General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: kamikazekeeg on March 17, 2015, 06:23:45 pm
Title: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on March 17, 2015, 06:23:45 pm
While this thread probably won't get much information for at least a year, this is big enough to separate it from the mobile market news that came from Nintendo yesterday. Plus we all knew it was coming as Nintendo has a 5 to 6 year console cycle. All that is known is that the code-named "NX" will be announced next year and for what I assume is a 2017 release date.
Enough time to get out a few more hopefully major console titles for the Wii U as we have no idea of what Nintendo has on the horizon as the furthers the Nintendo game releases go right now is the fall/winter season with Legend of Zelda and Xenoblade. I'm hoping we get a proper Mario release before the end of the Wii U's time. I don't really count 3D World in the same vein as Galaxy, Sunshine, and 64.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: atarileaf on March 17, 2015, 06:40:20 pm
Looks like a bread maker
I wonder how everyone will love Mario NX, Zelda NX, Mario Kart NX, Metroid NX and Smash Bros NX. I hope this bread maker also works as a microwave so I can heat up some Nintendo leftovers.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gartcat on March 17, 2015, 07:20:15 pm
I wonder how everyone will love Mario NX, Zelda NX, Mario Kart NX, Metroid NX and Smash Bros NX. I hope this bread maker also works as a microwave so I can heat up some Nintendo leftovers.
It says it's a joke picture under the title, but I'm sure we will have a chance to reheat Super Mario 3 again though.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gartcat on March 17, 2015, 07:23:38 pm
While this thread probably won't get much information for at least a year, this is big enough to separate it from the mobile market news that came from Nintendo yesterday. Plus we all knew it was coming as Nintendo has a 5 to 6 year console cycle. All that is known is that the code-named "NX" will be announced next year and for what I assume is a 2017 release date.
Enough time to get out a few more hopefully major console titles for the Wii U as we have no idea of what Nintendo has on the horizon as the furthers the Nintendo game releases go right now is the fall/winter season with Legend of Zelda and Xenoblade. I'm hoping we get a proper Mario release before the end of the Wii U's time. I don't really count 3D World in the same vein as Galaxy, Sunshine, and 64.
If they make Super Mario Galaxy 3, it will make the whole fiasco worthwhile. The first 2 are masterpieces.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on March 17, 2015, 07:44:54 pm
If they make Super Mario Galaxy 3, it will make the whole fiasco worthwhile. The first 2 are masterpieces.
I completely disagree, cause I don't care for the first two lol I'd rather they make a brand new Mario game entirely. Drop the rehashing/sequel stuff, give us something fresh. Sadly a Galaxy 3 is probably likely, just because of how much they've been pushing Rosalina lately.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: retroone on March 17, 2015, 07:58:10 pm
I completely disagree, cause I don't care for the first two lol I'd rather they make a brand new Mario game entirely. Drop the rehashing/sequel stuff, give us something fresh. Sadly a Galaxy 3 is probably likely, just because of how much they've been pushing Rosalina lately.
I can understand an opinion, but goodness "Sadly a Galaxy 3 is probably likely" was Mario Galaxy really that bad in your eyes???
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on March 17, 2015, 08:08:56 pm
They really need to give the next console a good name. Wii and Wii U are awful.
I can understand an opinion, but goodness "Sadly a Galaxy 3 is probably likely" was Mario Galaxy really that bad in your eyes???
I should've noted that most Mario games aren't bad. Mario is always a competent and good platformer, but I really didn't like the direction they took with Galaxy. They got rid of the hub world and I was never fond of the space setting and planetoids. I actually need to go back and replay them, see how I feel about them these days, as I wasn't sold on Sunshine as much either, but I went back to it like a year or two ago and liked it, but I still have issues with Galaxy anyways. They aren't bad games, I'm just not super happy with them and a return to them same stuff, unless it got a big overhaul, is not what I'm wanting.
I want big worlds to explore and enjoy. That kind of 3D platformer barely exists anymore. We are starting to see an indie revival of it, but I'd like if Mario could return to more of that style and do as much as possible to separate itself from the "New Mario" and "3D World/Land" type games, which are practically interchangeable now.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: indenton on March 17, 2015, 08:23:03 pm
I can understand an opinion, but goodness "Sadly a Galaxy 3 is probably likely" was Mario Galaxy really that bad in your eyes???
I should've noted that most Mario games aren't bad. Mario is always a competent and good platformer, but I really didn't like the direction they took with Galaxy. They got rid of the hub world and I was never fond of the space setting and planetoids. I actually need to go back and replay them, see how I feel about them these days, as I wasn't sold on Sunshine as much either, but I went back to it like a year or two ago and liked it, but I still have issues with Galaxy anyways. They aren't bad games, I'm just not super happy with them and a return to them same stuff, unless it got a big overhaul, is not what I'm wanting.
I want big worlds to explore and enjoy. That kind of 3D platformer barely exists anymore. We are starting to see an indie revival of it, but I'd like if Mario could return to more of that style and do as much as possible to separate itself from the "New Mario" and "3D World/Land" type games, which are practically interchangeable now.
I will say that Galaxy 2 in the long run didn't really bring much more for a sequel, I believe it was stated that a lot of Galaxy 2's content was cut content from the original. With that in mind, it really does surprise m that Galaxy 2 got a higher critical response than the first.
A sequel being constructed from cut content due to time or 'not as good as that other galaxy we made'. It really does seem like an expansion rather than a sequel but I still think they're great games. A potential third game for this NX maybe?? Unless they really do get a surge of new ideas, then I think we should 'let sleeping dogs lie'.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: badATchaos on March 17, 2015, 09:35:16 pm
One thing I'm glad to hear is that they're not going to directly port console and mobile games together. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2015/150317/03.html
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gartcat on March 18, 2015, 09:23:29 am
I can understand an opinion, but goodness "Sadly a Galaxy 3 is probably likely" was Mario Galaxy really that bad in your eyes???
I should've noted that most Mario games aren't bad. Mario is always a competent and good platformer, but I really didn't like the direction they took with Galaxy. They got rid of the hub world and I was never fond of the space setting and planetoids. I actually need to go back and replay them, see how I feel about them these days, as I wasn't sold on Sunshine as much either, but I went back to it like a year or two ago and liked it, but I still have issues with Galaxy anyways. They aren't bad games, I'm just not super happy with them and a return to them same stuff, unless it got a big overhaul, is not what I'm wanting.
I want big worlds to explore and enjoy. That kind of 3D platformer barely exists anymore. We are starting to see an indie revival of it, but I'd like if Mario could return to more of that style and do as much as possible to separate itself from the "New Mario" and "3D World/Land" type games, which are practically interchangeable now.
Galaxy 1 &2 have hub worlds, 2 is set up more like the 8-16 bit games than 1, which has a hub world more like Mario 64. Galaxy 2 was a lot more streamlined/less confusing imo. I'll admit the 2 were pretty much the same stuff, but I'm not complaining either. To me, not changing the formula is what works for those games, keeping what made me like them in the first place intact while upgrading the graphics & adding new elements. The 2nd one isn't quite as space oriented as the first either, but they still have "bottomless pits" just like the first Super Mario Bros.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 18, 2015, 12:15:44 pm
I can understand an opinion, but goodness "Sadly a Galaxy 3 is probably likely" was Mario Galaxy really that bad in your eyes???
I should've noted that most Mario games aren't bad. Mario is always a competent and good platformer, but I really didn't like the direction they took with Galaxy. They got rid of the hub world and I was never fond of the space setting and planetoids. I actually need to go back and replay them, see how I feel about them these days, as I wasn't sold on Sunshine as much either, but I went back to it like a year or two ago and liked it, but I still have issues with Galaxy anyways. They aren't bad games, I'm just not super happy with them and a return to them same stuff, unless it got a big overhaul, is not what I'm wanting.
I want big worlds to explore and enjoy. That kind of 3D platformer barely exists anymore. We are starting to see an indie revival of it, but I'd like if Mario could return to more of that style and do as much as possible to separate itself from the "New Mario" and "3D World/Land" type games, which are practically interchangeable now.
^Thank you! I hated the Galaxy games. I loved games like Jak & Daxter where you had a big world to explore. Mario to me is at it's best when it's a 2D game. 3D World was great, but you can't beat the side-scrollers IMO.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on March 18, 2015, 05:31:39 pm
^Thank you! I hated the Galaxy games. I loved games like Jak & Daxter where you had a big world to explore. Mario to me is at it's best when it's a 2D game. 3D World was great, but you can't beat the side-scrollers IMO.
Loved the first Jak & Daxter. Not so much the sequels when they turned into more of what Ratchet and Clank were. My favorite Mario game is Super Mario 64 lol I'd rather have 3D Mario than 2D Mario lol I just prefer the 3D Platformer. It's why I want the 3D platformer revival that was big back on the N64.
ANYWAYS. This isn't about Mario games lol This is about Nintendo hardware.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: indenton on March 18, 2015, 10:41:18 pm
ANYWAYS. This isn't about Mario games lol This is about Nintendo hardware.
I just don't like letting smart remarks pass, especially with a conflicting opinion of a very highly rated game like Mario Galaxy. Not so much that I disagree, but just wanting an expansion on that opinion. Interesting nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: indenton on March 18, 2015, 10:45:34 pm
Does anyone have any ideas for features, specs? What should Nintendo be focusing on to get this ball rolling again.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on March 18, 2015, 11:15:41 pm
Does anyone have any ideas for features, specs? What should Nintendo be focusing on to get this ball rolling again.
At least PS4 quality or close to that in specs and a proper online account service like what Sony and Xbox do with theirs. You should be able to have your friends lists, you can jump between Wii U and 3DS no problem, there should be better online patching (It's such a pain in the ass to get Hyrule Warriors to properly patch). Online is what they've always had a problem with and I don't think they can hold back on this any longer. No gimmicky controller setup this time. No waggle, no gamepad tablet, probably controller setup. I say this while liking the gamepad, but it rarely feels necessary outside a few games that almost solely use this. No sure if this is an option if Nintendo wants to keep it so they can still do touch screen gaming.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: pacpix on March 19, 2015, 12:02:35 am
I agree on the online stuff. I was really hoping they would improve it for the Wii U, and they did, but it is not nearly as good as I was hoping.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 19, 2015, 08:57:49 am
Does anyone have any ideas for features, specs? What should Nintendo be focusing on to get this ball rolling again.
I can tell you what my opinion is that Nintendo needs to implement on their next system. Will Nintendo actually do what needs to be done? Probably not going by their past history. But here is my idea.
1) Use common components just like the Xbox One and PlayStation 4. If Nintendo wants to ensure that 3rd parties don't completely ignore their next system, they need to have the architecture be as similar to it's competition as possible. It makes porting easy and 3rd parties will be much more willing to make a "Nintendo version" when there isn't a large financial investment involved.
2) Standardize the online system. Friends codes, games locked to a single piece of hardware...this is all crap! Like PSN and Live, any device you purchase, you should be able to download a game you legitimately paid for to it! Transferring purchases currently is a huge PITA. When I buy a "NEW 3DS", I shouldn't have to go through a big rigamaroll standing on my head to get my digital copy of Zelda on it while simultaneously deleting it from my vanilla 3DS. You bought it, you should be able to use it on at least 3 pieces of hardware you own and are logged into with your own account.
3) Enable the damn Blu-Ray playback! Nintendo is bound & determined to save a penny per console by not paying the royalties for movie playback. Guess what Nintendo...you will spend pennies to make dollars by making your next system a viable option for movie viewing!
4) Stop with the damn motion control gimmick being forced down our throats! The Wii was a resounding success. Was it because of the waggle-wand? Yes. Did it help Nintendo transition into the current generation? Nope. The reality is that the Wii was a fad. It was all over television, grannies in nursing homes playing Wii bowling. People who had no interest in games were buying the Wii....and not much else. These grannies didn't support Nintendo by buying new software. And motion control being rammed down gamers throats ran it's course several years ago. This is evident by the low sales of the Wii U and the niche support for it on the PS3/4 and Xbox's Kinect. In fact, it was such a turd for Microsoft, they unbundled it from the One. Put a standard controller in the box and make it where every controller on the system is the same. Not player 1 using a tablet controller and the others using waggle wands.
5) For the love of all that is holy, do not name the system Wii-something!!! I cannot stress this enough!
6) Enable remote play ala Sony's method with the New 3DS.
7) Make franchise collections as I've harped about before.
8) Make commercials that don't completely suck. The commercials for the New 3DS make me cringe. They are literally as bad as the old Billy May's Oxy-Clean commercials or that douche advertising Sham-Wow. I want to stab my own eyes out when I see Nintendo's commercials! :-[
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gartcat on March 19, 2015, 09:19:55 am
I hope they don't end up calling it the "New Wii U", but based on their past & present naming trends that seems like a fair bet. It's impossible to speculate about what the actual hardware would be though. Based on what they sort of did with a few games on the Gamecube/GBA, I always thought it would be great if you could use your 3DS (or New 3DSi XL2) as an optional controller for the Wii U (or New Wii U Xtreme), since it's fairly close to the same thing as the Wii U touch screen controller. I agree they should make the motion controls optional, if you really want that you could just buy a different controller & make the standard controller less expensive.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 19, 2015, 09:36:47 am
ANYWAYS. This isn't about Mario games lol This is about Nintendo hardware.
I just don't like letting smart remarks pass, especially with a conflicting opinion of a very highly rated game like Mario Galaxy. Not so much that I disagree, but just wanting an expansion on that opinion. Interesting nonetheless.
I can tell you why I personally didn't care for it. I like platformers to have areas to explore. Mario Galaxy was bouncing from planetoid to planetoid. Or should I say meteorite because they were absolutely tiny. You never spent any significant amount of time exploring an area. Running upside-down? Not fun IMO. It jacks up (ie reverses) the way the controls work. The entire atmosphere that permeated the game was a turn-off to me. I prefer games that are colorful and vibrant like most other Mario games. It's the reason I prefer Jak & Daxter the Precursor Legacy to Jak II and Jak 3. The blackness of space was just meh. I absolutely loathe using a Wii remote and Nunchuck. It's a clumsy control scheme to me and I always felt I wasn't in complete control. Mario for me is all about running and precision jumping. Trying to do this in a 3D setting is inherently more difficult, compounded upon with the aforementioned half-assed control setup.
I also didn't like Super Mario 64 or Zelda Ocarina of Time, so take my opinion as you will. I'm not one of those "I hate it because it's popular" guys. I just didn't like that transition.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: indenton on March 19, 2015, 02:17:12 pm
ANYWAYS. This isn't about Mario games lol This is about Nintendo hardware.
I just don't like letting smart remarks pass, especially with a conflicting opinion of a very highly rated game like Mario Galaxy. Not so much that I disagree, but just wanting an expansion on that opinion. Interesting nonetheless.
I can tell you why I personally didn't care for it. I like platformers to have areas to explore. Mario Galaxy was bouncing from planetoid to planetoid. Or should I say meteorite because they were absolutely tiny. You never spent any significant amount of time exploring an area. Running upside-down? Not fun IMO. It jacks up (ie reverses) the way the controls work. The entire atmosphere that permeated the game was a turn-off to me. I prefer games that are colorful and vibrant like most other Mario games. It's the reason I prefer Jak & Daxter the Precursor Legacy to Jak II and Jak 3. The blackness of space was just meh. I absolutely loathe using a Wii remote and Nunchuck. It's a clumsy control scheme to me and I always felt I wasn't in complete control. Mario for me is all about running and precision jumping. Trying to do this in a 3D setting is inherently more difficult, compounded upon with the aforementioned half-assed control setup.
I also didn't like Super Mario 64 or Zelda Ocarina of Time, so take my opinion as you will. I'm not one of those "I hate it because it's popular" guys. I just didn't like that transition.
I imagine you would be looking forward to games like 'A Hat in Time' & this 'Project Ukulele'.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: indenton on March 19, 2015, 02:44:52 pm
So I think everyone is in agreement that this NX is gonna need some power behind it to keep any third-parties juiced up for development.
Nintendo have always been able to overcome any console limitations and put any competition to shame on the fly. They've understood the potential and limitations of there own hardware and embraced it to produce some of the best games consistently of the years. Rest assured that Nintendo is doing everything in there power to shift the Wii U with its high quality games. Third-party developers on the other hand have bigger plans. They've gotten the grips with the PS4, Xbox One, PS Vita and they've been able to pull of some pretty impressive stuff recently. Then we have the Wii U, what developer would willingly return to lower specs, or reduce specs to make a 'Wii U edition'.
Just look at what's happening with Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty. Alright we get it, the Wii U is forcing downgrades for multi-platform games, in the long run it's not a very good console at all. Nintendo may be able to make some masterpieces for its consoles, but the third-parties will need some elbow room if they're gonna have a fighting chance competing with other platforms, or in this case catch up to its competitors to begin with. Not every developer has mastered programming, they may not be able to adjust to foreign architecture or libraries. Not everyone is Nintendo.
Class dismissed
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 19, 2015, 03:31:12 pm
So I think everyone is in agreement that this NX is gonna need some power behind it to keep any third-parties juiced up for development.
Nintendo have always been able to overcome any console limitations and put any competition to shame on the fly. They've understood the potential and limitations of there own hardware and embraced it to produce some of the best games consistently of the years. Rest assured that Nintendo is doing everything in there power to shift the Wii U with its high quality games. Third-party developers on the other hand have bigger plans. They've gotten the grips with the PS4, Xbox One, PS Vita and they've been able to pull of some pretty impressive stuff recently. Then we have the Wii U, what developer would willingly return to lower specs, or reduce specs to make a 'Wii U edition'.
