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VGCollect Site Stuff => Video Game Database Discussion => Topic started by: telekill on January 01, 2021, 08:51:24 am
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Hello,
I was wondering if it's possible to move the various Playstation Network categories under their respective systems? Example... Playstation Network (PS4) be moved under the PS4's main category, Playstation Network (PS5) be moved under the PS5's main category.
Same for Nintendo Shop (Switch) being moved under the Switch's main category.
Seems like it would clean it up a bit.
Thanks for reading and considering.
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Seems like it would clean it up a bit.
On the contrary, it would be a mess, and that's wholly unnecessary.
Digital games should be kept within their own respective categories.
What I will say, though, is that both "Tiger LCD" and "Konami LCD" should be moved to the "LCD Games" category, because the former is standalone and the latter is under the "Other" category, which, quite frankly, doesn't make sense.
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Seems like it would clean it up a bit.
On the contrary, it would be a mess, and that's wholly unnecessary.
Digital games should be kept within their own respective categories.
What I will say, though, is that both "Tiger LCD" and "Konami LCD" should be moved to the "LCD Games" category, because the former is standalone and the latter is under the "Other" category, which, quite frankly, doesn't make sense.
Perhaps we should move the Game&Watch section there as well
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On the contrary, it would be a mess, and that's wholly unnecessary.
Digital games should be kept within their own respective categories.
My thinking is that a PS4 game is a PS4 game regardless on if it's digital or physical. You'd still have the sub category of PSN (PS4) under your PS4 tab so you could see what are digital and what are physical. I'm not saying move all the digital games into the same tab as the physical. Just move the sub categories under their respective systems.
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So rather than have the PSN categories on their own you're suggesting that the PS4 category look like this?
[PS4]
PlayStation 4 Accessory
PlayStation 4 Demo
PlayStation 4 Hardware
PlayStation 4 [AU]
PlayStation 4
PlayStation 4 [CN]
PlayStation 4 [EU]
PlayStation 4 [JP]
PlayStation 4 [KR]
PlayStation 4 [NA]
PlayStation 4 [TW]
+ PlayStation Network (PS4) [EU]
+ PlayStation Network (PS4) [JP]
+ PlayStation Network (PS4) [KR]
+ PlayStation Network (PS4) [NA]
Doesn't seem to me like that would change too much to be honest, feels like more of a lateral move rather than something that would clean up the site's look.
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So rather than have the PSN categories on their own you're suggesting that the PS4 category look like this?
[PS4]
PlayStation 4 Accessory
PlayStation 4 Demo
PlayStation 4 Hardware
PlayStation 4 [AU]
PlayStation 4
PlayStation 4 [CN]
PlayStation 4 [EU]
PlayStation 4 [JP]
PlayStation 4 [KR]
PlayStation 4 [NA]
PlayStation 4 [TW]
+ PlayStation Network (PS4) [EU]
+ PlayStation Network (PS4) [JP]
+ PlayStation Network (PS4) [KR]
+ PlayStation Network (PS4) [NA]
Doesn't seem to me like that would change too much to be honest, feels like more of a lateral move rather than something that would clean up the site's look.
And if we were to do it there, we should also do it for PS3 and Vita. I'm in agreement that it would at best merely shift things, not really clean them up.
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What I will say, though, is that both "Tiger LCD" and "Konami LCD" should be moved to the "LCD Games" category, because the former is standalone and the latter is under the "Other" category, which, quite frankly, doesn't make sense.
Perhaps we should move the Game&Watch section there as well
Makes sense; I wouldn't be oppossed to that.
On the contrary, it would be a mess, and that's wholly unnecessary.
Digital games should be kept within their own respective categories.
My thinking is that a PS4 game is a PS4 game regardless on if it's digital or physical. You'd still have the sub category of PSN (PS4) under your PS4 tab so you could see what are digital and what are physical. I'm not saying move all the digital games into the same tab as the physical. Just move the sub categories under their respective systems.
Believe me, I get what you're saying, but like I said, doing so would just mess things up. Digital and physical media are like oil and water, so they should be kept separate in their respective sections to maintain and keep proper organization. These games have their own section, and they're easy to access anyway, so why muddle that up.
Even if, for the sake of an example, the "PlayStation Network" section were to be implemented as a sub-section within each of their pertinent PlayStation categories, things would just look out of place, and, quite honestly, very fugly.
Non sequitur: While I'm at it, and I know this one doesn't particularly pertain to the topic at hand, but regarding the "Swag" section; wouldn't it be better to have each category named accordingly without having "Swag" at the beginning of each title? Both "Magazine" and "Strategy Guide" were migrated to "Swag" and weren't renamed, so I think taking "Swag" out from the rest would help for the sake of consitency, as well as keeping things aesthetically pleasing.
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Would be in favor of changing Swag to Merchandise.
But each individual sub-cat does not need that title, just the main cat.
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Would be in favor of changing Swag to Merchandise.
I've never been a fan of the word "swag", so I wouldn't be oppossed to the name change if it were to be considered. Quite frankly, "merchandise" not only has a better ring to it, but a better connotation as well.
But each individual sub-cat does not need that title, just the main cat.
