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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: bikingjahuty on August 24, 2020, 02:04:18 pm
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For the record, 8th generation includes PS4, XBONE, Switch, and Wii U.
The reason I ask this is I often hear people talk about the 2nd Generation (2600, 5200, Odyssey 2, Vectrex) and Third Generation (NES, Master System, 7800) as being super interesting generations due to all the relatively unknown, limited, and small releases that litter the entire generation. I understand that a lot of thos has to do with their being no internet back in the late 70s and 80s, but I can't help but think with all the limited, online only print run games as well as weird indi-games getting small retail releases that if someday people will look back on the 8th Generation and think, "wow, there is so much weird and strange stuff I never knew about!" I guess given how many games there are that are like this and how many sources their are for selling and distributing them, it's almost like unless you are very, very dedicated to collecting these games you're very likely not going to know many of these games existed until years later.
I know there is the whole online issue and servers going dark someday issue, but at least with these limited releases I feel like their dependency on patching and updates is far less than your average AAA game. So what does VGcollect think about this?
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Why would the 8th generation include Switch? You just said yourself Wii U is 8th generation. Switch is the first 9th generation console.
If anything, I think the indie scene is the most interesting. So many quality games coming from minuscule budgets that barely anyone knows about.
But as for the big-name gaming companies...meh. It was mostly sequels and remakes/remasters.
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I think most gamers are confused as to where Nintendo actually lands with Switch. It's essentially a slightly more powerful Wii-U but merges the tablet controller with the system itself. They share many games. Yet, the Switch is the actual successor so it's technically 9th gen.
Nintendo either got a do-over and Switch is their last half of the gen contender... tapped in after the beating the Wii-U got.... or it's actually a PS5 and XSeX competitor that came out years before its competition.
Who knows.
That said, I don't think any of the systems of today will be considered more interesting than those that came before. They simply are.
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So is the Dreamcast a 5th generation console? Of course not. It's the first 6th generation console, no one questions that. Switch is the same position. It got released earlier than other 9th generation consoles, but is still obviously the successor to the Saturn, Sega's 5th generation console. The Switch is obviously the successor to the Wii U, Nintendo's 8th generation console, making it the first 9th generation console.
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Why would the 8th generation include Switch? You just said yourself Wii U is 8th generation. Switch is the first 9th generation console.
If anything, I think the indie scene is the most interesting. So many quality games coming from minuscule budgets that barely anyone knows about.
But as for the big-name gaming companies...meh. It was mostly sequels and remakes/remasters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_generation_of_video_game_consoles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_generation_of_video_game_consoles)
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So is the Dreamcast a 5th generation console? Of course not. It's the first 6th generation console, no one questions that. Switch is the same position. It got released earlier than other 9th generation consoles, but is still obviously the successor to the Saturn, Sega's 5th generation console. The Switch is obviously the successor to the Wii U, Nintendo's 8th generation console, making it the first 9th generation console.
I don't think comparing the Dreamcast's release to that of the Switch is relevant at all. The Dreamcast came out within a year of the PS2, and two years before the XBOX and GC. In terms of hardware and performance all four are comparable. The Dreamcast is not even remotely on the same level as the PS1, Saturn, or N64, not even close. And like all the 6th gen consoles, those three 5th gen consoles all came out out between 1994 and 1996.
The Switch literally came out mid-8th gen and is comparable, at least somewhat to the PS4 and XBONE. It doesn't compare at all with the PS5 and Series X. The Wii U is also comparable to the PS4 and XBONE, which also makes it 8th gen.
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The Switch literally came out mid-8th gen and is comparable, at least somewhat to the PS4 and XBONE. It doesn't compare at all with the PS5 and Series X. The Wii U is also comparable to the PS4 and XBONE, which also makes it 8th gen.
Nintendo has been a gen behind in hardware since Wii. The Wii-U and Switch are essentially comparable to PS3/360 in terms of power. Switch might be slightly more than PS3 but not by much. No way Wii-U was even close to PS4 capabilities. That said, Nintendo IPs have never gone for realism in their games so having the top of the line graphics wasn't important to the company.
