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IGN Entertainment has acquired the Gamer Network family of digital brands for an undisclosed sum.
Gamer Network’s publications include GamesIndustry.biz, Eurogamer, Rock Paper Shotgun, VG247, and Dicebreaker. The business also holds shares in Outside Xbox, Digital Foundry, and Hookshot (which operates Nintendo life, Push Square, Pure Xbox, and Time Extension).
IGN Entertainment is the division of Ziff Davis that includes IGN, MapGenie, HowLongtoBeat, and Humble Bundle. It has acquired the brands from PAX and New York Comic-Con organizer ReedPop, which initially bought the Gamer Network business in 2018.
Not included in the sale are UK-based events EGX or MCM, or the digital brand Popverse.
I personally check out Push Square, Nintendo Life and Pure Xbox daily. GamesIndustry.biz and Digital Foundry are both pretty important. Eurogamer is pretty big in its own right.
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Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago. Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned. I know this as I have been temp banned from both sites at some point for expressing a non-hostile conservative opinion.
Where am I going with this, you may be asking... If IGN has bought out their competitors, then there is no great loss. It's simply the consolidation of the same opinion under one banner and this will have zero impact on the readers and those that interact on their sites. That is... until with everything in the gaming industry at the moment... they start to downsize.
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Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago. Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned. I know this as I have been temp banned from both sites at some point for expressing a non-hostile conservative opinion.
Where am I going with this, you may be asking... If IGN has bought out their competitors, then there is no great loss. It's simply the consolidation of the same opinion under one banner and this will have zero impact on the readers and those that interact on their sites. That is... until with everything in the gaming industry at the moment... they start to downsize.
It has nothing to do with being "left leaning". To be honest, most of the top comments on all IGN posts are heavily right leaning. Usually some pretty sick stuff at that. Politics have nothing to do with this consolidation. It's about finances. We're headed towards another 80's game crash. Everything is about profit and pleasing share holders now. Gaming isn't about the art of it anymore. AAA games will implode, and all that will be left are the indie titles that have held the gaming industry up for the last decade. Small gaming sites can no longer thrive like they used to.
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While I don't read much of any of these, consolidating so many websites like this under one banner can never be a good thing. I do need to find another gaming site with editorials to read, Destructoid has fallen off real hard lately for me, and otherwise I just check out Gematsu for pure game news. Sucks to see stuff like this happen, because there's just not many smaller sites anymore, they tend to get bought up and it's questionable how long they'll last, much like game studios who get bought up, just to get shutdown, even if they do things right, or in some cases, relegated into the AAA franchise mines where creativity goes to die.
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Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago. Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned. I know this as I have been temp banned from both sites at some point for expressing a non-hostile conservative opinion.
Where am I going with this, you may be asking... If IGN has bought out their competitors, then there is no great loss. It's simply the consolidation of the same opinion under one banner and this will have zero impact on the readers and those that interact on their sites. That is... until with everything in the gaming industry at the moment... they start to downsize.
It has nothing to do with being "left leaning". To be honest, most of the top comments on all IGN posts are heavily right leaning. Usually some pretty sick stuff at that. Politics have nothing to do with this consolidation. It's about finances. We're headed towards another 80's game crash. Everything is about profit and pleasing share holders now. Gaming isn't about the art of it anymore. AAA games will implode, and all that will be left are the indie titles that have held the gaming industry up for the last decade. Small gaming sites can no longer thrive like they used to.
You missed what I was trying to convey. These sites all have the same ideals, the same mindset. They're essentially all the same. Now that it's all under one banner... there's been no loss.
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Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago. Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned. I know this as I have been temp banned from both sites at some point for expressing a non-hostile conservative opinion.
Where am I going with this, you may be asking... If IGN has bought out their competitors, then there is no great loss. It's simply the consolidation of the same opinion under one banner and this will have zero impact on the readers and those that interact on their sites. That is... until with everything in the gaming industry at the moment... they start to downsize.
It has nothing to do with being "left leaning". To be honest, most of the top comments on all IGN posts are heavily right leaning. Usually some pretty sick stuff at that. Politics have nothing to do with this consolidation. It's about finances. We're headed towards another 80's game crash. Everything is about profit and pleasing share holders now. Gaming isn't about the art of it anymore. AAA games will implode, and all that will be left are the indie titles that have held the gaming industry up for the last decade. Small gaming sites can no longer thrive like they used to.
You missed what I was trying to convey. These sites all have the same ideals, the same mindset. They're essentially all the same. Now that it's all under one banner... there's been no loss.