Just look at what's happening with Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty. Alright we get it, the Wii U is forcing downgrades for multi-platform games, in the long run it's not a very good console at all. Nintendo may be able to make some masterpieces for its consoles, but the third-parties will need some elbow room if they're gonna have a fighting chance competing with other platforms, or in this case catch up to its competitors to begin with. Not every developer has mastered programming, they may not be able to adjust to foreign architecture or libraries. Not everyone is Nintendo.
Class dismissed
Nintendo absolutely must build their next console with the architecture similar enough to the PS4 or Xbone that porting is easy as can be. There are no incentives for 3rd parties to make games for Nintendo consoles. They always sell less than they do on the competitions systems. For Nintendo to have a fighting chance, they need to have their 1st party titles and a stable of 3rd party games equivalent to what the competition has.
In all honesty-and I know this won't be a popular sentiment-Nintendo has consistently lost market share to it's competition each consecutive generation with the exception of the Wii. The Wii U may highlight their problems with it's low sales figures, but this trend began with the SNES and has continued.
WORLDWIDE SALES FIGURES (CUMULATIVE TOTALS)
Famicom/NES: 62 million systems sold (rounded up) Super Famicom/SNES: 49.1 million systems sold N64: 33 million systems sold (rounded up) Gamecube: 21.74 million systems sold Wii: 101.5 million systems sold (rounded up) Wii U: 9.2 million units sold so far...
The stark reality is that Nintendo started off strong because there literally was no legitimate competition. Tonka marketed the Master System like crap and Atari blew their consumer good will long before not to mention the 7800 was crap. Sega showed up with the Genesis/Mega Drive and stole half of Nintendo's market share. PlayStation arrived and obliterated Nintendo's market share. PS2 wiped the floor with everyone.
If Nintendo wants to compete and remain relevant, they need to step their game up. And I for one really hope they do. A gaming world without Nintendo games is one I don't think I want to play in. :-[
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: indenton on March 19, 2015, 03:54:47 pm
If Nintendo wants to compete and remain relevant, they need to step their game up. And I for one really hope they do. A gaming world without Nintendo games is one I don't think I want to play in. :-[
So yeah, the Wii U had its problems, but their is still hope. Nintendo is holding firm that they are still in the console market, maybe (emphasis on maybe) Nintendo have caught onto what should to be done with the NX. just don't mess this one up, give it a cool (not stupid) name while you're at it. I don't wanna wee in front of you. It ain't gonna be new when it's old, is it
In the meantime, the 3DS family is 'going merry' & we are due some pretty big titles for the Wii U later this year. I believe that Xenoblade Chronicles X will be the game to finally put the console to the test. I feel like this will be the closest to Next-gen (current gen?? What even is it anymore) that the Wii U will get.
Can the Wii U handle pseudo next-gen?
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 19, 2015, 04:23:48 pm
I think it can. Next gen can't be pigeonholed into one specific term. Are game graphics now only considered good if they are realistic? I don't believe so. Many of the games on the Wii U are gorgeous. Bayonetta 2 looks like a really polished, end-of-life PS3 title. Rayman Legends is on the 'bone and PS4 and it's considered "next gen."
It's just an unfortunate reality that even though the Wii U can have great looking games and is capable of decent (though not as good graphically) ports of PS4 and 'bone titles, 3rd parties don't see it being worthwhile.
Nintendo might as well face it that the sales of Wii were an anomaly. They aren't going to magically reclaim those glory days. They can either buckle down on their next console and fall in line with what the other two are doing, or they can continue to march to the beat of their own drum and see where they end up. For all the "Nintendo apologists" you hear from, talking about how Nintendo is fine, they make money, they don't need to change, etc....it's obvious Nintendo themselves feel they need to change. It's evident in their announcements. It's evident by them deciding to entice mobile phone/tablet users to get into the Nintendo ecosystem with the hopes they buy a Nintendo system by making mobile apps.
They are not making these changes because a bunch of armchair internet analysts are saying they need to do blah, blah, blah. They are changing because they see the writing on the proverbial wall and realize that the business model they have so strictly adhered to is seeing depreciating returns.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: indenton on March 19, 2015, 05:03:23 pm
I think it can. Next gen can't be pigeonholed into one specific term. Are game graphics now only considered good if they are realistic? I don't believe so. Many of the games on the Wii U are gorgeous. Bayonetta 2 looks like a really polished, end-of-life PS3 title. Rayman Legends is on the 'bone and PS4 and it's considered "next gen."
I truly believe that there's a huge difference between good graphics and good looks. But despite that, the gameplay should be coming first every time. I trust Nintendo understands this and it really shows with games like Zelda: Wind Waker.
Another good example of this would be Minecraft. In this case the visuals aren't too much anyway, but this opens the door for so much creativity as the entire would is made up of building blocks. The sky's the limit
It's just an unfortunate reality that even though the Wii U can have great looking games and is capable of decent (though not as good graphically) ports of PS4 and 'bone titles, 3rd parties don't see it being worthwhile.
The ironic thing is with your example of Rayman Legends as a Next-gen title is that the Wii U version received the highest average critic score. For the record, I love Rayman Legends. Suck it Rayman 2
They are not making these changes because a bunch of armchair internet analysts are saying they need to do blah, blah, blah. They are changing because they see the writing on the proverbial wall and realize that the business model they have so strictly adhered to is seeing depreciating returns.
Is that a statement as to what we're doing right now???
Those analyst comments about the pending future of the Wii U are just priceless. I relish in there pessimistic views and there complete ignorance that software is still being made, as well the performance of the 3DS family. It does sound like they're making some changes for the future, but nothing like the predictions/assumptions made.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: badATchaos on March 19, 2015, 08:31:45 pm
Does anyone have any ideas for features, specs? What should Nintendo be focusing on to get this ball rolling again.
They need to switch to x86. Being the only remaining console on Power PC is kind of a draw back for them at this point. They need to cater to developers and publisher as much as possible. Ultimately they need to have specs comparable to they're competitors. In the long run the system can't survive on first party games alone. Nintendo got lucky with the Wii and were able to just skate by to the end on the great success the system had early in it's life cycle. Gimmicks like motion control and touch screens only go so far and by forcing those features upon developers it makes their system unattractive to some because of the extra work they'd need to go through in-order to get their game to work on the system.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: indenton on March 19, 2015, 09:46:14 pm
Very true, as much as some of us may adore Nintendo's IPs, they definitely need some people in the back and I don't think Indie developers will be enough. Besides, it would still be cool to discover some obscure gem on the 'NX' which hasn't been drummed into our brains through some Nintendo Direct. I find a lot of value in discovering some really cool game from a niche developer. Give them the necessary resources and they can all help get the 'NX' out their.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: evilnick on April 23, 2015, 11:37:48 am
Here are my quick 2 cents on this:
NX is a new console that will initially be released as a "third tier" the way the DS was. If successful, the Wii U and/or the 3DS (if it is indeed the integrated console of legend) will be quietly and quickly retired within a year.
It will launch in November 2016, following the timetable of announcement-to-release of most recent Nintendo hardware, particularly the Wii U and 3DS, which had less than 18 months before announcement and release.
It will not carry the Wii moniker, which has been badly tarnished by the Wii U.
It will not have a GamePad-like controller, as the GamePad has largely failed to live up to it's promises, and has been quite frequently noted as a thorn in the side of the console actually preventing sales.
I would not be surprised if Zelda U became Zelda NX, or pulled a cross-platform release like Twilight Princess.
I also think it's extremely important to launch no later than 2016--and Iwata has made mention of "returning to Nintendo-like profits" by the end of the fiscal year ending March 2017, which likely indicates a 2016 release. Primarily because the Wii U is already moving into it's end-of-cycle decline like the N64, GameCube, and Wii during their final two years on the market and the total lack of 3rd party support supports the hypothesis of "end of cycle" decline.
The big problem, however, is that the Steam Machines are launching this year, which means Nintendo will be launching in the face of three strong competitors, two of whom (PS4 and XBO) will be planted firmly in their peak years (2016~2018), which means it will be extremely difficult for Nintendo to even be noticed in this crowd, particularly when they are barely registering to consumers now as it is.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: evilnick on April 23, 2015, 11:48:56 am
It's just an unfortunate reality that even though the Wii U can have great looking games and is capable of decent (though not as good graphically) ports of PS4 and 'bone titles, 3rd parties don't see it being worthwhile.
Nintendo might as well face it that the sales of Wii were an anomaly. They aren't going to magically reclaim those glory days. They can either buckle down on their next console and fall in line with what the other two are doing, or they can continue to march to the beat of their own drum and see where they end up. For all the "Nintendo apologists" you hear from, talking about how Nintendo is fine, they make money, they don't need to change, etc....it's obvious Nintendo themselves feel they need to change. It's evident in their announcements. It's evident by them deciding to entice mobile phone/tablet users to get into the Nintendo ecosystem with the hopes they buy a Nintendo system by making mobile apps.
They are not making these changes because a bunch of armchair internet analysts are saying they need to do blah, blah, blah. They are changing because they see the writing on the proverbial wall and realize that the business model they have so strictly adhered to is seeing depreciating returns.
The Wii U isn't worthwhile to 3rd parties. It can't handle next-gen and upcoming game engines (like Unreal 4), it has no harddrive to store or install bigger titles, and it's lacking the online infrastructure or user accounts necessary to support so many modern games.
I think you're absolutely right that the Wii was an anomaly, and that Nintendo doesn't understand that. I think the mobile deal with DeNA is their first step to realizing that there is more money in going software-only for them than in wasting time making hardware that just confuses and annoys the vast majority of the gaming public.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: indenton on April 23, 2015, 08:04:25 pm
NX is a new console that will initially be released as a "third tier" the way the DS was. If successful, the Wii U and/or the 3DS (if it is indeed the integrated console of legend) will be quietly and quickly retired within a year.
Are we really talking about retiring the New 3DS? We have yet to here about any other New 3DS exclusive games. E3 2015 might address that maybe???
It will not have a GamePad-like controller, as the GamePad has largely failed to live up to it's promises, and has been quite frequently noted as a thorn in the side of the console actually preventing sales.
The Xbox One Controller feels silky smooth, the 'Wii U Pro Controller' seems pretty competent. Maybe they can work with that. Not the life support edition which is the 'Classic Controller'.
I would not be surprised if Zelda U became Zelda NX, or pulled a cross-platform release like Twilight Princess.
If this happens, I think we can officially get out the wooden stake. If you haven't already, that is. I don't think this will go down the same way as it did with Twilight Princess.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 23, 2015, 10:10:23 pm
NX is a new console that will initially be released as a "third tier" the way the DS was. If successful, the Wii U and/or the 3DS (if it is indeed the integrated console of legend) will be quietly and quickly retired within a year.
It will launch in November 2016, following the timetable of announcement-to-release of most recent Nintendo hardware, particularly the Wii U and 3DS, which had less than 18 months before announcement and release.
It will not carry the Wii moniker, which has been badly tarnished by the Wii U.
It will not have a GamePad-like controller, as the GamePad has largely failed to live up to it's promises, and has been quite frequently noted as a thorn in the side of the console actually preventing sales.
I would not be surprised if Zelda U became Zelda NX, or pulled a cross-platform release like Twilight Princess.
I also think it's extremely important to launch no later than 2016--and Iwata has made mention of "returning to Nintendo-like profits" by the end of the fiscal year ending March 2017, which likely indicates a 2016 release. Primarily because the Wii U is already moving into it's end-of-cycle decline like the N64, GameCube, and Wii during their final two years on the market and the total lack of 3rd party support supports the hypothesis of "end of cycle" decline.
The big problem, however, is that the Steam Machines are launching this year, which means Nintendo will be launching in the face of three strong competitors, two of whom (PS4 and XBO) will be planted firmly in their peak years (2016~2018), which means it will be extremely difficult for Nintendo to even be noticed in this crowd, particularly when they are barely registering to consumers now as it is.
Guaranteed the NX will not be out in 2016. It has no reason to rush out. Sure, the Wii U isn't gonna be the big seller it was hoped to be, but it's turned around and it's doing alright for now and it'll keep that going till I feel a 2017 release. That gives the Wii U a comfortable 5 years of prominence.
I do agree it'll drop the Wii name, it has to (And don't you even dare of adding NEW onto it, Nintendo. That's the worst thing you could possibly more than keeping the Wii name lol).
And the Zelda is guaranteed for Wii U. The Wii U has not had it's Zelda game and they aren't going to pass it over simply because it would be a disservice to those who supported the Wii U. I don't even think the Twilight Princess deal will happen, but perhaps an enhanced edition showing up within the first year or so on the NX, like Wind Waker HD.
I actually think the gamepad is pretty great, kinda the only good addition the current gen systems have had, even if it hasn't had full support, I liked being able to have a separate screen and such, but it would be smarter to go for a more traditional controller route, using that extra money to beef up the games hardware to make it more competitive, but still affordable in comparison to the other systems.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on October 16, 2015, 12:19:10 pm
According to this report, the Nintendo NX will be both a console, and have a take-away mobile device (that you can take on the road, according to this, not just 50 feet from your console like the Wii U). Sounds interesting.
They also say that the Nintendo is using "industry leading chips" so they can compete with the PS4 and XBox One. So it should be able to support third-party releases.
According to this report, the Nintendo NX will be both a console, and have a take-away mobile device (that you can take on the road, according to this, not just 50 feet from your console like the Wii U). Sounds interesting.
They also say that the Nintendo is using "industry leading chips" so they can compete with the PS4 and XBox One. So it should be able to support third-party releases.
I was reading similar articles on Ars and Polygon earlier. But the story will be similar to what we have now. Nintendo will be 3-4 years late to the "current gen." Their only chance is if they use the same x86 architecture as the PS4 and Xbox One if they hope to get any 3rd party support.
Right now, there are just too many unanswered questions that we won't know the answers to until E3 next year at the earliest. Will Nintendo launch the NX as the successor to the Wii U and New 3DS four years after the former and 1-2 years after the latter came to market? That thought pisses me off and I'm sure it would piss off many others as well.
So here's what I am thinking right now. There are two possibilities with the "portable controller" for the NX. Either it's a supped-up version of the gamepad for the Wii U, which places it firmly in the "gimmicky controller" department once again. Or, it's the successor to the "New" 3DS and will effectively eliminate or at the very least cut back on the support for the current model, a scant 1-2 years after it was released.
Either way, it doesn't sound promising to me. Nintendo's greatest home console was the SNES. They have done nothing but disappoint ever since. Like a glutton for punishment, I continue to buy every Nintendo system and as much as I love the magic of Nintendo's games, they continue to baffle and confound me with their sheer stupidity.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on October 16, 2015, 05:10:22 pm
I don't think the "New" 3DS replacement is a big deal, it's clear it was just a general upgrade along with being a way to promote the 3DS heavily again, and with the 3DS having been around for awhile, it's time to replace it with something better. I feel like the crappy Xenoblade Chronicles port showed they've maxed out what even the newest version can handle. Or that was just a real bad port, I'm not sure.
Even having only had the Wii U for like a year now, I'm fine with the upcoming replacement. I know it's needed so Nintendo can compete properly and get better third party support and I'm hoping that we'll finally get the cohesive online setup Nintendo has been needing. Curious about how the pricing will go. I remember the rumors of it being something that is more like a set of modules to kinda get it at different levels as I'd likely not look at getting the handheld part, especially if it cuts down on the price. Would certainly be better that way than tying it to the system like the gamepad was, especially since they need to keep the costs around the 3 to 400 dollar range.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: spac316 on October 16, 2015, 05:20:56 pm
I think it could be step forward on what Nintendo should do in this modern day market. Having a system that can be both a home console and a handheld could be a great if done right. I just hope it'll have the top of the line hardware specs to make it more enticing for developers and consumers.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: Warmsignal on October 18, 2015, 10:53:13 pm
I think it could be step forward on what Nintendo should do in this modern day market. Having a system that can be both a home console and a handheld could be a great if done right. I just hope it'll have the top of the line hardware specs to make it more enticing for developers and consumers.
What the Vita should have been, imo.
I think the biggest problem is convincing the market that it's still worth lugging around a dedicated handheld. Which brings to mind the ill fated Nokia N-Gage. What if Nintendo could make this console/handheld hybrid also operate as a smart phone? I doubt it, but that's one avenue.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on October 19, 2015, 10:10:59 am
I don't think the "New" 3DS replacement is a big deal, it's clear it was just a general upgrade along with being a way to promote the 3DS heavily again, and with the 3DS having been around for awhile, it's time to replace it with something better. I feel like the crappy Xenoblade Chronicles port showed they've maxed out what even the newest version can handle. Or that was just a real bad port, I'm not sure.
Even having only had the Wii U for like a year now, I'm fine with the upcoming replacement. I know it's needed so Nintendo can compete properly and get better third party support and I'm hoping that we'll finally get the cohesive online setup Nintendo has been needing. Curious about how the pricing will go. I remember the rumors of it being something that is more like a set of modules to kinda get it at different levels as I'd likely not look at getting the handheld part, especially if it cuts down on the price. Would certainly be better that way than tying it to the system like the gamepad was, especially since they need to keep the costs around the 3 to 400 dollar range.
