amount of time (if not less) to simply edit it (by replacing the wrong pic w/ the correct one) than it took you to type up a post pointing out & complaining about it?
I'm just saying - there's definitely acceptable times & places for pointing out & addressing problems + mistakes -and- indeed, even for complaining about them...God knows - I couldn't say that I never do these things myself (not w/ a straight face, at least); and...not w/o being one of those people that I so despise, and for whom I have a 'special' brand of contempt for (aka hypocrites) -BUT- and this may just be a pet peeve all my own, but...
...didn't it just feel a little bit; not *right*, I guess - to take the time to notice the mistake, link to pages where you were, ya know...looking right at the mistake, come back to this topic to point out & complain about the mistake...and NOT to Correct it, instead of just leaving it there for someone else to fix?
IDK, is it just me that - if I find myself on a page w/ a mistake on it...would, w/o any need to think about it...just go ahead & fix it; and not really understand those who don't?
That said, i could, if i have the game, but i dont have it. Then again, wich [EU] version shall i put there? And i only use my own scans instead of stealing scans from the internet.
Why?
There's plenty of good images on company web sites, Amazon, G*Faqs, Moby games, etc...why not use em?
That's what I was wondering, no need to reinvent the wheel when a quick search gives me a hi-res image w/o any watermarks. :) If that doesn't happen, then scan away!
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I didnt say you shouldnt use them.
I know that.
I didn't ask you why I shouldn't use them; I asked why you don't/won't ;D
Oh, and I'll continue to decide what to highlight and what things I give and don't give "importance" to all on my own, thank you very much!
mmmmkay? ;)
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Unwatermarked images are fair game and fair use. The only reason we don't use mobygames/etc ones are because they have their logo on it, which could lead to implications of using their logo, not the scans themselves. They shouldn't be putting watermarks on scans since it's not their work, but that's beyond us. And that's why we like to avoid them entirely.
I don't even know how many times I've said this over the years...
Also, if there are multiple EU versions of the game in question, yeah, feel free to add another one. But that's not what the topic at hand is. Sometimes a general EU version is used across the board, and that's something I seriously can't be arsed to look into. But what I will frankly not stand for is new users changing the regions of entries for chickenshit reasons. And that's what this thread is pretty much shedding light on, that new, shitty users are making these terrible edits, and I'm tired of it.
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You know what I do when someone submits an item and it doesn't have the correct region artwork, or something that's obviously fake, and I can't find a replacement? I use this.
(http://vgcollect.com/images/front-box-art/no_art.jpg)
And then I move on. We used to have a tool to delete artwork directly but it's been out of commission for a bit.
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I didnt say you shouldnt use them.
I know that.
I didn't ask you why I shouldn't use them; I asked why you don't/won't ;D
Oh, and I'll continue to decide what to highlight and what things I give and don't give "importance" to all on my own, thank you very much!
mmmmkay? ;)
And without scanners like me you cant 'borrow' the pictures ;)
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I didnt say you shouldnt use them.
I know that.
I didn't ask you why I shouldn't use them; I asked why you don't/won't ;D
Oh, and I'll continue to decide what to highlight and what things I give and don't give "importance" to all on my own, thank you very much!
mmmmkay? ;)
And without scanners like me you cant 'borrow' the pictures ;)
Is there a reason why you still haven't just answered the question of why you won't/don't do it?
Also, "borrowing" implies a sense of ownership + the ability to receive and return an item; still not seeing how that would apply here and/or what you'd be basing your 'ownership' of an image of something - made by + belonging to others on 8)
Ya know what, though?
None of it's *that* important to me, or worth any more of my time so...I'm going to simply & slowly step away from this topic ;D
Like EXO said, "over and out" ;)
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If you have to ask, you really dont know. But as mg uses visible watermarks, other sites dont. That means the image is still marked. If you look at some terms of use, you know what its about.
But enough said......over and out :P
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If anyone comes across a listing with any incorrect images, and if you can't/don't want to fix it, just make a post about it in this section. That's what it's for.
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You know what I do when someone submits an item and it doesn't have the correct region artwork, or something that's obviously fake, and I can't find a replacement? I use this.
(http://vgcollect.com/images/front-box-art/no_art.jpg)
And then I move on. We used to have a tool to delete artwork directly but it's been out of commission for a bit.
That's actually brilliant. Simple, and totally effective :D
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Ive tryed that once, it got denied ???.
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Ive tryed that once, it got denied ???.
That's because it wasn't me who rejected your edit.
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I found a couple of [NA] SNES games that had the European front box art listed: Equinox and Arkanoid: Doh it Again. I submitted my own scans of the American art but both were rejected.
I didn't mean to disregard any protocol. I wondered if anyone could help.
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I rejected your games. The pics were identical to the ones already on the game except were in a lot worse physical condition. I did not see the EU stuff on them.
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If I find better quality pictures of the NA version covers may I submit them for review?
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If I find better quality pictures of the NA version covers may I submit them for review?
sure.
you can always edit or update items with new info (an un-released game becomes an "officially released" game), more info (add an image where there is none or fill-in empty barcode, box text, release date, rating, item number, description, etc fields), and/or better info (clearer & higher-res pics or, if you see incomplete or only partial box text - you can add to it & make it complete, etc).
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I appreciate that I've been able to help update so much missing info. I've been trying to work very hard to help update the info from games in my own collection. The reason I submitted my scans of those games' covers is because after some searches I was afraid the images on file were of the incorrect European box art superimposed onto what looked like North American boxes. I'll try to find better images to resubmit. I really was trying to help with accuracy. Thank you for your understanding. :)
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no problem ;D
always nice to see people getting to know our community and contributing to the site ;)
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I appreciate that I've been able to help update so much missing info. I've been trying to work very hard to help update the info from games in my own collection. The reason I submitted my scans of those games' covers is because after some searches I was afraid the images on file were of the incorrect European box art superimposed onto what looked like North American boxes. I'll try to find better images to resubmit. I really was trying to help with accuracy. Thank you for your understanding. :)
Thanks for helping, it's much appreciated :) Don't worry about "newbie mistakes"; it's completely normal. As long as you care enough to pay attention and improve, everything's great :D