I didn't miss your point. Your point is purely political, and there isn't any sort of agenda. The loss is huge. This isn't good for the gaming industry. Every site being under one banner means less trust, more shady back room deals, and a lot of people aren't going to trust any reviews on these sites anymore. IGN already has a bad enough reputation and this is going to seem like the Amazon or Starbucks of the gaming journalism industry. Buying up everybody, monopolizing, and killing trust. But sure, it's all about "leftist" ideas. Whatever that means.
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All you need to do is see a brief video of somebody playing any kind of video game and you should know know to play it I run a new YouTube channel under "Oldgamerz Community Links" inside of the "Video Showcase" of this web forum. And, that should give you a hint on how to play some video games but? I do not showcase the controls or spoil the entire video games.
Why read a strategy guide when you could do the game for real? :-\
back in the day they had manuals today that is something of the past but I like to figure out video games myself in general.
that's just how I am today. But some games I will admit are impossible for me to complete due to glitches or just plain too difficult to play period.
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The loss is huge. This isn't good for the gaming industry. Every site being under one banner means less trust
IGN has a history of doing this. They purchased/merged with GameSpy and subsequently nuked the Planet sites many years ago. IMO, the online landscape for gaming news went down the toilet back then and not this recent thing.
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IGN hasn't been relevant since 2011. The same can be said for all the big gaming news/review sites that peaked in the early and mid 2000s. They are ran by a bunch of out of touch journalists, who are more concerned with how praising or bashing a game will advance their career and reputation more than how good (or bad) the game actually is. On top of that, there is a major pay to play dynamic with all these major sites, where they are incentived to give specific games higher scores in order to maintain access to events, review copies, and inside connections to benefit their sites. IGN and the rest of the gaming journosphere is corrupt and illegitimate to the core. Anyone who still takes anything IGN says seriously is either incredibly naive or misinformed.
Independent content creators have stolen IGN's lunch for years now, and it's only a matter of time until their irrelevancy catches up with them and they shut down too. Gamespot, Kotaku, and all the other large gaming sites will also suffer the same fate eventually.
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Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago. Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned. I know this as I have been temp banned from both sites at some point for expressing a non-hostile conservative opinion.
Where am I going with this, you may be asking... If IGN has bought out their competitors, then there is no great loss. It's simply the consolidation of the same opinion under one banner and this will have zero impact on the readers and those that interact on their sites. That is... until with everything in the gaming industry at the moment... they start to downsize.
I miss gametrailers.com so much it hurts. It was the last breath of fresh air when it came to big gaming news sites, largely because of how much interesting, independent content they hosted. They were really ahead of their time. It's just too bad it didn't end up working out for them. I still rewatch their old reviews from the 2000s and 2010s, and all their great shows like pop-fiction, their retrospectives and countdowns, and some of the other shows they used to host. A lot of people forget that's where AVGN, Pat the Nes Punk, and Screwattack used to primarily host their content.
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I don't have a horse in this race. I just wanted to point out that you can't spell ignorant without IGN.
That motto has always made me chuckle.
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I don't feel as if I have ever really engaged with any of these websites significantly for many years at this point. It will be interesting to see what changes are made to the websites or if they will just keep to the status quo. I'd assume a significant downsizing may occur/closures in the short to mid term however.
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Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago. Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned. I know this as I have been temp banned from both sites at some point for expressing a non-hostile conservative opinion.
Where am I going with this, you may be asking... If IGN has bought out their competitors, then there is no great loss. It's simply the consolidation of the same opinion under one banner and this will have zero impact on the readers and those that interact on their sites. That is... until with everything in the gaming industry at the moment... they start to downsize.
It has nothing to do with being "left leaning". To be honest, most of the top comments on all IGN posts are heavily right leaning. Usually some pretty sick stuff at that. Politics have nothing to do with this consolidation. It's about finances. We're headed towards another 80's game crash. Everything is about profit and pleasing share holders now. Gaming isn't about the art of it anymore. AAA games will implode, and all that will be left are the indie titles that have held the gaming industry up for the last decade. Small gaming sites can no longer thrive like they used to.
You missed what I was trying to convey. These sites all have the same ideals, the same mindset. They're essentially all the same. Now that it's all under one banner... there's been no loss.
I didn't miss your point. Your point is purely political, and there isn't any sort of agenda. The loss is huge. This isn't good for the gaming industry. Every site being under one banner means less trust, more shady back room deals, and a lot of people aren't going to trust any reviews on these sites anymore. IGN already has a bad enough reputation and this is going to seem like the Amazon or Starbucks of the gaming journalism industry. Buying up everybody, monopolizing, and killing trust. But sure, it's all about "leftist" ideas. Whatever that means.
