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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: castletonsnob on December 30, 2024, 05:51:07 am
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Have you ever had trouble finding a copy of an older CD/DVD game that worked? I'm on my third copy of Final Fantasy X. The copies keep having moments where they take me to the PS2 screen that shows up when the console can't read the disc.
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Have you ever had trouble finding a copy of an older CD/DVD game that worked? I'm on my third copy of Final Fantasy X. The copies keep having moments where they take me to the PS2 screen that shows up when the console can't read the disc.
I'm pretty sure FF X is one of those discs that's double layered dvd or something?
aka first disc that a ps2 console is going to fail to read. your ps2 console laser is starting to go bad I'd say
games like god of war or rogue galaxy have these kinda discs.
would defo fit for FF X considering it's one of the best looking games on the system to use such a disc
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Have you ever had trouble finding a copy of an older CD/DVD game that worked? I'm on my third copy of Final Fantasy X. The copies keep having moments where they take me to the PS2 screen that shows up when the console can't read the disc.
I'm pretty sure FF X is one of those discs that's double layered dvd or something?
aka first disc that a ps2 console is going to fail to read. your ps2 console laser is starting to go bad I'd say
games like god of war or rogue galaxy have these kinda discs.
would defo fit for FF X considering it's one of the best looking games on the system to use such a disc
It's pretty common for double-layered DVDs to fail?
All my other games work fine.
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Not sure if you tried yet, but try hitting triangle at PS2 menu and adjusting texture mapping and disc speed. If the game discs look perfect. Then take a Q Tip gently with 70 percent isopropyl alcohol and dont soak it. But damp it. Let it air dry slightly than gently clean the eye of the ps2 optical drive. (If you have a slim. If you have a phat you may need to get one of those disc eye cleaners or take itnapart. Its kind of a pain in the rump)
If a console fails to load 3 different discs. Its almost always the console sadly. But a good eye clean, disassembly and dusting can do wonders.
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Not sure if you tried yet, but try hitting triangle at PS2 menu and adjusting texture mapping and disc speed. If the game discs look perfect. Then take a Q Tip gently with 70 percent isopropyl alcohol and dont soak it. But damp it. Let it air dry slightly than gently clean the eye of the ps2 optical drive. (If you have a slim. If you have a phat you may need to get one of those disc eye cleaners)
If a console fails to load 3 different discs. Its almost always the console sadly. But a good eye clean, disassembly and dusting can do wonders.
You think it's the console? Like I said, my other games work fine.
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It happened to me with Dirge of Cerberus, also on PS2. Took me like three or four copies to finish the game.
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I knew of PS1 discs getting bad with time, had to exchange three beloveth Final Fantasy titles, including a few expensive ones.
Never heard of certain PS2-discs making problems, and never had such.
What I can say is, that I cleaned and internally dedusted the fatty I bought in 2003 exactly two times since then, and it runs for thousands of hours now, showing no signs of ever stopping :o
Wish U best luck, maybe cleaning the lense of the laser does the trick.
Me, trying to finish all my PS1-RPGs before rotting away, terrified AF now ... !
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Not sure if you tried yet, but try hitting triangle at PS2 menu and adjusting texture mapping and disc speed. If the game discs look perfect. Then take a Q Tip gently with 70 percent isopropyl alcohol and dont soak it. But damp it. Let it air dry slightly than gently clean the eye of the ps2 optical drive. (If you have a slim. If you have a phat you may need to get one of those disc eye cleaners)
If a console fails to load 3 different discs. Its almost always the console sadly. But a good eye clean, disassembly and dusting can do wonders.
You think it's the console? Like I said, my other games work fine.
I cant know for sure, but i'd assume 3 different discs wouldnt be faulty. PS2 games are usually fairly hardy Must be the PS2 not handling that game. Like Sworddude said FFX uses double layer dvd, a few others do. When my original PS2 was letting go as a kid. It would not load any copy of Tekken Tag Tournament. So I guess sometimes the eye refuses to read certain games.
PS2s are unique and even when they were new would sometimes load certain disc types more favorably. Be seemingly allergic to some games for no reason. Its bizzare.
If theirs no disc rot, major scratches or a lot of top layer peeling on the disc. Its probably a finicky PS2 thing. Hopefully you get it workimg. Good luck with it all!
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My copy of Beyond Good and Evil had moments where sounds would repeat, and 1 or 2 moments where a level wouldn't load, but I was still able to beat it.
