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General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: soera on February 06, 2013, 09:34:12 am
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http://www.shopto.net/news/41860/Rumour-Next-Xbox-is-online-only-no-preowned-game-support
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If its true. Then they've lost my business and its one step closer to Scotty changing focus to all retro all the time.
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My suspicion (or prediction, I guess) is that Microsoft will base their new console around the unified entertainment ecosystem they've been pushing for with stuff like Windows 8, which will mean Blu-ray support, and continue to push for integration with technology like Kinekt and SmartGlass. They won't necessarily abandon media support, but I think we'll see a huge focus put on digital applications like you'll find on iOS and Android, and it'll all be wrapped up with Xbox Live as a for-profit subscription service.
Marketing goons, analysts, and executives will consider this the correct strategy, largely because the media keeps telling them that smartphones and tablets are going to kill the console industry if they don't adapt. The problem is that the market for cheap, disposable smartphone games is almost entirely separate from the market of hardcore gamers that buy dozens of games each year for $20-60 a pop.
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I think they will do what Nintendo is doing right now. Every new release will be offered right there in your living room for download and in a physical form at the store. Nintendo has this going on in their eShop right now. Look for more of it in the future.
As far as my dreaming for the next gen Xbox, I want them to put in a DVD Changer. I want the physical media, but I love the convience of changing games without getting off my ass.
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As far as my dreaming for the next gen Xbox, I want them to put in a DVD Changer. I want the physical media, but I love the convience of changing games without getting off my ass.
You know ... I find this to be a fantastic idea. I cant believe it hasnt been considered (if it has, where the fuck is it?) before. I would seriously like to be able to put like 10 disks in my system and just be able to switch without taking one out. I had a CD changer in my car back in 96. That was almost 20 years ago and its still not possible for game systems? C`mon console designers, get busy!
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I think they will do what Nintendo is doing right now. Every new release will be offered right there in your living room for download and in a physical form at the store. Nintendo has this going on in their eShop right now. Look for more of it in the future.
Microsoft and Sony were doing this long before Nintendo did.
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They do it on release day? Shows how much attention I pay to downloadable stuff.
Back to the disc changer. If they would just let me rip the game to my system and still have the physical media, I would be happy.
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I do know that Ni no Kuni was available on release day as download for $5 cheaper than a store bought copy.
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They do it on release day? Shows how much attention I pay to downloadable stuff.
As far as I know, that's typically been the case, especially over the past couple of years. In some instances, I think I've also heard of the digital release coming out a couple days earlier than the physical, though I can't be sure on that. I'm not a big fan of digital distribution, so I don't generally pay much attention to that side of things.
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I know that many people seem to believe that those of us (myself, definitely included here) who say "If the next gen of consoles does/doesn't do ___ - then I'm not buying it" will end up, eventually, 'caving' and buying one anyways, sometime down the road because there will be games that we will want to play so badly - we will eventually overlook/forgive (whatever the problem and/or complaint was)...
...I'm here to (*Vehemently*) say that -
I'm *NOT* one of them!
"one of them" = someone who will buy it later, in spite of ___.
I'll even go a bit further...and state w/o any hesitation, that I will *NEVER* buy/support ANY console that does away with (or even...is angling towards/phasing-out) the *choice* of buying, selling, collecting, loaning, re-selling, etc of physical media!
I know some welcome & look forward to an all Digital future -and- I certainly wouldn't judge/begrudge any/everyone who prefers digital options, as a matter of fact...they're more than welcome to them -but- take away *MY* choice (even if at a higher price point) for physical media and (admittedly, only a drop in the bucket to the big companies)...I figure that I probably spend in the ballpark of ~$10,000/yearly (more if I'm an early adopter of a costly new console) on 'video-gaming-related' expenditures.
My hope is, that if there's enough of these "drops" that...once the bucket is 1/4 to 1/2 way full...someone will take notice >:(
/Rant/Diatribe/Blog :o
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I'll even go a bit further...and state w/o any hesitation, that I will *NEVER* buy/support ANY console that does away with (or even...is angling towards/phasing-out) the *choice* of buying, selling, collecting, loaning, re-selling, etc of physical media!