I think it is a big deal. Nintendo has marketed the "New" 3DS as a "New" system. It has better specs and at least one game so far that requires it. Not to mention it has a second analog stick/nub and the NFC reader built-in. So in essence, it is a new system that Nintendo just launched this year. The system does have significantly upgraded specs and features and about the only complaint I can really levy against it is the lower-resolution screen which was a real blunder.
Coming out with the New 3DS and now with the standard size just arriving with changeable faceplates...if Nintendo has planned all along to replace this system in a year to two years time, I think it's pretty $hitty of them. Ideally, I believe the New 3DS is powerful enough that it could be used as the portable part of the system or at least hope so.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on October 19, 2015, 03:39:02 pm
I don't think the "New" 3DS replacement is a big deal, it's clear it was just a general upgrade along with being a way to promote the 3DS heavily again, and with the 3DS having been around for awhile, it's time to replace it with something better. I feel like the crappy Xenoblade Chronicles port showed they've maxed out what even the newest version can handle. Or that was just a real bad port, I'm not sure.
Even having only had the Wii U for like a year now, I'm fine with the upcoming replacement. I know it's needed so Nintendo can compete properly and get better third party support and I'm hoping that we'll finally get the cohesive online setup Nintendo has been needing. Curious about how the pricing will go. I remember the rumors of it being something that is more like a set of modules to kinda get it at different levels as I'd likely not look at getting the handheld part, especially if it cuts down on the price. Would certainly be better that way than tying it to the system like the gamepad was, especially since they need to keep the costs around the 3 to 400 dollar range.
I think it is a big deal. Nintendo has marketed the "New" 3DS as a "New" system. It has better specs and at least one game so far that requires it. Not to mention it has a second analog stick/nub and the NFC reader built-in. So in essence, it is a new system that Nintendo just launched this year. The system does have significantly upgraded specs and features and about the only complaint I can really levy against it is the lower-resolution screen which was a real blunder.
Coming out with the New 3DS and now with the standard size just arriving with changeable faceplates...if Nintendo has planned all along to replace this system in a year to two years time, I think it's pretty $hitty of them. Ideally, I believe the New 3DS is powerful enough that it could be used as the portable part of the system or at least hope so.
I don't think the New 3DS is remotely powerful enough to be the portable part. It wasn't a huge upgrade. To me, they've never promoted it as the "New" system in that it was the next big leap in Nintendo handhelds. It's always seemed to be presented as just a way to refresh the 3DS brand along with maybe enticing people with exclusives, but they haven't really done anything with that other than the failed Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and to enhance a couple games.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on October 19, 2015, 04:00:33 pm
I don't think the New 3DS is remotely powerful enough to be the portable part. It wasn't a huge upgrade. To me, they've never promoted it as the "New" system in that it was the next big leap in Nintendo handhelds. It's always seemed to be presented as just a way to refresh the 3DS brand along with maybe enticing people with exclusives, but they haven't really done anything with that other than the failed Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and to enhance a couple games.
It may not be powerful enough for the portable part of the NX, but if you compare the specs between the 3DS and "New" 3DS, it was a pretty significant upgrade.
Processor: 3DS - dual-core / New 3DS 268MHz quad-core RAM: 3DS - 128MB / New 3DS - 256MB VRAM: 3DS - 6MB / New 3DS - 10MB Expandable storage: 3DS - SD cards / New 3DS - Micro SD cards
Then you have the added features: Motion Tracking 3D C-Stick ZR + ZL buttons Built-in NFC reader
When you look at it, it is a pretty significant upgrade and specs and features. Just because Nintendo hasn't created any software specifically that utilizes the extra specs to a significant degree doesn't mean the hardware hasn't improved vastly. At least, that's my opinion. :P
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on October 19, 2015, 04:03:21 pm
I have a 3DS XL. I use it all the time. Never once since the "New" 3DS came out, have I had the want to upgrade to it. As long as I can play the same games easily enough, I don't want to upgrade.
Now if Nintendo were to suddenly make a bunch of games exclusive to the "New" 3DS, then I might think about upgrading. But as of now, that's not the case. Nor have I heard of any coming out on the horizon.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on October 19, 2015, 04:12:20 pm
I don't think the New 3DS is remotely powerful enough to be the portable part. It wasn't a huge upgrade. To me, they've never promoted it as the "New" system in that it was the next big leap in Nintendo handhelds. It's always seemed to be presented as just a way to refresh the 3DS brand along with maybe enticing people with exclusives, but they haven't really done anything with that other than the failed Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and to enhance a couple games.
It may not be powerful enough for the portable part of the NX, but if you compare the specs between the 3DS and "New" 3DS, it was a pretty significant upgrade.
Processor: 3DS - dual-core / New 3DS 268MHz quad-core RAM: 3DS - 128MB / New 3DS - 256MB VRAM: 3DS - 6MB / New 3DS - 10MB Expandable storage: 3DS - SD cards / New 3DS - Micro SD cards
Then you have the added features: Motion Tracking 3D C-Stick ZR + ZL buttons Built-in NFC reader
When you look at it, it is a pretty significant upgrade and specs and features. Just because Nintendo hasn't created any software specifically that utilizes the extra specs to a significant degree doesn't mean the hardware hasn't improved vastly. At least, that's my opinion. :P
It is an upgrade, but not enough to viable as the newest handheld for the next however many years. The lack of content specifically for it to me shows that it's nothing more than them refreshing the brand. The only thing coming up that even utilizes the new hardware I believe is Hyrule Warriors Legends, and that's just so you can use the 3D, which funnily enough won't be a feature on the original "3D"s systems lol
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on October 20, 2015, 10:09:16 am
It is an upgrade, but not enough to viable as the newest handheld for the next however many years. The lack of content specifically for it to me shows that it's nothing more than them refreshing the brand. The only thing coming up that even utilizes the new hardware I believe is Hyrule Warriors Legends, and that's just so you can use the 3D, which funnily enough won't be a feature on the original "3D"s systems lol
Fair enough. But I believe there are nearly 5 million gamers who "refreshed" recently (and growing) who won't take too kindly to their "new" hardware being replaced in short order.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on January 06, 2016, 01:56:39 pm
It is coming this year, according to the latest reports:
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on February 28, 2016, 07:52:51 pm
Rumors are abound to varying degrees of possible legitness. The Pokemon Sun and Moon reveal lead credence to a leak about it and the idea that the new Zelda will pull a Twilight Princess and release on both Wii U and NX at the end of this year.
A new rumor going around from someone who seems to be considered trustworthy. It sounds like a huge tech jump for a system if it turns out to be true and it being easy to develop for will certainly work to bring more developers back to the system.
-It has a wireless HDMI dongle that attaches flush to the back of the device. You can pull it out and insert it into any display with a normal sized HDMI output.
-The device uses an evolved version of the Wii U's streaming tech to display in HD on the TV screen.
-Analog controls for movement have small motors in them for full haptic feedback (e.g. if you control a character and hit a wall, the sticks move away from the wall to simulate hitting it)
-Bluetooth synch with tons of devices is supported, including smartphones and tablets.
-You can answer phone calls and display text messages from your phone onto NX screen(s).
-It is closest to the Xbox One in terms of power.
-All tech involved uses the exact same hardware layout as the PS4 and Xbox One
-Any game that can run on PlayStation 4 or Xbox One can easily run on the NX with almost no modifications required. This is even more true if the game runs on Android OS or Unreal Engine 4. One third-party developer said "it's the easiest device we've ever developed for. You just take your code, compile it and it works."
-We should look to Pokémon GO to get an idea of the type of social features that will be in NX.
-It will take multiplayer, AR, and the StreetPass concept to a whole new level.
-The strengths of the device are its usability and ease of use.
-Devs describe it visually and functionally as "as if Samsung and the Nintendo 2DS had a baby."
-It looks friendly, but unlike what most people believe a Nintendo device to typically look like.
-The operating system, named NintendOS, is very powerful and has many modern features of mobile operating systems.
-Nintendo is trying to be very careful in showing it off for fear that it would be mistaken as running Android.
-Very strong networking functions, as it ties into multiple devices and services. This allows for a very competent and pervasive eco-system designed to constantly involve the consumer's life.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on February 28, 2016, 09:14:24 pm
They could stamp a pile of shit with a Mario head and I'd buy it. I'm just glad that Nintendo is going to do something to compete. I honestly believe they could take over if they built a machine like the Xbone and PS4. They have the best 1st party of any of the consoles. The other two are winning on 3rd party support.
Microsoft and Sony should be very concerned about this news
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on February 28, 2016, 10:43:47 pm
They could stamp a pile of shit with a Mario head and I'd buy it. I'm just glad that Nintendo is going to do something to compete. I honestly believe they could take over if they built a machine like the Xbone and PS4. They have the best 1st party of any of the consoles. The other two are winning on 3rd party support.
Microsoft and Sony should be very concerned about this news
Yeah of everything I've bought for the PS4 so far, only one was like amazing good, and that is Bloodborne. Luckily they have a number of exclusives that look great this year, but I think if the NX makes it out this year, with big third party support and some big first party games that include a brand new Zelda on launch (I could see them doing a similar thing to Star Fox, because why not?), I could see Nintendo making a possible dent, or at the very least, making things look even worse for Microsoft since Sony is in to strong of a place right now.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on February 29, 2016, 07:10:20 am
They could stamp a pile of shit with a Mario head and I'd buy it. I'm just glad that Nintendo is going to do something to compete. I honestly believe they could take over if they built a machine like the Xbone and PS4. They have the best 1st party of any of the consoles. The other two are winning on 3rd party support.
Microsoft and Sony should be very concerned about this news
Microsoft perhaps but the PS4 already has a large install base and with some of their biggest exclusives such as Uncharted 4 and Persona 5 on the horizon that's only set to grow. The PS4 could hit 50 million units sold before NX even get's released; and from that position you generally only grow with friends wanting the console their friends have or perhaps people wanting to buy the latest model.
Microsoft though, yeah could be concerned, as Nintendo really could put it up to them in the race to be number 2.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on February 29, 2016, 12:45:43 pm
Yep, Mario is the best platformer, Zelda the best adventure series, Metroid is so good that it started an entire genre (Metoridvania), people seem to love the building aspect of Mario Maker, and then there's the multiplayer of Mario Kart and Smash Bros. And then you have all the kiddies addicted to Pokemon and Amiibos. Easily the best first-party support. I agree that Sony is good, too, but Nintendo is in a league of it's own with first-party titles.
If Nintendo built a capable machine and could persuade third-party support back to it's console, I agree that they could take back that #1 spot they used to have.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: telly on February 29, 2016, 12:58:15 pm
I know I would really be excited Nintendo's next console if they brought the 3rd party support back! Since only buying one console would be realistically within my budget, I don't go with Nintendo because they don't have outside people making games for it. :-\
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on February 29, 2016, 12:58:35 pm
If Nintendo built a capable machine and could persuade third-party support back to it's console, I agree that they could take back that #1 spot they used to have.
Not this generation, I think it's too late for that with Sony, but as long as their sales are good and they stay competitive with them, certainly having the chance to catch up to Microsoft at least, by the next generation with a smarter business model going on, they could give the PS5 a good run for its money for sure.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on February 29, 2016, 01:07:19 pm
^ I don't know. There really haven't been too many "must-have" games this generation, yet. And a few of the bigger ones, were actually Nintendo titles. I think there's still room for Nintendo to win out, if they could pull off third-party support.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on February 29, 2016, 01:26:32 pm
^ I don't know. There really haven't been too many "must-have" games this generation, yet. And a few of the bigger ones, were actually Nintendo titles. I think there's still room for Nintendo to win out, if they could pull off third-party support.
Well there are a lot coming to the PS4 and the PS4 has already sold insanely well. Nintendo could have it's greatest lineup ever and still never catch up. It's too late in the cycle for Nintendo to make a dent like that. They could fairly easily take the #2 position I think since Microsoft is floundering with many "exclusive" game issues. I mean there's a chance that not even Halo will stay exclusive to the Xbone, which is kind of a big deal.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on February 29, 2016, 02:31:52 pm
Nintendo has the pull to bring people in, but if they can manage solid third party support, they will have a reason for people to stay as well.
I will say however, if Nintendo released the NX this year, and I would buy launch day for sure, even if starting from launch day all multi-platform titles launched simultaneously with NX, I don't know if I'd buy for NX. It would take something special for me to choose NX over PS4/X1. Though, I've not chosen a console between PS4/X1, so they could steal it.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: redblaze57 on February 29, 2016, 06:50:22 pm
third party support would be nice as long as they don't botch it like they did on the Wii U and make the NX ports inferior Watch Dogs, Arkham Origins, injustice anyone...
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on February 29, 2016, 06:59:22 pm
Seeing that the rumor says it's on par with the Xbone and it's hardware allows for very easy ports from both the other consoles, I imagine they shouldn't have much trouble with third party support any longer, though they probably have to win back some developers.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on March 01, 2016, 03:58:03 am
I think if NX is launching this fall (let's say early November); it's launch month line up needs to be something like this:
First Party Titles: TBA Zelda Title Smash Bros NX (port of Wii U version) New 3D Mario Title Xenoblade Chronicles X (port of Wii U version) Entire Wii U Virtual Console Library available at launch (cross-platform)
Third Party Titles: Call of Duty 2016 Battlefield 5 Fifa 17 (+ NFL, NBA, UFC etc.) Mass Effect Andromeda Final Fantasy XV
And some other lesser titles to pad it out that aren't worth me mentioning.
I think with a launch window like that; people will jump on board.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 01, 2016, 10:27:05 am
It's too late for Nintendo - even if all the stars aligned - to get anywhere near the sales of the PS4 this generation. By this upcoming holiday season when the NX could realistically launch, the PS4 will be hovering around 45-48 million units sold. If Nintendo can release their own games and 3rd party games arrive day & date and match the PS4 and Xbox One games feature-for-feature, they have a realistic chance of catching up to the Xbox One or surpassing it, even with Microsoft's 18 million or whatever lead. I say whatever because the numbers are bad enough that MS doesn't report them any longer.
As long as Nintendo continues to use physical media instead of download-only bullshit and some of the rumored features pan out, I see myself buying one.
And who here didn't see a simultaneous Wii U/NX Zelda launch from a mile away? ::)
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on March 01, 2016, 12:44:45 pm
The N64 was released later than the PS1 and Saturn, and it seemed to hold it's own.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on March 01, 2016, 02:42:35 pm
The N64 was released later than the PS1 and Saturn, and it seemed to hold it's own.
PS1 - 102.5m N64 - 33m
More than 3 times the amount....
Yes it beat the Saturn but that wouldn't be hard.
That said the PS4 is predicted by experts to hit 100m in its life cycle (PS5 predicted for 2019). One would presume the NX's life cycle would be at least till 2020 (in terms of it being the primary console for Nintendo); I'm sure Nintendo will hope it lasts longer but the late entries into the console generation never last as long as those that begin the generation.
So if NX can sell about 35m units in those 4 years, well it would be somewhat of a success in my eyes, however I'm not sure that with the cost of R&D and manufacturing for modern consoles; will 35m be enough to make it a commercial success? I don't know.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on March 01, 2016, 02:53:31 pm
So if NX can sell about 35m units in those 4 years, well it would be somewhat of a success in my eyes, however I'm not sure that with the cost of R&D and manufacturing for modern consoles; will 35m be enough to make it a commercial success? I don't know.
It'll be a slow burn for the NX. It's an odd time to be getting into the console game. If they can make a dent and release the the NX2 the same year as PS5, they'll be right in the hunt.
If Nintendo can have COD, Madden, (Insert Very Popular Game), and then they're first party line up; watch out world.
With the popularity of Bayonetta, I can see Nintendo creating more mature type games.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 01, 2016, 03:07:37 pm
So if NX can sell about 35m units in those 4 years, well it would be somewhat of a success in my eyes, however I'm not sure that with the cost of R&D and manufacturing for modern consoles; will 35m be enough to make it a commercial success? I don't know.
It'll be a slow burn for the NX. It's an odd time to be getting into the console game. If they can make a dent and release the the NX2 the same year as PS5, they'll be right in the hunt.
If Nintendo can have COD, Madden, (Insert Very Popular Game), and then they're first party line up; watch out world.
With the popularity of Bayonetta, I can see Nintendo creating more mature type games.
didn't Bayonetta 2 sell like complete ass though? And not sure about the "they still work" comment if that was inferring that the PlayStation's don't work any longer, but I have five of them and all read and play discs just fine.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 01, 2016, 03:16:05 pm
The N64 was released later than the PS1 and Saturn, and it seemed to hold it's own.
The N64 was only released a year later than the PlayStation and was absolutely trounced in sales. The Wii anomaly aside, Nintendo has been on a downhill slide with each subsequent console generation. I've rounded the numbers up to the nearest "million."
NES: 62 million SNES: 50 million N64: 33 million Gamecube: 22 million Wii: 101 million Wii U: 13 million (in three years)
Comparatively, PlayStation has gained ground each generation with the exception of the PS3 which lost out to bonkers people buying Wii's instead. :P
PlayStation: 103 million PlayStation 2: 155 million PlayStation 3: 80 million (as of December 2013, no newer figures available) PlayStation 4: 36 million (in two years)
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on March 01, 2016, 03:30:52 pm
So if NX can sell about 35m units in those 4 years, well it would be somewhat of a success in my eyes, however I'm not sure that with the cost of R&D and manufacturing for modern consoles; will 35m be enough to make it a commercial success? I don't know.
