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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: Agozer on April 03, 2018, 02:51:55 pm
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I saw a similar thread on another video game site, and I have to confess that I'm morbidly curious about your "confessions". So basically, I want to read about your positive/negative opinions about video games and gaming in general that the majority of gamers do not agree on.
You can list as few or as many as you want. Vent that bottled-up frustration, folks.
-I can't, for the life of me, get into any of the Fallout games. I find them too focused on stat-fiddling, and their main storylines are boring to me.
-I cannot stand the Elder Scrolls series. Great memes, sure, but that's about it.
-While I enjoy fighting games, I'm more interested in the character designs than the actual mechanics.
-I enjoy the 3D mario games more than the 2D ones.
-The Nintendo 64 is terribly overrated. Its controller is an abomination despite the ground-breaking analog stick.
-Final Fantasy VIII is better than VII.
-While not better than RE4, RE5 is one of the most enjoyable Resident Evil games I've ever played.
-I don't like the roguelike/rogue-lite and 4X genres at all. Procedural generation isn't as great as some people seem to think.
-The Wii U is an excellent console, and at the moment, better than the Nintendo Switch.
-The Xbox as a console family and the Xbox brand as a whole gets nothing but scoffs from me. The brand and console(s) created solely because Microsoft wanted some of that "console game money" back in the early 2000s. Leave it to Microsoft to be as unimaginative as possible and basically branding the letter X soaked in Mountain Dew and dudebro high fives. But hey, the PlayStation brand needed a competitor from the west, right?
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Zelda series is overrated
Mario 2 is the best of the NES Mario Games
Resident Evil 6 is good if you play co op
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Interesting Idea, the way I look at unpopular gaming opinions depends what the gamer originally got into playing in the first place. Was it arcade, home-console, or personal computer? those core preferences branch out distinctly. In most cases, not all, the gamer ends up enjoying the most. That being said I agree with you on a few of your unpopular opinions-
-I can't, for the life of me, get into any of the Fallout games. I find them too focused on stat-fiddling, and their main storylines are boring to me.
-I cannot stand the Elder Scrolls series. Great memes, sure, but that's about it.
-The Nintendo 64 is terribly overrated. Its controller is an abomination despite the ground-breaking analog stick.
-I don't like the roguelike/rogue-lite and 4X genres at all. Procedural generation isn't as great as some people seem to think.
Would alternate a couple;
-While I enjoy fighting games, I'm more interested in the actual mechanics than the character designs.
-I enjoy the 2D mario games more than the 3D ones.
Few of my own;
-Sandbox/open world games feel more like doing chores than gaming.
-Tomb Raider was more groundbreaking then Mario 64.
-First person shooter oriented games are repetitive.
-Cinematic focused story driven adventures games are dull.
-The King of Fighters series is more engaging than Street Fighter series.
-For the most part western developed games are shit mediocre games.
-The Legend of Zelda & Metroid series are praised too highly.
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-The Nintendo 64 is terribly overrated. Its controller is an abomination despite the ground-breaking analog stick.
My man. I have fun with the controller but that's just nostalgia, it is pretty terribly designed.
-Final Fantasy VIII is better than VII.
My MAN. Final Fantasy VIII is my all-time favourite game. It's been my baby since I was 4. I get full-on emotional about it. It's the embodiment of my love of games.
Anyhow, the opinions that will get me banned from all gaming communities:
- The vast majority of Nintendo games are nowhere near as good as they're made out to be and are praised purely because they're Nintendo games. They're still good, mostly, but normally nothing special. Normally. There are a number of Nintendo games though that I can agree are awesome.
- On the topic of Nintendo, the DS line of consoles are awful. Having to divert your attention between two screens makes it far too difficult to get immersed in what you're playing, stylus controls are terrible 99% of the time, and the 3DS is too damn quiet.
- Not counting the Switch, the Vita was the best handheld of all time. It's got the best screen and best sound, it was insanely powerful for a handheld, and if you're into niche Japanese games it's a gold mine. I just wish you could change the home screen music, it's gloomy.
- The PSP though was absolutely awful, it was heavy and clunky and made my wrists ache (I know there's a thinner one but that's just one of the complaints), the thumb nub was straight up painful to use, it's too slow and there's nothing to go back to in the games library.
- The original Sonic games were badly designed too.
- Nothing good has come from the Final Fantasy name since X and the series needs to die. They at least need to leave Final Fantasy VII alone while it still has any of its dignity left.
(Edit: Ok I liked Dirge of Cerberus, but everything else, no. That's a pretty unpopular opinion in itself though.)
- You can easily play fighting games for the story if the story is good enough. BlazBlue, bro. I initially only played that series for its story and getting good at it was what got me interested in 2D fighting games, I found them boring before.
- Games like Kingdom Hearts, Nier, Final Fantasy XV, etc are not JRPGs. They're Action RPGs. JRPG is a genre. Final Fantasy 1 - 10 & 13, Shin Megami Tensei, Chrono Trigger, Shadow Hearts, Mother, etc are JRPGs. A non-Japanese game can be a JRPG. Lord of the Rings: The Third Age is a JRPG. By calling any RPG from Japan a JRPG you're putting Dark Souls and Final Fantasy in the same box which obviously isn't correct.
- The Fallout game worlds (at least 3's, 4's and NV's, haven't played the originals) are dull and repetitive. I don't understand why people call them beautiful.
- Stylistically, Oblivion was an incredibly ugly game, even for its time. The characters all look like caricatures and their voices are annoying. The whole game feels uncanny valley as hell and I can't enjoy playing it.
- Silent Hill 4 is fantastic and easily the scariest game in the series. Not as good a game as 2, sure, but it doesn't deserve the flak it gets in the slightest. It's the only one that rendered me too scared to carry on playing. Once the hauntings start in the room... you can't do that, man. I had ONE safe place.
- If you weren't there for the hype train, Fable 1 was really good. I really liked it. It's only 2 and 3 that suck.
Be gentle.
