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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: gf78 on January 23, 2015, 02:34:09 pm
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Please note, this is an opinion piece by me about my feelings toward Microsoft and Xbox. Thank you. And please note: I keep my systems and games in a clean environment, running through expensive surge suppressor systems and my games are dust & scratch free in their original cases when not in use.
I bought an original Xbox from EB games at the beginning of 2002. I picked up Halo, Dead or Alive 3, Project Gotham Racing and Oddworld Munch's Oddysee as well as an extended warranty which I had never done before, but since my "purchase" was based on a trade-in for my N64 and 24 pristine in box complete games, I had the extra dough and no other games interested me at that time. Within one week, Oddworld started making the system throw "dirty disc error" messages. I exchanged the game for another sealed copy which did the same but less frequently. Within a month, music I had ripped to my custom soundtracks would randomly skip while playing Project Gotham Racing. I exchanged the system under the extended warranty for a brand-new one within four months of my original purchase. BTW...the system was brand new when I purchased it as well. Microsoft further decided that only 3 years and 9 months (give or take) after I bought this brand-new system near launch, they were discontinuing it in favor of the Xbox 360. Grr....
I waited until October 2006 to buy an Xbox 360. I was pretty pissed that Sony was making the PS3 cost $600 or $500 for the "gimped" model and I liked the original Xbox, so I figured what the heck. I picked up the Xbox One 20-gig model, the HD-DVD add-on and a couple of games. Not long after, occasional grumblings about system failures began to snowball into outrage as the phenomenon known as the RRoD began to become widespread. I kept my system in a completely open space and even put plastic spacers under it that raised it about 1/3" without touching anything other than the feet of the system. You know, for extra ventilation. Well, HD-DVD went down the tubes which was no real fault on Microsoft's part. But then in the middle of playing one of my personal favorite games ever-Bioshock, my system started glitching and freezing up. Nice. Shorty thereafter, the dreaded RRoD reared it's ugly head. Well poo, what's an invested gamer to do? I got another system! Microsoft in short order began talking about this fantastic new system that would completely change the way we play our games! Project Natal!!! This ended up being Kinect and in short order, Microsoft ceased making games (with one or two exceptions) for the core gaming crowd and focused on schlock for this slow tracking POS that never really seemed to work as it should. This was also the beginning of the lovely DLC era where you no longer were buying a complete game. This was also the beginning of digital-only titles. As well, most online functions were hidden behind a paywall. Wanna watch Netflix? Gotta have Xbox Live Gold for that one. Microsoft also decided to grace us with the "metro" interface update where your game was no longer the main thing on the screen. Your game in the drive was relegated to a top left little corner box and adds were blasting you in the face. Adds...even though I am paying a premium for Xbox Live Gold?
Fast forward to 2014 and Microsoft introduces us to Xbox One. It has mandatory Kinect now! No options! Mandatory online! Don't like it? Don Mattrick says "We have a system for you! It's called Xbox 360!" TV, TV, TV! The backlash was insane. Microsoft backpedaled on every bad decision, even eventually removing the Kinect and Don Mattrick "took" another position at Zynga.
But for me, the damage had been done. Not only had Microsoft screwed gamers with the length of time the original Xbox was available, I had problems with the system from day one. Xbox 360 showed Microsoft didn't care one lick about gamers by focusing and forcing Kinect down everyone's throats. The system was a rushed, buggy mess that overheated and crapped out. Adds! Adds! Adds in your FACE!!! Then the sheer hubris of their Xbone announcement and their complete attitude where they basically thought they ruled the world and if you didn't like it, you could go F yourself.
So that was it for me. I refuse to support a company that has sheer contempt for their customers. Phil Spencer seems like an ok guy, but at this point, my PS4, Wii U and Vita are giving me more than enough games as well as my backlog for the PS3. I am not entertaining any thoughts on buying an Xbox One. I'm a huge Halo guy, but Halo 4 disappointed me, the Master Chief Collection launch was a complete disaster and watching videos of "Dude! Bro!" high-fiving Spartans in Halo 5 makes me cringe.
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Not sure why this topic popped up today but I approve of this message.
Ive been the driver of the fuck Microshaft bus for years. Glad to see another passenger climb aboard.
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This instantly made me think of the Game Launch Rock. Don't you ever buy a console at launch! Although you didn't, you still sound like what I consider an early adopter. My philosophy is - buy it once you know it's ready to go and it has something worth your while. Just being available, or being new doesn't necessary mean you should get one and that goes for any console.
I also think 4 to 5 years is still the average life span of a console, last gen being the exception, and I think people are already forgetting that. There are still plenty of games, and you can continue playing the games that exist for a discontinued platform.
I guess I've always bought at the right time, but I've never had any issue with Xbox, or 360. Not even a red ring. I like em'.
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XBox was my favorite console during the PS2/GameCube era. Best console of that generation, IMO. At least hardware-wise, you can't deny it. It was the powerhouse of that generation, and had a built-in harddrive and built-in internet access. I also like the game library. It was geared towards action-RPGS, FPSes, and action-games. All genres I really like.
Xbox 360 was the common-man console of this last generation. And as a result has one helluva game library. If you can't find any games you enjoy on the 360, you definitely aren't looking hard enough. The launch models are a valid complaint, for sure. Quality control really sucked on that one. I got lucky, my launch-era model still runs like a champ.
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I was never a fan of the Xbox. Their games might have been shinier, but the quality of titles was lacking for a person like myself that plays RPGs. Also, playing something like Soul Calibur II was a pain due to the controller being the size of a whopper. Nowadays, the only thing good about any form of Xbox is that Tales of Vesperia was released on one of them. It figures that the PlayStation 3 would get the superior version of it.
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I was never a fan of the Xbox. Their games might have been shinier, but the quality of titles was lacking for a person like myself that plays RPGs. Also, playing something like Soul Calibur II was a pain due to the controller being the size of a whopper. Nowadays, the only thing good about any form of Xbox is that Tales of Vesperia was released on one of them. It figures that the PlayStation 3 would get the superior version of it.
You mean Jrpgs right>?
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I was never a fan of the Xbox. Their games might have been shinier, but the quality of titles was lacking for a person like myself that plays RPGs. Also, playing something like Soul Calibur II was a pain due to the controller being the size of a whopper. Nowadays, the only thing good about any form of Xbox is that Tales of Vesperia was released on one of them. It figures that the PlayStation 3 would get the superior version of it.
Yeah, JRPGs were very lacking on that console. But it does have a plethora of action-RPGs:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2
-Demon Stone
-Dungeons & Dragon: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
-Fable
-Jade Empire
-Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-X-Men Legends 1 & 2
BTW, if you like JRPGs, Lost Odyssey is another one you should check out 360.
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I have no problems with Xbox or Xbox 360. Me and my friends constantly played Halo 1 and 2 with regular LAN parties and was some of the best gaming experiences I've ever had. I only had my 360 break down once after a couple years due to a failed disk drive, but I've had that one still for about 4 years now I believe, though I haven't used it much in the last year or two a whole lot, moving to my PS3 more to play games.
This in comparison to the PS2, where I had more issues with the PS2 fatty than I did with my Xbox or 360, of which I never had an issue with the Xbox.
No go on the Xbox One. They've pulled back on most everything that bugged me with it, but right now, it has no games for it. Just none and so few on the horizon. I'm just hoping they eventually bring Killer Instinct to PC lol Would be a smart way to combat the Street Fighter V strategy by introducing cross-play for it lol
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Personally I'm cool with the original Xbox. It has some nice features, controller is decent, and some nice games on the system( especially with some of the best multiplats), although I like the Gamecube ,PS2, and Dreamcast more for game libraries since they're more to my tastes. Most of the games I've gotten so far have been system exclusives, and they've been pretty good for the most part. It's a good console for collecting at the moment, and I pick up games for the system if I can get them for a cheap price.
For the Xbox 360, I got one of the revised 4gb models to avoid the early motherboard problems( have a launch model with ongoing RROD problems but was cheap) and there is a surprising amount of interesting games on the console, and most are from the first 5 years of the console's life. As a result, its the best system for shmups, and has quite a few jrpgs, along with other rpgs. The library is also good for most multiplats and is pretty cheap at the moment as well if you know where to look. I've decided not to bother with online features and Kinect( even though I have one) since they're not much of a concern. The other problem is that some games are region-locked for importing which is really inconscientent on some games, and forces you to buy a Japanese console just to play the game. I'm not a huge fan of the 360 controller, especially the d-pad. The 360 is a decent console overall.
As for the Xbox One, I really don't know if I'm going to get one in the future. There just doesn't seem to be enough games to warrant a purchase whether physical/digital. I also don't care for the Windows 8 interface( hopefully that changes) and that the library simply needs more genres, because at this point, there's not enough variety, especially when a bunch of games are on PC/ other platforms, even stuff that was supposed to be Xbox One exclusive.