Yep, you and me both. The question is, are Microsoft and/or Sony going to try and force us to prove it?
I'm getting really anxious for the rumors to stop and to find out for certain what they're both planning next-gen, because right now, I'm not feeling particularly optimistic.
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I'll even go a bit further...and state w/o any hesitation, that I will *NEVER* buy/support ANY console that does away with (or even...is angling towards/phasing-out) the *choice* of buying, selling, collecting, loaning, re-selling, etc of physical media!
Yep, you and me both. The question is, are Microsoft and/or Sony going to try and force us to prove it?
I'm getting really anxious for the rumors to stop and to find out for certain what they're both planning next-gen, because right now, I'm not feeling particularly optimistic.
Yeah...as of now (*especially* after seeing how far off some of the rumors leading up to the release of the previous gen of home consoles was) - I have *ABSOLUTELY* Z.E.R.O. faith in the accuracy/veracity of any & all rumors leading up to this next gen 8)
I'm not feeling very optimistic here, either :(
*BUT* (and this is a *HUGE* but:) -
*Personally*, sitting on a backlog of (*Literally*) hundreds of games spread across the systems, consoles, and hand-helds that I already own (Including: (2) PS3's (One B/C w/ PS1 & PS2 games & the other only B/C w/ PS1 games), a PS2 (also B/C w/ PS1 games), a Game-Cube, a Game-Boy Color (B/C w/ regular, Game-Boy games), a PSP (3000), ac DSi-XL, and a 3DS-XL + the fact that almost the entirety of this backlog is made up of Loooonnng-Ass RPG's & SRPG's...
...my feelings will be hurt *MUCH* less than they would have been at the start of any other/previous generation of gaming; since I (*Literally*) more than likely have enough games to play to last the rest of my life...W/O even having to re-play any of 'em :)
TL;DR
If they (any of the companies) fuck up...Fuck 'Em - I *really* don't 'need' them anymore ;D
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My suspicion (or prediction, I guess) is that Microsoft will base their new console around the unified entertainment ecosystem they've been pushing for with stuff like Windows 8, which will mean Blu-ray support, and continue to push for integration with technology like Kinekt and SmartGlass.
You mean the stuff that will undoubtedly get ABANDONED in a couple of years? Like Games for Windows Live already is? Like XNA just was?
Fuck Microsoft. I have NO INTEREST in a console like this. I'm going PC all the way now.
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You mean the stuff that will undoubtedly get ABANDONED in a couple of years? Like Games for Windows Live already is? Like XNA just was?
Fuck Microsoft. I have NO INTEREST in a console like this. I'm going PC all the way now.
100% exactly. I'd love to be wrong, but I really don't get the impression they're pushing in any direction but the one I laid out, and they've consistently fucked up every single service they've ever launched. Ugh, just the mention of GFWL makes me livid.
Edit: To be fair, Sony's been extremely tight-lipped about their plans, and they've already managed to sell the PlayStation as a media hub without gimping it as a game system, so maybe there's still hope. I just hope they can resist the urge to have their executives speak in public, and let the hardware do the talking instead.
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In all honestly I'm going to just wait until the actual announcement to get upset. There are always tons of rumors flying around before new consoles are announced and it's just not worth getting worked up about.
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If this is true.... my ass. Kiss it.
