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Classic Video Games / Re: Best European shop for retrogames?
« on: February 04, 2015, 08:53:20 am »
Yes I fully agree with the prices being steep, that's why I wondered if anyone could point me in some other directions aswell :)

When you speak of Amazon, do you mean other people selling stuff through amazon? I've not really investigated Amazon from that perspective. I normally go about checking ebay.co.uk but most of the stuff there is quite pricey aswell

Yes, Amazon is basically a large collection of small shops, even when you buy new stuff it very rarely comes from Amazon itself. Think of it as an aircraft hangar full of individual stalls, yes it is possible to get burned but honestly to the scale of it actually mattering (Eg a game described as "Very Good" when in reality it's scratched to bejesus) is very tiny.

Admittedly the majority of my purchases have been 5th and 6th Generation, with the odd old PC or Gameboy1 titles, but there also some old Home Computer (80's) games which are available though i've not yet explored.
If you're a serious collector for old cartridge-based games then perhaps there are better places to be looking, but if you just want the games in decent condition then it's kinda crazy to pay any more for them.


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Classic Video Games / Re: Best European shop for retrogames?
« on: February 03, 2015, 01:31:20 pm »
The prices are a bit steep on that site. I do most of my online shopping on Amazon, and providing you know the good sellers you can pick up a lot of those titles for less than 66% what they cost there. I think i'll stick to what i know thanks.  :)

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Classic Video Games / Re: Best 'classic' PC to begin collecting for?...
« on: February 02, 2015, 04:17:55 pm »

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Classic Video Games / Re: Best 'classic' PC to begin collecting for?...
« on: February 02, 2015, 07:27:02 am »
Im not versed, known, approximately close, beside, within, anywhere near the knowledge on oldcomputers, but its getting a little out of hand here. Im just saying but there is a lot of hostility here.


Not at all.  ;D
It's always fun watching people make utter fools of themselves. Haven't laughed this much since that Will Ferrell + cheerleader vid.

Posting nonsense? I've posted evidence more than once now...where is yours other than you say so?  A single piece of evidence to counter-act mine?

I don't need evidence, i have experience. As do the other posters who counter your argument.

PC gaming may not be my first forte, but I'm VERY interested in the history of gaming and have a shelf full of books on the subject.

You weren't actually active during this period of gaming then, so this "qualified opinion" of yours is just based on hearsay.
The rest of us know that you can read-up on anything through thousands of books, but you don't get to call yourself an expert if you haven't used any of the items in question during the period. It's like being a Mac-addict and reading through the "Junior Guide to Microsoft" and then applying for work in Windows Tech-help. Clueless doesn't even begin to cover it.

And your argument seems to keep changing. The discussion originally was that no one called them PCs. Which I then countered with sure they do, they used it in marketing all the time.


Marketers are not consumers. Duh.

I've never once backed down from my argument that they were indeed referred to as PCs for a time, and I still don't. I know that PCs are Windows-systems nowadays. But the fact still stands that non-IBMs were referred to as PCs for a time.


Except they weren't. There was always the IBM/PC Compatibles, and the others known by name. IBM had a range of PC-entitled computers and surprise, surprise that's where the expression "PC Compatibles" comes from. Even if guest Commodore activist Turnip McTurgeltoo said the C64 was a "Personal Computer", good for him. It was not a PC, or PC Compatible and even Commodore customer care would never say it was (Though in this particular instance, i can only surmise as i don't have direct experience of Commodore Customer Care - See what i did there? I admitted i had no actual hands-on experience of something. You should try it sometime).
I'm sure if i looked hard enough i could find some official Commodore documents to reflect this, or some advert on youtube that shows a big-haired brunette with bright red lipstick using a headset the size of a satellite; but i don't have as much free time as most.

But since you believe your own word over the likes of Commodore, Apple, and Radio Shack here's some more evidence...
Or how about the Amstrad CPC? I don't even need to post a link for that one, do I? It's in the name for crying out loud!