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My own thoughts
XBOX(original): This system has grown on me more and more over the years. When it first came out and up until the end of its life I thought the only thing really worth playing on it was Halo and a handful of other games (mostly FPS games). It wasn't until years later when I started collecting that I realized how amazing of a library it had, both in terms of exclusives and games that just ran/looked way better that were also on other consoles. I'm not sure what was up with your original XBOXes, but the only hardware issue I have ever experience is the sticky disk tray which is the result of the drive belt getting dirty and is a simple fix. Save a handful of other disk-based systems, the original XBOX is definitely one of the most reliable disk based consoles I've owned. It is definitely the best console MS has ever released.
XBOX 360: The pre-slim 360s are quite possibly the most poorly engineered pieces of garbage I have ever owned or seen released. I bought an Elite in early 2007 and about a year later the disk drive stopped working, had that fixed, and then it went RRoD on me about 6-months later. I was so pissed off about it I didn't end up buying another until 9-months ago when I bought a used slim. As far at the Slims and the other model (I think the E, but I can't remember), they are far more reliable and I have not had any hardware issues, nor have I heard of widespread issues with these models. This is a huge contrast to nearly every pre-slim 360 I knew of friends, family and strangers owning having severe hardware failures. In regards to its library it has some really good exclusive titles, but unlike its predecessor it is outperformed for the most part its competition, the PS3. It's definitely my least favorite of the 7th gen console, but it's worth owning imo, at least the slim model and later.
XBOX One: Unless things dramatically change in regards to both games, content and policies regarding this console I am confident I will never own one, much less want one.
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Im okay with the xbox.
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I'm fine with Xbox and Xbox 360 but the Xbox One can burn in a..... err never mind. My main problem with Microsoft is that they take something people love and destroy it. Rare Ware comes to mind. I'm not alone on saying this but probably the best game company ever only to be bought out by Microsoft and never to make a good game again. I'm afraid that Minecraft and Mojang will suffer the same fate. Also the Xbox reputation is ruined. To most parents the name "Xbox" gets commonly associated with 360 No Scopes and Doritos. Overall it leaves a bad tastes in my mouth.
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I always had a Sony console growing up starting with the Ps1, Ps2 and then the Ps3. However with this new generation I decided on the xbox one for the sole reason most of my friends decided they were getting that and I wanted to play with them. I was a huge supported of the ps3 and loved the verity of games it support. At the same time hating on the 360 because I had friends who had up to 6 different ones because they kept getting the RRoD.
However I'm actually very satisfied with the XBone. Its hard for my to say I prefer it over the ps4 because I don't have one however I do miss playing the RPgs i could on the ps3 :(
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I always had a Sony console growing up starting with the Ps1, Ps2 and then the Ps3. However with this new generation I decided on the xbox one for the sole reason most of my friends decided they were getting that and I wanted to play with them. I was a huge supported of the ps3 and loved the verity of games it support. At the same time hating on the 360 because I had friends who had up to 6 different ones because they kept getting the RRoD.
However I'm actually very satisfied with the XBone. Its hard for my to say I prefer it over the ps4 because I don't have one however I do miss playing the RPgs i could on the ps3 :(
I have a feeling we're too early in on the generation to really see the major differences that will come to define both systems. I imagine there'll start being great exclusives on both systems with enough time, but the current differentiating features seem to be either aesthetic or of minimal importance. Might rethink the PS4 once Persona 5 comes out? Though you could always make do with the PS3 version haha.
In response to the thread as a whole, I totally agree that the Xbox brand has taken a turn for the worse, starting somewhere mid-360 lifespan. Maybe the Kinect was the beginning of the end... But in any case, it's a shame because the original Xbox was fabulous, albeit ugly as sin. The KotOR games remain my favorite games of all time, and it's a very nice system to collect for considering most of its games are available for pretty cheap, and it has a hell of a lot of hidden gems. It is a shame there's no way to transfer data between systems, though. No Xbox One for me in the foreseeable future, but I don't put a turnaround past Microsoft. I'm too invested in PlayStation these days to ever fully switch over should its situation improve, but if enough solid titles show up on it I'm not against it down the line. (KoTOR HD remake, perhaps?) Love following news about it though, its tumultuous beginning has been very, very interesting thus far.
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I'm fine with Xbox and Xbox 360 but the Xbox One can burn in a..... err never mind. My main problem with Microsoft is that they take something people love and destroy it. Rare Ware comes to mind. I'm not alone on saying this but probably the best game company ever only to be bought out by Microsoft and never to make a good game again. I'm afraid that Minecraft and Mojang will suffer the same fate. Also the Xbox reputation is ruined. To most parents the name "Xbox" gets commonly associated with 360 No Scopes and Doritos. Overall it leaves a bad tastes in my mouth.
Although they have messed up developers, such as Ensemble and FASA, I think in the case of Rare the top talent simply left the company shortly after being purchased. Before they purchased Mojang, I was thinking they weren't going to bother buying developers any longer since it hadn't been working out well. It appeared as if they preferred buying timed exclusives instead. The Tomb Raider deal is one that I believe was good for all parties involved because despite sales, Square Enix still never came across as confident in the future of the series. Microsoft's money could go a long way in making that game better than it might have been and it will likely be on all platforms eventually.
I don't hate on any company but I did have some issues with the original Xbox after a few years and my 360 did get the red ring. They replaced the 360 quite quickly though and it's been fine for the past five years. Obviously Microsoft screwed up in the making of that console and many have broken, though I will add quite a few PlayStation 3s have broken as well. It's unfortunate that consoles break so often these days. I know they are much more advanced than in the past so I shouldn't compare them to cartridge-based systems, however, I will say that all of my Sega platforms still work fine :D The only older platform that doesn't work correctly is my original Game Boy, that screen is messed up and even had some problems back when it was still relatively new.
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I've owned (briefly, very briefly) an XB and a 360.
I don't "hate" them, nor do I think that those who enjoy them & prefer them are all fools for doing so.
I wouldn't consider myself a Sony Pony -but- through the generations, I've always strongly *preferred* Sony's consoles.
Why?
Part of it's sticking with + going with what you know. After a decade(?) of absence from any gaming...I decided that I wanted to get back into it again. At this time - that left me with the choice of getting a PS2 or an XB. I didn't know shit about either one. It was the holiday season, and - nobody had either one in stock; so, I decided to just get whichever one I found 1st (a PS2).
Like riding a bike - after a day or 2 of gaming - it was feeling like I'd never stopped. My favorite genre has always been (insert whatever prefix/descriptor/country, etc that you like here ___:) RPG's.
As I played & learned - I found that Sony's consoles seemed to get (either exclusively or multi plat) the vast majority of these.
And it was good
I've also (and it could just be because I'd used it 1st & was used to it) always liked the PS' controllers a lot better.
Years later - after having lost my (non-dominant) hand, and spending enough time to make a fair evaluation & comparison - trying to use both the PS3 & the 360's controllers 1-handed...I again found that, for me, Sony's controller was much more comfortable, better sized, shaped, and laid-out for my one-handed gaming.
Who knows?
Would my thoughts & preferences have been any different, had I found an XB before a PS2?
Possibly.
But, in all honesty, I expect that it wouldn't have taken me very long to realize that MS' consoles constantly received far less of the games + kinds of games that *I* wanted to play.
That /=/ one being better/worse than the other, though - it's actually just about following & sticking w/ the *console* (regardless of the company logo on it:) that gets the higher # of games you want to play on it; simple math ;)
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To add to my previous post, I still have a vita which gives me my fix for the RPG section :)
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I was never a fan of the Xbox. Their games might have been shinier, but the quality of titles was lacking for a person like myself that plays RPGs. Also, playing something like Soul Calibur II was a pain due to the controller being the size of a whopper. Nowadays, the only thing good about any form of Xbox is that Tales of Vesperia was released on one of them. It figures that the PlayStation 3 would get the superior version of it.
You mean Jrpgs right>?
I'm not sure what you're saying. The PS3 does have a better selection of RPGs, that's for sure.
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I was never a fan of the Xbox. Their games might have been shinier, but the quality of titles was lacking for a person like myself that plays RPGs. Also, playing something like Soul Calibur II was a pain due to the controller being the size of a whopper. Nowadays, the only thing good about any form of Xbox is that Tales of Vesperia was released on one of them. It figures that the PlayStation 3 would get the superior version of it.
You mean Jrpgs right>?
I'm not sure what you're saying. The PS3 does have a better selection of RPGs, that's for sure.
They were talking about PS2/Xbox. While Xbox had the Knights of the Old Republic games and Jade Empire which were fantastic, the PS2 absolutely blew the Xbox out of the water in the RPG department both East & West.
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I was never a fan of the Xbox. Their games might have been shinier, but the quality of titles was lacking for a person like myself that plays RPGs. Also, playing something like Soul Calibur II was a pain due to the controller being the size of a whopper. Nowadays, the only thing good about any form of Xbox is that Tales of Vesperia was released on one of them. It figures that the PlayStation 3 would get the superior version of it.
You mean Jrpgs right>?
I'm not sure what you're saying. The PS3 does have a better selection of RPGs, that's for sure.
They were talking about PS2/Xbox. While Xbox had the Knights of the Old Republic games and Jade Empire which were fantastic, the PS2 absolutely blew the Xbox out of the water in the RPG department both East & West.