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It may not be the disc. PS2s have some of the most notoriously crap disc lasers of any console every created. I'm not exaggerating when I say I've been through about a dozen PS2 consoles since it came out, all of them stopped reading games gradually. I have a silver slim I've been using for about 4-years now that is starting to stop reading discs consistently. Even the same game, which worked fine the night before, suddenly can't read the game. It's beyond frustrating since the PS2 is otherwise an amazing console.
I know there are ODE substitutes out there, but I pray for the day that someone releasing a well working ODE like the Xstation or MODE for the PS2. It desperately needs one for people who don't want to go down the emulation rabbit hole, and also to give all those non-working PS2s unable to read discs a new lease on life.
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I have yet to run into the issue with my PS2 slim, but I don't play it often.
When my Game Gear ended up dead, I sent it away to be fixed by someone far more competent than me. They had to replace all the boards as the capacitors leaked, eating away the motherboard. Works like new now.
There has to be capable modders to fix our replace the parts to something as good if not better than the original piece. Probably won't be cheap, but there must be people out there.
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I have yet to run into the issue with my PS2 slim, but I don't play it often.
When my Game Gear ended up dead, I sent it away to be fixed by someone far more competent than me. They had to replace all the boards as the capacitors leaked, eating away the motherboard. Works like new now.
There has to be capable modders to fix our replace the parts to something as good if not better than the original piece. Probably won't be cheap, but there must be people out there.
They sell replacement lasers which aren't super difficult to install, but the one and only time I did this the laser worked for less than 6 months before it needed to be replaced. I'm not one of those people who constantly fears the disc rot boogey man, but it's not unreasonable to assume most the disc lasers in our favorite CD consoles or the games themselves won't work in 50+ years, maybe even sooner. I've taken steps to address this by trying to future proof my consoles by backing games up, utilizing non-optical drive tech to place the old tech, and even HDMI modding consoles to where I can plug them directly into a modern TV without the need to use an upscaller (I have a few of those as well). There are few disc based retro consoles left that don't have an ODE available for them, but unfortunately the PS2 is one of them. There are ways of loading games directly off a specialized memory card or using an HDD if you have a fat model, but none of them are streamlined like the Xstation, MODE, or Fenrir.
Your Game Gear is another example of something that I've seen in more and more retro consoles, especially ones that utilized cheap caps. The Turbo Duo is another console that used low quality caps in their consoles. I had to rebuild about a dozen traces on one I restored a few years ago along with recapping the entire board. It was a pain, but in the end the console worked like new. Eventually all the caps in every retro console will need to be replaced since none of them last forever unfortunately.
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Not sure if you tried yet, but try hitting triangle at PS2 menu and adjusting texture mapping and disc speed. If the game discs look perfect. Then take a Q Tip gently with 70 percent isopropyl alcohol and dont soak it. But damp it. Let it air dry slightly than gently clean the eye of the ps2 optical drive. (If you have a slim. If you have a phat you may need to get one of those disc eye cleaners)
If a console fails to load 3 different discs. Its almost always the console sadly. But a good eye clean, disassembly and dusting can do wonders.
You think it's the console? Like I said, my other games work fine.
only very few games are dual layered dvd's. it's the first kinda game that's going to fail on a ps2 console.
also ps2 discs usually got to be very bad before they become unreadable. so if the condition of these discs where pretty nice, which ain't uncommon for rpg's on the ps2. it definitely ain't the game that's at fault.
still marvel's advice ain't bad, have seen people cleaning the laser with a cue tip in which they could play dual layered discs again. was dirty enough supposedly.
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My copy of Persona 4, which I didn't think would run at all because it's in worse shape than my copy of FFX, runs fine.
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My copy of Persona 4, which I didn't think would run at all because it's in worse shape than my copy of FFX, runs fine.
ps2 discs can work while in pretty poor shape. in your case it's probably just the type of disc. give the laser a clean and if your lucky you don't need to replace it while it will work fine
I have yet to run into the issue with my PS2 slim, but I don't play it often.
When my Game Gear ended up dead, I sent it away to be fixed by someone far more competent than me. They had to replace all the boards as the capacitors leaked, eating away the motherboard. Works like new now.
There has to be capable modders to fix our replace the parts to something as good if not better than the original piece. Probably won't be cheap, but there must be people out there.