Except no one called it a PC - Which is the whole point of this discussion. Funnily enough the CPC was known as a Micro Computer (again i have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE of this). Here, as you like adverts so much:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vClQZZO-TQ

There is actually huge diversity in the world and just because something is popular in your tiny bubble doesn't actually mean it's the norm. You have great difficulty grasping this concept. Prior to using the internet i'd never heard of Radio Shack and neither had anyone outside of your country. I know this sounds strange to you but there are actually a whole range of electrical stores, systems, names and identifications outside of whatever zit of existence you reside in.

This appears to have turned into a Q3 vs UT style discussion. Though the difference here would be that you haven't actually played either game but reckon Q3 is better just because Stephen Hawking said it was once on NBS Kids.

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Classic Video Games / Re: Best 'classic' PC to begin collecting for?...
« on: February 01, 2015, 10:20:59 am »
I've shown video evidence from more than one company.  Now watch this ad from Commodore:


Yet "no one" called anything other than IBM PCs back then, huh? I guess Apple, Commodore, and Radio Shack are "no one".

I covered that a few posts back with the definitions of IBM/Compatibles and Apples. You read that right? Oh. Of course.

I accept you're the go-to guy for Nintendo games and consoles, but one would be better off talking to a muppet without a hand up it's bum for PC knowledge.
You said so yourself you didn't have a PC and neither did anyone in your shantytown, so how could you possibly know what the differences between IBM/Compatibles/Apple amongst users were in the day?

1. I never said I didn't have a PC. I said the average American didn't back then. I had a C64 until we got a Windows machine.

2. I never once specified "amongst users" nor did I specify any group. jakandsig said that no one called non-IBM computers PCs. I pointed out that sure they did back then all the time in ads and that it was a buzzword back then (hence showing the ads).

3. Yeah, I read your post, then I showed you ads where those very companies used the word PC or personal computer. Personally, I'm taking the actual ads as evidence over joe-schmoe on a message board telling me his word is somehow evidence otherwise.

4. Before you go getting all pissy and start getting mouthy with me, try to keep up with what's going on or at least try to have a discussion like an adult.

Who's getting pissy?! You're the one posting nonsense and refusing to back down even though more and more people are joining the joyful discussion to tell you how utterly clueless you are on this subject. ;)

It doesn't matter what people said in adverts, there was only one PC and that was the IBM/Compatible. Simply because Apples were Apples (Or "Mac's" to people who had one), C64's were C64's (or Home Computers in other territories), CPC's were Home Computers, Spectrum's were Home Computers.

Just because a computer/games system has a keyboard doesn't make it a PC, no matter what the marketer's say. Or are you really that gullible that you take everything said in adverts as unfiltered reality?

If Nintendo made a qwerty keyboard for the WiiU, would that then be a PC if Satoru Iwata said it was in a TV campaign?

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Classic Video Games / Re: Best 'classic' PC to begin collecting for?...
« on: January 31, 2015, 07:02:24 pm »
I've shown video evidence from more than one company.  Now watch this ad from Commodore:


Yet "no one" called anything other than IBM PCs back then, huh? I guess Apple, Commodore, and Radio Shack are "no one".

I covered that a few posts back with the definitions of IBM/Compatibles and Apples. You read that right? Oh. Of course.

I accept you're the go-to guy for Nintendo games and consoles, but one would be better off talking to a muppet without a hand up it's bum for PC knowledge.
You said so yourself you didn't have a PC and neither did anyone in your shantytown, so how could you possibly know what the differences between IBM/Compatibles/Apple amongst users were in the day?

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Classic Video Games / Re: Best 'classic' PC to begin collecting for?...
« on: January 31, 2015, 03:15:29 am »
WTG in "offering solution" over admitting you're wrong.

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Classic Video Games / Re: Best 'classic' PC to begin collecting for?...
« on: January 30, 2015, 04:53:32 pm »
It was probably about the time that Windows became popular that PC started referring to IBM computers only. After that, PC tended to refer to Window-compatible systems.