JRPGs, absolutely PS2 is better. Action-RPGs, nope, not a contest. Morrowind alone puts Xbox over in that department, and then there's a whole other string of games (see my list in my post on the first page of this thread).
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Uhm...You do realize that Both Dark Alliance games, Demon Stone, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and X-Men Legends 1 & 2 were all on the PS2 as well, right? And I'm not taking personal taste into account, but Azurik was panned by like, everyone?
So exclusive-wise, you are left with:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Dungeons & Dragon: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
-Fable
-Jade Empire
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
I think PS2 pretty much crushed Xbox in the RPG department. But again, that's just my personal opinion.
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Uhm...You do realize that Both Dark Alliance games, Demon Stone, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and X-Men Legends 1 & 2 were all on the PS2 as well, right? And I'm not taking personal taste into account, but Azurik was panned by like, everyone?
So exclusive-wise, you are left with:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Dungeons & Dragon: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
-Fable
-Jade Empire
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
I think PS2 pretty much crushed Xbox in the RPG department. But again, that's just my personal opinion.
You said "blew the Xbox out of the water in the RPG department both East & West". That's a bold statement to make. Especially since that's still more action-RPGs than PS2.
And you say "you are left with" as if those are bad games or something. Fable, Star Wars KOTOR, and Morrowind are 3 of the greatest RPGs or even games of that generation. Morrowind alone was a game with a depth and size that not a single PS2 action-RPG could come close to. You can put 100 hours into it and still be finding new content.
Like I said, JRPGs are one thing. With the FFs, Tales of, Star Ocean, and on and on, XBox was completely shut out. But PS2 didn't touch XBox in the action-RPGs.
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Uhm...You do realize that Both Dark Alliance games, Demon Stone, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and X-Men Legends 1 & 2 were all on the PS2 as well, right? And I'm not taking personal taste into account, but Azurik was panned by like, everyone?
So exclusive-wise, you are left with:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Dungeons & Dragon: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
-Fable
-Jade Empire
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
I think PS2 pretty much crushed Xbox in the RPG department. But again, that's just my personal opinion.
You said "blew the Xbox out of the water in the RPG department both East & West". That's a bold statement to make. Especially since that's still more action-RPGs than PS2.
And you say "you are left with" as if those are bad games or something. Fable, Star Wars KOTOR, and Morrowind are 3 of the greatest RPGs or even games of that generation. Morrowind alone was a game with a depth and size that not a single PS2 action-RPG could come close to. You can put 100 hours into it and still be finding new content.
Like I said, JRPGs are one thing. With the FFs, Tales of, Star Ocean, and on and on, XBox was completely shut out. But PS2 didn't touch XBox in the action-RPGs.
I meant no insult with "you are left with." It was more or less to say that half the games you listed are available on the PS2 as well. You also neglect PS2 action-RPG's like Champions of Norath, Champions: Return to Arms, Deus Ex and King's Field 4 which all fit the bill for your type of RPG...and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find you several more if I had the time. So, just off the top of my head, you have a whopping FOUR more action RPG's and you already admit that as far as traditional RPG's go, the Xbox was completely shut-out.
I'm not going to try and take anything away for the Knights games or Jade Empire. Those are golden. Fable some like, some don't and Azurik is a plain POS. And regardless of taste, I'm sure that with the literally HUNDREDS of RPG's released for the PS2, even the most discerning Xbox fan could find a dozen or more that they thought was great.
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Uhm...You do realize that Both Dark Alliance games, Demon Stone, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and X-Men Legends 1 & 2 were all on the PS2 as well, right? And I'm not taking personal taste into account, but Azurik was panned by like, everyone?
So exclusive-wise, you are left with:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Dungeons & Dragon: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
-Fable
-Jade Empire
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
I think PS2 pretty much crushed Xbox in the RPG department. But again, that's just my personal opinion.
You said "blew the Xbox out of the water in the RPG department both East & West". That's a bold statement to make. Especially since that's still more action-RPGs than PS2.
And you say "you are left with" as if those are bad games or something. Fable, Star Wars KOTOR, and Morrowind are 3 of the greatest RPGs or even games of that generation. Morrowind alone was a game with a depth and size that not a single PS2 action-RPG could come close to. You can put 100 hours into it and still be finding new content.
Like I said, JRPGs are one thing. With the FFs, Tales of, Star Ocean, and on and on, XBox was completely shut out. But PS2 didn't touch XBox in the action-RPGs.
I meant no insult with "you are left with." It was more or less to say that half the games you listed are available on the PS2 as well. You also neglect PS2 action-RPG's like Champions of Norath, Champions: Return to Arms, Deus Ex and King's Field 4 which all fit the bill for your type of RPG...and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find you several more if I had the time. So, just off the top of my head, you have a whopping FOUR more action RPG's and you already admit that as far as traditional RPG's go, the Xbox was completely shut-out.
I'm not going to try and take anything away for the Knights games or Jade Empire. Those are golden. Fable some like, some don't and Azurik is a plain POS. And regardless of taste, I'm sure that with the literally HUNDREDS of RPG's released for the PS2, even the most discerning Xbox fan could find a dozen or more that they thought was great.
You're completely ignoring the point I've been making since the beginning. I never said Xbox had more "RPGs", since my first post I've been saying PS2 has more JRPGs. I'm saying Xbox has more quality "action-RPGs", specifically those only. The console is known for action-RPGs and FPS. That's why people bought it.
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Uhm...You do realize that Both Dark Alliance games, Demon Stone, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and X-Men Legends 1 & 2 were all on the PS2 as well, right? And I'm not taking personal taste into account, but Azurik was panned by like, everyone?
So exclusive-wise, you are left with:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Dungeons & Dragon: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
-Fable
-Jade Empire
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
I think PS2 pretty much crushed Xbox in the RPG department. But again, that's just my personal opinion.
You said "blew the Xbox out of the water in the RPG department both East & West". That's a bold statement to make. Especially since that's still more action-RPGs than PS2.
And you say "you are left with" as if those are bad games or something. Fable, Star Wars KOTOR, and Morrowind are 3 of the greatest RPGs or even games of that generation. Morrowind alone was a game with a depth and size that not a single PS2 action-RPG could come close to. You can put 100 hours into it and still be finding new content.
Like I said, JRPGs are one thing. With the FFs, Tales of, Star Ocean, and on and on, XBox was completely shut out. But PS2 didn't touch XBox in the action-RPGs.
I meant no insult with "you are left with." It was more or less to say that half the games you listed are available on the PS2 as well. You also neglect PS2 action-RPG's like Champions of Norath, Champions: Return to Arms, Deus Ex and King's Field 4 which all fit the bill for your type of RPG...and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find you several more if I had the time. So, just off the top of my head, you have a whopping FOUR more action RPG's and you already admit that as far as traditional RPG's go, the Xbox was completely shut-out.
I'm not going to try and take anything away for the Knights games or Jade Empire. Those are golden. Fable some like, some don't and Azurik is a plain POS. And regardless of taste, I'm sure that with the literally HUNDREDS of RPG's released for the PS2, even the most discerning Xbox fan could find a dozen or more that they thought was great.
You're completely ignoring the point I've been making since the beginning. I never said Xbox had more "RPGs", since my first post I've been saying PS2 has more JRPGs. I'm saying Xbox has more quality "action-RPGs", specifically those only. The console is known for action-RPGs and FPS. That's why people bought it.
I'm not ignoring your point. I listed four PS2-exclusive action RPG's off the top of my head without even looking anything up on a list. If no other single action RPG existed on the PS2 which is highly doubtful, the Xbox action RPG list you made means the Xbox only had four more action RPG's than the PS2. Again, this is highly doubtful given that literally thousands of games were released at retail for the PS2. So my point stands.
In addition, six of those eight Xbox action RPG exclusives in your list are available on the PC. So if you want to talk truly exclusive, Xbox has two truly exclusive titles from your action RPG list which are Azurik and Dungeons & Dragons Heroes, whereas the PS2 had three truly exclusive action RPG titles in the form of Champions of Norath, Champions Return to Arms and King's Field 4.
Azurik for Xbox: A turd that X-play rated "the 3rd worst game on Xbox" and has pretty bad review scores altogether.
Dungeons & Dragons Heroes for Xbox: 6.6 rating..can't look up Metacritic at work
Champions of Norath for PS2: 85.2% Metacritic average according to Wikipedia
Champions: Return to Arms for the PS2: can't look up Metacritic. again...at work.
King's Field 4 for the PS2: 6.5/10 from Game Informer
Just as well, the notion that the only place to play good FPS is on Xbox is a misnomer. Completely untrue. I stick with my notion that after 14 years & 3 consoles, I hate Xbox.
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Not sure why this topic popped up today but I approve of this message.
Ive been the driver of the fuck Microshaft bus for years. Glad to see another passenger climb aboard.
Buddy, I climbed about permanently back in March 2014 when Microsoft decided they knew what was best for gamers which just happened to be intrusive DRM, no loaning/trading/selling your own games, mandatory online, mandatory Kinect and whatever other bile they spewed. ;)
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I thought Fable was a mess, at least from what I played of it. The Xbox may have had...shinier(?) action RPGs, but the ones for the PS2 were more fun.