It'll be a slow burn for the NX. It's an odd time to be getting into the console game. If they can make a dent and release the the NX2 the same year as PS5, they'll be right in the hunt.
If Nintendo can have COD, Madden, (Insert Very Popular Game), and then they're first party line up; watch out world.
With the popularity of Bayonetta, I can see Nintendo creating more mature type games.
If PS5 is coming out in 2019 as predicted. What's the point in bringing out the NX for just 3 years? I can't see that being the case. Fans would lose their heads; I know plenty of Nintendo fans who feel betrayed that the Wii U got so little support and now that support is being cut out. If people were to buy an NX this fall; only for Nintendo to launch a follow up in 2019, well i think that could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
If I was Nintendo I wouldn't be launching a console now. I'd plan a launch of a new system for fall 2018; I'd make it the best it can be and I'd give developers the time to make the best launch line up ever known to man. I'd grab the market before Sony and Microsoft even get to announce their new consoles. I'm sure 3DS and mobile could keep them afloat until then. Obviously that isn't happening but that would probably have been the best plan.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on March 01, 2016, 04:29:29 pm
So if NX can sell about 35m units in those 4 years, well it would be somewhat of a success in my eyes, however I'm not sure that with the cost of R&D and manufacturing for modern consoles; will 35m be enough to make it a commercial success? I don't know.
It'll be a slow burn for the NX. It's an odd time to be getting into the console game. If they can make a dent and release the the NX2 the same year as PS5, they'll be right in the hunt.
If Nintendo can have COD, Madden, (Insert Very Popular Game), and then they're first party line up; watch out world.
With the popularity of Bayonetta, I can see Nintendo creating more mature type games.
If PS5 is coming out in 2019 as predicted. What's the point in bringing out the NX for just 3 years? I can't see that being the case. Fans would lose their heads; I know plenty of Nintendo fans who feel betrayed that the Wii U got so little support and now that support is being cut out. If people were to buy an NX this fall; only for Nintendo to launch a follow up in 2019, well i think that could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
If I was Nintendo I wouldn't be launching a console now. I'd plan a launch of a new system for fall 2018; I'd make it the best it can be and I'd give developers the time to make the best launch line up ever known to man. I'd grab the market before Sony and Microsoft even get to announce their new consoles. I'm sure 3DS and mobile could keep them afloat until then. Obviously that isn't happening but that would probably have been the best plan.
That'd probably be the best move. Will they make the best move? I doubt it.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: rryan60462 on March 06, 2016, 08:30:10 pm
I for one do not understand why nintendo still exists. The Wii was a fantastic advance in video games yes, but since its launch, it seems like all they are doing is re-releasing old software and hardware over and over and over again. They have made so many bad choices that it amazes me that they are still around. I really wish they would just take a break on all of thier main franchises and create like 2-5 brand new ones that have good teams involved with them. And for the love of god get some THIRD PARTY SUPPORT!!! Would it kill them to not launch a system with a mario or zelda game haha.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on March 06, 2016, 08:38:04 pm
I for one do not understand why nintendo still exists. The Wii was a fantastic advance in video games yes, but since its launch, it seems like all they are doing is re-releasing old software and hardware over and over and over again. They have made so many bad choices that it amazes me that they are still around. I really wish they would just take a break on all of thier main franchises and create like 2-5 brand new ones that have good teams involved with them. And for the love of god get some THIRD PARTY SUPPORT!!! Would it kill them to not launch a system with a mario or zelda game haha.
Mario and Zelda are necessary to Nintendo's survival, not just new IP's. The Wii U hasn't even had it's Zelda yet and it's looking to get it the moment it is dead. The third party support issue came about because of the systems hardware not being up to snuff, meaning they couldn't port games over easily. The NX should remedy a lot of this and hopefully after successes like with Splatoon, we can see a few new interesting IP's show up.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: rryan60462 on March 06, 2016, 09:04:20 pm
I for one do not understand why nintendo still exists. The Wii was a fantastic advance in video games yes, but since its launch, it seems like all they are doing is re-releasing old software and hardware over and over and over again. They have made so many bad choices that it amazes me that they are still around. I really wish they would just take a break on all of thier main franchises and create like 2-5 brand new ones that have good teams involved with them. And for the love of god get some THIRD PARTY SUPPORT!!! Would it kill them to not launch a system with a mario or zelda game haha.
Mario and Zelda are necessary to Nintendo's survival, not just new IP's. The Wii U hasn't even had it's Zelda yet and it's looking to get it the moment it is dead. The third party support issue came about because of the systems hardware not being up to snuff, meaning they couldn't port games over easily. The NX should remedy a lot of this and hopefully after successes like with Splatoon, we can see a few new interesting IP's show up.
I agree with most of this. Don't get me wrong though, i dont hate nintendo, they are one of the greats. But they just make dumb choices imo. Just like sony with their damn handhelds. Very little support combined with proprietary memory cards that are crazy expensive can only equal failure. I'm just trying to say if they are gonna make a new mario, zelda, metroid, ect. make it right. Make it in todays standards, not just a shiny new version with some updated features. Incorporate online multiplayer in some way like other games and for the love of god change some of the stories haha.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on March 06, 2016, 09:47:55 pm
Splatoon was kind of a hit. It was a new IP.
I think some of the things you want have been addressed by the NX. They're trying to build 3rd party support. Hopefully they'll build a good online system. Why can't they just rip off Xbox Live? It's a really good example.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 07, 2016, 09:43:15 am
Mario and Zelda are necessary to Nintendo's survival, not just new IP's. The Wii U hasn't even had it's Zelda yet and it's looking to get it the moment it is dead. The third party support issue came about because of the systems hardware not being up to snuff, meaning they couldn't port games over easily. The NX should remedy a lot of this and hopefully after successes like with Splatoon, we can see a few new interesting IP's show up.
That's partially true. But many games were still made for the PS3 and 360 up until recently. The reason 3rd parties stopped or didn't even start releasing their games on the Wii U is simply because 3rd party games don't sell on the Wii U. It's been a progressive trend since the N64. Fewer and fewer publishers/developers take a chance on releasing their titles on Nintendo systems because they are seeing diminishing returns.
Nintendo planning to launch a new console three years into the current cycle is tantamount to retail suicide, especially with the PS4 selling as fantastically as it is.
I'll end up buying the NX or whatever because I do love Nintendo games. But let's be realistic..I"m going to put it out their right now. The NX will sell about the same as the Wii U, maybe a little better. And that's it. Nintendo hasn't learned from their past mistakes. Hell, they still can't even get their user accounts on the same page. I have to download my Super Smash Wii U characters, then enter a stupid code on the 3DS or vice versa to download them there! It's ridiculous. ::)
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: soera on March 07, 2016, 09:46:35 am
I hate to say it but what honestly should happen is that Nintendo and Microshaft should pair up. Nintendo can make the system and MS can make games. It would put some decently popular games on Nintendo's systems and it would get MS out of the console business and back into the software business.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on March 07, 2016, 09:48:20 am
Mario and Zelda are necessary to Nintendo's survival, not just new IP's. The Wii U hasn't even had it's Zelda yet and it's looking to get it the moment it is dead. The third party support issue came about because of the systems hardware not being up to snuff, meaning they couldn't port games over easily. The NX should remedy a lot of this and hopefully after successes like with Splatoon, we can see a few new interesting IP's show up.
That's partially true. But many games were still made for the PS3 and 360 up until recently. The reason 3rd parties stopped or didn't even start releasing their games on the Wii U is simply because 3rd party games don't sell on the Wii U. It's been a progressive trend since the N64. Fewer and fewer publishers/developers take a chance on releasing their titles on Nintendo systems because they are seeing diminishing returns.
Nintendo planning to launch a new console three years into the current cycle is tantamount to retail suicide, especially with the PS4 selling as fantastically as it is.
I'll end up buying the NX or whatever because I do love Nintendo games. But let's be realistic..I"m going to put it out their right now. The NX will sell about the same as the Wii U, maybe a little better. And that's it. Nintendo hasn't learned from their past mistakes. Hell, they still can't even get their user accounts on the same page. I have to download my Super Smash Wii U characters, then enter a stupid code on the 3DS or vice versa to download them there! It's ridiculous. ::)
That's most of it. The other part is the fact that, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, UE is not natively compatible with the Wii U, the folks working on the Bloodstained port are the first people to go all in on trying to get UE running on Wii U.
I'll just throw a similar situation in there. The Virtual boy was released before the N64, it failed so fast and so hard. Then they released the N64. At the time, folks were saying the same thing about Nintendo, talking about how stupid they were to make the [Wii U/Virtual Boy] and that they are going to go out of business doing this stuff like releasing a new console like [NX/N64] so soon. Will the NX turn things around and put them on top? Of course not, but it's a step in the right direction. Despite what Soera will say, the N64 definitely helped Nintendo recover after the Virtual Boy.
It is true though, Nintendo's hardware has been consistently behind the curve for the past 20 years. But despite what folks are saying, Nintendo is posting profits.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on March 07, 2016, 09:49:05 am
I think they finally have. That's a big reason that they aren't building an cheaper, under-powered machine this time around. They are also trying to woo third party support by making the system easier to develop for.
It may be their Dreamcast, but at least changes are coming.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on March 07, 2016, 10:02:18 am
I think they finally have. That's a big reason that they aren't building an cheaper, under-powered machine this time around. They are also trying to woo third party support by making the system easier to develop for.
It may be their Dreamcast, but at least changes are coming.
The NX would have to do really bad for it to be Nintendo's Dreamcast.
I think they finally have. That's a big reason that they aren't building an cheaper, under-powered machine this time around. They are also trying to woo third party support by making the system easier to develop for.
It may be their Dreamcast, but at least changes are coming.
I think the whole excuse that Nintendo makes under-powered hardware is ridiculous. That wasn't true until the Wii. The N64 - despite it's cartridge format with limited storage - had stronger and more advanced hardware than the PlayStation and Saturn. The Gamecube contained more powerful hardware than the PS2 and sported a lot of the same graphical effects as the Xbox. The SNES was also more powerful than the Genesis.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on March 07, 2016, 11:15:24 am
I think they finally have. That's a big reason that they aren't building an cheaper, under-powered machine this time around. They are also trying to woo third party support by making the system easier to develop for.
It may be their Dreamcast, but at least changes are coming.
I think the whole excuse that Nintendo makes under-powered hardware is ridiculous. That wasn't true until the Wii. The N64 - despite it's cartridge format with limited storage - had stronger and more advanced hardware than the PlayStation and Saturn. The Gamecube contained more powerful hardware than the PS2 and sported a lot of the same graphical effects as the Xbox. The SNES was also more powerful than the Genesis.
If I said under-powered I meant specifically they were behind in terms of media storage.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 07, 2016, 01:05:15 pm
I think they finally have. That's a big reason that they aren't building an cheaper, under-powered machine this time around. They are also trying to woo third party support by making the system easier to develop for.
It may be their Dreamcast, but at least changes are coming.
I think the whole excuse that Nintendo makes under-powered hardware is ridiculous. That wasn't true until the Wii. The N64 - despite it's cartridge format with limited storage - had stronger and more advanced hardware than the PlayStation and Saturn. The Gamecube contained more powerful hardware than the PS2 and sported a lot of the same graphical effects as the Xbox. The SNES was also more powerful than the Genesis.
If I said under-powered I meant specifically they were behind in terms of media storage.
In that case, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on March 07, 2016, 11:13:06 pm
All the handhelds are underpowered and use old tech. Gameboy all the way to the 3DS.
I don't think they'll go broke. I just meant they may bail on the system market.
SEGA didn't go broke, they bailed because they were losing so much money. Nintendo won't bail on the hardware market unless they start losing big money consistantly because of it.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 08, 2016, 11:01:30 am
I don't think they'll go broke. I just meant they may bail on the system market.
SEGA didn't go broke, they bailed because they were losing so much money. Nintendo won't bail on the hardware market unless they start losing big money consistantly because of it.
Well, those pesky shareholders may have something to say about it all. ;) But in all seriousness, Nintendo keeps lowering their sales forecasts and have actually taken a loss a few quarters now. That was unheard of even just a few short years ago. It doesn't matter how much money you have in your "war chest." When shareholders and executives see that money keeps getting scooped out and not replaced, even if it's just a little at a time, they will act to plug that proverbial leak.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on March 08, 2016, 11:13:00 am
I don't think they'll go broke. I just meant they may bail on the system market.
SEGA didn't go broke, they bailed because they were losing so much money. Nintendo won't bail on the hardware market unless they start losing big money consistantly because of it.
Well, those pesky shareholders may have something to say about it all. ;) But in all seriousness, Nintendo keeps lowering their sales forecasts and have actually taken a loss a few quarters now. That was unheard of even just a few short years ago. It doesn't matter how much money you have in your "war chest." When shareholders and executives see that money keeps getting scooped out and not replaced, even if it's just a little at a time, they will act to plug that proverbial leak.
Yes, and generally that leads to restaffing and changing management. Likely you'll see that before you'll see Nintendo leave the hardware market.
Around the time Sega left the hardware market they swapped heads of the company rather frequently, for various reasons.
Again, NX would have to fail pretty hard, Sega Saturn hard, to leave the hardware market.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 08, 2016, 11:36:11 am
Yes, and generally that leads to restaffing and changing management. Likely you'll see that before you'll see Nintendo leave the hardware market.
Around the time Sega left the hardware market they swapped heads of the company rather frequently, for various reasons.
Again, NX would have to fail pretty hard, Sega Saturn hard, to leave the hardware market.
LOL...the Wii U is so close to the Saturn's level of fail. Saturn sold around 10 million and Wii U is barely above 12 million in four years.
Yes, but Sega handled the Saturn worse than Nintendo is handling the Wii U. They burned way more bridges than Nintendo has.
Depends on what bridges. SEGA burned them with retailers, EA, and a few others I'm sure I'm missing. Nintendo continues to burn the third party bridges (always have). I feel SEGA always handled third party companies better.
Nintendo has always been able to survive because of its first party content. The big question I have is, how long will that last? Honestly, I don't play games the same way anymore. Games are bigger and take more time. It is easier to have 1 main game whether it is Minecraft, Warcraft, DOTA, call of duty etc. This is bad if you rely on software sales for one particular console.
Maybe the NX will be able to bring back that one major month of third party support the WiiU had with Mass Effect and Batman...
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on March 11, 2016, 08:51:56 am
Yes, and generally that leads to restaffing and changing management. Likely you'll see that before you'll see Nintendo leave the hardware market.
Around the time Sega left the hardware market they swapped heads of the company rather frequently, for various reasons.
Again, NX would have to fail pretty hard, Sega Saturn hard, to leave the hardware market.
LOL...the Wii U is so close to the Saturn's level of fail. Saturn sold around 10 million and Wii U is barely above 12 million in four years.
Yes, but Sega handled the Saturn worse than Nintendo is handling the Wii U. They burned way more bridges than Nintendo has.
Depends on what bridges. SEGA burned them with retailers, EA, and a few others I'm sure I'm missing. Nintendo continues to burn the third party bridges (always have). I feel SEGA always handled third party companies better.
Nintendo has always been able to survive because of its first party content. The big question I have is, how long will that last? Honestly, I don't play games the same way anymore. Games are bigger and take more time. It is easier to have 1 main game whether it is Minecraft, Warcraft, DOTA, call of duty etc. This is bad if you rely on software sales for one particular console.
Maybe the NX will be able to bring back that one major month of third party support the WiiU had with Mass Effect and Batman...
Nintendo only had issues with Amazon retailer wise, and they seem to be better because Amazon is now selling Nintendo hardware again. Nintendo didn't burn any bridges with third party companies with the Wii U, 3rd party companies decided it wasn't worth it to port to Wii U. That's not really burning a bridge. Sega burned a lot of bridges with 3rd party developers with the Saturn, none of the developers knew the release date or were given dev kits early enough to get software out for launch, hence why the Saturn had such shit 3rd party launch support. The fact that a lot of 3rd party companies are looking at the NX and think it looks promising proves that Nintendo is not "always" burning third party bridges. Sega's third party support was so bad early on that several companies went and reverse engineered the Genesis so they didn't have to deal with Sega's ridiculous 3rd party restrictions. Nintendo hasn't had that issue since the NES.
Don't fully understand your point on the second part, but yes, 3rd party support is crucial to be the best console in a generation (Like PS2 dominated in its generation)
I don't think that's the best analogy, Mass Effect and Batman were really poor ports and neither sold very well on the Wii U. Probably the exact reason EA stopped producing content for Wii U. I think WB produced more games and might still with Scribblenauts and what not. Nintendo's current 3rd party support is almost non-existent, but WB and Ubisoft supported the Wii U for quite some time. IMO, Nintendo's strongest trait this generation is their indie support, which is kind of hindered by their inferior DRM. Both Xbox and Playstation have higher restrictions and longer processes than the Wii U in terms of producing and publishing digital titles.
I applied to be an indie developer on all 3 platforms to publish a game. Sony wouldn't talk to me, literally, they didn't respond to my request at all. Microsoft accepted me into their program but told me they wouldn't sell me a dev kit until I published a game or launched a successful kickstarter... they may have had a 3rd method they would be willing to sell me a dev kit, but I don't recall... responses only through email, I still get ID@XBOX emails but they never got back to me on buying a dev kit. Nintendo actually called me on the phone and spoke with me for about an hour to get to know me and my project, said they would be sending me an email to access their developer network with access to the tools and such, and that if I wanted to order a devkit that I could contact their sales department (probably not called sales department, I can't recall what they called it) and they could give me more information about pricing and such, as well they were willing to send me one for free on a probationary basis.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 11, 2016, 10:16:39 am
I don't think that's the best analogy, Mass Effect and Batman were really poor ports and neither sold very well on the Wii U. Probably the exact reason EA stopped producing content for Wii U.