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-Resident Evil was pretty bad until Resident Evil 4
-Japanese development still consists of a lot of clunky and outdated mechanics. It only feels like the past few years that this has begun to change. Monster Hunter World being a good example of improvement.
-The Nintendo 64 is one of my favorite consoles, even with the awful controller lol
-I also support the idea that the Wii U was great, but not surprised it failed.
-I think handhelds tend to be the worst way to play most any game and I literally don't understand why anyone would actually like playing them outside of it being the ONLY option at the moment. I missed out on a lot of games because handhelds are so terrible.
-Classic 2D Sonic gameplay is incredibly overrated. It's mostly just auto-running and sudden stops or hitting things you couldn't possibly know were there.
Probably got more, but I'm spacing on it.
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-I think handhelds tend to be the worst way to play most any game and I literally don't understand why anyone would actually like playing them outside of it being the ONLY option at the moment. I missed out on a lot of games because handhelds are so terrible.
You. You're a good. I should have mentioned this. Vita is the only handheld I can enjoy playing because it's JUST big enough and of high enough quality to feel like playing a game on a TV. It's best played in the dark so you can't see your hands though.
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-I think handhelds tend to be the worst way to play most any game and I literally don't understand why anyone would actually like playing them outside of it being the ONLY option at the moment. I missed out on a lot of games because handhelds are so terrible.
You. You're a good. I should have mentioned this. Vita is the only handheld I can enjoy playing because it's JUST big enough and of high enough quality to feel like playing a game on a TV. It's best played in the dark so you can't see your hands though.
I stopped seriously playing with handhelds back with the GBA SP. I dabbled with the DS, 3DS, and PSP since, but never for long as I realized quickly how awful handhelds are. Like the Switch is only tolerable because it has a genuinely good screen, but even then, I can't sit and play it for very long that way. Handheld is the worst way to play it. I've heard of people dumping 100's of hours into 3DS Monster Hunter and I don't know how they do it. I barely managed to get through Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask on 3DS lol
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• I do not like first-person shooter games at all and fail to see the appeal of the genre.
• The Nintendo 64 has an awful controller and the games look awful regardless of setup due to the blurring filter from the hardware.
• I do not enjoy playing games portably. I like to game in the comfort of my home knowing I don't have to go anywhere or do anything.
• The PlayStation 3 was a disappointing follow up to the PS2.
• The Wii U had better games than the Wii and as of now the Switch as well.
• I immensely enjoy sports games.
• There are too many Nintendo apologists and sheep who think any game they make is incredible.
• Breath of the Wild is my least favorite Zelda game
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I didn't realize so many people disliked Nintendo. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, NES, and SNES are enough to put them near the top, in my book.
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I didn't realize so many people disliked Nintendo. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, NES, and SNES are enough to put them near the top, in my book.
I don't think any of us dislike them, I just think personally that they get far too much undeserved credit. Every game they put out is regarded like the second coming of christ regardless of its actual quality.
I love Zelda and Metroid too. SNES is a great console, haven't played much NES. I'd say I prefer 16-bit era Nintendo over modern Nintendo. Although their performance during the Switch era so far has me hopeful. Wasn't a fan of Breath of the Wild though.
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1.all sonic games suck
2.ps4 controllers are a improvement over the ps3 controller but still suck
3.Xbox one controllers do not suck
4.all GTA games suck
That's all I got.
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- The N64 is the best Nintendo console ever made
- I actually like early 3D graphics (huge, blocky polygon textures, blurred features); explains my first unpopular opinion
- The NES and SNES collecting scene annoy the hell out of me.
- Earthbound is the most overrated JRPG of all time; it's a below average RPG that has garnered its reputation due to being "quarky" and being a SNES JRPG, that's it.
- People who get into pissing matches over who got the better deal or who fabricate/manipulate numbers to make it look like they got an excellent deal are pathetic.
- the Metal Gear Solid series is super overrated.
- the competitive Smash scene is the most toxic there is. Yes, even worse than CSGO or LoL.
- The Gamecube is worst 6th generation console
- Genesis >>>> SNES
- Dark Souls' gameplay is clunky and poorly designed
- King of Fighters series is overall better than the Street Fighter series
- People who defend Square over Kingdom Hearts 3 and the many spinoffs that have made a confusing mess of the story crack me up.
- Speed running is retarded, and is more often glitch running
- 98% of modern indi games are mediocre, pretentious garbage
- I'm definitely not an SJW, but hearing people bitch about SJWs, especially when it comes to gaming are far more annoying that any actual SJW. I unsubbed from AlphaOmegaSin because of this; dude just turned into a whiny bitch.
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-I enjoy the 3D mario games more than the 2D ones.
I 100% agree with this, although I still like most of the 2D and 2.5D Mario games too
-Final Fantasy VIII is better than VII.
After recently playing and beating FF7 for the first time in almost two decades I won't be surprised if I share this same opinion once I replay FF8 eventually.
-The Xbox as a console family and the Xbox brand as a whole gets nothing but scoffs from me. The brand and console(s) created solely because Microsoft wanted some of that "console game money" back in the early 2000s. Leave it to Microsoft to be as unimaginative as possible and basically branding the letter X soaked in Mountain Dew and dudebro high fives. But hey, the PlayStation brand needed a competitor from the west, right?
While I agree that Microsoft wanted to get in on the console market and take some of Sony and Nintendo's cash, I feel like the original XBOX definitely holds its own against its 6th gen competitors and has a lot of great console exclusives. I thought for the longest time that all it was was a Halo and PC port machine, but when I began collecting for it many years ago I realized how wrong I was. The feel like your statement is more accurate concerning the 360, but still there are many excellent exclusives for it. The XBOX One though, I couldn't agree with you more.
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JRPGs aren't actually Japanese.
Most of the heavy hitters were heavily based off of Wizardry and Ultima gameplay and settings, both of which were both American games. I scoff when people throw around the term because other than a game being made in Japan, there's nothing distinctly "Japanese" about the game structure.
Sonic is, was and forever will be awful.