Also, the PS2 had Shinobi and Nightshade. <3
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Uhm...You do realize that Both Dark Alliance games, Demon Stone, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and X-Men Legends 1 & 2 were all on the PS2 as well, right? And I'm not taking personal taste into account, but Azurik was panned by like, everyone?
So exclusive-wise, you are left with:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Dungeons & Dragon: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
-Fable
-Jade Empire
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
I think PS2 pretty much crushed Xbox in the RPG department. But again, that's just my personal opinion.
You said "blew the Xbox out of the water in the RPG department both East & West". That's a bold statement to make. Especially since that's still more action-RPGs than PS2.
And you say "you are left with" as if those are bad games or something. Fable, Star Wars KOTOR, and Morrowind are 3 of the greatest RPGs or even games of that generation. Morrowind alone was a game with a depth and size that not a single PS2 action-RPG could come close to. You can put 100 hours into it and still be finding new content.
Like I said, JRPGs are one thing. With the FFs, Tales of, Star Ocean, and on and on, XBox was completely shut out. But PS2 didn't touch XBox in the action-RPGs.
I meant no insult with "you are left with." It was more or less to say that half the games you listed are available on the PS2 as well. You also neglect PS2 action-RPG's like Champions of Norath, Champions: Return to Arms, Deus Ex and King's Field 4 which all fit the bill for your type of RPG...and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find you several more if I had the time. So, just off the top of my head, you have a whopping FOUR more action RPG's and you already admit that as far as traditional RPG's go, the Xbox was completely shut-out.
I'm not going to try and take anything away for the Knights games or Jade Empire. Those are golden. Fable some like, some don't and Azurik is a plain POS. And regardless of taste, I'm sure that with the literally HUNDREDS of RPG's released for the PS2, even the most discerning Xbox fan could find a dozen or more that they thought was great.
You're completely ignoring the point I've been making since the beginning. I never said Xbox had more "RPGs", since my first post I've been saying PS2 has more JRPGs. I'm saying Xbox has more quality "action-RPGs", specifically those only. The console is known for action-RPGs and FPS. That's why people bought it.
I'm not ignoring your point. I listed four PS2-exclusive action RPG's off the top of my head without even looking anything up on a list. If no other single action RPG existed on the PS2 which is highly doubtful, the Xbox action RPG list you made means the Xbox only had four more action RPG's than the PS2. Again, this is highly doubtful given that literally thousands of games were released at retail for the PS2. So my point stands.
In addition, six of those eight Xbox action RPG exclusives in your list are available on the PC. So if you want to talk truly exclusive, Xbox has two truly exclusive titles from your action RPG list which are Azurik and Dungeons & Dragons Heroes, whereas the PS2 had three truly exclusive action RPG titles in the form of Champions of Norath, Champions Return to Arms and King's Field 4.
Azurik for Xbox: A turd that X-play rated "the 3rd worst game on Xbox" and has pretty bad review scores altogether.
Dungeons & Dragons Heroes for Xbox: 6.6 rating..can't look up Metacritic at work
Champions of Norath for PS2: 85.2% Metacritic average according to Wikipedia
Champions: Return to Arms for the PS2: can't look up Metacritic. again...at work.
King's Field 4 for the PS2: 6.5/10 from Game Informer
Just as well, the notion that the only place to play good FPS is on Xbox is a misnomer. Completely untrue. I stick with my notion that after 14 years & 3 consoles, I hate Xbox.
I never said PS2 was the only place to find them, did I? I said people bought XBoxes for action-RPGs and FPS.
But here's a more expanded list for you that I can think of, I just listed the ones I owned in my original list:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2
-The Bard's Tale
-Demon Stone
-Digimon 4
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
-Fable
-Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
-Jade Empire
-Justice League: Heroes
-Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
-Marvel Ultimate Alliance
-Morrowind (and this game alone puts Xbox's action-RPGs in a league ahead of PS2, not a single game in it's library can touch it's size and scope)
-Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-Sudeki
-X-Men Legends 1 & 2
...but all those games just sucked, huh? You're not in a blind denial about action-RPGs because you hate Xbox, huh?
Not liking Xbox is one thing, that's your opinion. But give the devil it's due. It's a well-known fact that Xbox was sold on action-RPGs and FPS, it's not just a personal opinion. If those genres aren't your cup of tea, that's fine with me. But I do like action-RPGs and that was most-definitely a selling point on the system for me and my buddies (well, that and being able to play Halo against each other).
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Uhm...You do realize that Both Dark Alliance games, Demon Stone, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and X-Men Legends 1 & 2 were all on the PS2 as well, right? And I'm not taking personal taste into account, but Azurik was panned by like, everyone?
So exclusive-wise, you are left with:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Dungeons & Dragon: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
-Fable
-Jade Empire
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
I think PS2 pretty much crushed Xbox in the RPG department. But again, that's just my personal opinion.
You said "blew the Xbox out of the water in the RPG department both East & West". That's a bold statement to make. Especially since that's still more action-RPGs than PS2.
And you say "you are left with" as if those are bad games or something. Fable, Star Wars KOTOR, and Morrowind are 3 of the greatest RPGs or even games of that generation. Morrowind alone was a game with a depth and size that not a single PS2 action-RPG could come close to. You can put 100 hours into it and still be finding new content.
Like I said, JRPGs are one thing. With the FFs, Tales of, Star Ocean, and on and on, XBox was completely shut out. But PS2 didn't touch XBox in the action-RPGs.
I meant no insult with "you are left with." It was more or less to say that half the games you listed are available on the PS2 as well. You also neglect PS2 action-RPG's like Champions of Norath, Champions: Return to Arms, Deus Ex and King's Field 4 which all fit the bill for your type of RPG...and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find you several more if I had the time. So, just off the top of my head, you have a whopping FOUR more action RPG's and you already admit that as far as traditional RPG's go, the Xbox was completely shut-out.
I'm not going to try and take anything away for the Knights games or Jade Empire. Those are golden. Fable some like, some don't and Azurik is a plain POS. And regardless of taste, I'm sure that with the literally HUNDREDS of RPG's released for the PS2, even the most discerning Xbox fan could find a dozen or more that they thought was great.
You're completely ignoring the point I've been making since the beginning. I never said Xbox had more "RPGs", since my first post I've been saying PS2 has more JRPGs. I'm saying Xbox has more quality "action-RPGs", specifically those only. The console is known for action-RPGs and FPS. That's why people bought it.
I'm not ignoring your point. I listed four PS2-exclusive action RPG's off the top of my head without even looking anything up on a list. If no other single action RPG existed on the PS2 which is highly doubtful, the Xbox action RPG list you made means the Xbox only had four more action RPG's than the PS2. Again, this is highly doubtful given that literally thousands of games were released at retail for the PS2. So my point stands.
In addition, six of those eight Xbox action RPG exclusives in your list are available on the PC. So if you want to talk truly exclusive, Xbox has two truly exclusive titles from your action RPG list which are Azurik and Dungeons & Dragons Heroes, whereas the PS2 had three truly exclusive action RPG titles in the form of Champions of Norath, Champions Return to Arms and King's Field 4.
Azurik for Xbox: A turd that X-play rated "the 3rd worst game on Xbox" and has pretty bad review scores altogether.
Dungeons & Dragons Heroes for Xbox: 6.6 rating..can't look up Metacritic at work
Champions of Norath for PS2: 85.2% Metacritic average according to Wikipedia
Champions: Return to Arms for the PS2: can't look up Metacritic. again...at work.
King's Field 4 for the PS2: 6.5/10 from Game Informer
Just as well, the notion that the only place to play good FPS is on Xbox is a misnomer. Completely untrue. I stick with my notion that after 14 years & 3 consoles, I hate Xbox.
I never said PS2 was the only place to find them, did I? I said people bought XBoxes for action-RPGs and FPS.
But here's a more expanded list for you that I can think of, I just listed the ones I owned in my original list:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2
-The Bard's Tale
-Demon Stone
-Digimon 4
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
-Fable
-Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
-Jade Empire
-Justice League: Heroes
-Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
-Marvel Ultimate Alliance
-Morrowind (and this game alone puts Xbox's action-RPGs in a league ahead of PS2, not a single game in it's library can touch it's size and scope)
-Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-Sudeki
-X-Men Legends 1 & 2
...but all those games just sucked, huh? You're not in a blind denial about action-RPGs because you hate Xbox, huh?
Not liking Xbox is one thing, that's your opinion. But give the devil it's due. It's a well-known fact that Xbox was sold on action-RPGs and FPS, it's not just a personal opinion. If those genres aren't your cup of tea, that's fine with me. But I do like action-RPGs and that was most-definitely a selling point on the system for me and my buddies (well, that and being able to play Halo against each other).
Dude, first please calm down. I'm not trying to get you riled up or troll. We are having a nice discussion. I didn't say all those games sucked. Azurik sucked and that's a fact and the Dungeons and Dragons Heroes game was good but nothing special. If you liked it, great I'm happy for you.