Back in the days of the Apple II and C64, there was another term; "IBM Compatible", which referred to IBM only programs.

Which is not true, the full name and the abrrev are too different things there are ads back then that say "Is Apple II better than PC" or "Will Atari kill PC" Or "Atari will try to make a PC clone to see how the market responds.)

I already showed you proof from actual Apple II ads calling themselves PCs. And here's the TRS-80 one I was thinking of when I mentioned the TRS-80, starring Hulk himself in the ad:


Same as people didn't differentiate IBM/Windows PCs as the only thing called PC until later. Back then, they were all called PCs. It was a buzzword they used to try and get wary people to accept computers in their homes. You've got to remember, back then computers weren't like they are now, not everyone had a computer in their home. Not even half of the nation had computers in their home.

Yeah but, what the manufacturers call things and what the consumers call things are sometimes totally different. Say i grew my own Oranges and sold you a bag for $1 and told you they were Machetes. Would you offer your partner a Machete or an Orange?

PC's have always been the IBM Compatibles for those of us who had one. Apple's were Apple's and Atari's were Atari's. There was a transition from calling them IBM Compatibles to PC Compatibles to simply PC's. But Apple's did not come under the PC Compatible umbrella because they weren't.
If Nintendo marketed the upgraded 3DS as an Air Hockey Table, would you be having a similar discussion in 30 years time telling people that the 3DS was a classic Air Hockey Table?

PS I don't know what planet you're from, but on mine IBM's/PC's were popular in homes in the late 80's.


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as a PC collector my self, i recommend going for DOS or early windows (3.1,95,98), it is highly documented making it easy to learn and software/OS issue relatively easy to fix, the parts are easy to fined and the games are for the most part cheap.

the problem with going for something like the C64,amiga or the apple computers is that there not as well documented as DOS or early windows, there's a high likelihood of compatibility issues especially with amiga and apple do to the amount of models available  and  it a lot harder to find part for them, overall i recommend starting with DOS or early windows and work your way up to systems like the amiga once you learn the ropes on how to deal with finicky nature of these things

That's like telling someone to learn to play the Tuba because it'll make it easier for them to learn Drums in the future.
It doesn't matter what old Home Computer one goes for, if they're willing to learn the language to understand it then it won't help in the slightest to waste time with DOS first.

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Classic Video Games / Re: Best 'classic' PC to begin collecting for?...
« on: January 27, 2015, 10:34:45 am »
And which Amiga do you suggest? 500, 500+, 600, 1000, etc. There are a few, and games weren't that competable.

I still have my Amiga 500  :D

From the brief bit of research i just did, an Amiga 500+ is the one to have. There was mention of a crack that made the 500+ think it was a regular 500 in order to play older titles.
But if the one you have plays Turrican 2, Supercars 2, Golden Axe, Sensible Soccer, Project X, Silkworm and The Spy Who Loved Me; then you've already got the best option. :D

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Classic Video Games / Re: Best 'classic' PC to begin collecting for?...
« on: January 27, 2015, 07:28:57 am »
In which case you can't really go wrong with an Amiga, unless you're looking for something even older. I'm a little biased in that regard as i'm firmly in the CPC camp, however modern Java emulation is now spot-on and you can play all the games on a modern PC. It's worth keeping in mind that the Sinclair Spectrum is in the midst of a revival thanks to its recent Kickstarter campaign, which leaves the C64, Acorn/BBC Micro, and um... Were there any others??

You have to remember that the base versions of each system (Not incl. Amiga or Atari ST) used cassette tape games which could take anything between 10 and 40mins to load, so if you are going to go that way try to get one that includes a disk drive.
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Classic CPC 464/6128 games:
Turbo Esprit, Rainbow Islands, Exolon, Supercars, Oh Mummy, Chuckie Egg, Laserwarp, Cauldron 2, Afterburner, Get Dexter, Chase HQ, Codename Mat, Tau Ceti, Tomahawk, Total Eclipse, Gauntlet, Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge, Rick Dangerous 2....