Your Game Gear is another example of something that I've seen in more and more retro consoles, especially ones that utilized cheap caps. The Turbo Duo is another console that used low quality caps in their consoles. I had to rebuild about a dozen traces on one I restored a few years ago along with recapping the entire board. It was a pain, but in the end the console worked like new. Eventually all the caps in every retro console will need to be replaced since none of them last forever unfortunately.
the ones with shitty quality like game gear etc for sure. almost every game gear has shitty caps these days. and say og xbox in which most of them used trash caps
I could see it happening for the cd based sega consoles for sure. disc based sony ones aswell. it's really really uncommon though from what I've seen. it ain't gonna be anytime soon prior to ps3 era. ps3 xbox 360 era and later, ye those gonna die in the next 10 years if you don't replace stuff aside from the switch.
But I really can't see this happening for majority of card based systems that ain't named the jaguar. or stuff like the cube or wii. and or if it happens we ain't on this planet no more in other words gonna take a long ass time.
Snes N64, genesis, GBA gameboy classic, neo geo pocket I don't see it unless it's in a terrible abused shape. even less so for them cart based games that have some.
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To me, it seems like the easiest way to determine if it's a hardware issue relating to your console being unable to play dual-layered discs like Final Fantasy X is to test out another disc of its kind.
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To me, it seems like the easiest way to determine if it's a hardware issue relating to your console being unable to play dual-layered discs like Final Fantasy X is to test out another disc of its kind.
What discs would that be?
OK, I looked it up, and Final Fantasy X isn't listed as a dual-layer game.
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To me, it seems like the easiest way to determine if it's a hardware issue relating to your console being unable to play dual-layered discs like Final Fantasy X is to test out another disc of its kind.
What discs would that be?
OK, I looked it up, and Final Fantasy X isn't listed as a dual-layer game.
that do be interesting to hear, it is however one of the most heavy games on the system with more data however. I highly doubt it's the game's fault if you tried 3 in nice shape.
certain revisions of the ps2 have issues with playing certain games, even ps2 games. Wikipedia has however unfortunately removed the list of which models are incompatible with which games. kinda strange how that happened a couple years ago.
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To me, it seems like the easiest way to determine if it's a hardware issue relating to your console being unable to play dual-layered discs like Final Fantasy X is to test out another disc of its kind.
What discs would that be?
OK, I looked it up, and Final Fantasy X isn't listed as a dual-layer game.
that do be interesting to hear, it is however one of the most heavy games on the system with more data however. I highly doubt it's the game's fault if you tried 3 in nice shape.
It doesn't seem to be in TOO bad shape.
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To me, it seems like the easiest way to determine if it's a hardware issue relating to your console being unable to play dual-layered discs like Final Fantasy X is to test out another disc of its kind.
What discs would that be?
OK, I looked it up, and Final Fantasy X isn't listed as a dual-layer game.
that do be interesting to hear, it is however one of the most heavy games on the system with more data however. I highly doubt it's the game's fault if you tried 3 in nice shape.
It doesn't seem to be in TOO bad shape.
it's a pretty cheap game, maybe cause this game is pretty much packed to the maximum it being in not superb shape could cause problems? could also just be a laser going weak problem however. maybe try with a near to mint copy next time and see if the issue persists?
if it's starting to get weak, games need to be in better shape for the console to read them withouth issues.
I'd still recommend at least giving the laser a clean with some alcohol though.
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Do you think it's the game, or the PS2's laser?
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Do you think it's the game, or the PS2's laser?
How is the condition of the disc? Disc is far more packed compared to the average game. so unlike other games wich have more room for empty spots and to duplicate data. FF X doesn't have that luxury. would need to be in better shape on average.
However it's a 2 sided problem. could also just be a weaker laser cause unless it has some damage at the top and the damage is actually severe a good ps2 should be able to read it.
a temporary solution if it's the laser that's starting to wear down could be to try and polish the FF X copy to be near mint and up in which your laser can read it easier.
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Do you think it's the game, or the PS2's laser?
How is the condition of the disc?
Looked at it. It has quite a few scratches, but PS2 discs are supposed to be pretty hardy, as someone else said.
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Do you think it's the game, or the PS2's laser?
How is the condition of the disc?
Relatively good, I guess.
so it has some light scratches. It's probably your console struggling with trying to read it. Try a near mint to mint copy in the future and see if the issue persist I'd say quite a cheap game you'll find one at some point. or give the disc some disc repair to weed out most of the scratches and see if that fixes it.
Where all 3 of your FF X copies in relatively good shape. none in near mint to mint shape? I could see lasers that are starting to break down have issues with bigger games if they aren't near perfect. almost every spot is used on the disc in FF X case with over 4gigs when a dvd has a max cap of 4.5
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I edited my post, FYI.
Looked at it. It has quite a few scratches, but PS2 discs are supposed to be pretty hardy, as someone else said.