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The Switch literally came out mid-8th gen and is comparable, at least somewhat to the PS4 and XBONE. It doesn't compare at all with the PS5 and Series X. The Wii U is also comparable to the PS4 and XBONE, which also makes it 8th gen.
Nintendo has been a gen behind in hardware since Wii. The Wii-U and Switch are essentially comparable to PS3/360 in terms of power. Switch might be slightly more than PS3 but not by much. No way Wii-U was even close to PS4 capabilities. That said, Nintendo IPs have never gone for realism in their games so having the top of the line graphics wasn't important to the company.
They are behind in hardware because nintendo is the only console company that actually makes a profit with console sales.
Both sony and microsoft have a loss for each console sale, that's their strategy in the hopes that people buy enough games to make a profit. The give a good quality product at the best price.
However keep in mind both micosft and sony have huge amounts of money from other sectors, videogames are literally just a small pool for them. They are big enough to play that game Nintendo doesn't have that luxury.
Different beasts really, Sega was stupid to challenge sony during ps2 dreamcast era by being first. it was a death sentence when sony could sell a ps2 with twice the power a dvd player for 100$ less than the price of a ps2 console.
Golden era money of nintendo and sega is just small section of what sony and microsoft make. Nintendo has to be different because if nintendo tries to fight with having the best hardware it would have just resulted in going bankrupped. Having to put games on different consoles like sega nowadays.
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Since when does power decide a console generation?
If that was the case than Wii would definitely be a 6th generation console, and it's not.
And btw, it has only been 2 years since Switch released, just like the Dreamcast.
Wii U was the successor to Wii, a 7th generation console. Making it an 8th generation console. And the Switch was the follow-up to the Wii U. Better graphics, more power, better hardware. It's not a sidestep like the Xbox One X, it's a whole new console with all-new software that won't play on a Wii U.
And Wikipedia? Like that's a reliable source? This is the same article that completely lumps the 3rd generation of consoles into the 2nd generation. Atari 5200 and Colecovision are not in any way in the same console generation as the Atari 2600, Fairchild Channel F, and Magnavox Odyssey 2. But that's an entirely different conversation. We should be entering the 10th generation, but since everyone takes Wikipedia as gospel, it's just easier to go with the accepted generations.
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Since when does power decide a console generation?
If that was the case than Wii would definitely be a 6th generation console, and it's not.
And btw, it has only been 2 years since Switch released, just like the Dreamcast.
Wii U was the successor to Wii, a 7th generation console. Making it an 8th generation console. And the Switch was the follow-up to the Wii U. Better graphics, more power, better hardware. It's not a sidestep like the Xbox One X, it's a whole new console with all-new software that won't play on a Wii U.
And Wikipedia? Like that's a reliable source? This is the same article that completely lumps the 3rd generation of consoles into the 2nd generation. Atari 5200 and Colecovision are not in any way in the same console generation as the Atari 2600, Fairchild Channel F, and Magnavox Odyssey 2. But that's an entirely different conversation. We should be entering the 10th generation, but since everyone takes Wikipedia as gospel, it's just easier to go with the accepted generations.
I'm not writing an academic paper or college thesis; my point in including Wikipedia as a source is that its the general consensus that the Switch is Gen 8 whether you agree with it or not. If you really want to consider the Switch Gen 9, whatever I don't care; just pretend I didn't include it in the list of Gen 8 consoles. I didn't create this thread to debate console generation categorization, but what people are going to think of Gen 8 as being an interesting, enigmatic generation. Feel free to bar the Switch from the topic, I don't care.
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I personally don't think the 8th generation will be the most interesting someday. it will just mix in with the current gen consoles and be just another console line that might not have much value to dive into.
I'd argue gen 7 and 8 will be replaced by the newer gens. and be inferior in every way little reason to come back to
With the exception of the switch since it's both a handheld and a home console so that could keep a niche that way. If nintendo however decides to keep the handheld and console combo gimmick going for all future gens, also the switch will just blend in with the newer consoles and it won't stand out and just be a console that was great for it's time but not much usage to come back to.