Not a super fan of Mario 64 & Odyssey
I never really liked the collectathon platformers of the 90s, including Super Mario 64. Instead of having dozens of challenging levels, as we did in previous generations, they moved to having just a few big ones. It kind of came out of necessity because of the hardware restrictions. So if you can't fit more levels into your game, just reuse the same ones over and over again. - In the case of Mario 64, they just added a bunch of busy work (collecting coins/items) inside of the limited number of levels they had. One big advantage to this is that it also allows the developer to get more bang for their buck. No need to spend development time on extra environment design and art. That was all fine and good for Mario 64 seeing as it was Nintendo's first major leap into 3D video games, but to me, seeing this again in 2017/18 is very quaint.
Not that Odyssey, Sunshine or 64 are a bad games per se, I just rather have a more linear experience with emphasis is on making perfect jumps and negotiating a multitude of well crafted levels and not just run around in circles doing little tasks to find coins/stars. I pretty much only enjoyed the little sub-level challenge sprinkled throughout the games.
With all this said, I find it strange that people like to bunch in Mario 64 as part of the main line Mario games. - Such as Mario 1, 2, 3, and World. To me Galaxy 2 and 3D World are much more closer to the original line of games than other modern Mario games.
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- The Vita is not worth is as a "JRPG machine" since the vast majority of jrpgs worth playing are on other systems
- Chrono series is overrated
- Import libraries are vastly superior for older consoles compared to newer consoles
- The idea of no lives/no respawn is overused as a game mechanic in many single player games today
- Xbox brand has been utter garbage since 2009
- Guilty Gear has the best metagame for fighters today compared to any other fighter on the market
- Naughty Dog/ Quantic Dream/Bungie/Bioware are overrated studios
- Not everything can be ported to the Switch ( same goes for yt comparisons of porting arcade games to genesis)
- PC gaming is a hidden gem of its own
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It is too hard to find reasonable prices on used cartridge only Super Nintendo games today.
SNES Games are not worth more then $10 a piece without a box yet most of the library cost $15 and more for a single cartridge for just the cartridge games alone. no matter what condition the game is in >:(
I want SNES cartridge only games to go way down in price.
The NES is an easy system to collect for than the Super Nintendo
PlayStation 3 super slim's are an underrated and great console
Sports games are fun
Most turn based strategy RPG's are overrated in my opinion especially the turn based other then the Pokemon games
But all my frustration goes to the overpricing on just about every single Super Nintendo game alone both online and offline prices :(
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-Campaigns are better than multiplayer.
-Strategy games, including tactical-RPGs, bore me.
-The Nintendo 64's controller kills any good the N64 may have, which isn't much.
-I like Xbox, especially the original Xbox.
-The original PlayStation has aged just fine. I have so many fantastic games on that system that I would never part with.
-I don't mind the Dreamcast's controller (although the cord being on the wrong end is a little annoying).
-Resident Evil 4 killed one of the greatest gaming series I have ever played. I so miss the old-style Resident Evils.
-Game Boy sucked until the GBA-SP. There were some great games in it's library pre-SP, but the hardware was so terrible it wasn't worth it until the SP (except for the Super Game Boy for SNES, that was cool).
-Atari sucks. Atari 2600 bored me to death, maybe it was just too before my time. But it's not like they've had another successful console since, either.
-I hate PC gaming. Give me a console over a PC any day. I do have a handful of PC game favorites (Descent, Neverwinter Nights, etc.), but the effort of keeping up with compatibility, patches, updates, hardware upgrades, etc, etc, just isn't worth it to me. And I like a controller, with games designed for a controller.
-I hate smartphone gaming...touchscreen controls suck and it will never be the future of gaming for me.
-Angry Video Game Nerd is immature, and annoying. I know, it's just a character...and that character is stupid.
-And this one I am very passionate about...DARK SOULS/DEMON SOULS IS NOT JUST LIKE KING'S FIELD!!! The only similarities is that they're made by From Software, and both are action-RPGs set in a fantasy-setting...but then 95% of action-RPGs have that setting. Besides, King's Field is waaayyyy better.
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The Last of Us is one of the worst games I have ever played.
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Probably my most controversial opinion:
- Chrono Cross is more fun than Chrono Trigger.
Also...
- The Halo series is WAAAAY overrated. Single player is just so f***ing boring.
- The GTA series is also overrated.
- The Kingdom Hearts games are like Ready Player One: full of cool cameos but not much substance.
- Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Complete is awesome :D
- FFVII is put on a pedestal, and it’s a fun game, but far from the best FF. The chocobo racing is frustrating and boring.
- Oh, and Tifa is useless and generic. I never used her in my party if I had another option.
- Q*Bert is the best game of all time. I don’t care what anyone says :D
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Here are some of mine that I could think of
- Ace Combat Infinity was a really solid AC game
- I didn't enjoy Final Fantasy VI
- Tidus is the best protagonist ever introduced in an FF game
- Metal Gear Solid is a bad (at best overrated) series
- The 6th generation of consoles is hands down the best overall generation
- Mega Man ZX and ZX Advent are among the best 2D Mega Man Games ever made. Better than all the X and Zero games
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All right here we go..
-The sonic franchise? It has some decent games but it was a completley terrible idea. The developers need to make a really fast platformer routinely, why do you think that series crashed and burned
-I really have trouble getting into the N64 because I feel like most of it's content has aged about as well as curdled milk left in the sun
-For that matter, I really don't see what makes Super Mario 64 so much better than it's contemporary mario 3d platformers. The only real novelty to it was that it was an open world 3D platformer, and it lost that to Odyssey anyway
-Super Smash Bros Brawl was one of the better smash bros games because of the amount of single player content
-Similarly, I couldn't get into smash bros 4 as much because there was just nothing to do
-Also, 3DS smash bros four is the superior version. Wii U smash bros had garbage game modes and wrecked Classic Mode, which is a shame because that's usually what most of my gametime goes to
-Seriously, why do people still think Switch smash bros is a port? The developers came out and said they've been working on it for years
-Pokemon Black and White had a pretty good story overall, but Ghetsis was a generic villain who scrubbed any moral complexity right out of it, and it would've been far better if he didn't exist
-Fighting games? With certain exceptions..they just have too steep of a learning curve to be anywhere near fun
-Military shooters in general? Gross. They've all been blurring together for years.