Actually, the 3rd party games that arrived early on the Wii U were good quality. The problem was that games like Mass Effect 3 and Arkham City arrived six months to a year late on the Wii U. And whereas these titles were selling for around $30 each on the PS3 and 360, the Wii U versions were $60/full retail. Same goes for Need for Speed, Call of Duty and all the other 3rd party games that appeared at the beginning. Well, of course you are going to sell these old games for top dollar when the same game on a competing system is half the price. So, they didn't sell and 3rd parties stopped making Wii U software. It was both Nintendo's and the 3rd parties fault.
Now Nintendo is going to launch the NX (presumably) this year when the two competing systems have been on the market for three years. Nintendo is not going to capture or convert PS4 and Xbox One users. They may sell some NX systems as a secondary console to the PS4 and 'bone, but there isn't this pool of gamers out there waiting in the wings for Nintendo's new system to jump ship. At best, they may get the 12 million or so Wii U users to buy an NX and again-PS4 and Xbox One owners to pick one up as a supplementary system on the side.
I'm not trying to be an armchair analyst, but I don't think the NX has a snowball's chance in hell of making it big in today's market.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on March 11, 2016, 10:20:07 am
I don't think that's the best analogy, Mass Effect and Batman were really poor ports and neither sold very well on the Wii U. Probably the exact reason EA stopped producing content for Wii U.
Actually, the 3rd party games that arrived early on the Wii U were good quality. The problem was that games like Mass Effect 3 and Arkham City arrived six months to a year late on the Wii U. And whereas these titles were selling for around $30 each on the PS3 and 360, the Wii U versions were $60/full retail. Same goes for Need for Speed, Call of Duty and all the other 3rd party games that appeared at the beginning. Well, of course you are going to sell these old games for top dollar when the same game on a competing system is half the price. So, they didn't sell and 3rd parties stopped making Wii U software. It was both Nintendo's and the 3rd parties fault.
Now Nintendo is going to launch the NX (presumably) this year when the two competing systems have been on the market for three years. Nintendo is not going to capture or convert PS4 and Xbox One users. They may sell some NX systems as a secondary console to the PS4 and 'bone, but there isn't this pool of gamers out there waiting in the wings for Nintendo's new system to jump ship. At best, they may get the 12 million or so Wii U users to buy an NX and again-PS4 and Xbox One owners to pick one up as a supplementary system on the side.
I'm not trying to be an armchair analyst, but I don't think the NX has a snowball's chance in hell of making it big in today's market.
Maybe, but I don't think NX has released official specs yet, and I know I'm on the fence between PS4/X1, so Nintendo could steal it for me. If they can for sure have a console that can compete specs wise, I'd probably buy my games for NX over PS4/X1, but that goes towards my Nintendo nostalgia bias.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on March 18, 2016, 04:54:51 pm
OMG, that is one ugly hunk of plastic. I hope this rumor isn't true.
Nintendo seriously needs to stop with the gimmicks. Just give us a good, solid console with great Nintendo exclusives, and third-party support. It seems simple enough. Hasn't Nintendo learned from past mistakes?!
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on March 19, 2016, 12:47:22 am
It's already been said to be faked, at least by one prominent artist who faked the Rayman in Smash Bros thing awhile back. Says the "photoshop test" method isn't reliable and that the picture has issues if it was meant to be a real picture. Plus it doesn't have the hand grips the original concept art showed, since this by itself is a terrible controller design.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: soera on March 19, 2016, 01:35:42 am
Regardless if its fake or not, I can only imagine that there is going to be some weird gimmicky thing on the NX. I am hoping that this next one is just a standard ass console with some serious firepower. Otherwise, I dont see me picking it up within the first couple of years. I didnt really plan to get a Wii U but when they announced Mario Kart 8, my daughter had to have one. Pair that with the fact that a pawn store around us really didnt know what they had and we kind of made out pretty good.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on March 19, 2016, 05:48:31 am
It's hard to say. They have to know that a new gimmick is gonna be a tough sell after the Wii U debacle, so whatever they have to do has to be something they can show as being incredibly useful. I hated the wiimote, but they justified it's existence enough to make it marketable and interesting to people and I feel that's what they have to do now. More screen shenanigans, like the patent thing they came up with would most likely be a bad idea.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: fighterpilot562 on March 19, 2016, 09:26:36 am
OMG, that is one ugly hunk of plastic. I hope this rumor isn't true.
Nintendo seriously needs to stop with the gimmicks. Just give us a good, solid console with great Nintendo exclusives, and third-party support. It seems simple enough. Hasn't Nintendo learned from past mistakes?!
yea when i saw this yesterday, i saw like, please be a horrible joke/prank/troll attempt.... cause i would be pissed if this thing is real..... I mean, it took me forever to buy a wii and wii u cause i didnt like the wiimote and was unsure about the wii u gamepad. but this..... p-lease njo
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: badATchaos on March 19, 2016, 12:56:10 pm
nipples
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: redblaze57 on March 22, 2016, 12:54:28 pm
Speaking of Nintendo patents these are fairly interesting http://nintendoinquirer.com/blog/2016/03/22/peculiar-patent-history-nintendo/
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 24, 2016, 11:28:17 am
More NX photos popping up. I think this is the real deal guys.
(http://i.imgur.com/pkfWmFK.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: abe on March 24, 2016, 12:28:13 pm
More NX photos popping up. I think this is the real deal guys.
(http://i.imgur.com/pkfWmFK.jpg)
Real deal devkit or prototype maybe. Let's hope things change before the final release and it gets real buttons. The WiiU game pad originally had slide pads like the 3DS instead of the real control sticks in the final version. I want to believe that they'll change things, but who knows? ???
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: redblaze57 on March 24, 2016, 08:15:31 pm
First image is confirmed to be Fake http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/leaked-nx-controller-confirmed-fake-by-creator/
the more Clearer ones are also very likely. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeWkYiMUIAApasg.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: badATchaos on March 24, 2016, 09:56:31 pm
looks like a surfboard
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on March 24, 2016, 10:47:56 pm
Glad to see it was a fake, because it's such a terrible design. Not against its concept, but I imagine something like this would be extra expensive controller and I don't know if they can get away with that when trying to compete with Xbox and Sony.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: abe on March 25, 2016, 11:01:27 am
What a relief. :'( I hope Nintendo will reveal the real thing some time soon in a Nintendo Direct. I really don't want to have to wait for E3 to hear any official news on the NX, if they even reveal it then.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on March 25, 2016, 11:03:23 am
This is why we need EGM back. I remember they leaked news about the Ultra 64 (N64), Katana (Dreamcast), and Dolphin (GameCube) long before anyone else got the news.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 25, 2016, 12:30:11 pm
This is why we need EGM back. I remember they leaked news about the Ultra 64 (N64), Katana (Dreamcast), and Dolphin (GameCube) long before anyone else got the news.
EGM is still around. Now it just sucks more and is even more irrelevant. You can find the Quarterman column with rumors and gossip in every issue of Walmart Game Center.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on March 25, 2016, 01:34:01 pm
That last EGM magazine I saw was the 2016 game preview issue. I haven't seen a monthly issue all year long.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on March 25, 2016, 01:53:17 pm
That last EGM magazine I saw was the 2016 game preview issue. I haven't seen a monthly issue all year long.
Hmmm....You may be right as I haven't looked for the last few months. They may have folded up again and are just doing the Walmart Game Center magazine now.
But in any event, the Quarterman column is in the Walmart rag now. EGM hasn't been worth a crap or relevant since several years before they folded up and went kaput the first time. Video game magazines are more nostalgia now for most people as information is disseminated online now within seconds. There is no need to wait for a monthly magazine to get your gaming news.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on March 25, 2016, 06:15:44 pm
Both controller leaks were confirmed to be hoaxes. I really hope we get a tease before E3. Maybe announce the most basic idea for it, like give the name, maybe a teasing glance of the system, or hint at it's hardware features, and then plan the big reveal in June.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on March 25, 2016, 09:13:06 pm
Thank God.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 08, 2016, 12:01:53 pm
A fun little bit of Zelda rumor, in that it is looking more likely to be a dual release like Twilight Princess. Along with that, there's talk of Link being either Male or Female by choice, and finally that voice acting will be properly in the game, but Link kept silent, which is a smart combination, because then it just means they don't have to record the script twice with two different genders. This is all very likely stuff and I think Linkle garnering a fanbase might have helped with the gender option perhaps. I'd actually love this option, because I would play as one gender first and then another playthrough I'd switch and freshen up those "YAH!'s" abit lol
Hmmm. Which version will be better? The last time this happened with Twilight Princess, the GameCube version was actually the more sought-after one.
better will be whichever controller feels more comfortable to you. but as for sought after goes it will probably be NX will be the most sought after for a few months- half a year or so because everyone will be slowly upgrading to the nx but as for long term I can guarantee that the Wii U version will hold out as most expensive.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: soera on April 08, 2016, 01:33:47 pm
Hmmm. Which version will be better? The last time this happened with Twilight Princess, the GameCube version was actually the more sought-after one.
The GC version was preferred cause of the lack of motion controls and playable on both systems.
I know, which is why I'm wondering. Who knows what Nintendo will unleash on us, next. While those last controller leaks turned out to be fakes, the patents filed for the controllers still look similar to the leaked controllers.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 27, 2016, 03:19:29 am
The system is now confirmed for a March 17 2017 global release.
JUST as I was typing out more about the lookout for the rest of the year for Nintendo, such as Zelda NEEDING to come out this year, it's been confirmed to be delayed to 2017, all but guaranteeing a twin release on the NX and Wii U. I'm surprised. It's gonna miss the 30th anniversary of Zelda which is kinda of a small disappointment in that regard. Man, this is gonna be a boring year for Nintendo with how little is coming out for either handheld or Wii U.
Nintendo is also making this E3 focused on the new Zelda, I imagine giving us the full reveal on gameplay, it's name, and all the goodies we've been waiting for, but won't be detailing the NX at all. That's a weird choice, though I feel like they'd at least reveal something...at least the name of it at the very end of the event to say that'll it'll release both on Wii U and whatever the NX will be called.
And just to add, here's abit of new art for Zelda that seems to confirm his blue look we saw from before and some sort of book that I'm guessing is the hook of the story perhaps? I like it, I just turned it into a really awesome background I found for the new Zelda lol
(http://i.imgur.com/WOOQ7P6.png)
Things continue to get weirder, Zelda is not only the focus for E3 in terms of their Direct, but it'll be the only game available on the floor. I mean, they are only going to promote a game that won't release this year? What about Tokyo Mirage Sessions? Pokemon? That Kirby game? Paper Mario? It's not like they have many games releasing this year. I know they'll have big reveals elsewhere on their own time, but E3 is still kind of a good way to lay out the rest of the year for everyone.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: weirdfeline on April 27, 2016, 07:55:24 am
Nintendo just taking a year off.. totally normal thing for a company to do..
Who's ready for Nintendo to go full SEGA in 2018?
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on April 27, 2016, 08:08:47 am
JUST as I was typing out more about the lookout for the rest of the year for Nintendo, such as Zelda NEEDING to come out this year, it's been confirmed to be delayed to 2017, all but guaranteeing a twin release on the NX and Wii U. I'm surprised. It's gonna miss the 30th anniversary of Zelda which is kinda of a small disappointment in that regard. Man, this is gonna be a boring year for Nintendo with how little is coming out for either handheld or Wii U.
Nintendo is also making this E3 focused on the new Zelda, I imagine giving us the full reveal on gameplay, it's name, and all the goodies we've been waiting for, but won't be detailing the NX at all. That's a weird choice, though I feel like they'd at least reveal something...at least the name of it at the very end of the event to say that'll it'll release both on Wii U and whatever the NX will be called.
And just to add, here's abit of new art for Zelda that seems to confirm his blue look we saw from before and some sort of book that I'm guessing is the hook of the story perhaps? I like it, I just turned it into a really awesome background I found for the new Zelda lol
(http://i.imgur.com/WOOQ7P6.png)
Things continue to get weirder, Zelda is not only the focus for E3 in terms of their Direct, but it'll be the only game available on the floor. I mean, they are only going to promote a game that won't release this year? What about Tokyo Mirage Sessions? Pokemon? That Kirby game? Paper Mario? It's not like they have many games releasing this year. I know they'll have big reveals elsewhere on their own time, but E3 is still kind of a good way to lay out the rest of the year for everyone.
Everything I'm hearing about Nintendo (Except that the NX releases in March 2017 and that there will be new smartphone apps featuring Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem) is coming from WSJ, and those are the folks who claimed NX was coming out this year, Nintendo will no longer support the Wii U/3DS, and other erroneous bs. So I say take anything WSJ says with a metric ton of salt.
I find it super hard to believe that they won't have any other games at E3. I guarantee you they will do the E3 fest at BB again, and they will have the same games at E3 at BB... TMS (just now noticing that is SMT backwards), Kirby Robobot, Zelda Wii U/NX (if really playable), and maybe Paper Mario or something else, honestly probably a second 3DS title.
Last year, they made a big deal about Star Fox Zero, and having the cool simulator like demos, but they still had other games playable, like Super Mario Maker and Tri Force Heroes.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on April 27, 2016, 09:26:19 am
Nintendo continues their slide toward irrelevance. The Wii U is devoid of any upcoming 3rd party releases and there are less than a half-dozen Nintendo games coming out this year for it. Less when you consider Zelda slipping into 2017.
Regardless if the NX ships this year or next, Nintendo is making the same mistakes over and over again by releasing the console midway through the competition's lifecycle. And now they delay their one big game.
At this point, it doesn't matter. The Nintendo-faithful will wait for Zelda and everyone else will ignore it's release. It won't sway gamers to the NX.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on April 27, 2016, 12:42:24 pm
So Nintendo is actually going to be at E3 this year?
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: karyann on April 27, 2016, 12:53:24 pm
So Nintendo is actually going to be at E3 this year?
They are at E3 every year, but they didn't do live presentations in the last two years. They replaced them with direct-like videos, but they've been on E3's floors with games to try and so forth.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: fighterpilot562 on April 27, 2016, 01:04:09 pm
JUST as I was typing out more about the lookout for the rest of the year for Nintendo, such as Zelda NEEDING to come out this year, it's been confirmed to be delayed to 2017, all but guaranteeing a twin release on the NX and Wii U. I'm surprised. It's gonna miss the 30th anniversary of Zelda which is kinda of a small disappointment in that regard. Man, this is gonna be a boring year for Nintendo with how little is coming out for either handheld or Wii U.
Nintendo is also making this E3 focused on the new Zelda, I imagine giving us the full reveal on gameplay, it's name, and all the goodies we've been waiting for, but won't be detailing the NX at all. That's a weird choice, though I feel like they'd at least reveal something...at least the name of it at the very end of the event to say that'll it'll release both on Wii U and whatever the NX will be called.
And just to add, here's abit of new art for Zelda that seems to confirm his blue look we saw from before and some sort of book that I'm guessing is the hook of the story perhaps? I like it, I just turned it into a really awesome background I found for the new Zelda lol
(http://i.imgur.com/WOOQ7P6.png)
Things continue to get weirder, Zelda is not only the focus for E3 in terms of their Direct, but it'll be the only game available on the floor. I mean, they are only going to promote a game that won't release this year? What about Tokyo Mirage Sessions? Pokemon? That Kirby game? Paper Mario? It's not like they have many games releasing this year. I know they'll have big reveals elsewhere on their own time, but E3 is still kind of a good way to lay out the rest of the year for everyone.
We might cover this next tuesday on the show, open invite to anyone whjo wants to come on and rant about it
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on April 27, 2016, 03:00:43 pm
Wow. Nintendo is failing, hard, and I'm a Wii U and 3DS owner and I'm saying this. Nintendo REALLY needed this Zelda game to come out this year. Their momentum is dropping quickly.
I mean there are like zero third-party games coming out this year for Wii U. And barely any Nintendo-games even. And giving us Pokemon Picross for free, really doesn't help things.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: desocietas on April 27, 2016, 03:02:12 pm
If anything, Nintendo announced a Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing app ::)
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 27, 2016, 03:32:57 pm
It's a mixture of feelings, where of course they have to make the big push for the NX and drop the Wii U, but as it is, I was still hoping for one last pop for the Wii U this holiday season that apparently we just aren't going to get. The only major release this year is Pokemon and that's a 3DS release. I don't think I'd consider Paper Mario or Tokyo Mirage Sessions as big releases at all and those are the only two kinda significant Wii U releases coming out this year.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on April 27, 2016, 03:42:07 pm
Nintendo is just completely out of touch. They make stupid decisions and then act bullish about it when the fans express their feelings. Like the stupid Metroid multiplayer game. That is exactly not what the fans wanted and Reggie acted like it was an overreaction. They make Amiibo's which fall into the huge "toys-to-life" genre that basically prints money, then they don't make a "real" game specifically to take advantage of them. A Disney Infinity-style sandbox game with a dedicated portal would sell like gangbusters but Nintendo just carries on down their own weird path.
The decision to delay Zelda which is pretty much their sole big title for 2016 is ridiculous. Not so much because they delayed the game yet again which is annoying by itself, but because they have a year bereft of releases to begin with!