Everything wii u, ps3 or xbox 360 and onwards will probably just be inferior compared the current gen, less reason to come back to. exclusives will be ported, the console more powerfull. There will not be anything that differentiates these consoles compared to them older counter parts.
It's just about power consoles are pretty much pc's these days after all.
The new gens will probably have all exclusives of past console. better online, better specs. Might be some exclusives left but who knows really. The best stuff will probably be ported to them newer consoles gens for sure.
Indi games will probably always be available online for a small fee on new gens, physcial sure that's going to stay on those 8th gen consoles but i highly doubt most people would care about that.
Since when does power decide a console generation?
If that was the case than Wii would definitely be a 6th generation console, and it's not.
And btw, it has only been 2 years since Switch released, just like the Dreamcast.
Wii U was the successor to Wii, a 7th generation console. Making it an 8th generation console. And the Switch was the follow-up to the Wii U. Better graphics, more power, better hardware. It's not a sidestep like the Xbox One X, it's a whole new console with all-new software that won't play on a Wii U.
And Wikipedia? Like that's a reliable source? This is the same article that completely lumps the 3rd generation of consoles into the 2nd generation. Atari 5200 and Colecovision are not in any way in the same console generation as the Atari 2600, Fairchild Channel F, and Magnavox Odyssey 2. But that's an entirely different conversation. We should be entering the 10th generation, but since everyone takes Wikipedia as gospel, it's just easier to go with the accepted generations.
While the switch is better power wise. it's not a major upgrade compared to the wii u. it's still weaker than the xbox one of ps4. wii u and switch are the same generation of consoles I'd say. 8th gen.
I don't think we can compare the wii u - switch with gamecube to wii era. Also as a counter point for this, the wii came out in a time when other newer consoles gens as the ps3 and xbox 360 came out wii U to switch happened pretty fast 2 consoles in 1 gen.
But sure if you count it as 9th gen be my guest. I don't see that personally to fast and they didn't even surpass the ps4 or xbox one
Every prior console surpassed at least the gen before. wich the switch did not.
The wii u was more powerfull than a ps3 and xbox 360 for example a new console gen.
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I don't think newer generations are ever going to match the mystique of the older ones no matter what happens. The lost and obscure stuff from the older generations is because of limited knowledge, information and documentation. The newer stuff will for sure lose a lot, but that is because of specific (and really crappy) practices where everything is run server side so it's hard or downright impossible to archive correctly. Something like Stadium Events on the NES, with an interesting history for it's rarity that wasn't known widely until way after is probably going to remain more interesting than a Limited Run Games style release where the express purpose is to make a collectable, or Call of Duty 164354 that is online only and basically gone in a year when the micro-transactions only make $1 billion instead of $2 billion. I really like Limited Run for it's pressing of physical media, but it just doesn't have the same effect of knowing you had to ask behind a counter for a pornographic NES game that nobody knew existed even then. I think LRG games in the long run will plateau whereas old systems (specifically in the pre-internet age) will continue to increase in demand.
All the indie stuff of this day and age will probably be preserved well most of the time. There are future problems with preservation of digital platforms like Steam down the road for sure, but it won't result in total losses of information most likely. The attitude of people is also just much different, where gaming went from a somewhat niche thing to very broad appeal. In the end, many generations later (That is being wishful, though, as I bet before then console generations will not be a thing due to some kind of horrible 'games as service' singularity) the 8th gen will probably be looked at with some kind of novelty as probably being on the tail end of physical, but I doubt it will ever even come close to even future collectors to the systems and games of the even more distant past.