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Mufufu... e.e
-The JRPG/WRPG naming is stupid. It's an RPG. You don't call Mario a JPlatformer; I'm not sure when or why people started classifying the genre in such a dumb way.
-Street Fighter, Halo, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Earthbound, Undertale, Sonic, Zelda, Assassin's Creed, and Metal Gear are dull and overrated.
-Star Ocean: The Last Hope is the best in the series.
-To add, Star Ocean: Integrity and Faithlessness is a fine game.
-Smart phone and tablet gaming is ruining the gaming industry.
-Groups that are "dedicated" to translating Tales of games are uppity liars. I rarely say stuff like this, but **** Absolute Zero productions.
-FPS games are hoorrrrrrible.
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-The JRPG/WRPG naming is stupid. It's an RPG. You don't call Mario a JPlatformer; I'm not sure when or why people started classifying the genre in such a dumb way.
Because it's easier to identify what kind of RPG you are playing. I feel it's more about that, than the actual country of origin the game was produced in.
Generally the JRPG label is reserved for your turn-based RPGs and often has colorful characters, with a higher emphasis on story and dialogue.
While the western RPGs are more geared towards Dungeons & Dragons and Lord of the Rings type of high-fantasy, with more customizable characters.
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I don't see it that way. It's an RPG.
When you factor in the genre becoming more modernized these days, the lines that would distinguish the two are more and more blurred.
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There's a definite difference in style. I personally feel the D&D and Lord of the Rings stuff is way more "bad-ass" looking and has a darker atmosphere. While a lot of JRPGs are colorful, and have a light, humorous undertone behind the action. With JRPGs, I generally have to really like the characters, story, or battle-system to get into them. But with western RPGs I can generally get into most, even if the story stinks, as long the battle-system isn't broken or it doesn't have an LJN-quality to it.
But yeah, I don't feel that all RPGs made in Japan are JRPGs, and I don't feel that all RPGs made in the U.S. or Europe are Western RPGs. And I also agree that modern RPGs are doing a good job of blending the two in the last few years. It's made me take a 2nd look at Final Fantasy XV, and making me consider getting it when I dropped the series after IX.
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The Last of Us is one of the worst games I have ever played.
Whoa Whoa!!! Watch your what you say there!
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Oh boy, here we go.
- Zelda is a highly overrated franchise
- The SNES era "Classic RPGs" is not the best or the "Golden Age" of the genre.
- The 6th Generation of consoles is the best gen by far
- There is nothing redeemable about the N64 controller
- Fighting games do benefit from stories, and the best fighters have them
- Bethesda's bug ridden games are a joke and don't deserve the immense praise
- Open world games are oversaturating the current gaming climate
- The "Only real way to play older game consoles is with a CRT Tv" argument is bs
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I don't classify games based on their style, either. There are games like The 7th Saga, Shining the Holy Ark, and Warsong that feature a dark, gritty atmosphere. On the opposite end, you have things like Secret of Evermore. Again, it's all "RPG" to me.
I find it a poor choice to make RPGs more open-ended and open-world, too. That's one of my biggest issues with the Xenoblade Chronicles series.
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-The JRPG/WRPG naming is stupid. It's an RPG. You don't call Mario a JPlatformer; I'm not sure when or why people started classifying the genre in such a dumb way.
But you call Call of Duty a First Person Shooter and Gears of War a Third Person Shooter. The names might be poorly chosen but they're so named purely because the JRPG genre popularised in Japan and the WRPG genre popularised in the west. But they're two distinct genres. Final Fantasy is a JRPG and Dark Souls is, as far as I'm concerned, a WRPG. The two games are nothing alike.
If you're looking for a game in the same vein as Final Fantasy you'd be like "Yo, recommend me a JRPG". If the two words were to disappear you'd ask for RPG recommendations hoping for things like Persona and instead have games like Gothic thrown at you. It's an important distinction to make.
The same can go for Beat em Ups and Hack & Slash, Shmups and Rail Shooters, Survival Horror and Action Horror, etc. The differences are subtle but if the distinctions were to disappear it'd be a nightmare to find the right games.
You approach games like Skyrim and games like Final Fantasy expecting totally different things.
My beef is with the fact that the JRPG name is severely misused. In fact that might be where a lot of the frustration of the distinction between WRPG and JRPG comes from. Games that aren't JRPGs are being shoved under the JRPG umbrella.
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It'd make much more sense to separate them based on the actual content. If it's a turn based RPG, or a game with real time combat but you happen to level up every so often, it seems kinda silly to say their the same genre. Saying "oh, but one of them usually comes from America" really doesn't solve that whole issue. At all.
Maybe turn based RPG or real time RPG? Maybe don't call games that only have RPG elements RPGs at all? I don't know, but I'm sure it's possible to come up with a system far less dumb
People mix up the terms because it's incredibly counterintuitive. Using these terms, there's plenty of Japanese rpgs that don't come from Japan and plenty of western rpgs that don't come from the west, and that's stupid.
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A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.
I don't think it's stupid at all, they're Western-style and Japanese-style. If you don't like the semantics of it then you can go ahead and make your own distinctions, I'm just saying there's an important distinction to make at the very least between what we consider to be WRPGs and JRPGs regardless of what we call them. Generally speaking, you go into any game under the "JRPG" umbrella looking for the same thing (turn based/ATB or similar combat is the most important part, but a specific kind of storytelling and character focus is also one of the biggest draws) and you also go into any game under the "WRPG" umbrella looking for the same thing (action-focused combat, quests, character customisation, loot, etc). There is some common ground between the two genres like levels, open world etc but that's why they're both RPGs, just like FPS and TPS both involve shooting guns but from different perspectives, and that different perspective is a big enough of a difference for us to consider them separate genres even though it's normally the exact same kind of game otherwise.