How does Nintendo think they are going to grow their audience when they can't even manage to keep their exisiting fanbase engaged? If they expect the NX to be a big success, where is the momentum going into it? They are at their lowest point sales-wise and fan-wise right now. Are people with Wii U's collecting dust from lack of games to play going to wait another year with nothing in the interim to play or are they going to buy a PS4 or Xbox One? NX will almost assuredly be more expensive than either of those two consoles when it releases. How much backing will 3rd parties - burned by poor sales of previous games on Nintendo consoles - pour into the NX with no install base and a proven track record of poor game sales for them? Not to mention in this connected age of gaming, the multiplayer games will be a lot more active on the PS4 and 'bone with an estimated combined install base of nearly 100 million by the time the NX releases.
I just don't get Nintendo's logic and apparently I have a lot of company since in three and a half years, Nintendo hasn't even sold 13 million Wii U consoles! With budgets and the economy being what it is, I have less and less disposable income for things like gaming. Since the N64 on, I have bought Nintendo consoles knowing there would not be a lot of games to play on them. I accepted that. But with that budget tightening, I have to seriously consider throwing away money on yet another Nintendo system - the fifth in this trend - solely to play a handful of exclusives.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: soera on April 27, 2016, 03:50:34 pm
Unless something major is announced/changes, Im done with Nintendo systems after DQ VII/VIII come out. In the last year, I have bought 1 game for the Wii U (Xenoblade X) and less than a dozen games for my 3DS. Im still kind of on the hype train for the upcoming Zelda title but I cant imagine they are going to do anything to pull back the fans that are on the fence or have already jumped off.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: desocietas on April 27, 2016, 04:31:53 pm
Just saw this on Nintendo's site:
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NX will not make an appearance at the upcoming E3 video game trade show in Los Angeles in June and will be unveiled later this year.
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E3: Nintendo changes its approach to the show every year. This June, Nintendo will focus its attentions on the upcoming game in The Legend of Zelda franchise. The Wii U version of the game will be playable for the first time on the E3 show floor, and it will be the only playable game Nintendo presents at the show, in order to provide attendees a complete immersion. Additional information about Nintendo’s E3 plans will be announced in the future.
A shame that they won't be showing anything else. I guess they figure that they don't need to bother with trying to hype up anything for the holiday season.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: mrfoxhound on April 27, 2016, 04:34:49 pm
I wish they'd just tell us if the console is digital only or not. It would be nice to plan out my shelving ahead of time. No one seems to be happy with Nintendo right now. They give us a relatively close release date and nothing more. No photos, footage, information, nothing.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on April 27, 2016, 04:35:23 pm
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in order to provide attendees a complete immersion.
lol! Because someone else, playing a different game than you, on a different screen, somehow screws with your sense of immersion.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 27, 2016, 04:47:12 pm
Hard to get behind Nintendo on any of this. Just disappointing really. I'm fine with their Direct focusing on Zelda, but their E3 booth should be actively promoting every significant game they have coming up since it's the last for the Wii U and perhaps even the 3DS as we don't know the whole plan for the NX. I'm excited for all the new gameplay and information from Zelda, but I'd also like to see more about the games releasing this year for the Wii U. As it is, I'm only really interested in getting Tokyo Mirage Sessions and that's out in June. There's another half a year left.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: fighterpilot562 on April 27, 2016, 05:07:14 pm
I wish they'd just tell us if the console is digital only or not. It would be nice to plan out my shelving ahead of time. No one seems to be happy with Nintendo right now. They give us a relatively close release date and nothing more. No photos, footage, information, nothing.
Well if it is digital only, i wont be buying haha
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 27, 2016, 05:49:19 pm
I really don't think they'll go digital only. Their digital sales are up, but I feel like they know it can't happen yet. I'm just curious if they'll utilize a new format or not. I thought I had remembered it being a rumor coming up at some point that they would be utilizing a new cartridge format, but that might just be in my dreams of having more cartridges again compared to discs lol
Wait, we've all been wrong about this...I get what Nintendo is doing for this year.
(http://i.imgflip.com/1378mc.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: weirdfeline on April 27, 2016, 08:03:56 pm
JUST as I was typing out more about the lookout for the rest of the year for Nintendo, such as Zelda NEEDING to come out this year, it's been confirmed to be delayed to 2017, all but guaranteeing a twin release on the NX and Wii U. I'm surprised. It's gonna miss the 30th anniversary of Zelda which is kinda of a small disappointment in that regard. Man, this is gonna be a boring year for Nintendo with how little is coming out for either handheld or Wii U.
Nintendo is also making this E3 focused on the new Zelda, I imagine giving us the full reveal on gameplay, it's name, and all the goodies we've been waiting for, but won't be detailing the NX at all. That's a weird choice, though I feel like they'd at least reveal something...at least the name of it at the very end of the event to say that'll it'll release both on Wii U and whatever the NX will be called.
And just to add, here's abit of new art for Zelda that seems to confirm his blue look we saw from before and some sort of book that I'm guessing is the hook of the story perhaps? I like it, I just turned it into a really awesome background I found for the new Zelda lol
(http://i.imgur.com/WOOQ7P6.png)
Things continue to get weirder, Zelda is not only the focus for E3 in terms of their Direct, but it'll be the only game available on the floor. I mean, they are only going to promote a game that won't release this year? What about Tokyo Mirage Sessions? Pokemon? That Kirby game? Paper Mario? It's not like they have many games releasing this year. I know they'll have big reveals elsewhere on their own time, but E3 is still kind of a good way to lay out the rest of the year for everyone.
Everything I'm hearing about Nintendo (Except that the NX releases in March 2017 and that there will be new smartphone apps featuring Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem) is coming from WSJ, and those are the folks who claimed NX was coming out this year, Nintendo will no longer support the Wii U/3DS, and other erroneous bs. So I say take anything WSJ says with a metric ton of salt.
I find it super hard to believe that they won't have any other games at E3. I guarantee you they will do the E3 fest at BB again, and they will have the same games at E3 at BB... TMS (just now noticing that is SMT backwards), Kirby Robobot, Zelda Wii U/NX (if really playable), and maybe Paper Mario or something else, honestly probably a second 3DS title.
Last year, they made a big deal about Star Fox Zero, and having the cool simulator like demos, but they still had other games playable, like Super Mario Maker and Tri Force Heroes.
::)
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: redblaze57 on April 27, 2016, 09:01:48 pm
Physical games yes the Wii U has dried up the only ones I can think of that I'm looking forward that have been announced are these Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Paper Mario Color Splash ...maybe Mighty Number 9
other than that I know it doesn't matter in the end because this is a personal list, but I got 4 more Physical games I still want to pick up so I know I'm good as far as Wii U games go
digital side there are still a good Handful of games coming out on the eShop mainly indies and VC Axiom Verge Lost Reavers Armikrog Pokemon Snap Xenoblade Chronicles etc...
as for Zelda getting delayed to have a simultaneous launch on Wii U and NX, I'm fine with that as long as the Wii U version isn't delayed to come out after the NX Version. Like Twilight Princess on the Gamecube. Also like ctracy87 said I find it hard to believe they're only going to have Zelda on the floor @E3. only the Wii U version of Zelda I can understand because it's gotta be much more nearing Completion.
Release Launch window I actually think is very intriguing because that's during Tax Season. I can see AS LONG AS IT HAS A GOOD LAUNCH WINDOW people using there tax return to get one. Will I again depends on the launch window if I by one at Launch or later.
My only fear really comes from Third parties. I don't want to see gimped version of Multi-platform releases, or games released half a year ago at a full $60 price tags, then have them complain about low sales for those games, and pull support because of that.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on April 27, 2016, 09:39:11 pm
Physical games yes the Wii U has dried up the only ones I can think of that I'm looking forward that have been announced are these Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Paper Mario Color Splash ...maybe Mighty Number 9
other than that I know it doesn't matter in the end because this is a personal list, but I got 4 more Physical games I still want to pick up so I know I'm good as far as Wii U games go
digital side there are still a good Handful of games coming out on the eShop mainly indies and VC Axiom Verge Lost Reavers Armikrog Pokemon Snap Xenoblade Chronicles etc...
as for Zelda getting delayed to have a simultaneous launch on Wii U and NX, I'm fine with that as long as the Wii U version isn't delayed to come out after the NX Version. Like Twilight Princess on the Gamecube. Also like ctracy87 said I find it hard to believe they're only going to have Zelda on the floor @E3. only the Wii U version of Zelda I can understand because it's gotta be much more nearing Completion.
Release Launch window I actually think is very intriguing because that's during Tax Season. I can see AS LONG AS IT HAS A GOOD LAUNCH WINDOW people using there tax return to get one. Will I again depends on the launch window if I by one at Launch or later.
My only fear really comes from Third parties. I don't want to see gimped version of Multi-platform releases, or games released half a year ago at a full $60 price tags, then have them complain about low sales for those games, and pull support because of that.
I think that's a solid sentiment. The industry used to think games only sold during holiday season, then they realized that they could release games at any time of year and people would still buy up, with minor exceptions maybe. I know that I plan on using my tax return to pay for my NX.
As for E3, Nintendo I think usually does some stuff off site as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if there is a pop up Nintendo thing at a nearby hotel with upcoming games like TMS, Kirby, etc. Same thing will probably show up at Best Buy. Plus, just because they aren't showing something on the show floor doesn't mean they won't be covering it in their Treehouse.
As a side note, I've been waiting for Nintendo to announce a new Pokemon Snap for Wii U... it seems kind of obvious, no?
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: bikingjahuty on April 28, 2016, 11:23:49 pm
If Nintendo is smart, they will release a console that has no gimmicks (motion controls, touch controls, strange controllers) and just a solid, high performance console that is easy to develop for. They arguably have the best exclusive IPs of any company in the industry and that alone would carry them and make them the console of choice for many on the fence about which console to purchase.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on April 29, 2016, 04:48:36 am
Nintendo needs a solid launch line up.
Zelda NX is a solid start, however with it also being on Wii-U; they need more.
I feel they should launch with a port of Smash Bros. and a new 3D Mario game as well in terms of first party.
And on the third party front. Mass Effect Andromeda will be out around that time, so that would be a good start. But also albeit delayed; ports of Final Fantasy XV, Call of Duty: Infinite War and all the sports titles.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: weirdfeline on April 29, 2016, 05:51:53 am
Nintendo needs to get out of the hardware business. Go make excellent games for PlayStation, PC, Xbox and mobile.
Nintendo is already dominating mobile with their first attempt. Bring casual stuff like Brain Age to mobile and rake in the dough.
Bring your big games to PlayStation, PC and Xbox and make huge software profits and regain your old audience as well as new audiences.
Make a real Amiibo game and become the definitive leader in Toys to Life.
The gaming industry has pretty much decided that gimmicks are no longer interesting so Nintendo has no reason to make their own hardware.
I really wish they would be smart and stop making hardware.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: redblaze57 on April 29, 2016, 06:40:47 am
The gaming industry has pretty much decided that gimmicks are no longer interesting so Nintendo has no reason to make their own hardware.
2 letters debunk this VR
Not to mention they lead the way on a lot of industry standards D-pad Shoulder Buttons Rumble Hell even motion controls.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on April 29, 2016, 09:28:46 am
For me, the hardware Nintendo makes is a "barrier to entry." That being I would gladly buy new Nintendo-made games, but I unfortunately have to buy specialized hardware to play them on. So I have to factor in the cost of the hardware for the handful of games I want that are exclusive to the Nintendo platform.
So if there are six games for the NX I will definitely buy, I have to add the cost of the system to each one. So say the NX would cost $300, that means each $60 game would in reality be a $110 investment for me. If Nintendo would just put their games on the PS4, I would gladly buy them. As it stands with finances and the economy being what they are, the NX is a no-go for me.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on April 29, 2016, 10:24:11 am
For me, the hardware Nintendo makes is a "barrier to entry." That being I would gladly buy new Nintendo-made games, but I unfortunately have to buy specialized hardware to play them on. So I have to factor in the cost of the hardware for the handful of games I want that are exclusive to the Nintendo platform.
So if there are six games for the NX I will definitely buy, I have to add the cost of the system to each one. So say the NX would cost $300, that means each $60 game would in reality be a $110 investment for me. If Nintendo would just put their games on the PS4, I would gladly buy them. As it stands with finances and the economy being what they are, the NX is a no-go for me.
$300? I'd say $400 at least.
Say someone told you the NX will have 20 great exclusives that you'd want to buy. Would that make it worth your while?
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on April 29, 2016, 11:03:41 am
Say someone told you the NX will have 20 great exclusives that you'd want to buy. Would that make it worth your while?
I was just throwing a number out there for the price. I'm sure it will be more than $300 at launch. Would 20 games make it worth my time to buy the system? I don't know. Would they be spaced out over 4-5 years like Nintendo has a proven track record of doing? It's still a rather large investment considering my PS4 provides 20 games in a single year that I find it worthwhile to play. My PS4 also doubles as a Blu-Ray player and it has a large installed base. That means lots of people to play with online.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on April 29, 2016, 11:33:12 am
Allegedly Nintendo has changed their development methods so that they can crank out better games faster. Generally I refer to CoD and Assassins Creed when companies talk about these things, but who knows.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: fighterpilot562 on April 29, 2016, 11:59:42 am
So i decided, f it, ill start saving up for it now, and once E3 happens and if it looks decent, ill buy it. but if it sucks, well i saved up money and can go buy something else, maybe something awesome that appeared at E3
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on April 29, 2016, 12:17:56 pm
So i decided, f it, ill start saving up for it now, and once E3 happens and if it looks decent, ill buy it. but if it sucks, well i saved up money and can go buy something else, maybe something awesome that appeared at E3
I wonder if they will even show anything about the NX at E3 this year.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: desocietas on April 29, 2016, 12:35:27 pm
So i decided, f it, ill start saving up for it now, and once E3 happens and if it looks decent, ill buy it. but if it sucks, well i saved up money and can go buy something else, maybe something awesome that appeared at E3
I wonder if they will even show anything about the NX at E3 this year.
Most likely not. They've already stated that it won't make an appearance at E3, but who knows, they might still talk about it but not show it.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on April 29, 2016, 12:46:38 pm
So i decided, f it, ill start saving up for it now, and once E3 happens and if it looks decent, ill buy it. but if it sucks, well i saved up money and can go buy something else, maybe something awesome that appeared at E3
I wonder if they will even show anything about the NX at E3 this year.
Most likely not. They've already stated that it won't make an appearance at E3, but who knows, they might still talk about it but not show it.
really? damn.....
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on April 29, 2016, 01:39:20 pm
So i decided, f it, ill start saving up for it now, and once E3 happens and if it looks decent, ill buy it. but if it sucks, well i saved up money and can go buy something else, maybe something awesome that appeared at E3
I wonder if they will even show anything about the NX at E3 this year.
Nope. They already said they won't be mentioning it again until later in the year.
My guess is somewhere between September and November they'll do a massive direct to unveil it and some of the launch games, to build hype.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: soera on April 29, 2016, 01:45:05 pm
I dont think there is going to be anywhere close to the titles on it that would make me buy it. I actually regret buying the Wii U. The only thing it does in my house now is work as an additional youtube channel screen for my little ones to watch Minecraft playing.
I think the absolute only thing that will change my mind is a new "real" Metroid game.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on April 29, 2016, 01:57:58 pm
I dont think there is going to be anywhere close to the titles on it that would make me buy it. I actually regret buying the Wii U. The only thing it does in my house now is work as an additional youtube channel screen for my little ones to watch Minecraft playing.
I think the absolute only thing that will change my mind is a new "real" Metroid game.
Sigh....I still wonder what happened. The SNES was a cornucopia of fantastic titles and Nintendo branched out with new franchises in various genres. They even published great Enix games like Illusion of Gaia. Super Metroid was one of the most incredible games I have ever played. I replayed that game over and over again because it was just so....perfect.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on April 29, 2016, 02:24:45 pm
I dont think there is going to be anywhere close to the titles on it that would make me buy it. I actually regret buying the Wii U. The only thing it does in my house now is work as an additional youtube channel screen for my little ones to watch Minecraft playing.
I think the absolute only thing that will change my mind is a new "real" Metroid game.
Sigh....I still wonder what happened. The SNES was a cornucopia of fantastic titles and Nintendo branched out with new franchises in various genres. They even published great Enix games like Illusion of Gaia. Super Metroid was one of the most incredible games I have ever played. I replayed that game over and over again because it was just so....perfect.
Sony happened. Sony were just better.
Nintendo made a lot of bad decisions; N64 - carts. GameCube - Proprietary optical media. Wii U - Weak. Casual console.
However regardless; I still think Sony would still be king today; as they were just more of a forward thinking company.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on April 29, 2016, 02:31:31 pm
Nintendo made a lot of bad decisions; N64 - carts. GameCube - Proprietary optical media. Wii U - Weak. Casual console.
However regardless; I still think Sony would still be king today; as they were just more of a forward thinking company.
I agree with you that Sony was and is just better. The PlayStation took gaming from being something I had fun doing sometimes to being the most fun thing to do. But even with Nintendo's bad decisions, it still doesn't explain why they abandoned Metroid for nearly a decade.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: fighterpilot562 on April 29, 2016, 02:32:05 pm
So i decided, f it, ill start saving up for it now, and once E3 happens and if it looks decent, ill buy it. but if it sucks, well i saved up money and can go buy something else, maybe something awesome that appeared at E3
I wonder if they will even show anything about the NX at E3 this year.