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Switch is gen 8 to me especially considering the amount of third party support came from games that came out this gen being gen 8. As for this gen itself, I wont say most interesting but it was. This was a gen where console revisions were more than just cosmetic change but rather wanted to push for higher resolution than originally intended. We went from PS4 to PS4 as well as Xbox One to Xbox One X. Yes there were your standard slim down revisions but never did we get these upgrades like they were some kind of PC which at this point they are. The Switch and its console handheld hybrid was definitely the most interesting of them all and you can also count the Wii U in that since despite its shortcomings, it was essentially a prototype of what the Switch became. Then you have the rise of these indie developers showing their stuff and while I havent played a whole lot, the amount of creations out there is a good thing. It's not any better than generations of the past but I cannot deny that I've had plenty of fun with what has been out despite some issues.
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Here's a thought. What if with all these mid-gen releases or different models of the same thing....
... what if gaming is moving to more of a cell phone model. No one cares about the older model phones they had. What if eventually, there's a new Playstation or Xbox or Nintendo every year and the older ones become obsolete so quick that no one cares about them.
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Question:
Will the 8th generation of consoles be considered the most interesting someday?
My Thought on the subject:
It's sad, that I believe a lot of this generation might be forgotten, especially a lot of the indie games, and digital only games for sure. I think the 9th generation might cave in the industry, so many games, untold billions of games all types, from all generations to enjoy, just like music, and movies, a lot was forgotten and probably more will be forgotten. unless if someone has fond memories of any type of media and the power and resources to bring it back to life, it will be lost.
But to answer the question more clearer I think all games and generations are interesting
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Sorry, didn't mean to derail the entire thread.
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Here's a thought. What if with all these mid-gen releases or different models of the same thing....
... what if gaming is moving to more of a cell phone model. No one cares about the older model phones they had. What if eventually, there's a new Playstation or Xbox or Nintendo every year and the older ones become obsolete so quick that no one cares about them.
With people having no issue upgrading their phones every year and no uproar for these enhanced consoles, I could see this being a thing. It's like upgrading your PC components except in this case you're buying a whole new device.
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Here's a thought. What if with all these mid-gen releases or different models of the same thing....
... what if gaming is moving to more of a cell phone model. No one cares about the older model phones they had. What if eventually, there's a new Playstation or Xbox or Nintendo every year and the older ones become obsolete so quick that no one cares about them.
people where already complaining if a the ps5 or xbox series X where above a certain price point
Consumers don't want to spend as much on a console as on a smart phone. let alone yearly will at least have to stay for 5 years I'd say. would be insane if you'd have to buy a console yearly to keep playing the newest games.
people have priorities and while there is a market for upgrades like the ps4 pro. allot of people don't want them consoles to be to pricy voices have been heard. The need for phone upgrades is higher than for consoles allot higher. People use it daily, consoles are more of an extra not essential in life for most.
Otherwise aside from the yearly upgrades your right
Each new console gen could be seen as a new phone from the 7th 8th gen onwards. There is not much reason to comeback, consoles are pc's at this point. the older consoles will be seen as inferior and not much reason to comeback to compared to older generations wich stood out. with less and less exclusives to come back to.
The wii is the only exception of the 7th gen, since it's gimmick stood out and not much is ported I mean both the ps4 and xbox X are pretty much the ps3 and xbox 360 but better having pretty much all them older titles and improved them plus a ton more. yet the wii is still unique from the wii u and switch by a long shot. ps2 wii and xbox are the last console gens that weren't pc's yet. If where including japan titles xbox 360 was pretty nice though.
the wii u however is basicly overshadowed by the switch by getting pretty much all exclusives plus extra content, let alone that the wii u's gimmick of 2 screens is really forgettable, it has almost nothing that people will remember. There is no reason to buy a wii u over a switch aside from the cost wich isn't going to be an issue if these generations grow older and older. The switch has all wii u titles an actually great gimmick and a hell lot more and way better exclusive titles.
what titles are left after pikmin 3 wich got ported plus extra content and 2 player for main story
starfox zero, and mario trash 3d land
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Most interesting? Maybe. The Ouya (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxcc4iTiVQQ) did release during this time, after all. Oh, and virtual reality gaming grew to be successful and widely available. I guess that's important, but probably not as important as the Ouya....