There are JRPGs/WRPGs that use elements from both, but genre blending is hardly rare. More often than not though these are what I consider to be the misnamed 'JRPGs' that are not JRPGs. I feel like the JRPG genre is a more specific one than WRPG and it's easier to fall out of being a JRPG than it is to fall into it. Every time I hear someone call the Nier games JRPGs I want to punch a nun.
But I love JRPGs for the same reasons everyone else who loves JRPGs loves them and if everyone stopped using the name then it would be incredibly hard to find them. The fact that everyone knows (well, most people) what you're referring to when you refer to JRPGs speaks for itself.
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I've always considered the co-called WRPGS being more geared towards swords and sorcery, and somewhat more grounded in reality (I know that sounds weird) whereas JRPGs are far more "out there" in terms of design, both artistically and mechanically. Well, then there's the fact that many JRPGs simply have that Japanese anime aesthetic.
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But you call Call of Duty a First Person Shooter and Gears of War a Third Person Shooter. The names might be poorly chosen but they're so named purely because the JRPG genre popularised in Japan and the WRPG genre popularised in the west. But they're two distinct genres. Final Fantasy is a JRPG and Dark Souls is, as far as I'm concerned, a WRPG. The two games are nothing alike.
That's really an apples an oranges comparison. Keep in mind that games with a first person perspective can have a third person perspective. Even an RPG like Sudeki gives you that option.
If you're looking for a game in the same vein as Final Fantasy you'd be like "Yo, recommend me a JRPG". If the two words were to disappear you'd ask for RPG recommendations hoping for things like Persona and instead have games like Gothic thrown at you. It's an important distinction to make.
Would you, though? Final Fantasy is a poor example and that example is a silly way to ask for a game recommendation. Final Fantasy has gone through so many changes; if someone wanted a game like Final Fantasy then they might as well ask for a food that has carbs. There are so many options. If they wanted a game like a specific entry in the Final Fantasy franchise, that would be more realistic.
You have to keep in mind that in this modern era, you have videos, screenshots, reviews, blogs, podcasts, and more to help you determine whether or not a game would be enjoyable.
But I love JRPGs for the same reasons everyone else who loves JRPGs loves them and if everyone stopped using the name then it would be incredibly hard to find them. The fact that everyone knows (well, most people) what you're referring to when you refer to JRPGs speaks for itself.
Again, it sounds like you're not giving people enough credit. I'll give a personal example.
During the SNES era, a friend of mine asked me whether or not like I liked RPGs. I didn't know what an RPG was, so he mentioned Final Fantasy II (IV). That was all it took. Later that day we were hanging out and we played Might and Magic on his PC.
That was enough for me to understand the RPG concept. There was no need to attach any extra lettering to them.
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I'm not going to try to change anyone's opinions. This is why we're posting our opinions in the "unpopular gaming opinions" thread. There's no J or W or any other letter that needs to go before the RPG acronym.
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I'm not going to try to change anyone's opinions. This is why we're posting our opinions in the "unpopular gaming opinions" thread. There's no J or W or any other letter that needs to go before the RPG acronym.
You are 100% correct, they don't *need* to be there, but they *are* helpful descriptors, particularly for modern games.
I used to think I was super into RPGs when all I primarily played were the Western-style ones. Then I tried playing some JRPGs and found myself dumbfounded. I kind of hated them. There were the occasional titles that shone through (Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG), but for the most part the writing style and (UGH) random encounters turned me off. Turns out I was way more into the Western-style games.
As for general unpopular opinions:
- Most 3-D fifth generation games are nigh unplayable now. Nostalgia be damned.
- Metal Gear Solid is an overwrought, overbaked game series that isn't serious enough to be taken seriously and isn't funny enough to be funny and is generally a chore to play through.
- Based on some comments in another thread this'll be unpopular - Tetris is one of the best games ever made.
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That's really an apples an oranges comparison. Keep in mind that games with a first person perspective can have a third person perspective. Even an RPG like Sudeki gives you that option.
It is, but that's my point. Oranges and apples are two different fruits. JRPGs and WRPGs/FPS and TPS are two different genres. And they do, absolutely. But that's not really relevant to the matter of RPGs. Perspective isn't something that affects an RPG. That's an interesting point to raise in the matter of FPS/TPS though.
Would you, though? Final Fantasy is a poor example and that example is a silly way to ask for a game recommendation. Final Fantasy has gone through so many changes; if someone wanted a game like Final Fantasy then they might as well ask for a food that has carbs. There are so many options. If they wanted a game like a specific entry in the Final Fantasy franchise, that would be more realistic.
I was just throwing that out as an example, when I talk about Final Fantasy I normally mean the first 10. I don't consider 11, 12, 14 or 15 to be JRPGs. 11 and 14 are MMOs, 15 is an Action RPG. I dunno what 12 is, I just like shit-talking it. But you know what I'm talking about. JRPGs have a fanbase for a reason. There's enough about JRPGs to make them distinct from standard WRPGs, that's the point I'm making.
Again, it sounds like you're not giving people enough credit. I'll give a personal example.
During the SNES era, a friend of mine asked me whether or not like I liked RPGs. I didn't know what an RPG was, so he mentioned Final Fantasy II (IV). That was all it took. Later that day we were hanging out and we played Might and Magic on his PC.
That was enough for me to understand the RPG concept. There was no need to attach any extra lettering to them.
I get that, but what I mean is that there's a clear divide between what we enjoy in a western RPG and what we enjoy in a JRPG. If I feel like the kind of experience you normally get from a JRPG, I'll seek out a JRPG. If I want to create a character and go on a customised adventure I'll seek out a western RPG. There are a lot of people that like western-style RPGs that utterly hate JRPGs, and for reasons I can understand. And vice-versa.
I'm not going to try to change anyone's opinions. This is why we're posting our opinions in the "unpopular gaming opinions" thread. There's no J or W or any other letter that needs to go before the RPG acronym.
Of course, I just feel like's a lot of conflicting perspectives when it comes to the JRPG/WRPG distinction in general and I'm doing my bit to try and clear the waters. If you still disagree that's fine, I just wanted to explain where we're coming from. Healthy discussion and all that. That and I'm cripplingly bored and discussing this kind of thing is fun.