Fair enough. You didn't miss my point. You saw it and ignored it entirely.
If you still have trust in the reviews these sites have then I don't know what to tell you. They haven't been trustworthy... any of them... in at least a decade.
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Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago.
Was it ever good? Granted my experience with US and British magazines is a bit limited (id did read quite a few PDFs though) but seemingly there were always cases of "Paid Review" (best example: Rise of the Robots, both in Germany and in the UK some magazines handed out suspiciously high ratings), like the Driv3r scandal of Future Press and even back then a lot of these journalists had their agendas, wether it's being a pacifist shitting all over "violent games" or the british overrating each and every football game ever made.
Looking over the ratings, even 30-40 years ago it is baffling what these magazines rated and you can see bias everywhere.
In that regard not much has chaned, only that the bias changed from "I rate genres high i love" or "we take bonuses for ratings" changed to "we're left leaning SJW's who can't tolerate anything but our oppinion".
Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned.
I would argue the worse part is that these so called journalists directly try to push their agendas, directly want to take influence on creative freedom and basically dictate what is ok and what isn't (in their mind). Prime examples are the crying about Stellar Blade or 6 years ago the massive bitching about Kingdom Come: Deliverance's "lack of diversity" and them trying to push Warhorse into adding black NPCs. The Eurogamer review of KC:D is a prime example, as it's obvious the reviewer desperately needs to rate the game badly because of "racism and sexism" but can't flat out say it, so instead he nitpicks minor stuff and thinks a couple bugs are the end of the world
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While I don't interact with any of the affected news outlets at all, the major takeaway is industry consolidation. In short, competition is good.
Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned.
I would argue the worse part is that these so called journalists directly try to push their agendas, directly want to take influence on creative freedom and basically dictate what is ok and what isn't (in their mind).
Both left and right wing politics have a vocal voice within the industry. While journalism itself may be dominated by the former, there are just as many news coverage and reactionary YouTube channels for the latter, which the argument could be made are just as influential with their respective audiences. If you think one group "directly [tries] to push their agendas" and wants "to take influence on creative freedom and basically dictate what is ok," then you must acknowledge that the statement applies to individuals from both groups, and certainly not all individuals. That is all I have to say on the matter.
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All major new sources have paid articles. It even happens in television news, especially for local TV news where segments consist of three things primarily: 1. Local stories, 2. national stories, 3. paid stories. The paid stories are done as a form of advertising, they are either acquired by the company itself (they have sales departments) or come from one of the services they subscribe to. Print media does the same thing and since online news websites are based on the workings of legacy (print and television) media, it is expected that they work the same way.
In the early internet things were different because those legacy media corporations did not have a large foothold. Sure they had their own websites but there were many other websites that sprang up where news was being delivered by non-affiliated aka regular people. This is "on the streets" reporting which is usually better in at least that it is organic. Over time those new internet alternatives disappeared, either were bought by the new guard of online media (who were able to suplant legacy media since they were not quick enough to adapt) or disappeared over time like forums. Independent media barely exists now and the on-the-streets equivalent is only found on social media sites.
There is always going to be bias. The big company's bias is driven by money and the regular person bias is their own opinions. You won't ever escape that as there are far too few people who are able to deliver information in that way. And if metrics are correct, people tend to prefer news that is biased or opinionated more than just straight information. Straight info is the domian of specialized fields (science and finance) and the average person is not interested in that type of information.
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Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago.
This.
(https://i.imgur.com/8sPiFkh.png)
From IGN's "Gone to GameCube" article found here:https://www.ign.com/articles/2002/02/11/gone-to-gamecube (https://www.ign.com/articles/2002/02/11/gone-to-gamecube).
Just straight up news with some screenshots you might not find anywhere else. No "Opinion" articles like on Kotaku. I don't know who wrote the article (IGN says "Peer/96Sturmvogel96") and to be honest I don't care. It gets the job done and that's what matters. I have information and knowledge, not some "freelance writer" profile picture sitting in my memory.
It doesn't feel like news anymore either. IMHO the overall standard of diction has decreased (I say, using an acronym). Further back it felt like an actual group peer reviewed magazines and even websites to make the diction feel like this is a statement made by an organization. Instead, nowadays an article is written by Joe Schmo with his twitter handle in his IGN profile. E.g., my "Pocket Games 7" GameCube guide (not endorsed by Nintendo) FEELS like a gaming magazine. IGN articles do not feel like gaming magazines and instead feel like a paper. I'm aware a magazine is not a website, however the writing principle is the same.
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While I don't interact with any of the affected news outlets at all, the major takeaway is industry consolidation. In short, competition is good.
Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned.
I would argue the worse part is that these so called journalists directly try to push their agendas, directly want to take influence on creative freedom and basically dictate what is ok and what isn't (in their mind).
Both left and right wing politics have a vocal voice within the industry. While journalism itself may be dominated by the former, there are just as many news coverage and reactionary YouTube channels for the latter, which the argument could be made are just as influential with their respective audiences. If you think one group "directly [tries] to push their agendas" and wants "to take influence on creative freedom and basically dictate what is ok," then you must acknowledge that the statement applies to individuals from both groups, and certainly not all individuals. That is all I have to say on the matter.
Please give me examples of conservative leaning gaming media. Not poking the bear. Genuinely want to know about them so I can watch their content.
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Both left and right wing politics have a vocal voice within the industry. While journalism itself may be dominated by the former, there are just as many news coverage and reactionary YouTube channels for the latter, which the argument could be made are just as influential with their respective audiences.
Please give me examples of conservative leaning gaming media. Not poking the bear. Genuinely want to know about them so I can watch their content.
Search for the latest major "controversy" in gaming news. For example, you'll have luck when searching news for the upcoming game Assassin's Creed Shadows regarding its protagonist. Similar to what tripredacus explained, this is more like "on the streets" reporting since these channels are largely independent, although I'm sure a considerable amount are sponsored. Regardless, these channels certainly have dedicated audiences.
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Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago. Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned. I know this as I have been temp banned from both sites at some point for expressing a non-hostile conservative opinion.
Where am I going with this, you may be asking... If IGN has bought out their competitors, then there is no great loss. It's simply the consolidation of the same opinion under one banner and this will have zero impact on the readers and those that interact on their sites. That is... until with everything in the gaming industry at the moment... they start to downsize.
It has nothing to do with being "left leaning". To be honest, most of the top comments on all IGN posts are heavily right leaning. Usually some pretty sick stuff at that. Politics have nothing to do with this consolidation. It's about finances. We're headed towards another 80's game crash. Everything is about profit and pleasing share holders now. Gaming isn't about the art of it anymore. AAA games will implode, and all that will be left are the indie titles that have held the gaming industry up for the last decade. Small gaming sites can no longer thrive like they used to.
You missed what I was trying to convey. These sites all have the same ideals, the same mindset. They're essentially all the same. Now that it's all under one banner... there's been no loss.
I didn't miss your point. Your point is purely political, and there isn't any sort of agenda. The loss is huge. This isn't good for the gaming industry. Every site being under one banner means less trust, more shady back room deals, and a lot of people aren't going to trust any reviews on these sites anymore. IGN already has a bad enough reputation and this is going to seem like the Amazon or Starbucks of the gaming journalism industry. Buying up everybody, monopolizing, and killing trust. But sure, it's all about "leftist" ideas. Whatever that means.
Fair enough. You didn't miss my point. You saw it and ignored it entirely.
If you still have trust in the reviews these sites have then I don't know what to tell you. They haven't been trustworthy... any of them... in at least a decade.
I didn't ignore it. I clearly addressed it. Your point was that sites being left leaning and political makes them untrustworthy. That was your point, and I addressed it as such. I also never once said I trusted anything.
I will agree with you that you can't trust most sites anymore, and gaming reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt from journalists. I usually go towards user reviews these days, and even then you have to be cautious with review bombing, which can be misleading, or an entire game getting negative reviews over a single issue.
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I didn't ignore it. I clearly addressed it. Your point was that sites being left leaning and political makes them untrustworthy. That was your point, and I addressed it as such.
First off, that was not my point. My point was that a leftist controlled site eating up other leftist controlled sites won't have an impact on the readers. Regardless, they'll still have the same opinion pushed at them.
Second, I'm glad you don't trust reviews on any of these sites. Kudos.
Search for the latest major "controversy" in gaming news. For example, you'll have luck when searching news for the upcoming game Assassin's Creed Shadows regarding its protagonist. Similar to what tripredacus explained, this is more like "on the streets" reporting since these channels are largely independent, although I'm sure a considerable amount are sponsored. Regardless, these channels certainly have dedicated audiences.
I appreciate you confirming that there is no conservative gaming outlet capable of silencing opinions they don't like.
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Search for the latest major "controversy" in gaming news. For example, you'll have luck when searching news for the upcoming game Assassin's Creed Shadows regarding its protagonist. Similar to what tripredacus explained, this is more like "on the streets" reporting since these channels are largely independent, although I'm sure a considerable amount are sponsored. Regardless, these channels certainly have dedicated audiences.