Nope. They already said they won't be mentioning it again until later in the year.
My guess is somewhere between September and November they'll do a massive direct to unveil it and some of the launch games, to build hype.
well, i guess by nov if that is when it is, ill have lot of saved up and it ends up being too gimmicky, i can spend all that money on other styff lol
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on April 29, 2016, 02:56:38 pm
Nintendo made a lot of bad decisions; N64 - carts. GameCube - Proprietary optical media. Wii U - Weak. Casual console.
However regardless; I still think Sony would still be king today; as they were just more of a forward thinking company.
I agree with you that Sony was and is just better. The PlayStation took gaming from being something I had fun doing sometimes to being the most fun thing to do. But even with Nintendo's bad decisions, it still doesn't explain why they abandoned Metroid for nearly a decade.
Never been big on the Metroid series personally. Don't get me wrong, I can play and enjoy them. However I don't rate them as high as the vast majority of the gaming community seem to.
Obviously a lot of people do however. The topic was broached on the Kinda Funny Gamescast at one point. And I think as Colin said; Metroid is a AAA title critically but not commercially. So releasing a Metroid game on a console that doesn't have a big install base would be a waste of resources; yes the die hard Metroid fans might move 1 million copies, but it's just easier for Nintendo to move Mario titles instead which sell more.
If NX sells reasonably well in its first few months; I'm sure Nintendo will green light some Metroid concept that's been sitting on the shelf for development.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 29, 2016, 03:29:33 pm
I don't feel bad for getting a Wii U, I've played more good games on that than I have on PS4 in terms of exclusives so far. With a Zelda NX launch title, I'm likely to get the system at launch this time as that's a strong start, I just hope it has more to go alongside that too. If it has like 2 or 3 really good games at launch or in the launch window, that's the kind of start it really needs.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on April 29, 2016, 03:31:00 pm
I'll buy it.
I don't regret buying my WiiU at all. It actually gets more playtime than the PS4. Nintendo really gets me.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on April 29, 2016, 03:38:03 pm
^ Me too. Unless it's all digital. Then I'll just stick with my Wii U and XBone.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: weirdfeline on April 29, 2016, 05:09:58 pm
The gaming industry has pretty much decided that gimmicks are no longer interesting so Nintendo has no reason to make their own hardware.
2 letters debunk this VR
Not to mention they lead the way on a lot of industry standards D-pad Shoulder Buttons Rumble Hell even motion controls.
1. VR isn't a gimmick.
2. Why does what they did 30 years ago matter today?
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: rayne315 on April 29, 2016, 05:11:21 pm
I do not regret buying my Wii U either. its a way for me and my gf to spend some quality time together. she doesn't like a bunch of games but has loved every game we have bought for it. the only thing I am upset about is that I just bought it holiday last year and its already obsolete.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 29, 2016, 07:03:48 pm
VR is a massive gimmick. It's the new motion controls, which were a gimmick. Down the road, both could possibly become less gimmick and more substantial, but right now, with their extreme pricing and limitations, it's just a novelty.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: redblaze57 on April 29, 2016, 07:15:31 pm
VR is a massive gimmick. It's the new motion controls, which were a gimmick. Down the road, both could possibly become less gimmick and more substantial, but right now, with their extreme pricing and limitations, it's just a novelty.
Also basically 3D that instead of being on a TV/Movie Screen it gets strapped to the face that not everyone will be able to experience due to eye problems
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 29, 2016, 07:26:06 pm
Also basically 3D that instead of being on a TV/Movie Screen it gets strapped to the face that not everyone will be able to experience due to eye problems
Yeah I can't see using VR for longer than a half hour or hour at most. With gimmicky games designed around that, it's fine, but almost none of the games I'm gonna play would have need to utilize VR, which makes it a gimmick. The majority of major games have no need for it.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on April 30, 2016, 12:48:32 am
Other than motion controls, what's another Nintendo gimmick? The DS touchscreen I guess. Other than those two, nintendo's gimmicks have become standards.
"Oh, everyone has a joystick? Check out this D-Pad" "Have you seen this new rumble pak gimmick?" Now, rumble is standard. "Why do we need L and R buttons?" L1? R2?
Was the GameCube control out before the duel shock?
My point is, Nintendo has changed a bunch of shit. They just underestimated how lazy we are as gamers.
As for VR? Eff VR. It's a gimmick. Read the sentence above.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 30, 2016, 01:08:42 am
Was the GameCube control out before the duel shock?
My point is, Nintendo has changed a bunch of shit. They just underestimated how lazy we are as gamers.
Dual Shock 2 came out before the Gamecube Controller.
I wouldn't say it's about being lazy, it's more about comfort and ease of use. Swinging around motion controls can be tiring, it also can be sketchy, requiring calibrations a lot. I remember that being an annoying problem with Skyward Sword. I heard it was the same with Star Fox Zero. The movement I know was real annoying in ZombiU, which initially seemed like an interesting addition, but got real tedious, real quick lol
I feel like the NX will have something touch related still, perhaps a smaller controller with a proper touch screen, essentially a DS in a regular controller, a smaller gamepad, but I remember there was a lot of talk of it's hardware being quite different, and also apparently it has easy development in terms of porting, which could be making its mark on gaming culture in a less obvious way than a controller.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: fighterpilot562 on April 30, 2016, 01:43:02 am
Oh i am lazy and that is why i dont like motion control lol....
But more then likely ill be buying right away, as long as its not digital only. and when i say gimmick. i meant more of people saying its gonna be a cross of handheld and system, i wasnt really implying about things they have done in the past.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on April 30, 2016, 05:02:38 am
As long as there's Mario Kart and Smash. I'm all in.
Anyways let's not forget the talk is that this will be both the console and the handheld. That means that we should be expecting a line-up more in line with that of the 3DS than the Wii-U.
This console will have Mario Kart, Smash, 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Pokemon (yes as in Gen 9 will be on NX).
If the console is powerful enough it'll get the 3rd party support and get all the big titles (Nintendo will need to lax their censorship so as to secure GTA VI etc)
If they have the power and the third party; people will buy it. No it won't ever match the PS4's numbers but it could easily sell 50 million units or more over it's lifetime.
And if it gets that install base. Then Nintendo will surely release it's second tier exclusives too; Metroid, Star Fox, Donkey Kong and maybe even the return of Advance Wars :D
I know it's all ifs and buts for the most part; however I'd like to think Nintendo aren't stupid, I'd like to think the console has the power. Also tbf there's been lots of rumors that devs love it and it's so easy to develop for, so that's promising.
Honestly though I'd love to see Nintendo make some big moves in order to hype it up. How about....
1. Tell Konami to name their price for Castlevania. Then recruit Iga-san to make a new Castlevania title once hes finished with his new game.
2. Pay Capcom for timed exclusivity on Megaman 11.
Moves like that would really drum up the "Nintendo is back" hype.
Ha they should hire me, I've got this shit down :D
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: mrfoxhound on April 30, 2016, 12:16:40 pm
Nintendo Press site changed the date of Zelda from March 2017 to just 2017. Maybe the quickest delay in history or nothing at all.
VR is a massive gimmick. It's the new motion controls, which were a gimmick. Down the road, both could possibly become less gimmick and more substantial, but right now, with their extreme pricing and limitations, it's just a novelty.
I have to disagree. VR is pretty neat. I'm not jumping in right away and I'm not even sure if it would make me sick over an extended period of time. But for the short duration I have used it (30 minutes or less), I forgot the "real" world outside and was in awe. It immerses you in the game/experience like nothing else. While watching Netflix in the virtual theater, I found myself reaching for the virtual remote sitting on the couch to my left. You guys should at least try it before disregarding it. I'm not saying it will or should replace traditional gaming and I wouldn't want it to. But I think it's much more interesting and significant than waggle wand controls ever were or could be.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 30, 2016, 11:31:29 pm
I have to disagree. VR is pretty neat. I'm not jumping in right away and I'm not even sure if it would make me sick over an extended period of time. But for the short duration I have used it (30 minutes or less), I forgot the "real" world outside and was in awe. It immerses you in the game/experience like nothing else. While watching Netflix in the virtual theater, I found myself reaching for the virtual remote sitting on the couch to my left. You guys should at least try it before disregarding it. I'm not saying it will or should replace traditional gaming and I wouldn't want it to. But I think it's much more interesting and significant than waggle wand controls ever were or could be.
Not really disregarding it, just stating the facts that it's an extra bit of hardware that has a pretty narrow window of use. It won't do anything for the majority of major games. That's 100% gimmick status to me lol Doesn't mean gimmick is bad, it just has it's specific use.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: mrfoxhound on May 01, 2016, 01:33:23 am
Gimmick doesn't mean bad. This thread seems to be making it seem like it's a bad thing.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 01, 2016, 01:46:32 am
Gimmick doesn't mean bad. This thread seems to be making it seem like it's a bad thing.
Gimmick just means novelty or has a specific use, certainly not bad, but no one will be using VR to play Final Fantasy, Zelda, Grand Theft Auto, Dark Souls, Mario, etc, etc, etc. A couple games might get it added as a bonus, and some would use it for abit, but it's not the next D-Pad or Rumble lol
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on May 05, 2016, 02:43:05 pm
I really doubt that given how costly carts are compared to discs, but if they want to allow physicality without having a disc drive, it would be the way to go. Basically throw minimal content and some form of DRM on the cart and then download the rest of the necessary content to your hard drive. I mean that's basically what you get with any game nowadays anyway... especially PC.
Nintendo's E3 site is up... they really aren't talking about anything but Zelda. Nintendo is usually the reason I take off work and watch the streams, but with their stream being solely the new Zelda, you can only watch for so long without redundancy.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on May 05, 2016, 03:50:39 pm
I really doubt that given how costly carts are compared to discs, but if they want to allow physicality without having a disc drive, it would be the way to go. Basically throw minimal content and some form of DRM on the cart and then download the rest of the necessary content to your hard drive. I mean that's basically what you get with any game nowadays anyway... especially PC.
Nintendo's E3 site is up... they really aren't talking about anything but Zelda. Nintendo is usually the reason I take off work and watch the streams, but with their stream being solely the new Zelda, you can only watch for so long without redundancy.
It would make sense for a few reasons. The carts may be more expensive to manufacture than a disc, but they will save money on all those drives that won't need to be included. And if the rumors are true that the controller can operate autonomously from the console, a cartridge like a 3DS cart would be perfect for moving back and forth between the two. The card readers also (I don't know exact figures) require less power to run than a disc drive which could lead to all kinds of savings for Nintendo from physical space required in the system to lowering manufacturing costs.
I feel the same way about their E3 this year focusing solely on Zelda. But I'm sure there is a large number of grown ass men who will weep like babies when Link comes riding across the plains in the trailer, quite similar to every other Zelda game with the exception of Wind Waker. ::)
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 05, 2016, 04:13:04 pm
I'm stoked for the big reveal of Zelda, it's at the top of my most anticipated list easily, but their choice to not even have a digital event, solely doing Zelda in the Treehouse live setting is just weird and confusing.
I'm also 100% behind game carts.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on May 05, 2016, 04:19:18 pm
I really doubt that given how costly carts are compared to discs, but if they want to allow physicality without having a disc drive, it would be the way to go. Basically throw minimal content and some form of DRM on the cart and then download the rest of the necessary content to your hard drive. I mean that's basically what you get with any game nowadays anyway... especially PC.
Nintendo's E3 site is up... they really aren't talking about anything but Zelda. Nintendo is usually the reason I take off work and watch the streams, but with their stream being solely the new Zelda, you can only watch for so long without redundancy.
It would make sense for a few reasons. The carts may be more expensive to manufacture than a disc, but they will save money on all those drives that won't need to be included. And if the rumors are true that the controller can operate autonomously from the console, a cartridge like a 3DS cart would be perfect for moving back and forth between the two. The card readers also (I don't know exact figures) require less power to run than a disc drive which could lead to all kinds of savings for Nintendo from physical space required in the system to lowering manufacturing costs.
I feel the same way about their E3 this year focusing solely on Zelda. But I'm sure there is a large number of grown ass men who will weep like babies when Link comes riding across the plains in the trailer, quite similar to every other Zelda game with the exception of Wind Waker. ::)
Absolutely agree completely. Now if Nintendo would get their shit together with their DRM.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on May 05, 2016, 10:21:55 pm
I really doubt that given how costly carts are compared to discs, but if they want to allow physicality without having a disc drive, it would be the way to go. Basically throw minimal content and some form of DRM on the cart and then download the rest of the necessary content to your hard drive. I mean that's basically what you get with any game nowadays anyway... especially PC.
Nintendo's E3 site is up... they really aren't talking about anything but Zelda. Nintendo is usually the reason I take off work and watch the streams, but with their stream being solely the new Zelda, you can only watch for so long without redundancy.
It would make sense for a few reasons. The carts may be more expensive to manufacture than a disc, but they will save money on all those drives that won't need to be included. And if the rumors are true that the controller can operate autonomously from the console, a cartridge like a 3DS cart would be perfect for moving back and forth between the two. The card readers also (I don't know exact figures) require less power to run than a disc drive which could lead to all kinds of savings for Nintendo from physical space required in the system to lowering manufacturing costs.
I feel the same way about their E3 this year focusing solely on Zelda. But I'm sure there is a large number of grown ass men who will weep like babies when Link comes riding across the plains in the trailer, quite similar to every other Zelda game with the exception of Wind Waker. ::)
Absolutely agree completely. Now if Nintendo would get their shit together with their DRM.
That would be a good start. At the same time, fix their ass backwards friend codes. One ID across all systems.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on May 17, 2016, 03:53:33 pm
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NX not a successor to Wii U or 3DS according to Nintendo
Hmm, I'm taking this with a grain of salt. Console makers always say this, because they don't want sales of current consoles to drop-off due to anticipation.
NX not a successor to Wii U or 3DS according to Nintendo
Hmm, I'm taking this with a grain of salt. Console makers always say this, because they don't want sales of current consoles to drop-off due to anticipation.
Nintendo has been saying that since it was first announced. They haven't been saying the same thing as other console makers. Other console makers make the statement that they aren't discontinuing support for the previous iteration of their console, Nintendo has stated that the NX is a brand new experience completely different and unique compared to traditional handheld or console game systems, and as such will not be made to replace or succeed either the Wii U or 3DS.
That being said, releasing a console akin to the PS4 or X1 would be a "new" experience for Nintendo, so whatever.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 17, 2016, 05:35:14 pm
It's such weird PR spin. It's clearly a replacement for the Wii U, because it HAS to be. Whether it's also a 3DS replacement remains to be seen, but if it's going to be more powerful than a Wii U and have all its own games, then it's the new replacement. The Wii U is clearly dead at this point with very little in the way of big games releasing this year, so if the NX isn't going to be the new system, then what is their plan?
I really wished they were just announcing the NX at E3 and get it over with than having all this PR spin nonsense. Keeping the details muddy with less than a year to go till release is such a bad idea, especially with them deciding to not promote the rest of their games at E3 this year along with no promotion of the NX in any way.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: fighterpilot562 on May 18, 2016, 01:19:59 am
It's such weird PR spin. It's clearly a replacement for the Wii U, because it HAS to be. Whether it's also a 3DS replacement remains to be seen, but if it's going to be more powerful than a Wii U and have all its own games, then it's the new replacement. The Wii U is clearly dead at this point with very little in the way of big games releasing this year, so if the NX isn't going to be the new system, then what is their plan?
I really wished they were just announcing the NX at E3 and get it over with than having all this PR spin nonsense. Keeping the details muddy with less than a year to go till release is such a bad idea, especially with them deciding to not promote the rest of their games at E3 this year along with no promotion of the NX in any way.
Seriously, at E3 is best, at least the casual gamer will likely be watching. the only people who are gonna watch the announcement they planning to do later in the year, are gonna be guys like us. and they relaly should be targeting the sony and m$ fans too. not just collectors and Nintendo fans.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 18, 2016, 02:31:53 am
I have to wonder this...This is completely unwarranted and mostly just a nagging thought in the back of my head...but I have to wonder if they have some secret plans. I still think missing E3 essentially is not a great idea, but I wonder if before E3, we'll get a Direct talking about all their games coming up this year. They have to do it soon I think because they got some games they can push such as Tokyo Mirage along with Mario & Sonic Rio in just June alone. That way they get their games out there ahead of time and being talked about before E3. Then they can do their E3 plans of all Zelda which will be great, even if no Digital Event is happening.
Still feel like they'll do a surprise tease of the NX at some point next month. Not a full reveal, I'm guessing they are waiting for an event during the summer or I guess Tokyo Game Show, but like a name and a silhouette of the system could work if they do the before E3 Direct.
That might be just me hoping they aren't being so oblivious to their faults right now. They have their problems, but they are kinda having more than a few setbacks lately. Star Fox isn't doing well and they disappointed a lot of people by scaling back what they do at E3, when E3 is usually when Nintendo is at their best now.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: bubsystation on May 18, 2016, 12:38:47 pm
I have to wonder this...This is completely unwarranted and mostly just a nagging thought in the back of my head...but I have to wonder if they have some secret plans. I still think missing E3 essentially is not a great idea, but I wonder if before E3, we'll get a Direct talking about all their games coming up this year. They have to do it soon I think because they got some games they can push such as Tokyo Mirage along with Mario & Sonic Rio in just June alone. That way they get their games out there ahead of time and being talked about before E3. Then they can do their E3 plans of all Zelda which will be great, even if no Digital Event is happening.