I gave "the devil it's due" by saying I agree on Morrowind and the Bioware games being golden. Did I not say that? I also never said those genres were not to my liking and in fact, until Halo 4 I was a HUGE Halo fanatic. You added eight games to your list of action RPG's on the Xbox and only one of those is an Xbox exclusive. So we are still in the same boat for number of action RPG releases per system.
And on a final note, Microsoft sold 24 million Xbox consoles to consumers while Sony sold 155 million PS2 consoles to consumers. But that is all irrelevant. The fact is-as I pointed out in my initial post-that Microsoft has made a habit of screwing gamers over and as soon as they thought they were in a position of power, drove it straight up gamers collective asses. Or did you believe their unfriendly, consumer-hostile policies they laid out during the Xbox One announcement was a good thing?
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Oh, and the fact that my original Xbox crapped out on me. And that the 360 was a colossal hunk of poorly engineered junk. And that the Xbox One is the weakest system spec-wise and it shows?
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Uhm...You do realize that Both Dark Alliance games, Demon Stone, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and X-Men Legends 1 & 2 were all on the PS2 as well, right? And I'm not taking personal taste into account, but Azurik was panned by like, everyone?
So exclusive-wise, you are left with:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Dungeons & Dragon: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
-Fable
-Jade Empire
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
I think PS2 pretty much crushed Xbox in the RPG department. But again, that's just my personal opinion.
You said "blew the Xbox out of the water in the RPG department both East & West". That's a bold statement to make. Especially since that's still more action-RPGs than PS2.
And you say "you are left with" as if those are bad games or something. Fable, Star Wars KOTOR, and Morrowind are 3 of the greatest RPGs or even games of that generation. Morrowind alone was a game with a depth and size that not a single PS2 action-RPG could come close to. You can put 100 hours into it and still be finding new content.
Like I said, JRPGs are one thing. With the FFs, Tales of, Star Ocean, and on and on, XBox was completely shut out. But PS2 didn't touch XBox in the action-RPGs.
I meant no insult with "you are left with." It was more or less to say that half the games you listed are available on the PS2 as well. You also neglect PS2 action-RPG's like Champions of Norath, Champions: Return to Arms, Deus Ex and King's Field 4 which all fit the bill for your type of RPG...and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find you several more if I had the time. So, just off the top of my head, you have a whopping FOUR more action RPG's and you already admit that as far as traditional RPG's go, the Xbox was completely shut-out.
I'm not going to try and take anything away for the Knights games or Jade Empire. Those are golden. Fable some like, some don't and Azurik is a plain POS. And regardless of taste, I'm sure that with the literally HUNDREDS of RPG's released for the PS2, even the most discerning Xbox fan could find a dozen or more that they thought was great.
You're completely ignoring the point I've been making since the beginning. I never said Xbox had more "RPGs", since my first post I've been saying PS2 has more JRPGs. I'm saying Xbox has more quality "action-RPGs", specifically those only. The console is known for action-RPGs and FPS. That's why people bought it.
I'm not ignoring your point. I listed four PS2-exclusive action RPG's off the top of my head without even looking anything up on a list. If no other single action RPG existed on the PS2 which is highly doubtful, the Xbox action RPG list you made means the Xbox only had four more action RPG's than the PS2. Again, this is highly doubtful given that literally thousands of games were released at retail for the PS2. So my point stands.
In addition, six of those eight Xbox action RPG exclusives in your list are available on the PC. So if you want to talk truly exclusive, Xbox has two truly exclusive titles from your action RPG list which are Azurik and Dungeons & Dragons Heroes, whereas the PS2 had three truly exclusive action RPG titles in the form of Champions of Norath, Champions Return to Arms and King's Field 4.
Azurik for Xbox: A turd that X-play rated "the 3rd worst game on Xbox" and has pretty bad review scores altogether.
Dungeons & Dragons Heroes for Xbox: 6.6 rating..can't look up Metacritic at work
Champions of Norath for PS2: 85.2% Metacritic average according to Wikipedia
Champions: Return to Arms for the PS2: can't look up Metacritic. again...at work.
King's Field 4 for the PS2: 6.5/10 from Game Informer
Just as well, the notion that the only place to play good FPS is on Xbox is a misnomer. Completely untrue. I stick with my notion that after 14 years & 3 consoles, I hate Xbox.
I never said PS2 was the only place to find them, did I? I said people bought XBoxes for action-RPGs and FPS.
But here's a more expanded list for you that I can think of, I just listed the ones I owned in my original list:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2
-The Bard's Tale
-Demon Stone
-Digimon 4
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
-Fable
-Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
-Jade Empire
-Justice League: Heroes
-Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
-Marvel Ultimate Alliance
-Morrowind (and this game alone puts Xbox's action-RPGs in a league ahead of PS2, not a single game in it's library can touch it's size and scope)
-Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-Sudeki
-X-Men Legends 1 & 2
...but all those games just sucked, huh? You're not in a blind denial about action-RPGs because you hate Xbox, huh?
Not liking Xbox is one thing, that's your opinion. But give the devil it's due. It's a well-known fact that Xbox was sold on action-RPGs and FPS, it's not just a personal opinion. If those genres aren't your cup of tea, that's fine with me. But I do like action-RPGs and that was most-definitely a selling point on the system for me and my buddies (well, that and being able to play Halo against each other).
Meh, almost all of those got PS2 releases & some of them were tri-plat, and came out on the GC too.
I've *never* seen/heard anyone other than you say and/or think that *any* M$ system had more and/or better RPGs (of any kind), than its competing Sony system.
I don't hate the original XBox or the 360 (M$ really *did* reinforce my dislike, disinterest, & apathy for them as a serious/legitimate company & competitor, though), with their "vision" & their intentions of, what the exBone would be, do, not do, allow, restrict, and how - in M$' perfect little world - it would work and operate, if they had their druthers. ???
Even though I very much prefer Sony over M$, I'll still admit, acknowledge, and give some credit where credit is due - and concede that there were indeed - games/types of games that M$ has had more of --and-- there were/are types of games that, historically, M$ has done better & done more justice to, than Sony ever did.
You are right though - in that - we're all entitled to our own opinions & preferences here and, that what anyone & everyone here chooses to love, hate, and/or ignore...means nothing to me and, bothers & affects me, not even an iota's iota of an iota; my advice to all would be to keep on playing whatever they like, on whatever system they like, wherever & whenever they like ;D
*BUT*
Your statements about the number of (here - I won't even bother mentioning or considering the 'quality' of the games, as that *IS* objective, and is *NOT* factual)...
...kinda' like your statements & assertions concerning the ("Action" even, if you like:), RPG libraries of the PS2 vs. the original Xbox - the Xbox did not and does not have more/better RPG's (with any prefix) than the PS2.
*This* is not objective, and this IS factual; next time - pretty please, with a kinect on top, do some more research, fact checking, and comparisons...before posting inaccurate + unsubstantiated opinions & wishes as facts.
mmmkay? ;)
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I will admit that I still do have my original ex-box and I have Morrowind and D&D heroes. Morrowind single handedly was the reason my ex left me. I was obsessed with playing it with every moment I wasnt at work.
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Uhm...You do realize that Both Dark Alliance games, Demon Stone, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and X-Men Legends 1 & 2 were all on the PS2 as well, right? And I'm not taking personal taste into account, but Azurik was panned by like, everyone?
So exclusive-wise, you are left with:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Dungeons & Dragon: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
-Fable
-Jade Empire
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
I think PS2 pretty much crushed Xbox in the RPG department. But again, that's just my personal opinion.
You said "blew the Xbox out of the water in the RPG department both East & West". That's a bold statement to make. Especially since that's still more action-RPGs than PS2.
And you say "you are left with" as if those are bad games or something. Fable, Star Wars KOTOR, and Morrowind are 3 of the greatest RPGs or even games of that generation. Morrowind alone was a game with a depth and size that not a single PS2 action-RPG could come close to. You can put 100 hours into it and still be finding new content.
Like I said, JRPGs are one thing. With the FFs, Tales of, Star Ocean, and on and on, XBox was completely shut out. But PS2 didn't touch XBox in the action-RPGs.
I meant no insult with "you are left with." It was more or less to say that half the games you listed are available on the PS2 as well. You also neglect PS2 action-RPG's like Champions of Norath, Champions: Return to Arms, Deus Ex and King's Field 4 which all fit the bill for your type of RPG...and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find you several more if I had the time. So, just off the top of my head, you have a whopping FOUR more action RPG's and you already admit that as far as traditional RPG's go, the Xbox was completely shut-out.
I'm not going to try and take anything away for the Knights games or Jade Empire. Those are golden. Fable some like, some don't and Azurik is a plain POS. And regardless of taste, I'm sure that with the literally HUNDREDS of RPG's released for the PS2, even the most discerning Xbox fan could find a dozen or more that they thought was great.
You're completely ignoring the point I've been making since the beginning. I never said Xbox had more "RPGs", since my first post I've been saying PS2 has more JRPGs. I'm saying Xbox has more quality "action-RPGs", specifically those only. The console is known for action-RPGs and FPS. That's why people bought it.