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It is, but that's my point. Oranges and apples are two different fruits. JRPGs and WRPGs/FPS and TPS are two different genres. And they do, absolutely. But that's not really relevant to the matter of RPGs. Perspective isn't something that affects an RPG. That's an interesting point to raise in the matter of FPS/TPS though.
Perspective definitely affects an RPG. I'm not even just talking about a dungeon crawler where you move from square to square like Dungeon Travelers vs. a something more topdown like a traditional Final Fantasy. The way a battle unfolds. The transition from one area to another. A world map. Things like that are very important.
I was just throwing that out as an example, when I talk about Final Fantasy I normally mean the first 10. I don't consider 11, 12, 14 or 15 to be JRPGs. 11 and 14 are MMOs, 15 is an Action RPG. I dunno what 12 is, I just like shit-talking it. But you know what I'm talking about. JRPGs have a fanbase for a reason. There's enough about JRPGs to make them distinct from standard WRPGs, that's the point I'm making.
I understand your point. I just don't adhere to it. I call them RPGs, especially when there are so many blurred lines.
I get that, but what I mean is that there's a clear divide between what we enjoy in a western RPG and what we enjoy in a JRPG. If I feel like the kind of experience you normally get from a JRPG, I'll seek out a JRPG. If I want to create a character and go on a customised adventure I'll seek out a western RPG. There are a lot of people that like western-style RPGs that utterly hate JRPGs, and for reasons I can understand. And vice-versa.
Genres are so mixed these days that you'd be better off widening your search beyond genres.
Of course, I just feel like's a lot of conflicting perspectives when it comes to the JRPG/WRPG distinction in general and I'm doing my bit to try and clear the waters. If you still disagree that's fine, I just wanted to explain where we're coming from. Healthy discussion and all that. That and I'm cripplingly bored and discussing this kind of thing is fun.
I understand where everyone is coming from. This is the only thread (at least in recent memory) where I brought up this issue because that's what the TC asked for.
My perspective is that an RPG is an RPG.
It's kind of like the issue when people call something like Guilty Gear an "anime fighter" and Tekken a "realistic fighter." They're fighting games - it's up to the consumer to decide whether or not the mechanics behind the fighting game is something they'd like.
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I'm not at all into turn-based/JRPGs. I've checked out a few through the years, and friends have certainly tried turning me on to series like Final Fantasy, but they just aren't my scene. I find the combat systems terribly boring, and they seem very derivative of each other.
When Pokemon was released I grabbed both available versions because I wanted to see what all the hype was about. Within an hour or so of playing, I was finished. Gave them to my (then) brother-in-law and never looked back, heh.
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I enjoyed FF7 Dirge of Cerberus WAY more than FF7
not really unpopular but FF6 (American FF3) is the best RPG I have ever played.
Although I LOVE collecting for handheld games (they are just so plentiful and cheap) I have only ever played through ~20 of them total. and of everything I have played I only truly liked the early Pokémon games (Gen 3 and before).
the best handheld console ever made was the neo geo pocket color. and that statement is 100% based on the build quality for the system.
ive disliked every 3d platformer I have ever played until super Mario odyssey came out.
I truly like FPS games but they have become both a dime a dozen and the cess pool of the gaming industry, but I will still sink hours and hours into them.
harvest moon/animal crossing games are mind numbingly tedious with my only joy of them being learning to min-max the system for the most profit.
with that said I Really enjoy Stardew valley even though what I specifically enjoy about it is what I hate about harvest moon/animal crossing
although I am a Nintendo fan I Hate the fact that they get credited with creating a whole bunch of things they never did. like joysticks and d-pads. they were in arcades Way before Nintendo consoles.
I cannot for the life of me understand how Microsoft didn't lose a class action lawsuit for the Xbox 360's failure rate but the Sony lost one for removing the ability to put Linux on the PS3.
I never understood why Right handed people just accept the fact that on arcade machines the joystick is on the left. Yeah we grew up with it that way it would be hard to switch now but your dominant hand is better at precise movements so you would do better moving with it. while your non-dominant hand is significantly worse so it would be better suited as the button presser.
Cheat codes define my enjoyment of PS2 games. if there are no cheat codes I probably will not like it but if there are a lot of them and comical ones at that I am more inclined to like them. nothing like flying into the sky on a skateboard forever or making a tank fly.
Modern day games are getting less fun by the year. they still seem to be in the mindset that large cut scenes, ultra realistic graphics, and multiplayer make the game.
The only thing Breath of the wild had going for it was the large open map. the quests were bland, the landscape was way too empty of things to do, the weapons were WAY too brittle, the puzzles were way too easy, etc
Nintendo could easily be beaten out of the game hardware market but never will be because both Sony and Microsoft seem to forget that Nintendo is their competition as well.
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although I am a Nintendo fan I Hate the fact that they get credited with creating a whole bunch of things they never did. like joysticks and d-pads. they were in arcades Way before Nintendo consoles.
From what I understand, Nintendo gets credit specifically for "inventing" the standard D-Pad with the cross shape and first ever analog stick for home consoles. Prior to this, every home console and computer only had joysticks.
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harvest moon/animal crossing games are mind numbingly tedious with my only joy of them being learning to min-max the system for the most profit.
Modern day games are getting less fun by the year. they still seem to be in the mindset that large cut scenes, ultra realistic graphics, and multiplayer make the game.
The only thing Breath of the wild had going for it was the large open map. the quests were bland, the landscape was way too empty of things to do, the weapons were WAY too brittle, the puzzles were way too easy, etc
Those are pretty much my sentiments exactly. I've never understood what people found to be fun in Animal Crossing / Harvest Moon. I agree that modern games haven't been great really since 2005 or so. One the 360 and PS3 came out, objectively poor games started getting free passes for having good graphics and cinematics.