That's what I mean; each category doesn't need to have "Swag" at the beginning of their title if they're already within said section, as in "Soundtracks" and "Toys/Novelties" should be named just that, not have "Swag" as part of their name—it's redundant.
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Swag to Merchandise is a good idea.
Breaking up the PSN section would be confusing because of stuff like PSone Classics and PlayStation Mini since those can be played on PSP, PS3 and Vita.
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What about the idea of having the option of where we want them categorized under or have it show up both places? Obviously this idea doesn't sit well with a couple people, but again, a PS4 game is a PS4 game. *shrugs*
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Making it a feature that the user can switch on and off I guess sounds like a good compromise—hell, making the website as customizable as possible for the user sounds hunky-dory. But then again, when was the last time something substantial was done around here?
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I'd much rather that there not be multiple categories for digital games at all. Having one per platform would be better, with the options to choose what system, language and region you have the entry for if you wanted to put in that info. Because ultimately, many of the games in the same platform but in different regions are actually the same data content. Same goes for GOG vs Steam vs PC Digital Downloads.
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Wait, just to make sure I get what you're saying: you're proposing to merge all digital entries (GOG, Steam, etc.) and classify them under a single category?
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Yes and no. It would be in a single category in reality, but wouldn't appear as such to a user. Basically, we do not need to have multiple entries for say... the digital version of Fortnite. There could be one entry that "appears" in multiple categories or under multiple contexts. Where the item entry itself, be it viewed in PC Digital Downloads, the various PSNs or XBL categories, all link to the same entry. It would appear in each category because it would be linked to them.
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The problem is that there are games that are only released digitally in certain regions.
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The problem is that there are games that are only released digitally in certain regions.
Why is that a problem? These titles would simply have their own specific entry number as-is and would only appear in their proper sub-category, if I'm understanding tripredacus correctly.
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Yes and no. It would be in a single category in reality, but wouldn't appear as such to a user. Basically, we do not need to have multiple entries for say... the digital version of Fortnite. There could be one entry that "appears" in multiple categories or under multiple contexts. Where the item entry itself, be it viewed in PC Digital Downloads, the various PSNs or XBL categories, all link to the same entry. It would appear in each category because it would be linked to them.
I too believe multiple entries for digital games are quite unecessary, so I think I can get behind that since I've had a similar idea swimming in my head for the longest time now. Personally, I think for these games in particular, when a user adds them to their collection, instead of the box that gets prompted asking the user to check if their game is complete, as in has the box or manual, those options could be changed to reflect the platforms/stores where these games are available on so that the user can check where they purchased the game from.
Example:
(https://i.imgur.com/2XcUZki.jpg)
Granted, there are more places to buy games digitally for PC than "GOG", "Steam", and "Epic", so maybe a few others could be added to the list, or leave it as-is and in the event a game was bought from somewhere else the user could tick "Other" and specify where exactly the game was purchased from in the notes field.
Overall, I think this would help keeping things simple and, above all, organized.
The problem is that there are games that are only released digitally in certain regions.
It really isn't a problem, as the PC section, for example, could be divided into two: "physical" and "digital", with digital entries getting assigned their respective regions just like it's done for physical entries. In other words, "Digital [NA]", "Digital [JP]", and "Digital [EU]". Or, instead of following the same formula for digital releases, it could be done so that the user themselves specify what region the game is upon adding it to their collection either by a checkbox or drop-down list.
As already mentioned, it's really unnecessary to have multiple entries for the same digital releases, so categorizing them this way not only makes it simpler, but it's practical.
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I too believe multiple entries for digital games are quite unecessary, so I think I can get behind that since I've had a similar idea swimming in my head for the longest time now. Personally, I think for these games in particular, when a user adds them to their collection, instead of the box that gets prompted asking the user to check if their game is complete, as in has the box or manual, those options could be changed to reflect the platforms/stores where these games are available on so that the user can check where they purchased the game from.
The mockup is a good start, but I don't think this really solves anything. What does this solution offer that the Notes section doesn't already provide? For all of the digital PC games in my personal collection, I already specify which platform the item is connected to through this feature.
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Well, originally I intended to propose that when the user ticks "Other" an additional field could appear where the user fills in where the game was purchased from, which would in turn replace "Other" with whatever the user wrote, but it kind of seemed like a wild "spitball" so I figured I'd keep it to myself. Just for clarification, in this scenario when the user checks the platform the game is from, the others would disappear, leaving only the one that was chosen when they add the item to their collection. And yes, I'm certain others use the notes field the same as you do, I reckon it's there and it's meant to be used any way we see fit; but if the website were to follow through with what we're discussing, I believe that it should have a concrete way for its users to classify their digital collection just the same way it's done for physical items. Plus, not for nothing, but it's odd for digital releases to keep the same fields physical ones have; and by that I mean, "Cart/Disk/Item", "Case/Box", and "Manual". Sure, some digital games tend to include a manual (PDF), but that's where I think the notes field would come into place, especially when we consider some also include artbooks, soundtracks, and other extras.
Nonetheless, like I said above, I'm just spitballing; I'm sure there are other ways to go about doing this. Like, for example, all four checkboxes could be replaced with a field where users themselves write down where they bought/got the game from; however, there's the probability of it being used improperly. Another possible option is a drop-down list—I'm sure we can come up with more.