I'm not ignoring your point. I listed four PS2-exclusive action RPG's off the top of my head without even looking anything up on a list. If no other single action RPG existed on the PS2 which is highly doubtful, the Xbox action RPG list you made means the Xbox only had four more action RPG's than the PS2. Again, this is highly doubtful given that literally thousands of games were released at retail for the PS2. So my point stands.
In addition, six of those eight Xbox action RPG exclusives in your list are available on the PC. So if you want to talk truly exclusive, Xbox has two truly exclusive titles from your action RPG list which are Azurik and Dungeons & Dragons Heroes, whereas the PS2 had three truly exclusive action RPG titles in the form of Champions of Norath, Champions Return to Arms and King's Field 4.
Azurik for Xbox: A turd that X-play rated "the 3rd worst game on Xbox" and has pretty bad review scores altogether.
Dungeons & Dragons Heroes for Xbox: 6.6 rating..can't look up Metacritic at work
Champions of Norath for PS2: 85.2% Metacritic average according to Wikipedia
Champions: Return to Arms for the PS2: can't look up Metacritic. again...at work.
King's Field 4 for the PS2: 6.5/10 from Game Informer
Just as well, the notion that the only place to play good FPS is on Xbox is a misnomer. Completely untrue. I stick with my notion that after 14 years & 3 consoles, I hate Xbox.
I never said PS2 was the only place to find them, did I? I said people bought XBoxes for action-RPGs and FPS.
But here's a more expanded list for you that I can think of, I just listed the ones I owned in my original list:
-Arx Fatalis
-Azurik
-Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2
-The Bard's Tale
-Demon Stone
-Digimon 4
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
-Fable
-Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
-Jade Empire
-Justice League: Heroes
-Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
-Marvel Ultimate Alliance
-Morrowind (and this game alone puts Xbox's action-RPGs in a league ahead of PS2, not a single game in it's library can touch it's size and scope)
-Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-Sudeki
-X-Men Legends 1 & 2
...but all those games just sucked, huh? You're not in a blind denial about action-RPGs because you hate Xbox, huh?
Not liking Xbox is one thing, that's your opinion. But give the devil it's due. It's a well-known fact that Xbox was sold on action-RPGs and FPS, it's not just a personal opinion. If those genres aren't your cup of tea, that's fine with me. But I do like action-RPGs and that was most-definitely a selling point on the system for me and my buddies (well, that and being able to play Halo against each other).
Meh, almost all of those got PS2 releases & some of them were tri-plat, and came out on the GC too.
I've *never* seen/heard anyone other than you say and/or think that *any* M$ system had more and/or better RPGs (of any kind), than its competing Sony system.
I don't hate the original XBox or the 360 (M$ really *did* reinforce my dislike, disinterest, & apathy for them as a serious/legitimate company & competitor, though), with their "vision" & their intentions of, what the exBone would be, do, not do, allow, restrict, and how - in M$' perfect little world - it would work and operate, if they had their druthers. ???
Even though I very much prefer Sony over M$, I'll still admit, acknowledge, and give some credit where credit is due - and concede that there were indeed - games/types of games that M$ has had more of --and-- there were/are types of games that, historically, M$ has done better & done more justice to, than Sony ever did.
You are right though - in that - we're all entitled to our own opinions & preferences here and, that what anyone & everyone here chooses to love, hate, and/or ignore...means nothing to me and, bothers & affects me, not even an iota's iota of an iota; my advice to all would be to keep on playing whatever they like, on whatever system they like, wherever & whenever they like ;D
*BUT*
Your statements about the number of (here - I won't even bother mentioning or considering the 'quality' of the games, as that *IS* objective, and is *NOT* factual)...
...kinda' like your statements & assertions concerning the ("Action" even, if you like:), RPG libraries of the PS2 vs. the original Xbox - the Xbox did not and does not have more/better RPG's (with any prefix) than the PS2.
*This* is not objective, and this IS factual; next time - pretty please, with a kinect on top, do some more research, fact checking, and comparisons...before posting inaccurate + unsubstantiated opinions & wishes as facts.
mmmkay? ;)
Then please, show us the list of all these great action-RPGs on PS2 that are better than XBox. Even a single game in PS2's library that comes close to the scope of Morrowind. And again, like I keep having to point out like EVERY SINGLE POST IN THIS THREAD!!!, never did I say or insinuate that it has more or better RPGs in general than PS2, I'm focusing on the non-JRPGs only and have been since the first time someone said that Xbox is crap for RPGs. It's not crap for RPGs unless you're just the type that only plays anime-style RPGs. It's fan-freaking-tastic for people that enjoy RPGs of the Western variety.
And please, like this entire thread isn't just an opinion on how much you guys want to crap on Xbox. If you guys can't admit that it had good action-RPGs, then you guys really are that stubborn and blind towards a console no matter how much you want to deny it. There's plenty of exclusives in that list. Plenty that are DAMN GOOD.
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I think this thread needs a few more "IMOs" to tone down the frustration. XD
Morrowind might have been a great game, but it doesn't make it the Xbox's ace in the hole for having better action RPGs. I never tried Jade Empire, but it was anything like Fable I have no intention of doing so.
IMO.
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I've come to the conclusion long ago that the Xbox just isn't for me. Granted, I did come in fairly late, but there isn't much that interests me.
As an example:
I own two original xboxes (both given to me for free) and one game. I have yet to find a reason to keep it hooked up.
I own a Star Wars Xbox 360 that was a gift. I own like 5 games, two of which came with the console. Again, I can't find much that interests me. However, I have many downloadable games from Xbox Live, so there is that.
By comparison, I own several Wii and WiiU games, I'm just a Nintendo and Atari kind of guy (old). That's not me being a fanboy or anything like that. It's just something I came to realize about my tastes.
I should also mention that I haven't owned a Playstation since my PS2. Again, I see no reason for me to buy a PS3 or PS4. Just not my cup of tea.
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Just to be clear for everyone, I don't hate PS2. I just don't think the Xbox deserves a lot of the hate it receives. And I feel that the Xbox being crap for RPGs just isn't true, if you like action-RPGs.
But PS2 has some amazing JRPGs. Legaia 2: Duel-Saga is an undersung gem. I just started getting into the stellar Dragon Quest VIII. And I adore King's Field: The Ancient City (which is an action-RPG), as I do the rest of that series. I never was big into the FF series, though.
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We get it.
Morrowind was great.
So was KotOR.
And, from what I've heard - Jade Empire's good & Fable's a love it or hate it kind of game.
That's about it, though.
When it comes to Xbox RPG's - that's about it.
Off of the top of my head, PS2 also had:
Dark Cloud,
Dark (Chronicle) Cloud 2,
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 and 2,
Steambot Chronicles,
Ephemeral Fantasia, ;)
both Raido Kuzonoa Devil Summoner games,
Baroque,
Dawn of Mana,
Front Mission 4,
Gladius,
Grandia Xtreme,
2 or 3 Growlanser games,
King's Field,
Magna Carta,
Okage: Shadow King,
Rogue Galaxy,
at least 3 different 'Shining' games,
2 Summoner games,
Tales of the Abyss & Legendia,
Legend of Legaia,
Bard's Tale,
LotR 3rd Age,
Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria,
2(?) Phantasy Star games, and
Odin Sphere...
off of the top of my head, for some ARPG's.
No, most of your list weren't exclusives -
and...
No.
Xbox wouldn't have been the go-to console (even for the ARPG's that you keep bringing up) for RPG's of any variety.
It would have, however - been the go-to console for RPG fans who wanted to play the 3 or 4 Big/very good & well received ARPG's, that the PS2 didn't get :P
IMO 8)
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We get it.
Morrowind was great.
So was KotOR.
And, from what I've heard - Jade Empire's good & Fable's a love it or hate it kind of game.
That's about it, though.
When it comes to Xbox RPG's - that's about it.
Off of the top of my head, PS2 also had:
Dark Cloud,
Dark (Chronicle) Cloud 2,
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 and 2,
Steambot Chronicles,
Ephemeral Fantasia, ;) <3
both Raido Kuzonoa Devil Summoner games,
Baroque,
Dawn of Mana,
Front Mission 4,
Gladius,
Grandia Xtreme,
2 or 3 Growlanser games,
King's Field,
Magna Carta,
Okage: Shadow King,
Rogue Galaxy,
at least 3 different 'Shining' games,
2 Summoner games,
Tales of the Abyss & Legendia,
Legaia 2: Duel Saga,
Bard's Tale,
LotR 3rd Age,
Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria,
2(?) Phantasy Star games, and
Odin Sphere...
off of the top of my head, for some ARPG's.
No, most of your list weren't exclusives -
and...
No.
Xbox wouldn't have been the go-to console (even for the ARPG's that you keep bringing up) for RPG's of any variety.
It would have, however - been the go-to console for RPG fans who wanted to play the 3 or 4 Big/very good & well received ARPG's, that the PS2 didn't get :P
IMO 8)
Fixed that for you. And let's not forget Dual Hearts.
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We get it.
Morrowind was great.
So was KotOR.