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i dont think nintendo would ever do this and reason i say that is because nintendo hates change and if they don't have to change they won't and the only reason to do this is be a greedy assholes and nintendo doesn't need to be greedy because they have the most iconic characters in video game history and i'm pretty sure 80 to 90 of percent people who have nintendo console will buy the latest zelda and mario game new and the same go's for all of there other games because people trust them to make good to excellent games and they build that trust up by listening to their customers and the last nintendo direct proofs that and some thing like this will break that trust and nintendo would not like that but sony and microsoft are more of corporation and only cares about what will make them money and not what the customers wants and this would make them more money
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nintendo doesn't need to be greedy because they have the most iconic characters in video game history and i'm pretty sure 80 to 90 of percent people who have nintendo console will buy the latest zelda and mario game new and the same go's for all of there other games because people trust them to make good to excellent games and they build that trust up by listening to their customers and the last nintendo direct proofs that and some thing like this will break that trust and nintendo would not like that but sony and microsoft are more of corporation and only cares about what will make them money and not what the customers wants and this would make them more money
A lot of people seem to have developed this idea that Nintendo is a company of happy, friendly people that loves them in a special kind of way, and is somehow exempt from the greed and calculating coldness that permeates other, lesser corporations.
Let's get this out of the way: Nintendo is not your friend. Sony isn't your friend. Microsoft isn't your friend. Every single one of them has, at various points, done things to fuck over customers, third-party developers and publishers, and journalists. Let's rewind a little bit and cover some highlights.
- Nintendo was sued (and lost) for imposing draconian contracts on third parties that stipulated that they were not allowed to release games on competing platforms if they wanted to release on Nintendo consoles.
- The fairly infamous incident where Nintendo contracted Sony to create a CD add-on for the SNES, then publically shamed them by announcing a contract with Philips for the same thing... while Sony was demonstrating their product for Nintendo at the same tech show.
- Now retired Nintendo chairman Hiroshi Yamauchi shitting all over RPG fans - "People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games." He's currently among the top 500 wealthiest people in the world.
I could go on. I'm not saying Nintendo is evil, and Microsoft and Sony are shiny, happy companies that love you, but I'm really tired of people pretending that Nintendo is somehow not just as much of an evil, greedy corporation. They're not still around because they have iconic characters, they're still around because they know how this game is played, and this industry is every bit as nasty and backbiting as any other.
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A lot of people seem to have developed this idea that Nintendo is a company of happy, friendly people that loves them in a special kind of way, and is somehow exempt from the greed and calculating coldness that permeates other, lesser corporations.
Let's get this out of the way: Nintendo is not your friend. Sony isn't your friend. Microsoft isn't your friend. Every single one of them has, at various points, done things to fuck over customers, third-party developers and publishers, and journalists.
Q.
F.
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This.
So very, very much 8)
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nintendo doesn't need to be greedy because they have the most iconic characters in video game history and i'm pretty sure 80 to 90 of percent people who have nintendo console will buy the latest zelda and mario game new and the same go's for all of there other games because people trust them to make good to excellent games and they build that trust up by listening to their customers and the last nintendo direct proofs that and some thing like this will break that trust and nintendo would not like that but sony and microsoft are more of corporation and only cares about what will make them money and not what the customers wants and this would make them more money
A lot of people seem to have developed this idea that Nintendo is a company of happy, friendly people that loves them in a special kind of way, and is somehow exempt from the greed and calculating coldness that permeates other, lesser corporations.
Let's get this out of the way: Nintendo is not your friend. Sony isn't your friend. Microsoft isn't your friend. Every single one of them has, at various points, done things to fuck over customers, third-party developers and publishers, and journalists. Let's rewind a little bit and cover some highlights.
- Nintendo was sued (and lost) for imposing draconian contracts on third parties that stipulated that they were not allowed to release games on competing platforms if they wanted to release on Nintendo consoles.
- The fairly infamous incident where Nintendo contracted Sony to create a CD add-on for the SNES, then publically shamed them by announcing a contract with Philips for the same thing... while Sony was demonstrating their product for Nintendo at the same tech show.
- Now retired Nintendo chairman Hiroshi Yamauchi shitting all over RPG fans - "People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games." He's currently among the top 500 wealthiest people in the world.
I could go on. I'm not saying Nintendo is evil, and Microsoft and Sony are shiny, happy companies that love you, but I'm really tired of people pretending that Nintendo is somehow not just as much of an evil, greedy corporation. They're not still around because they have iconic characters, they're still around because they know how this game is played, and this industry is every bit as nasty and backbiting as any other.
out of the three evils nintendo is not evilest and i do agree that nintendo has done some vary shitty things but nintendo also has had the same old school mindset for the last 124 years and something like this would feel out of place for nintendo
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In all honestly I'm going to just wait until the actual announcement to get upset.