Please delete the last post.
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Do you think it's the game, or the PS2's laser?
How is the condition of the disc?
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Do you think it's the game, or the PS2's laser?
How is the condition of the disc?
Looked at it. It has quite a few scratches, but PS2 discs are supposed to be pretty hardy, as someone else said.
it is but not when the laser is on it's way out especially not with big games like this. in your case, I'd recommend disc repair and see if the issue persists.
Get those scratches cleaned out so that your ps2 has an easier time reading them.
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I got the PS2 back in 2021. It should still be in relatively good shape, right?
How do you recommend I clean out the scratches?
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I got the PS2 back in 2021. It should still be in relatively good shape, right?
was it used from somebody else or brand new?
Considering it's 2021 I find it hard to believe it was brand new. would cost quite a bit if that's the case.
also phat or slim version?
disc repair, go to some shops or stores that offer a disc repair service, usually should only cost a few bucks.
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I got the PS2 back in 2021. It should still be in relatively good shape, right?
was it used from somebody else or brand new?
Considering it's 2021 I find it hard to believe it was brand new. would cost quite a bit if that's the case.
also phat or slim version?
disc repair, go to some shops or stores that offer a disc repair service, usually should only cost a few bucks.
Pre-owned, and a Slim.
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I got the PS2 back in 2021. It should still be in relatively good shape, right?
was it used from somebody else or brand new?
Considering it's 2021 I find it hard to believe it was brand new. would cost quite a bit if that's the case.
also phat or slim version?
disc repair, go to some shops or stores that offer a disc repair service, usually should only cost a few bucks.
Pre-owned, and a Slim.
what model number? allot of slim versions are unreliable aside from the latest version. 90K version is pretty reliable for example
And in pre owned it probably already was used quite allot.
also earlier slim models have some compatibility issues with quite some games, even some ps2 ones. wikipedia however removed the list some time ago. kinda doubt X was in there but still.
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I don't see any stores near me that offer CD/DVD repair.
I looked at the bottom, which has a lot of sticky paper residue, and it says SCPH-7500.
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I don't see any stores near me that offer CD/DVD repair.
I looked at the bottom, which has a lot of sticky paper residue, and it says SCPH-7500.
7500 is not a great one. well if there ain't an cd repair shops nearby. I'd recommend to just skip FF X for now. enjoy the console with other games.
Find a better copy in the future, quite cheap and common game.
Or like some people already said, Give the laser a cleaning with some alcohol and a cotton swab. could just be a bit dirty after a few years. could do wonders seen people doing that and even being able to read dual layered discs again.
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Do you think it's more likely my PS2, then?
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Do you think it's more likely my PS2, then?
I would probably work on a ps2 with a good laser yes.
However in said state a clean copy of X would probably be read withouth issues.
In your state I wouldn't go for drastic measures if all other games can be enjoyed however. Take it slow no rush.
FF X is a Very cheap and common game, it's not something that even resellers can get rid of easily. you'll find a cleaner copy easily at some point on the cheap.
Get a near mint to mint disc in the future if you decide to try it out. aka only very few very faint scratches if not better.
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I was able to get to Evrae in my last copy of FFX, which I'd estimate to be the halfway point of the game, and I think this copy might be in about the same shape or better.
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I would boot up the disc and memory card in another console and see if it has the same issues at the same fail points.
I opened a dvd copy of Donnie Darko a few weeks back and was bummed to see it fail when the second layer tried to play. Brand new disc. No finger prints. No scratches. Failed at exact same point in 3 other players as soon as it hit the second layer.
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I would boot up the disc and memory card in another console and see if it has the same issues at the same fail points.
The guy failed with 3 different copies of the same game though
also movie dvd's generally lower production quality and bad batches.
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I would boot up the disc and memory card in another console and see if it has the same issues at the same fail points.
The guy failed with 3 different copies of the same game though
also movie dvd's generally lower production quality and bad batches.
Yep. That’s why I suggested trying a different console. It doesn’t sound like a disc issue.
If the other console craps out in same spot though, you’ll know for sure without having to try resurfacing or replacing system parts.
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I would boot up the disc and memory card in another console and see if it has the same issues at the same fail points.
The guy failed with 3 different copies of the same game though
also movie dvd's generally lower production quality and bad batches.
Yep. That’s why I suggested trying a different console. It doesn’t sound like a disc issue.
If the other console craps out in same spot though, you’ll know for sure without having to try resurfacing or replacing system parts.
Why don't you think it's a disc issue?