Honestly, though, it's hard to say. Every generation has aspects to make them interesting. As far as the seventh generation of gaming, indie games absolutely flourished, the rise of online gaming was paramount, digital marketplaces became the ideal means to sell products more cost-effectively and efficiently, and DLC grew to be much more widely acceptable and even expected. Do these aspects make the seventh generation less interesting than the eighth? That's largely up for debate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_generation_of_video_game_consoles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_generation_of_video_game_consoles)
Seconding your opinion, I also find it hard to support the claim that the Nintendo Switch was the introduction to the ninth generation of gaming. After all, it ported a huge list of original first-party and published Wii U games to beef up its lackluster line-up:
Bayonetta 2
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Hyrule Warriors (Hyrule Warriors DX)
Mario Kart 8 (Mario Kart 8 Deluxe)
New Super Luigi U
New Super Mario Bros. U (New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe)
Pikmin 3 (Pikmin 3 Deluxe)
Pokkén Tournament (Pokkén Tournament DX)
Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE (Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE Encore)
On the off-chance of a newly-announced game, there's a good chance that what is announced was originally a Wii U title. Even to Nintendo themselves, the Switch was their only opportune chance to play a lot of catching up at the easy expense of porting good games originally for a poorly-selling system onto what they only hoped was a system to get them out of the huge hole they dig themselves into. So, Nintendo did what they had to do by marketing a new yet almost equal-in-performance system in the middle of a console generation.
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I don't think newer generations are ever going to match the mystique of the older ones no matter what happens.
This is likely true for more than video games. We live in a mass-produced, focus-group-driven hellscape where real creativity and boundary pushing is selected against by market forces. Look at movies. Hollywood is now a byword for unoriginal schlock for the lowest common denominator, but there was a time when Hollywood movies could be unconventional and daring and tell stories that didn't have Captain America in them. How many cars from the 1960's are dripping with mystique? How many from the 2000's?
The eighth generation of video games is like every other consumer product now. Creative passion has been replaced by a cynical drive for profit. The PS4 doesn't have a fascinating history behind its creation. It wasn't some odds-defying underdog story like the NES, and it has no interesting figures like Nolan Bushnell in it. The PS4 story is "Sony wanted more money so they made a new black rectangle." No one will ever look back on the WiiU and think "Wow, what a unique and iconic thing that was. What a heady time it evokes," any more than anyone will say that about Ke$ha.
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I wouldn't say that creation is of that much importance for a new console. You don't always need to be an underdog and have a rich history to back it up, many collectors might not even know about the history and just collect and play them games.
Sony and microsft where way more rich when the entered the console market. it was just another day at the office for them no matter how interesting it was that the snes and ps1 could have combined at some point. Let alone that the ps2 is definitely a console to return to.
Than again fair enough it did have a soul crushing history in how it wiped sega off the map showing it's true mucsles of how much money an actual big fish has.
It's however allot more simple than that
Problem is that most stuff gets ported over in wich there is little reason to come back to the console. Limitations don't really exist anymore and the games usually get extra content aswell aside from the slight grapic upgrades. past console didn't really suffer from this problem
However xbox 360, wii u and ps3 definitely where just inferior compared to the consoles that came after it, sure there exclusives left, but so much has been ported over that allot less is left compared to older console generations
There is nothing different about them newer games wich seem to always get newer ports + additional content. In some rare cases the newer ports are worse but that's a rarity especially with patches.
To many Ports happen a bit to fast instead of waiting for 1 or 2 console gens before they happen like in the past.
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I don't know about interesting, but I'm thinking there will be a lot of criticism regarding a lot of things. The introduction of limited prints and it's negative impact on consumers, the beginning of an all digital era, mid-cycle refreshes, games as a service models, esports, streaming, etc.
Also, I agree that Switch is 8th gen. Also, switch isn't 2 years old, it's like 3 and a half years old.
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I agree with burningdoom. The switch is a 9th gen console. Stop calling it 8th.
A console era isn't defined by it's console power or they would be putting the Atari Jaguar with the 16 bit consoles, and the Dreamcast with the 32bit consoles.
