General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: htimreimer on March 06, 2013, 06:26:02 pm
Title: Always-On DRM
Post by: htimreimer on March 06, 2013, 06:26:02 pm
what do you think of always on drm?
i hate always on drm and if companies like ea want my money they will skip it
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: burningdoom on March 06, 2013, 08:38:42 pm
I hate it because what about playing offline?
I have my Xbox 360 in my extra room with no internet because I have the original model 360 that isn't wireless, and I keep it in the extra room so I can game without fighting for the T.V. with my wife who wants to watch T.V. I bring the Xbox 360 out to the living room when needed for downloads and updates, but normally it's not connected.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: sin2beta on March 06, 2013, 09:06:10 pm
I dislike DRM in general, but will be honest in saying I don't hate it enough to give it all up completely. Always on DRM seems to be the final straw for me though.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: htimreimer on March 07, 2013, 05:07:14 am
you know if companies want piracy to end, they have to give the buyer a reason to buy and as of now there is no reason to buy most games, look at what you get when you pay that 60$, a black and white manual that only talks about the very basics of the game, DVD/Blu-ray Disk, a plastic case and maybe a code of some kind and now your game can come with some bullsh!t DRM that could cause the game to go down temporarily or permanently at anytime and i'm not paying 25+ dollars for a digital download.
the way the video game industry is right now with its business practices and how they treat the customers is likely gonna cause another video game crash and this will be a good thing
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: stethebubble on March 07, 2013, 06:58:44 am
you know if companies want piracy to end, they have to give the buyer a reason to buy and as of now there is no reason to buy most games, look at what you get when you pay that 60$, a black and white manual that only talks about the very basics of the game, DVD/Blu-ray Disk, a plastic case and maybe a code of some kind and now your game can come with some bullsh!t DRM that could cause the game to go down temporarily or permanently at anytime and i'm not paying 25+ dollars for a digital download.
the way the video game industry is right now with its business practices and how they treat the customers is likely gonna cause another video game crash and this will be a good thing
i couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: jobocan on March 07, 2013, 08:02:54 am
It's a problem. I mean, we've had 2 prominent examples of it being a terrible idea already. Diablo 3 was unplayable for a couple days, and now SimCity is unplayable. It's ridiculous to not let someone who paid for his game actually play it at any time they want.
the way the video game industry is right now with its business practices and how they treat the customers is likely gonna cause another video game crash and this will be a good thing
Oh, the industry has been crashing for the last couple years already. It's just not in plain sight as it was in '83.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: libernullmal on March 07, 2013, 10:34:03 am
I'm ok with some protection but when it hinders my hours of play that is a different story. As I see it I shouldn't have to connect to the internet everytime I want to play a game by myself.. Of course I can understand why Blizzard did what they did with that Diablo 3. It works for most part you can play by yourself or game with others. but They didn't want stupid people to ruin the game for others with hacks and whatnot. Of course they need to do something that makes sure it is flawless as far as gameplay 3 days offline is unacceptable in my opinion.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: insektmute on March 07, 2013, 11:06:59 am
I find myself becoming less and less tolerant of this sort of crap as time goes on. There's way too much extraneous garbage being attached to games, too many developers that are willing to sacrifice quality for bullshit, and I find it's getting easier over time to stop supporting it. I already gave up on Assassin's Creed, and I suspect Dead Space (among others) is soon to follow.
Something's gotta break eventually, and I'd rather see greedy publishers die so that more deserving ones can flourish. More companies need to take a page from folks like Atlus, Nippon Ichi, and CD Projekt RED.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: libernullmal on March 07, 2013, 11:08:39 am
I'm kinda confused insektmute, what kinda crap is added to Assassin's Creed? or are you talking about the later part of the series?
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: insektmute on March 07, 2013, 02:44:02 pm
I dropped Assassin's Creed because they turned it into a yearly cash cow, and the quality dropped sharply enough that I wanted off the bus. Way too many arbitrary changes, sloppy level design, superficial writing, idiotic Uplay implentation, endless streams of DLC, just... ugh.
It's sad, because they did a really great job with ACII, but I'm perfectly content with not supporting it beyond that.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: scott on March 07, 2013, 02:56:06 pm
I really liked Assassin's Creed III. But then again, I like the American Revolution. I'm not sure about ACIV... it might be the 1st one in the series I don't buy at release and wait til it drops in price.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: insektmute on March 07, 2013, 08:04:21 pm
Speaking of douchebags in business suits, anyone else following the SimCity debacle? Way to go EA, you're doing an awesome job of reinforcing my decision to boycott you again!
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: jobocan on March 07, 2013, 10:22:53 pm
Speaking of douchebags in business suits, anyone else following the SimCity debacle? Way to go EA, you're doing an awesome job of reinforcing my decision to boycott you again!
Yeah, it's one of the 2 prominent examples I mentioned in my post (the other being Diablo 3). I'm gonna be surprised at this point when game companies don't try to be asses to their loyal paying customers.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: insektmute on March 08, 2013, 12:52:52 pm
D'oh, I dunno how I missed that you mentioned SimCity. Much derp lately.
I'm with you, though. I've opted to react by making a more conscious effort to support niche developers instead, or catch up on stuff I've had wishlisted for a long time. It may not have much of an impact on anyone's quarterly results, but I've picked up a ton of really great games as a result.
Potential downside: It's reignited my lust for a Saturn and PC Engine. Works for me!
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: scott on March 08, 2013, 01:16:07 pm
Potential downside: It's reignited my lust for a Saturn
Buy my games! >_>
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: insektmute on March 08, 2013, 01:47:24 pm
They all suck! :p
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: scott on March 08, 2013, 02:18:13 pm
So? :D
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: insektmute on March 08, 2013, 03:03:05 pm
I'll buy them all if you buy me a copy of Batsugun :D
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: scott on March 08, 2013, 03:36:40 pm
Hmm, lemme see... I'd have to buy 2 copies of Batsugan...