Breath of the Wild is my least enjoyed Zelda game. The open world makes it feel disjointed, the characters are extremely bland (they made Link even worse somehow) and it lacks the heart of Zelda. If this is the way future Zelda games are going to be, count me out.
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I knew I was forgetting another unpopular opinion (at least these days..) I agree with kashell original post.
Disturbing demographic classifications.
Genres should be classified based on their play-style not country.
By giving asinine genre titles such as JRPG (Japanese Role-Playing Game) The actual description is lost. It narrows it down to a non-existing formula of 'style' which can combine other elements sub-genres ultimately making the term meaningless. The fact that King's Field is a WRPG is a good example.
The King's Field Series demonstrates the hypocrisy.
The King's Field Series is an first-person role playing video game.
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although I am a Nintendo fan I Hate the fact that they get credited with creating a whole bunch of things they never did. like joysticks and d-pads. they were in arcades Way before Nintendo consoles.
From what I understand, Nintendo gets credit specifically for "inventing" the standard D-Pad with the cross shape and first ever analog stick for home consoles. Prior to this, every home console and computer only had joysticks.
although it is not 100% cross shaped this is what came out with the first cross shaped d-pad
https://vgcollect.com/item/19348
although I do have to admit the Milton Bradley never did file the patent for it.
pulled from Wikipedia:
The first consumer games console which had analog joysticks was the Prinztronic/Acetronic/Interton series, launched in 1976. This system was widely cloned throughout Europe and available under several brand names. The 2 sticks each used a pair of potentiometers, but were not self-centering.[5]
In 1989, Dempa released an analog thumbstick controller for Japanese computers and consoles called the XE-1 AP.[11] This new controller included a thumb-operated control stick which allowed for varying levels of movement and near-360-degree control, translating into far more precise movements than were possible with a D-pad. It also distinguished itself by having the player control it with the thumb, similar to a D-pad, rather than gripping a handle.
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The more you know. Still I'm more surprised that it took Nintendo and the N64 for analog sticks to become a thing.
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I knew I was forgetting another unpopular opinion (at least these days..) I agree with kashell original post.
Disturbing demographic classifications.
Genres should be classified based on their play-style not country.
By giving asinine genre titles such as JRPG (Japanese Role-Playing Game) The actual description is lost. It narrows it down to a non-existing formula of 'style' which can combine other elements sub-genres ultimately making the term meaningless. The fact that King's Field is a WRPG is a good example.
The King's Field Series demonstrates the hypocrisy.
The King's Field Series is an first-person role playing video game.
It's not just style or just gameplay mechanics. It's a combination of the two. Which aren't meaningless because more than one person has had no problem describing it in this thread.
And yeah, WRPG fits King's Field to a "T", despite it having Japanese origins. It's like an updated version of Wizardry or an old D&D game. Like I said earlier in this discussion, it's more a mechanics and style thing than it is a country of origin thing.
They are well-defined and classified sub-genres (that multiple people in this thread have now shown can easily be separated).
To say they are the same would be like saying there's no difference between slasher movies and zombies movies, it's all horror. No, there's a difference. They may both be horror, but they both have discernible differences that can classify them into sub-genres; same as JRPG or WRPG.
Those aren't even the only two sub-genres of RPGs. We also have action-RPGs, strategy-RPGs, dungeon-crawlers, and Rogue-like RPGs.
It's not like it's some negative label or something, either. It's just an easier way to narrow-down and identify what types of games you are playing when you're talking about them.
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Final Fantasy VII isn't a good game and Final Fantasy VIII is much better.
Super Mario 64 is the worst Mario main series game ever released.
F-Zero is a terrible series.
Super Mario Sunshine isn't worth 60 bucks.
Legend Of Zelda Breath Of The Wild isn't as good as everyone says.
The Nintendo 64 is very overrated with its terrible controller and the majority of the games on the system that arent good. Its basically the original Wii.
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So many unpopular (that's the key word right there) opinions, and mine is the one on what I call an RPG is causing such a stir.
It's not just style or just gameplay mechanics. It's a combination of the two. Which aren't meaningless because more than one person has had no problem describing it in this thread.
And yeah, WRPG fits King's Field to a "T", despite it having Japanese origins. It's like an updated version of Wizardry or an old D&D game. Like I said earlier in this discussion, it's more a mechanics and style thing than it is a country of origin thing.
They are well-defined and classified sub-genres (that multiple people in this thread have now shown can easily be separated).
More than one person has explained why they're silly to have in the first place. Mechanics and style can only do so much to make a point when, instead, it's more effective to put them in one genre. They aren't as well-defined as people would like to think. In other word, people see a J in front of RPG and they think Japanese origins, publishers, developers, etc. People see a W in front of "RPG" and they think Western origins, publishers, developers, etc. It's misleading.
To say they are the same would be like saying there's no difference between slasher movies and zombies movies, it's all horror. No, there's a difference. They may both be horror, but they both have discernible differences that can classify them into sub-genres; same as JRPG or WRPG.
Wouldn't it be more effective to say that Movie 1 is a horror flick with zombies that do such n' such, and Movie 2 is a movie with a maniac that does such n' such?
Those aren't even the only two sub-genres of RPGs. We also have action-RPGs, strategy-RPGs, dungeon-crawlers, and Rogue-like RPGs.
That's describing their blueprint and not the same thing as using a J or a W before the acronym. I use strategy-RPG or tactical-RPG to describe something like Valkyria Chronicles, X-Com, Ogre Battle, etc. All are very different games, but they're strategy based. I use action-RPG to describe something like Alundra 2, Alpha Protocol, or Demon's Souls. All are very different games, but they're action based. I use rouge-like to describe anything from the original Rouge to a modern day rouge-like or rouge-lite such as Shiren or Sorcery Saga. All are very different games, but they utilize the random level generation and brutal difficulty.
I have zero need to attach either J or W.
It's not like it's some negative label or something, either. It's just an easier way to narrow-down and identify what types of games you are playing when you're talking about them.
I mean, if you think that way then you're an anomaly. The seemingly constant arguments of J vs. W, the stigma that comes attached with both letters, the way certain franchises have tried to mimic others, and the divide caused among RPG fans using the above popular categorizations is damaging.