And, from what I've heard - Jade Empire's good & Fable's a love it or hate it kind of game.
That's about it, though.
When it comes to Xbox RPG's - that's about it.
Off of the top of my head, PS2 also had:
Dark Cloud,
Dark (Chronicle) Cloud 2,
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 and 2,
Steambot Chronicles,
Ephemeral Fantasia, ;)
both Raido Kuzonoa Devil Summoner games,
Baroque,
Dawn of Mana,
Front Mission 4,
Gladius,
Grandia Xtreme,
2 or 3 Growlanser games,
King's Field,
Magna Carta,
Okage: Shadow King,
Rogue Galaxy,
at least 3 different 'Shining' games,
2 Summoner games,
Tales of the Abyss & Legendia,
Legend of Legaia,
Bard's Tale,
LotR 3rd Age,
Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria,
2(?) Phantasy Star games, and
Odin Sphere...
off of the top of my head, for some ARPG's.
No, most of your list weren't exclusives -
and...
No.
Xbox wouldn't have been the go-to console (even for the ARPG's that you keep bringing up) for RPG's of any variety.
It would have, however - been the go-to console for RPG fans who wanted to play the 3 or 4 Big/very good & well received ARPG's, that the PS2 didn't get :P
IMO 8)
I stand corrected on the amount of PS2 action-RPGs, I didn't even know about some of those. I simply don't do strategy games, so I completely left those out. I did the same with strategy games on the XBox side of things too, though.
But I'm not gonna concede on the quality of the action-RPGs on XBox, especially to someone that says they only "heard" about which ones were good or not.
Let me point out some good XBox exclusive RPGs since you think only 3 exist worth playing:
-Arx Fatalis - If you like Ultima: Underworld, you'll love this modern-update of that gameplay.
-Blackstone & Magic - Another Diablo clone, but I love those.
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes - Hack-n-slash RPG in the vein of Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance. Very addicting.
-Fable - When the game came out, it was one of the most ambitious games ever made. The world is highly-detailed and interactive. There's so much to do to keep you busy. And you can get very unique and personal in how your character looks and acts. I'm not sure where the "love it or hate it" is coming from. Obviously not EVERYONE is gonna like any single game. But I'd think scores in the 9s means it was generally well-received by most people.
-Jade Empire - Quite unique in it's setting and gameplay. Focuses on Feudal China as well as martial arts and mystical arts. It has a great morality system, too.
-Morrowind - Best RPG of that generation, bar-none, IMO. I put hour upon hours upon hours into that game, and there was still plenty of unexplored regions.
-Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2 - Not exclusive, but also not on PS2.
-Shin Megami Tensei Nine - I haven't played this, to tell the truth. But I've heard some fanatic fans of this series.
-Star Wars: KOTOR 1 & 2 - I think we all know about this awesome RPG series. Bioware is awesome.
-Sudeki - An overlooked gem of an action-RPG with a complex battle-system and very soft and pleasing graphics.
And since you seem so hung on exclusives and all, you realize you're list has games also on XBox, too, right?
-Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2
-Bard's Tale
-Gladius
-Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
In the end, I think we both come from two completely different tastes in RPGs. You seem to enjoy Japanese-style RPGs and strategy-RPGs. I seem to gear towards hack-n-slash and action-RPGs like Baldur's Gate, Elder Scrolls, and King's Field type games.
But the fact still stands that there's plenty of great action-RPGs on XBox. It is NOT crap for RPGs, unless you are the type looking for JRPGs. A Western-RPG is still an RPG.
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Sudeki? As in, "You can't resist my healing kiss" Sudeki? Dear god...I'm happy you enjoyed that game, but...man I found nothing redeeming about that title. I felt bad that my brother bought it on release day. He did, too.
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Sudeki? As in, "You can't resist my healing kiss" Sudeki? Dear god...I'm happy you enjoyed that game, but...man I found nothing redeeming about that title. I felt bad that my brother bought it on release day. He did, too.
lol, yeah, the game was a bit sexist.
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How quickly people forget this is all opinion and start counting numbers and comparing them like there is something to prove. I don't care if it's exclusive or not, Japanese or action, Xbox had a competent RPG department, as well it was more than competent in many other areas. I don't quite buy that you can't find a single good reason to like Xbox. Unless you're the type to say you also hate Nintendo. Some people only like one console because it caters to their specific tastes more than anything else.
Stating that you hate Xbox and then fighting tooth and nail to prove it has not a single RPG good enough for you personally sort of reveals a vendetta. Who wants to admit there is a single redeeming quality to something they've declared they hate? Your story is that you hate it, and now it becomes your mission.
I don't really care if you hate it or not, there is no sense in arguing what someone has already made up their mind about.
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Burning -
I intentionally left quality out as being subjective,
of course I realize that some games on my list weren't PS2 exclusives...I pulled em from your previous list of Xbox games :-[
i don't hate xbox, never said it only had crap games, or - ever even said its rpgs were all crap.
simply pointed out that it didn't outdo the ps2 at all with rpgs
even said it did outdo the ps2 on other fronts, too.
And, honestly - as a long time gamer & collector, I've never even heard of some games on your list :P
I'm thinking that - if you go to any big gaming site and click on
PS2 ===> RPGs ===> Action
and
do the same for xbox...that #'s don't lie
nothing personal, though - not hating the xbox & seeing that, for gamers with different preferences of genres, it would clearly be the better suited console for them than the ps2...just not rpgs ;D
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How quickly people forget this is all opinion and start counting numbers and comparing them like there is something to prove. I don't care if it's exclusive or not, Japanese or action, Xbox had a competent RPG department, as well it was more than competent in many other areas. I don't quite buy that you can't find a single good reason to like Xbox. Unless you're the type to say you also hate Nintendo. Some people only like one console because it caters to their specific tastes more than anything else.
Stating that you hate Xbox and then fighting tooth and nail to prove it has not a single RPG good enough for you personally sort of reveals a vendetta. Who wants to admit there is a single redeeming quality to something they've declared they hate? Your story is that you hate it, and now it becomes your mission.
I don't really care if you hate it or not, there is no sense in arguing what someone has already made up their mind about.
I didn't start the numbers game. I started this thread under "general discussion" to express my own opinions of Microsoft and the Xbox brand. I even said it was an opinion piece and the only time I engaged in a discussion of the quality and quantity of the action RPG's on the system was to point out that many on the list were not exclusive, one of the exclusives was panned by critics and gamers alike and that the Bioware and Morrowind games were golden. So that's what you call praise for good games and criticism for what you don't like. At no time did I fight "tooth & nail" to discredit the games. My personal opinion of Morrowind was that it was a buggy mess with a poor save system, bad collision detection and a boring world. But that's my opinion and obviously the game is loved by many. I didn't like Mario 64 or Zelda Ocarina of Time either but that's neither here nor there.
I don't have a vendetta against Microsoft, but I won't support them and their anti-consumer ways. It's as simple as that. Obviously by the tone of your post, you feel the opposite and seem kinda butthurt by my comments. Burningdoom stated that the Xbox absolutely had the most & best action RPG's of any competing system. We discussed that back and forth. Nothing more, nothing less.
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How quickly people forget this is all opinion and start counting numbers and comparing them like there is something to prove. I don't care if it's exclusive or not, Japanese or action, Xbox had a competent RPG department, as well it was more than competent in many other areas. I don't quite buy that you can't find a single good reason to like Xbox. Unless you're the type to say you also hate Nintendo. Some people only like one console because it caters to their specific tastes more than anything else.
Stating that you hate Xbox and then fighting tooth and nail to prove it has not a single RPG good enough for you personally sort of reveals a vendetta. Who wants to admit there is a single redeeming quality to something they've declared they hate? Your story is that you hate it, and now it becomes your mission.
I don't really care if you hate it or not, there is no sense in arguing what someone has already made up their mind about.
hush now...
...grownups talking here :-X
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Whelp, that made me laugh out loud. XD
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LOL. ;D
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I got it guys!
(http://www.firetrainingcenter.com/images/FireHoseStreams.jpg)
Die flame war! Die
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Whelp, that made me laugh out loud. XD
I owed you one.
or two.
doesn't count unless coffee was nasally expelled, though :P
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Mmm...firemen. They can use their hose on my any day.
@dark: No, no coffee was harmed in the laughing of this comment. XD But it would have been if I were drinking it at the time.
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Mmm...firemen. They can use their hose on my any day.
so feisty,
so fiercely flagrant,
so, (should go w/o saying that) I approve ;D
kashy - memory test, I dunno...a year ago, 2 or 3 years ago - I don't remember *but* you used a word (or a phrase) for/that means
"talking shit"; "talking smack"; etc...something like that - whatever, I remember thinking it cute, kitschy, and I'd never heard it before -
do ya remember what it was/what I'm talking about (maybe it was even "shooting the shit" or "gossiping", or some such...
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Mmm...firemen. They can use their hose on my any day.
so feisty,
so fiercely flagrant,
so, (should go w/o saying that) I approve ;D
kashy - memory test, I dunno...a year ago, 2 or 3 years ago - I don't remember *but* you used a word (or a phrase) for/that means
"talking shit"; "talking smack"; etc...something like that - whatever, I remember thinking it cute, kitschy, and I'd never heard it before -
do ya remember what it was/what I'm talking about (maybe it was even "shooting the shit" or "gossiping", or some such...