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: insektmute on March 08, 2013, 04:08:01 pm
So... about $160. It's a value!
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: scott on March 08, 2013, 04:31:38 pm
And if you act now, we'll throw in this fancy dancy amazing fry slicer/onion chopper/orange peeler! Yours free*! *Just pay separate shipping and handling. Fancy dancy amazing fry slicer/onion chopper/orange peeler is not guaranteed to work as described, no hold up to abuse.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: insektmute on March 08, 2013, 05:45:18 pm
The sad part is, I'd probably jump on a Batsugun-themed onion chopper.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: redblaze57 on March 08, 2013, 05:56:32 pm
Always on DRM is a great thing, it's not like it's actually preventing the people who are online from actually playing the game...
I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THE FUTURE!!!
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: htimreimer on March 09, 2013, 12:44:21 am
one reason i hate the DRM is that it treats the paying customer like a criminal, as if ea and other game developers are saying "we cant trust the customer, so lets put a leash on them", this does not make me want to buy the game but instead it makes want to pirate the game, so i can crack it and disable the online stuff, trust is important and i cant trust a company that doesn't trust me.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: thedisappearer on March 09, 2013, 06:23:32 am
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: kuro on March 09, 2013, 02:16:10 pm
I'm done buying games like this to tell them I wont take it anymore, and it really pisses me off that I have to have internet or their say-so to play things I own.
NO. I'm Done, now they can just not have money until they figure stuff out.
Honestly, EA'sgonna hurt after the simcity fiasco. most of those people are done too.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: karyann on March 09, 2013, 09:16:00 pm
As a game collector, the part I hate the most about always-on DRM is for, well, collecting purposes. What about when I want to play the game and the company no longer supports it? Part of the fun in collecting is to play the games even decades after their release. I totally agree with what's already been said, but the worse deal-breaker for me is this.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: kimimi on March 09, 2013, 11:06:26 pm
one reason i hate the DRM is that it treats the paying customer like a criminal, as if ea and other game developers are saying "we cant trust the customer, so lets put a leash on them"
This is my problem with it as well. I'm not against unobtrusive checks (I've never had an authentication/usage problem with Steam, for example), but the assumption that I'm a criminal the instant I'm unable to connect to their servers and the knowledge that pirates will have an easier time playing than I do is insulting.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: htimreimer on March 10, 2013, 01:46:51 am
one reason i hate the DRM is that it treats the paying customer like a criminal, as if ea and other game developers are saying "we cant trust the customer, so lets put a leash on them"
This is my problem with it as well. I'm not against unobtrusive checks (I've never had an authentication/usage problem with Steam, for example), but the assumption that I'm a criminal the instant I'm unable to connect to their servers and the knowledge that pirates will have an easier time playing than I do is insulting.
it is insulting and it will get people to pirate the game, then ea will complain about it, not realizing that its there fault and even when they get there servers in order, it will still suck, look at most mmo's and the problems they have
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: insektmute on March 10, 2013, 01:36:20 pm
This is my problem with it as well. I'm not against unobtrusive checks (I've never had an authentication/usage problem with Steam, for example), but the assumption that I'm a criminal the instant I'm unable to connect to their servers and the knowledge that pirates will have an easier time playing than I do is insulting.
Curiously, the ONE time I had a problem with Steam was related to EA. I bought the PS3 version of Portal 2 direct from them when it was on sale, since it included a free digital copy of the PC version. When I went to authorize it on Steam, it kicked back that the code was already in use, so I had to take pictures of my receipt, the code, and the game itself to prove that it was legit.
Steam support made it quick and painless to get everything working correctly, but since EA apparently can't even keep physical copies in their own store from being pirated, it's kind of amusing to think they consider DRM to be a viable solution.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: jobocan on March 10, 2013, 01:52:37 pm
And it seems people aren't getting that we need to actually fight against this kind of practices... Reviews and comments everywhere are people saying "don't buy SimCity until the server issues are fixed"... But what about "Don't buy SimCity, and maybe skip buying EA games at all until they get that this bullshit is bad for everyone"? Companies doing all these bad practices won't stop if people don't stop buying their games, and that's not happening.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: insektmute on March 10, 2013, 02:53:32 pm
^ This. I boycotted EA and Activision last gen, and started buying EA stuff for a little while when it seemed like they were making an effort to turn around a bit. After I discovered that none of the DLC for Mass Effect was playable without being online to "authenticate" the shit I already bought, I put the boycott back in place, and it's probably going to be a loooong time before it's lifted again, if it ever will be.
It's unfortunate how many people talk about doing this sort of thing, but continue to support the companies they hate. Talking smack online is cheap.
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: jobocan on March 10, 2013, 03:53:00 pm
It's unfortunate how many people talk about doing this sort of thing, but continue to support the companies they hate. Talking smack online is cheap.
You think? http://fenixius.net/blogstuff/mw2boycott.jpg
Title: Re: Always-On DRM
Post by: redblaze57 on March 10, 2013, 03:55:10 pm
surprised no one else has posted this yet on here
Title: Re: Always-On
Post by: htimreimer on March 12, 2013, 12:20:20 am
question?, how many people cant play games with always-on drm because they developing country where internet is vary slow & expensive , how many people cant play games with always-on drm because live in a rural area & all they got is a slow dial-up connection, i live saskatchewan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan) and storms are always coming and can easily knock out my connection, are companies just ignoring the facts for their own shelf gain?