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I agree with burningdoom. The switch is a 9th gen console. Stop calling it 8th.
A console era isn't defined by it's console power or they would be putting the Atari Jaguar with the 16 bit consoles, and the Dreamcast with the 32bit consoles.
atari jaguar came out in 1994 same year as the ps1. you really can't compare that
Same for dreamcast came out just 1 year before the ps2 and thus of the same generation let alone that the grapics where a huge improvement compared to saturn or any console of the past generations not comparable to 32 bit systems. way more powerfull than the n64 or ps1 and in both cases years after the past gens came out.
meanwhile wii u and switch wich already is 3plus years old are in just 1 console generation of xbox and sony. let alone that the upgrade in visuals is minimal.
You can say 9th gen if you want, but the wiki and many others will always consider the switch to be a 8th gen console.
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I agree with burningdoom. The switch is a 9th gen console. Stop calling it 8th.
A console era isn't defined by it's console power or they would be putting the Atari Jaguar with the 16 bit consoles, and the Dreamcast with the 32bit consoles.
atari jaguar came out in 1994 same year as the ps1. you really can't compare that
Same for dreamcast came out just 1 year before the ps2 and thus of the same generation let alone that the grapics where a huge improvement compared to saturn or any console of the past generations not comparable to 32 bit systems. way more powerfull than the n64 or ps1 and in both cases years after the past gens came out.
meanwhile wii u and switch wich already is 3plus years old are in just 1 console generation of xbox and sony. let alone that the upgrade in visuals is minimal.
You can say 9th gen if you want, but the wiki and many others will always consider the switch to be a 8th gen console.
2 years for the Dreamcast in Japan. 1998. The PS5 could of came out last year, it was dragging it's feet, and console generations dragging their feet since the 7th gen while Nintendo staying consistent has lead to the gap.
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I agree with burningdoom. The switch is a 9th gen console. Stop calling it 8th.
A console era isn't defined by it's console power or they would be putting the Atari Jaguar with the 16 bit consoles, and the Dreamcast with the 32bit consoles.
atari jaguar came out in 1994 same year as the ps1. you really can't compare that
Same for dreamcast came out just 1 year before the ps2 and thus of the same generation let alone that the grapics where a huge improvement compared to saturn or any console of the past generations not comparable to 32 bit systems. way more powerfull than the n64 or ps1 and in both cases years after the past gens came out.
meanwhile wii u and switch wich already is 3plus years old are in just 1 console generation of xbox and sony. let alone that the upgrade in visuals is minimal.
You can say 9th gen if you want, but the wiki and many others will always consider the switch to be a 8th gen console.
2 years for the Dreamcast in Japan. 1998. The PS5 could of came out last year, it was dragging it's feet, and console generations dragging their feet since the 7th gen while Nintendo staying consistent has lead to the gap.
the ps3 and xbox one where released in 2013
wii u in 2012
what do you mean by nintendo staying consistent, them consoles in the 8th gen came out at roughly the same time. The wii u was a failed console they had to release a newer console early wich is why we got the switch while ps4 and xbox one where still doing their stuff. i don't see the gap in the 8th generation. wii u was only 1 year early.
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5-6 years for a Nintendo Console, It's been mostly consistent.
7 years for the PS3. 8 years for the 360. And it's looking like 7 again for the PS4 and Xbox One.
The PS2 6 years was suppose to be 5 years but the PS3 delayed. Original xbox 4-5 years.
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5-6 years for a Nintendo Console, It's been mostly consistent.
7 years for the PS3. 8 years for the 360. And it's looking like 7 again for the PS4 and Xbox One.
The PS2 6 years was suppose to be 5 years but the PS3 delayed. Original xbox 4-5 years.
OG xbox was just 4 years
also it seems to me that nintendo tried to keep up to release alongside other consoles gens considering how they where 2 years late compared to ps1 with the N64
only 1 year late in ps2 gamecube era. and finally along the same time during wii ps3 era.