I think you're referring to one of my most favorite terms of all time:
Throwing shade.
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Mmm...firemen. They can use their hose on my any day.
so feisty,
so fiercely flagrant,
so, (should go w/o saying that) I approve ;D
kashy - memory test, I dunno...a year ago, 2 or 3 years ago - I don't remember *but* you used a word (or a phrase) for/that means
"talking shit"; "talking smack"; etc...something like that - whatever, I remember thinking it cute, kitschy, and I'd never heard it before -
do ya remember what it was/what I'm talking about (maybe it was even "shooting the shit" or "gossiping", or some such...
I think you're referring to one of my most favorite terms of all time:
Throwing shade.
That's the one!
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Mmm...firemen. They can use their hose on my any day.
so feisty,
so fiercely flagrant,
so, (should go w/o saying that) I approve ;D
kashy - memory test, I dunno...a year ago, 2 or 3 years ago - I don't remember *but* you used a word (or a phrase) for/that means
"talking shit"; "talking smack"; etc...something like that - whatever, I remember thinking it cute, kitschy, and I'd never heard it before -
do ya remember what it was/what I'm talking about (maybe it was even "shooting the shit" or "gossiping", or some such...
I think you're referring to one of my most favorite terms of all time:
Throwing shade.
I keep hearing that phrase all of a sudden. I guess it's caught on. Makes me feel old cause I don't really understand it :(.
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Mmm...firemen. They can use their hose on my any day.
so feisty,
so fiercely flagrant,
so, (should go w/o saying that) I approve ;D
kashy - memory test, I dunno...a year ago, 2 or 3 years ago - I don't remember *but* you used a word (or a phrase) for/that means
"talking shit"; "talking smack"; etc...something like that - whatever, I remember thinking it cute, kitschy, and I'd never heard it before -
do ya remember what it was/what I'm talking about (maybe it was even "shooting the shit" or "gossiping", or some such...
I think you're referring to one of my most favorite terms of all time:
Throwing shade.
I keep hearing that phrase all of a sudden. I guess it's caught on. Makes me feel old cause I don't really understand it :(.
It's been around since (at least) the late 1980s but sort of came back to relevance around 2009. Don't worry, it's not that common of a term in every day life. ^^
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Mmm...firemen. They can use their hose on my any day.
so feisty,
so fiercely flagrant,
so, (should go w/o saying that) I approve ;D
kashy - memory test, I dunno...a year ago, 2 or 3 years ago - I don't remember *but* you used a word (or a phrase) for/that means
"talking shit"; "talking smack"; etc...something like that - whatever, I remember thinking it cute, kitschy, and I'd never heard it before -
do ya remember what it was/what I'm talking about (maybe it was even "shooting the shit" or "gossiping", or some such...
I think you're referring to one of my most favorite terms of all time:
Throwing shade.
I keep hearing that phrase all of a sudden. I guess it's caught on. Makes me feel old cause I don't really understand it :(.
It's been around since (at least) the late 1980s but sort of came back to relevance around 2009. Don't worry, it's not that common of a term in every day life. ^^
Yeahhh I usually only see it on gossip sites. I think I saw it on Jezebel or something lol. Then it popped up in an episode of Parks and Rec. I get the idea, but it seemed out of nowhere when I started hearing it lol.
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I've only ever seen it/heard about it, in one of kashy's posts from a long time ago.
I just remembered the other day that it was *something* but - I didn't know what :o
bobster,
bobster,
bobster,
bobster...
...what in the world are we to make of your post?!
- the only thing worse & less humiliating than going to "gossip" *cringes* sites...
...would have to be:
a). admitting to it publically,
b). knowing the "sites" by *cringes again* name, and wost of all
c). putting it out there, into the public domain - in the permanently, eternal void known as the internet - under *dies a little inside* (close enough to) your real name; that you both frequent said sites AND do so frequently enough to call them by name :-[
*sterilizes keyboard* :P
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I've only ever seen it/heard about it, in one of kashy's posts from a long time ago.
I just remembered the other day that it was *something* but - I didn't know what :o
bobster,
bobster,
bobster,
bobster...
...what in the world are we to make of your post?!
- the only thing worse & less humiliating than going to "gossip" *cringes* sites...
...would have to be:
a). admitting to it publically,
b). knowing the "sites" by *cringes again* name, and wost of all
c). putting it out there, into the public domain - in the permanently, eternal void known as the internet - under *dies a little inside* (close enough to) your real name; that you both frequent said sites AND do so frequently enough to call them by name :-[
*sterilizes keyboard* :P
I know it is a terrible sin! Admitting it publicly is probably not something I should have done, but the damage is already there. My only excuse is that Kotaku and Lifehacker like to cross post stuff from there occasionally and I look at an article every once in a while :-[. That occasionally leads me to Jalopnik too which learns me a thing or two about cars lol.
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I've only ever seen it/heard about it, in one of kashy's posts from a long time ago.
I just remembered the other day that it was *something* but - I didn't know what :o
bobster,
bobster,
bobster,
bobster...
...what in the world are we to make of your post?!
- the only thing worse & less humiliating than going to "gossip" *cringes* sites...
...would have to be:
a). admitting to it publically,
b). knowing the "sites" by *cringes again* name, and wost of all
c). putting it out there, into the public domain - in the permanently, eternal void known as the internet - under *dies a little inside* (close enough to) your real name; that you both frequent said sites AND do so frequently enough to call them by name :-[
*sterilizes keyboard* :P
I know it is a terrible sin! Admitting it publicly is probably not something I should have done, but the damage is already there. My only excuse is that Kotaku and Lifehacker like to cross post stuff from there occasionally and I look at an article every once in a while :-[. That occasionally leads me to Jalopnik too which learns me a thing or two about cars lol.
A blunder of epic proportions, indeed!
;D
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As you saw from the last couple of posts, ladies and gentlemen, dark just READ bobster to filth. He threw some shade.
I love fast learners. XD
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Alas, I am shaded.
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Alas, I am shaded.
Close. You were "read." Throwing shade is the catalyst, if you will. XD
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Alas, I am shaded.
Close. You were "read." Throwing shade is the catalyst, if you will. XD
I'll trust your tutelage on this matter. Again, I feel old lol.
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Alas, I am shaded.
would it not be that you're now "in the shade"?
kash - what's the proper terminology & the correct use of past, present, and future tenses; here?
:o
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Let's see here...
Present: In my spare time, I throw shade.
Past: That bitch decided to act cute and threw shade.
Future: Watch me read this hussy. I am going to throw beaucoup shade!
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Let's see here...
Present: In my spare time, I throw shade.
Past: That bitch decided to act cute and threw shade.
Future: Watch me read this hussy. I am going to throw beaucoup shade!
so...would "shading" be its verb form & "shady" the proper adjective ::)
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Let's see here...
Present: In my spare time, I throw shade.
Past: That bitch decided to act cute and threw shade.
Future: Watch me read this hussy. I am going to throw beaucoup shade!
so...would "shading" be its verb form & "shady" the proper adjective ::)
Shady is often used. "You're a shady-ass bitch!" or "You are one shady queen!" or "You trying to be cute by being shady?!"
Never saw "shaded" before. Usually it would just be "read."
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Let's see here...
Present: In my spare time, I throw shade.
Past: That bitch decided to act cute and threw shade.
Future: Watch me read this hussy. I am going to throw beaucoup shade!
so...would "shading" be its verb form & "shady" the proper adjective ::)
Shady is often used. "You're a shady-ass bitch!" or "You are one shady queen!" or "You trying to be cute by being shady?!"
Never saw "shaded" before. Usually it would just be "read."
Will the real slim SHADY, please stand up...please stand up...please stand up - then,
put one of those fingers on each hand up...each hand up...each hand up,
etc 8)
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And now Larry Wilmore just mentioned throwing shade on the nightly show. IT'S EVERYWHERE I TELL YOU!!!
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TL;DR
I love my 360. I think that the Indie section of the store was/is a fantastic idea and something that I wish was continuing on the PS4. I think that the 360 has a good selection of games for the general populous and the hardcore alike. The original Xbox started some great ideas, the hard drive was the main reason I bought the system. I think that the online only version of the Xbone was the way to go and I wish that they had stuck with it.
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TL;DR
I love my 360. I think that the Indie section of the store was/is a fantastic idea and something that I wish was continuing on the PS4. I think that the 360 has a good selection of games for the general populous and the hardcore alike. The original Xbox started some great ideas, the hard drive was the main reason I bought the system. I think that the online only version of the Xbone was the way to go and I wish that they had stuck with it.
Online-only would have been the end of Xbox. Microsoft saw that and quickly reversed their policies. And since neither Xbox Live nor PSN remains anything near stable from day to day, an online-only console would basically be a brick anytime some punks decided to perform a DDoS attack. Which as Christmas showed, is pretty easy and their isn't a damn thing Sony or Microsoft could do about it.