I appreciate you confirming that there is no conservative gaming outlet capable of silencing opinions they don't like.
To clarify, I never claimed such outlets were successful by whatever metric you want to gauge that condition. They have their dedicated audiences, as I previously mentioned, but they're unpopular with the general public for a reason. Simply put, it is because their views do not align with the views of most who engage with them.
Again, this goes back to what tripredacus mentioned in that "[t]he big company's bias is driven by money and the regular person bias is their own opinions." So, you won't see a company like IGN publish those kinds of opinion pieces because there isn't any money to be earned expressing those beliefs as it's a minority opinion. By assuming a like-minded position with their audience, these larger companies can continue to grow and maintain readership since, again, they're popular opinions. With that understanding, none of these conservative outlets would be able to "silence" the opinions (whatever that means) of those opposite to them.
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none of these conservative outlets would be able to "silence" the opinions (whatever that means) of those opposite to them.[/font]
I appreciate the clarification. By "silence", I mean deleting postings and banning users who express an "unpopular" opinion... even in a respectful way. If others aren't able to even read opposing viewpoints, which is the goal of any totalitarian system... then it would most certainly appear as though an opposing viewpoint is in the minority.
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I appreciate you confirming that there is no conservative gaming outlet capable of silencing opinions they don't like.
none of these conservative outlets would be able to "silence" the opinions (whatever that means) of those opposite to them.
I appreciate the clarification. By "silence", I mean deleting postings and banning users who express an "unpopular" opinion... even in a respectful way. If others aren't able to even read opposing viewpoints, which is the goal of any totalitarian system... then it would most certainly appear as though an opposing viewpoint is in the minority.
I first understood the expression on a more global scale, so this changes my outlook. Any outlet, regardless of its bias, is capable (which is the term you originally used) of silencing any opposing viewpoint, should they choose to do so. This is especially true in modern times with digital news, comments, and users accounts, as you've pointed out.
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So, you won't see a company like IGN publish those kinds of opinion pieces because there isn't any money to be earned expressing those beliefs as it's a minority opinion.
This is actually incorrect. Corporations do this all of the time, but not for the reasons you think they do. They do it as a CYA because many companies have learned from the MeToo/cancel movements of years ago. Fortunately, many companies are realising that they have been catering to a vocal minority and this has been effecting their bottomline. So they will either change or go under.
I don't understand the need to trust what a website says. They just provide information.
Game reviews became worthless as soon as streaming became available. I stopped reading them not because of what the authors wrote about, but that it wasn't helpful to me to decide if I wanted to play something or not. If I am interested in something and there is no demo available, I will watch someone streaming it. Then I can decide for myself whether I like it. Since games are not all about graphics or story or whatever else is typical to be graded in a game review.
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Based on this entire thread, it really shows just how much politics plays a major role in gaming journalism. Any social issue will trigger either side and get them to engage in the comments. Engagement is key these days for anyone to get paid on any platform. Simple views aren't enough, like they were 20 years ago. The latest "issue" with Assassin's Creed: Shadows goes to show this. Both sides are flooding social media, either defending it or trying to tear it apart. This is what these outlets thrive on.
Has anyone noticed the lack of indie reviews over the last several years? Unless the game has gone viral on streaming or social platforms, no one will cover it.
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Game reviews became worthless as soon as streaming became available. I stopped reading them not because of what the authors wrote about, but that it wasn't helpful to me to decide if I wanted to play something or not. If I am interested in something and there is no demo available, I will watch someone streaming it. Then I can decide for myself whether I like it. Since games are not all about graphics or story or whatever else is typical to be graded in a game review.
For the average person, I'd imagine the amount of time they're willing to invest in vetting a game as something they'd want to play or not is low. If that's so, then watching someone stream a game instead of interacting with a review (written or visual) is only worthwhile for certain types of games with straightforward gameplay, like sports and rhythm. Any genre which has complex systems or a variety of gameplay mechanics will likely not all be shown in a few minutes of uninterrupted gameplay, so streaming seems limited.
Personally, I generally will watch video reviews. I feel that most reviewers across all things are simply bad at reviewing (mostly in regards to highly subjective point systems), so at least a variety of footage is offered with video reviews for me to decide if a game seems interesting enough.
Has anyone noticed the lack of indie reviews over the last several years? Unless the game has gone viral on streaming or social platforms, no one will cover it.
Some of that reason can probably be explained by the presence of content algorithms and the possibility of greater exposure when covering a hot topic. That said, there are still plenty of reviews for indie games, but maybe not as many for any one game in particular. People have access to hundreds if not thousands of newly-published games on any given day, so the pool is large.