Sure they where a bit early with wii u era, but I doubt it was nintendo trying to be consistent, the N64 was almost a flop, a disaster, the gamecube didnt sell to hot either, and both consoles where 1 or 2 years later than it's competition. especially in n64 era nintendo just came way to late to the party at 2 years.
xbox was 1 year early in the 7th gen meaning that the Og xbox was relevant for just 4 years, and guess what happend, xbox 360 was the best selling console of microsoft by far. forget consistency being early is apparently pretty important. nintendo had to speed stuff up since they where falling behind in the n64 era.
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The N64 couldn't beat PlayStation, sure, but I'd hardly call 33 million units a flop or close to it.
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The N64 couldn't beat PlayStation, sure, but I'd hardly call 33 million units a flop or close to it.
it is if the difference is that big. 100 million for sony let alone all those 3rd party losses.
Capcom and square left nintendo during that era. wich even was noticable in gamecube and wii era. Nintendo has lost allot of 3rd party support in the n64 era. nintendo messed up big time. They angered the wrong people during their snes cd conversations with sony.
Nintendo literally lost the huge position that they had in a single generation
Everyone went to sega or sony for them games. final fantasy, dragonquest, street fighter (pretty much everything capcom really) and megaman, classics on nintendo all to sega and sony. projects like super mario rpg where history. snk ports. nintendo got pretty much nothing.
Even konami, Sure they made some games, but all the big stuff was all for sony. From monopoly postition to a small puppy eating them leftover scraps in just 1 single generation. the pain remained in cube era. it's mainly the classic wii that saved the nintendo home consoles i'd say.
Handheld department, remained supreme though fortunately.
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33 million units at $149 a piece (and that's generous, it stayed at $199 for quite a while) equals $4,917,000,000.
Yeah, not a flop in any sense of the word. Couldn't beat PlayStation, but that doesn't make it a flop.
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Losing their huge market share ending with a mere fraction of the past. Pretty much all 3rd party support leaving Nintendo and all that in just 1 single generation.
If you call that a succes be my guest.
n64 and gamecube era where a rocky road for nintendo, mainly the first party titles that carried them. all I'm saying.
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Sega Saturn didn't do so hot in the 5th generation. Nintendo 64 and PlayStation 1 dominated in the 5th generation, otherwise I could actually find more than 2 Sega Saturn games in my local area. nope I can't find a single game for the Sega Saturn other then what I used to have, Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter 2 and one console, in the middle of a rural area close to where I live today.
Atari was dead and Sega was dying
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Pretty much all 3rd party support leaving Nintendo and all that in just 1 single generation.
Super Nintendo: 721 games
Nintendo 64: 296 games
PlayStation: 3078 games
When you actually look at raw numbers, the flop even looks worse. Sure, Sony was much more accepting of third-party support (and rightly so), but the fact that there is such little third-party support for Nintendo during this time is embarrassing.
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Pretty much all 3rd party support leaving Nintendo and all that in just 1 single generation.
Super Nintendo: 721 games
Nintendo 64: 296 games
PlayStation: 3078 games
When you actually look at raw numbers, the flop even looks worse. Sure, Sony was much more accepting of third-party support (and rightly so), but the fact that there is such little third-party support for Nintendo during this time is embarrassing.
Japan had allot more support for the super famicom, we where missing tons of games in the west mainly rpg's but also a ton of beat em ups platfomers all that funn stuff
1448 games in Japan compared to usa 721.
But yes N64 era was not a great era for nintendo, they lost a hell lot more than just a very large chunk of their past almost monopoly position.
Nintendo lost their biggest quality 3rd party names during this era, all the others that left where just the cherry on top.
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I don't think newer generations are ever going to match the mystique of the older ones no matter what happens. The lost and obscure stuff from the older generations is because of limited knowledge, information and documentation. The newer stuff will for sure lose a lot, but that is because of specific (and really crappy) practices where everything is run server side so it's hard or downright impossible to archive correctly. Something like Stadium Events on the NES, with an interesting history for it's rarity that wasn't known widely until way after is probably going to remain more interesting than a Limited Run Games style release where the express purpose is to make a collectable, or Call of Duty 164354 that is online only and basically gone in a year when the micro-transactions only make $1 billion instead of $2 billion. I really like Limited Run for it's pressing of physical media, but it just doesn't have the same effect of knowing you had to ask behind a counter for a pornographic NES game that nobody knew existed even then. I think LRG games in the long run will plateau whereas old systems (specifically in the pre-internet age) will continue to increase in demand.