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No, it's not easier to describe a subgenre than it is to simply have a name for it.
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I personally think describing a subgenre with same mechanics such as "action rpg" or tactical makes it easier to identify compared to "this is a jrpg". :D
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Yeah, it'd be SO weird and inconvienient to name it after its content rather than its origin..yknow, like how we name every other game genre.
For the comparison brought up, would we call a slasher movie "a japanse horror movie" and a zombie movie "an american horror movie" ? Obviously not, because that'd be stupid, make no sense, and would confuse loads of people
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This is exactly the kind of discussion I hoped to see when I made this topic. :) Just shows how vastly different people's opinions are ragarding just one aspect of of video games (out of many).
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This is exactly the kind of discussion I hoped to see when I made this topic. :) Just shows how vastly different people's opinions are ragarding just one aspect of of video games (out of many).
You're welcome.
There are other ones on here that would lead to discussion; I'm surprised the way I label my favorite genre is the one that caused the most.
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How about instead of arguing, we bridge our differences with something we can all agree on.
PlayStation is the best gaming platform, discuss.
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Eh, once you've played one playstation you've played em all
I know why people dislike Nintendo's tendency to use gimmicks of varying quality but I like how one of their consoles is distinguishable from the other in features
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Legacy of Kain series, is full of plotholes. and i doubt anyone can explain what the plot in IRL
Conker's Bad Fur Day, was not a funny game.
the 2D cinematic platformer Oddworld games are beyond frustrating.
Journey, and other thatgamecompany games are boring as hell. they're just trying to ride off Fumito Ueda's early success from ICO
i played Super Mario Odyssey at a kiosk, was bored playing it. and i wouldn't bother collecting all those moons.
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Eh, once you've played one playstation you've played em all
I know why people dislike Nintendo's tendency to use gimmicks of varying quality but I like how one of their consoles is distinguishable from the other in features
Uh oh, no-one was supposed to take the bait
Whatever happens from here I take full responsibility for
Although I don't think an argument can come from your reply but this is the internet so y'know run and hide the forum is lost
the 2D cinematic platformer Oddworld games are beyond frustrating.
I never used to be able to understand why people say this because I grew up with Abe's Exoddus and can pretty much walk right through the game because of it, but then I went back and played Oddysee again more recently which I'm much less familiar with and got my ass handed to me. Quiksave must have felt like a godsend to people moving in to Exoddus from the first game.
I think Exoddus is definitely less frustrating than Oddysee either way though.
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EDIT: Removed brainfart typed at 2am.
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the 2D cinematic platformer Oddworld games are beyond frustrating.
Does anyone who ever play Abe's Oddysee for the PC know exactly what the fart button is for?
It was part of the game along with the chanting and taking control of the enemies.
Yea I played Abe's Oddysee It was fun, but You get killed a lot since you have no weapons in that game other then chant and fart.
Farting would wake up the enemies and stop others from following you but that is about all I think it did
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Does anyone who ever play Abe's Oddysee for the PC know exactly what the fart button is for?
Passwords with the mudokons. In Exoddus you get to use them as a weapon.
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the 2D cinematic platformer Oddworld games are beyond frustrating.
I have to agree a lot. I owned the original game at some point, and absolutely adored the music, sound effects and art direction, but man, playing it was a true excercise in frustration.
I remrember finally fumbling my way out of the factory and then all bets were suddenly off.
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Some more:
With the release of Breath of the wild, I've seen a lot of people hailing The Legend Of Zelda NES as the "right" way to make games for the series...it absolutely is not! I'd much rather a game hold my hand than throw me in the dark with no sense of direction
Adding onto that...I like the 3D zelda games? I think it's kind of a shame how much of a bad wrap they get these days.
VR? It's an expensive gimmick full of nothing but tech demos about how cool VR is. Who cares.
Luigi's mansion: Dark Moon was a decent sequel at best. Axing the open world mansion setting in favor of the awful mission system killed what was unique about the game.
I really can't get into Final Fantasy. I've tried multiple times but the somewhat dated and standard rpg setting and the ridicilous amount of games it has prevent from enjoying it
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Ohh I definitely agree with the original Legend of Zelda. It's a classic case of bad game design and IMO the only reason anybody was able to beat it back in 1986 was Nintendo Power.
I'd take Link to the Past any day
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Adding onto that...I like the 3D zelda games? I think it's kind of a shame how much of a bad wrap they get these days.
I hope you meant the 3DO Zelda games. On the topic of the 3DO Zeldas, I haven't personally played any of them, but I've watched extensive playthoughs. Absolutely horrible both in design and mechanics. :/
Well, compared to Zelda's Adventure, the two that preceded it are masterpieces.
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Ohh I definitely agree with the original Legend of Zelda. It's a classic case of bad game design and IMO the only reason anybody was able to beat it back in 1986 was Nintendo Power.
I'd take Link to the Past any day
Didn't have Nintendo Power, and beat it.
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if i see Green Hill Zone in one more Sonic game, i'm going to scream.
honestly, the series has 99 problems (regardless if your a classic/adventure/modern/whatever only-fan) and forced nostalgia is one.
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Call Of Duty Ghosts on PS3 is a decent game in it's single player campaign. But the story was never finished, at the end of Call Of Duty Ghosts campaign from what I remember on my first play through, the villain survived and drags you away and that was the end of the single player campaign.
I never had too much trouble with the dog character in which you can't use too often because the dog will die and if the dog dies you lose and have to start over from a checkpoint
and the game gets harder with one mission navigating through a bunch of hungry sharks
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Speaking of Call of Duty Ghosts, I absolutely loved their Zombies-like game, "Extinction". I actually don't like zombies in COD because there's no end to it so I feel like I'm wasting my time in a sense. With Extinction there was an actual goal to work through which made it more fun. You can add relics to your character to increase the difficulty too so they still kept things from getting stale.
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the only appealing thing about Kirby is his character design, his games are just shallow cut/paste 2d platformers that play exactly the same.