This.
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out of the three evils nintendo is not evilest and i do agree that nintendo has done some vary shitty things but nintendo also has had the same old school mindset for the last 124 years and something like this would feel out of place for nintendo
There is a difference between brand identity and being resistant to common sense. The lack of Blu-ray support for the Wii U, especially considering they're using a proprietary variant of the format, is not "old-school" at this point, it's stupid. Asking people to pay $300+ for a console that addresses what people were clamoring for 8 years ago is stupid. Admitting that you had to ask other companies for advice on how to develop games for your own fucking product is stupid.
You're right that Nintendo won't go the same route as Microsoft and Sony, but it's not because they're old-school and special, it's because their business model is based on offering outdated technology at a comparative premium in order to maximize profit margins. Gunpei Yokoi developed this concept, albeit wrapped up in a nice, feel-good package, and it's been their modus operandi ever since... and Nintendo threw him out on his ass minute this philosophy didn't translate into high profits.
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out of the three evils nintendo is not evilest and i do agree that nintendo has done some vary shitty things but nintendo also has had the same old school mindset for the last 124 years and something like this would feel out of place for nintendo
There is a difference between brand identity and being resistant to common sense. The lack of Blu-ray support for the Wii U, especially considering they're using a proprietary variant of the format, is not "old-school" at this point, it's stupid. Asking people to pay $300+ for a console that addresses what people were clamoring for 8 years ago is stupid. Admitting that you had to ask other companies for advice on how to develop games for your own fucking product is stupid.
You're right that Nintendo won't go the same route as Microsoft and Sony, but it's not because they're old-school and special, it's because their business model is based on offering outdated technology at a comparative premium in order to maximize profit margins. Gunpei Yokoi developed this concept, albeit wrapped up in a nice, feel-good package, and it's been their modus operandi ever since... and Nintendo threw him out on his ass minute this philosophy didn't translate into high profits.
people don't seem to understand that nintendo see consoles as toys and not as a form of media like sony or microsoft and that's why you don't see them adding blu-ray/dvd support or high end graphics and that there business model
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out of the three evils nintendo is not evilest and i do agree that nintendo has done some vary shitty things but nintendo also has had the same old school mindset for the last 124 years and something like this would feel out of place for nintendo
There is a difference between brand identity and being resistant to common sense. The lack of Blu-ray support for the Wii U, especially considering they're using a proprietary variant of the format, is not "old-school" at this point, it's stupid. Asking people to pay $300+ for a console that addresses what people were clamoring for 8 years ago is stupid. Admitting that you had to ask other companies for advice on how to develop games for your own fucking product is stupid.
You're right that Nintendo won't go the same route as Microsoft and Sony, but it's not because they're old-school and special, it's because their business model is based on offering outdated technology at a comparative premium in order to maximize profit margins. Gunpei Yokoi developed this concept, albeit wrapped up in a nice, feel-good package, and it's been their modus operandi ever since... and Nintendo threw him out on his ass minute this philosophy didn't translate into high profits.
people don't seem to understand that nintendo see consoles as toys and not as a form of media like sony or microsoft and that's why you don't see them adding blu-ray/dvd support or high end graphics and that there business model
Nintendo of America sees their consoles as toys. Nintendo of Japan on the other hand. They make consoles that will sale, sale cheap, and sale quickly. Nintendo have been riding a wave of stardom ever since they "saved" the video games industry in the 80's Most seem to have the idea that Nintendo only cares for the consumer. Scratch the surface of their business practices though and you will see they like the others only care about maximizing profits and minimizing costs by any means necessary. This is typical of any business that plans on staying around for a while.
On topic though. I believe that Microsoft themselves said early last year that they weren't going to penalize the used games. Were they lying?, maybe. Time will tell. Remember that these "news sites" like to generate crap for hits.