All the indie stuff of this day and age will probably be preserved well most of the time. There are future problems with preservation of digital platforms like Steam down the road for sure, but it won't result in total losses of information most likely. The attitude of people is also just much different, where gaming went from a somewhat niche thing to very broad appeal. In the end, many generations later (That is being wishful, though, as I bet before then console generations will not be a thing due to some kind of horrible 'games as service' singularity) the 8th gen will probably be looked at with some kind of novelty as probably being on the tail end of physical, but I doubt it will ever even come close to even future collectors to the systems and games of the even more distant past.
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Here's a thought. What if with all these mid-gen releases or different models of the same thing....
... what if gaming is moving to more of a cell phone model. No one cares about the older model phones they had. What if eventually, there's a new Playstation or Xbox or Nintendo every year and the older ones become obsolete so quick that no one cares about them.
No thanks.
As for the rest of this topic...
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IMO it's been quite underwhelming. I'm partial to the 7th gen over 8th, except for Nintendo's offerings of which I consider about equal. Indie games were also around during the 7th gen, they just didn't get a lot of unnecessary physical prints for collecting purposes. And unless you are a die-hard physical collector like a lot of us dinosaurs here, having a print or not won't impact ones ability to discover games from the 8th gen.
I still miss the days of the 7th gen, the last of the classic Japanese studios, lots of third party games with a budget behind them, trying new things, ambition for new IPs, a handheld with physical media like the DS could be a thing with tons of software on it. 7th gen was the end of an era, and 8th gen was a rebirth. Now it's either a huge studio cranking out X amount of installments, or it's a indie game that may or may not get a physical print.
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I think video game companies, in the future are just going to keep re-releasing only hit stuff. From previous generations, in digital format, Otherwise, mostly everything that people don't have nostalgia for or a physical copy of will be lost. Just like mostly of every other type of media, that was not popular. take music for example. a lot of hit music, that most people remember got a re-release. and a re-master in the modern day. and as far as music goes, that's the way it is today. only difference is, Movies and Music are still getting a physical release and most newer video games are requiring online download off a live server.
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I think video game companies, in the future are just going to keep re-releasing only hit stuff. From previous generations, in digital format, Otherwise, mostly everything that people don't have nostalgia for or a physical copy of will be lost. Just like mostly of every other type of media, that was not popular. take music for example. a lot of hit music, that most people remember got a re-release. and a re-master in the modern day. and as far as music goes, that's the way it is today. only difference is, Movies and Music are still getting a physical release and most newer video games are requiring online download off a live server.
Probably, but there's far to many games for it to be done, and there will be weird copyright laws preventing it eventually for some titles.
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I think video game companies, in the future are just going to keep re-releasing only hit stuff. From previous generations, in digital format, Otherwise, mostly everything that people don't have nostalgia for or a physical copy of will be lost. Just like mostly of every other type of media, that was not popular. take music for example. a lot of hit music, that most people remember got a re-release. and a re-master in the modern day. and as far as music goes, that's the way it is today. only difference is, Movies and Music are still getting a physical release and most newer video games are requiring online download off a live server.
Probably, but there's far to many games for it to be done, and there will be weird copyright laws preventing it eventually for some titles.
vary true, but newer companies could always buy the license to re-release it. It's probably all those generic sports games that will get lost in time, for sure I could imagine, I don't think too many would want them, except for myself.
But as a music collector I've noticed that pretty much every single rock band in the 1960's on forward has been getting there older albums re-released, mostly on CD and I don't mean just the greatest hits compilations either. You can still find re-mastered versions of older rock, pop, country, and metal albums today on mostly every single band from the 1960's onward.