Still feel like they'll do a surprise tease of the NX at some point next month. Not a full reveal, I'm guessing they are waiting for an event during the summer or I guess Tokyo Game Show, but like a name and a silhouette of the system could work if they do the before E3 Direct.
That might be just me hoping they aren't being so oblivious to their faults right now. They have their problems, but they are kinda having more than a few setbacks lately. Star Fox isn't doing well and they disappointed a lot of people by scaling back what they do at E3, when E3 is usually when Nintendo is at their best now.
Wait I thought they actually have a E3 conference this time?
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on May 18, 2016, 01:04:32 pm
Rumors very recently have been swirling about Nintendo getting into the movie business. I wonder if NX is some sort of movie service, like Netflix or Hulu, or some device like The Roku Stick. You know how Nintendo LOVES proprietary stuff. They also could use the service to stream games, too, if this were the case. (Zelda Wii U is getting released on NX and Wii U.) It would make sense if they were going into the movie business, that they would have their own, exclusive distribution service. And they have been insisting that it's not a replacement for the 3DS or Wii U.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 18, 2016, 04:12:28 pm
Wait I thought they actually have a E3 conference this time?
Nope, they are dropping the digital event they usually do and going solely for the Treehouse livestream stuff which will just show footage from the game floor of Zelda only.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on May 19, 2016, 09:50:16 am
If the NX isn't a replacement for the Wii U and 3DS....did Nintendo just decide not to make any more Wii U and 3DS games??? Because they sure as hell aren't putting much out.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: bubsystation on May 19, 2016, 12:04:17 pm
If the NX isn't a replacement for the Wii U and 3DS....did Nintendo just decide not to make any more Wii U and 3DS games??? Because they sure as hell aren't putting much out.
They said the same with the 3DS.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on May 22, 2016, 10:22:35 am
It either has to be:
1. They're being smart arses and that' their way of hinting that it's a hybrid, and a successor to both.
2. They simply mean the DS line ended with the New 3DS and the Wii line ended with the Wii U. So this is like the jump from GBA to DS or N64 to Gamecube.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: marvelvscapcom2 on May 23, 2016, 08:23:03 pm
I hope NX keeps the gamepad like Wii U but make it even better ;D. instead of having to be in the area of the console it could double as its own handheld that you can take in the car or outside. And it would have 3D features like 3ds. With unlimited range. And I hope they make more awesome amiibos and I hope amiibos carry over and don't die with Wii U. I hope for a Galaxy 3, A Kirby DreamLand and I hope that the New Zelda is amazing. I hope it runs in 4k 60fps. And I hope it is backwards compatible. I hope that the charge stand for the controller has magnets that make the controller levitate and charge at the same time. it would look so awesome and contemporary space age. they have the technology.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on June 02, 2016, 11:58:31 am
So allegedly Nintendo isn't doing Zelda only on the Tree house. They will demo Pokemon Sun and Moon as well as other games that are coming out soon.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on June 02, 2016, 01:52:58 pm
So allegedly Nintendo isn't doing Zelda only on the Tree house. They will demo Pokemon Sun and Moon as well as other games that are coming out soon.
They REALLY need to either give us something on the NX or pull out a big surprise. I'm a Nintendo stalwart, and even I'm feeling burned by Nintendo's offerings lately.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on June 02, 2016, 06:10:44 pm
It's been confirmed that Pokemon Sun & Moon will get a preview before all the Zelda stuff. They are also adding a second day that will include more such as a Pokemon Go Q&A, and will showoff some games like Monster Hunter Generations, Dragon Quest 7, and Tokyo Mirage Sessions and possibly others.
Guess Nintendo realized from the feedback that only bringing one game to the show was a poor idea. even if it was Zelda. This also has me hopeful for some NX teasing. I don't need a full reveal, but it would be nice to get the name, and perhaps a glance at the system. A simple tease of "The INSERT CONSOLE NAME HERE is coming..."
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on June 02, 2016, 08:15:52 pm
So the latest rumor I'm hearing is that the NX was delayed because they wanted to add VR support.
This coming from the latest episode of The Know on YouTube.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: redblaze57 on June 02, 2016, 08:33:59 pm
honestly I doubt it
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160530PD201.html something about the article just seems off to me
honestly if production did get delayed probably certain parts might have gotten cheaper so they could add some more power
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on June 03, 2016, 10:14:52 am
I'm feeling pretty cynical today, so I'm just going to throw this out there and of course it's just my opinion so take it as you may.
Nintendo are douchebags. They are clueless, out-of-touch douchebags. They are going to release a system roughly equivalent to the Xbox One and PS4 in the middle of the current console cycle. Any "power" advantage they may have been planning on will be negated by the new revisions to the PS4 and 'bone.
Nintendo will launch like they always do: Two or three Nintendo-made games, a smattering of "current" or "recently released" 3rd party titles for full retail when the PS4 and 'bone versions are half price by then. These overpriced 3rd party releases won't sell well due to the combination of being "past their prime" and selling for more than they do on competing systems. Nintendo still won't have a unified and cohesive store & online system in place. The NX won't play any media such as DVD or Blu-Ray.
YOU personally may love Zelda and Pokémon and Mario and Metroid. But as we have seen time & again, these Nintendo franchise characters alone can't make a Nintendo system come out on top. There is nothing that Nintendo can "revolutionize" that will replace the lack of strong 3rd party titles like Call of Duty and Battlefield. Like them or not, they are huge money makers and a system with no online community to support these games will not prosper.
You would think that Nintendo would have learned from past mistakes by now. I'm willing to wager they haven't.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on June 03, 2016, 10:58:24 am
^ I keep hearing that Nintendo is making the NX very easy to program for just for that reason. They want the third-party support back. But at this point, 99% of what we're hearing about the NX is nothing but rumors. So who knows.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on June 03, 2016, 11:07:29 am
For the love of all things, can we get a decent online system. Everyone needs to just blatantly ripoff XBox Live. It is what online should be. Make it easy to use and navigate.
Nintendo has the strongest 1st party titles. It's been keeping them in the game for 3 generations. If they could get in there with a powerful system that can get some 3rd party support, they could regain some market share. I understand that cost is a big part of it, but it may be time to roll the dice. You can't make money without spending money.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on June 05, 2016, 09:17:39 am
Personally I give the NX a better chance than the Wii U; if it's true that it will also be the handheld. Pokemon alone could make all the difference as a system seller.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on June 05, 2016, 05:16:26 pm
Personally I give the NX a better chance than the Wii U; if it's true that it will also be the handheld. Pokemon alone could make all the difference as a system seller.
That is true. Essentially combining what sells well on the 3DS with the main console itself would really beef up the library and sales overall, which is smart. Especially if you can play the handheld games on your TV. I don't really play my 3DS a lot because I'm not fond of playing on the small screen, so I tend to avoid most handheld games other than some big ones that particularly excite me. Heck, I'm still trying to get through Hyrule Warriors Legends lol
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on June 16, 2016, 12:26:51 am
While this is not exactly surprising information, it's expected, Nintendo of Canada CEO stated that the NX will be revealed this fall. I'm gonna say either at the Tokyo Game Show, or their own big direct within that time frame. They out the big important information there, with some big game reveals, and then at the Game Awards Show, which they help sponsor I believe, in December, they can show even more, and get that hype going for the March release.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on June 16, 2016, 08:05:46 am
While this is not exactly surprising information, it's expected, Nintendo of Canada CEO stated that the NX will be revealed this fall. I'm gonna say either at the Tokyo Game Show, or their own big direct within that time frame. They out the big important information there, with some big game reveals, and then at the Game Awards Show, which they help sponsor I believe, in December, they can show even more, and get that hype going for the March release.
I'd say maybe a big conference the week of TGS and simultaneously an event in LA hosted by Reggie.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on June 16, 2016, 01:06:38 pm
Personally I give the NX a better chance than the Wii U; if it's true that it will also be the handheld. Pokemon alone could make all the difference as a system seller.
Nintendo is quickly losing confidence in even their longtime fans. The last year or so hasn't been kind to Nintendo. I'd be surprised if the NX does do better than the Wii U.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: turf on June 16, 2016, 01:56:09 pm
Personally I give the NX a better chance than the Wii U; if it's true that it will also be the handheld. Pokemon alone could make all the difference as a system seller.
Nintendo is quickly losing confidence in even their longtime fans. The last year or so hasn't been kind to Nintendo. I'd be surprised if the NX does do better than the Wii U.
If they'd quit dragging it out, that would help. Give us something. I honestly think Nintendo can compete if they'd get the third party support. They have the best first party games. If they can just get GTA, COD, and any other acronym on board, it could be the console of choice next generation.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on June 16, 2016, 02:08:05 pm
Personally I give the NX a better chance than the Wii U; if it's true that it will also be the handheld. Pokemon alone could make all the difference as a system seller.
Nintendo is quickly losing confidence in even their longtime fans. The last year or so hasn't been kind to Nintendo. I'd be surprised if the NX does do better than the Wii U.
If they'd quit dragging it out, that would help. Give us something. I honestly think Nintendo can compete if they'd get the third party support. They have the best first party games. If they can just get GTA, COD, and any other acronym on board, it could be the console of choice next generation.
Issue now is once again they risk releasing dated hardware.
Supposed word from developer was that it was slightly more powerful than the current consoles.
However chances are the NEO and the Scorpio will come out 6 months later and make the NX seem dated in terms of horse power.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: ignition365 on June 17, 2016, 09:21:13 am
Nintendo is quickly losing confidence in even their longtime fans. The last year or so hasn't been kind to Nintendo. I'd be surprised if the NX does do better than the Wii U.
With the footage of Zelda, I'm totally renewed in my faith, even without NX info.
If they'd quit dragging it out, that would help. Give us something. I honestly think Nintendo can compete if they'd get the third party support. They have the best first party games. If they can just get GTA, COD, and any other acronym on board, it could be the console of choice next generation.
Expect info on NX at TGS in September. According to rumors, third party publishers and developers are extremely happy with NX, if this is true, Nintendo will definitely receive third-party support. That doesn't mean exclusives, but titles will definitely release on NX if that is true.
Issue now is once again they risk releasing dated hardware.
Supposed word from developer was that it was slightly more powerful than the current consoles.
However chances are the NEO and the Scorpio will come out 6 months later and make the NX seem dated in terms of horse power.
From what I'm hearing Neo and Scorpio will come with fairly high price points, which will be a major deterrence for the more casual gamers, and even non-casual gamers. Neo and Scorpio sound great, but I don't think either platform will exist as must have hardware that will shut out NX as a viable platform.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on June 18, 2016, 11:36:43 am
Nintendo is quickly losing confidence in even their longtime fans. The last year or so hasn't been kind to Nintendo. I'd be surprised if the NX does do better than the Wii U.
With the footage of Zelda, I'm totally renewed in my faith, even without NX info.
If they'd quit dragging it out, that would help. Give us something. I honestly think Nintendo can compete if they'd get the third party support. They have the best first party games. If they can just get GTA, COD, and any other acronym on board, it could be the console of choice next generation.
Expect info on NX at TGS in September. According to rumors, third party publishers and developers are extremely happy with NX, if this is true, Nintendo will definitely receive third-party support. That doesn't mean exclusives, but titles will definitely release on NX if that is true.
Issue now is once again they risk releasing dated hardware.
Supposed word from developer was that it was slightly more powerful than the current consoles.
However chances are the NEO and the Scorpio will come out 6 months later and make the NX seem dated in terms of horse power.
From what I'm hearing Neo and Scorpio will come with fairly high price points, which will be a major deterrence for the more casual gamers, and even non-casual gamers. Neo and Scorpio sound great, but I don't think either platform will exist as must have hardware that will shut out NX as a viable platform.
Talk for both NEO and Scorpio is $400. So same price the original consoles came out at.
And sure that would be all well and good if Nintendo decided to bring the NX out at a low price but we all know they won't; it'll also be a $400 console.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on June 18, 2016, 02:16:36 pm
Sure it's gonna be at 400 for the other systems? I'd imagine they'd be higher with the kind of tech they are pushing, I mean, it isn't like 4k is a common and cheap thing yet. I could see them pushing nearly 500 for the systems.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kmacdw on June 18, 2016, 03:54:51 pm
Sure it's gonna be at 400 for the other systems? I'd imagine they'd be higher with the kind of tech they are pushing, I mean, it isn't like 4k is a common and cheap thing yet. I could see them pushing nearly 500 for the systems.
Well industry experts are predicting $400.
XONE is down to $300 with the launch of the XONE S and industry experts predict the PS4 will soon follow.
Maybe, just maybe they'll be $450, but $500 would be crazy, they wouldn't sell very well that high.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on June 18, 2016, 04:26:22 pm
XONE is down to $300 with the launch of the XONE S and industry experts predict the PS4 will soon follow.
Maybe, just maybe they'll be $450, but $500 would be crazy, they wouldn't sell very well that high.
I don't think 500 bucks is really all that ridiculous. New phones go for over that every year. The PS4 launched at 400 bucks and that didn't have anything particularly special going on for it, but then to go ramp up the hardware and to play games at 4k? 500 dollar is absolutely a reasonable price for it, especially since they are basically treating the Neo and Scorpio as the next console generation come early. I'm fine with being wrong on it, I just think people should expect a serious price for some serious hardware. This is basically on the level of the PS3, which also launched at 500 bucks and I believe they were taking a pretty big loss for the hardware still at that price unless this whole thing is just so they can push 4k tv's.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: gf78 on June 23, 2016, 09:35:46 am
I don't think 500 bucks is really all that ridiculous. New phones go for over that every year. The PS4 launched at 400 bucks and that didn't have anything particularly special going on for it, but then to go ramp up the hardware and to play games at 4k? 500 dollar is absolutely a reasonable price for it, especially since they are basically treating the Neo and Scorpio as the next console generation come early. I'm fine with being wrong on it, I just think people should expect a serious price for some serious hardware. This is basically on the level of the PS3, which also launched at 500 bucks and I believe they were taking a pretty big loss for the hardware still at that price unless this whole thing is just so they can push 4k tv's.
Personally, $500 is ridiculous IMO, especially for a company like Nintendo who's consumer confidence is at an all-time low. The PS3 launched for $500~$600 and didn't sell well. That's why they dropped the price pretty fast. And that was Sony, riding an incredible high from the runaway PS2. Nintendo is heading in from a pitiful low.
Neo and Scorpio are unique in that while they are newer, more powerful systems - they are 100% compatible with the "vanilla" PS4 and Xbox One. They are not required to play new games, they just play them in 4K resolution. So for those who want to have the "latest & greatest" or the most powerful system, these are systems for them. But those playing on standard PS4's and 'bones are still able to play all the latest games. This won't be true for the NX.
If Nintendo goes with anything other than a standard x86 architecture that is highly similar to the PS4 and Xbox One, they can forget 3rd party support.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: burningdoom on June 23, 2016, 02:05:12 pm
Yeah, $500 is a lot of money. That's half a grand. That is a big deal. A lot people have families to take care of or live on budgets. $500 for an entertainment purchase is a big deal, especially if you paid $300-$400 for the original model just a couple years earlier.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: kamikazekeeg on June 23, 2016, 03:30:06 pm
Personally, $500 is ridiculous IMO, especially for a company like Nintendo who's consumer confidence is at an all-time low. The PS3 launched for $500~$600 and didn't sell well. That's why they dropped the price pretty fast. And that was Sony, riding an incredible high from the runaway PS2. Nintendo is heading in from a pitiful low.
Neo and Scorpio are unique in that while they are newer, more powerful systems - they are 100% compatible with the "vanilla" PS4 and Xbox One. They are not required to play new games, they just play them in 4K resolution. So for those who want to have the "latest & greatest" or the most powerful system, these are systems for them. But those playing on standard PS4's and 'bones are still able to play all the latest games. This won't be true for the NX.
If Nintendo goes with anything other than a standard x86 architecture that is highly similar to the PS4 and Xbox One, they can forget 3rd party support.
That 500 bucks was in regard to the Neo and Scorpio, not the NX. I'm sure the NX will be around 400 bucks, maybe less depending on what kind of system it turns out to be, whether it's also a mobile handheld unit or not. Nintendo definitely has to price their system right since they are trying to compete in a crazily changing market. The new 4K systems though are a big hardware leap and very much an example of a luxury item, so 500 is hardly unrealistic to think they will reach. At minimum, 450, but they tend to have alternate bundles for systems with different HDD sizes and such, which would easily bring them up to 500 and would usually be the preferable option.
Title: Re: The Nintendo "NX"
Post by: necrosexual on June 28, 2016, 03:52:54 am
i want to say "fuck nintendo i ain't even gonna touch this shit" the wii u is a fucking sore disappointment to me, and even tho there are games i want, i can't afford them because the price tags never go down and i don't have a certain system update to, ehmm, you know and i hate doing 'ehm you know', i don't EVER, i'm just too broke.
i WANT to say that but in reality, if they said
nx launching with new animal crossing ala new leaf not HHD or AF.
i'd be all over that shit like a pesky fly. AC is my nintendo system seller at this point. i can honestly take it or leave it on the rest and after their censorship left and right and my wii u basically never being used and the price tags and all kinds of shit, my faith in ninten isn't too high. but slap an animal crossing on there, slap it with an AC print/design and package them together and well, i'm sold >.>;;