There are actually tons of great games on the system now that i think about it, but those load times;  :o

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Classic Video Games / Re: Best 'classic' PC to begin collecting for?...
« on: January 26, 2015, 12:45:59 pm »
Regardless, the terminology "PC" has since only been used in conjunction with the previously-titled IBM Compatibles. It is a confusing definition indeed.

A parallel to draw (as an example) would be if Nintendo referred to the SNES as a "HGC" (Home Games Console). While all the other TV-consoles are HGC's, only one of them is actually an HGC (in the case of this theroetical example, the SNES), because Genesis and Atari games won't work in SNES's, even though effectively they're all HGC's anyway.
If you can wrap your head around that, then you can see why despite ideas to the contrary, there is actually only 1 PC; the aforementioned IBM Compatible and its successors (Made by HP, Acer, Asus, Dell etc).

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Classic Video Games / Re: Best 'classic' PC to begin collecting for?...
« on: January 26, 2015, 08:05:20 am »
What is a classic PC? Are we talking just PC before the 90's? Or do you mean computers in general and not just PC's? If the latter Atari 8-bit.

Looking at the rest of the thread, looks like people forgot PC was not what computers were called if not by IBM or using their components back in the day, actually, wasn't even that long ago. (of course, MAC is really the only non-pc left, along with Chrome Books.)

I'm confused as to the intention also. From the 1st post i assumed he meant 80's/90's Home Computers (C64, CPC, Amiga etc), but others are responding with descriptions of what used to be known as IBM/PC Compatible's.

Some clarification is due methinks.

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Classic Video Games / Re: Your favourite console, and why?
« on: January 25, 2015, 07:43:26 am »
PS2.
Because it has everything covered for what one could ask for in a home console. And even if you can think of a genre that it is lightly-populated with, chances are they're available on PS1 which the PS2 can also play.

Ace Combat 4/5/6
ATV Offroad Fury 4
Buzz: The (*) Quiz
Champions of Norrath/Return
Cold Winter
Everybody's Tennis
Formula One 03/04/05
The Getaway 1/2
Ghosthunter
Gran Turismo 3/4
Klonoa 2
Road Trip Adventure
Sky Odyssey
Tourist Trophy
Transformers (2004)
Valkyrie Profile 2
We Love Katamari
The X-Files: Resist or Serve

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Classic Video Games / Re: 2 player PS2 games?
« on: December 31, 2014, 08:30:07 am »
Most fun i've had with 2 people:

Mashed: Fully Loaded
Timesplitters 2/3
Medal of Honor: Rising Sun
Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance
WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2006
Super Monkey Ball Deluxe
We Love Katamari
Muppets Party Cruise
Buzz! (Any)
SingStar (Any depending on what music you like)
Ace Combat: The Belkan War
Sega Megadrive Collection - Golden Axe 1-3
Lego Star Wars 2
Star Wars Battlefront 2
James Bond 007: Nightfire
Athens 2004
Guitar Hero 3
Champions of Norrath
Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
Bomberman Kart
Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2
Smash Court Tennis Pro Tournament 2
Pro Evolution Soccer 5
Toca Race Driver 3
Serious Sam: The Next Encounter
Twisted Metal: Black
Quake 3: Revolution

We also like to play "hotseat" mode on a lot of single player games. The Getaway is one good example for this as the missions are more clearly defined than other open world games, and it's always fun mocking someone else's driving.

I'd say this is the refined list of games we usually play when we get together (when time permits):
WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2006
Ace Combat: The Belkan War
Super Monkey Ball Deluxe (Monkey Golf, Target and Bowling)
Athens 2004
Muppets Party Cruise
Star Wars Battlefront 2
Smash Court Tennis Pro Tournament 2
Pro Evolution Soccer 5

My friend tends not to choose driving games because i'm good at them and he says i'm crap at covering-up when i've made a mistake on purpose. (It's easier to miss deliberately without raising suspicion in shooters) :D

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