General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: htimreimer on April 25, 2013, 03:59:17 am
Title: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: htimreimer on April 25, 2013, 03:59:17 am
nintendo will not have be having a big event at E3 this year all because of the success of nintendo direct. nintendo will instead have one or two smaller event's at E3 that will focused on software and nothing else
i like this nintendo direct strategy but what do you guys think of it?
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: jobocan on April 25, 2013, 07:10:05 am
That's.... interesting. I figure they'll just have a bunch of mini-presentations just before E3, and have all the announced stuff playable there.
Still quite an odd thing to do, it's gonna be interesting to see how this turns out. Maybe it will usher in a new way for game companies to handle the event.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: htimreimer on April 25, 2013, 08:12:21 am
satoru iwata talks about it here (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/130425/04.html)
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: scott on April 25, 2013, 12:20:41 pm
I haven't put much stock in E3 in years. I'm thinking that Nintendo also believes this and is showing it by deciding to forgo a big E3 presentation.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: insektmute on April 25, 2013, 12:48:06 pm
I'm a cynic at heart, so I'm inclined to interpret this as Nintendo simply not having enough new stuff to show to make it worthwhile, and so they're trying the same one-on-one approach they did with trying to attract 3rd party developers to the Wii U. Which has clearly worked out really well for them. o.O
Maybe they'll have more to show by the time TGS rolls around?
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: sin2beta on April 25, 2013, 01:17:39 pm
Am I misreading the Iwata announcement? It seemed pretty standard. He basically just wrote 'don't expect new hardware or something as big as last years' Here is the quote: "At E3 this year, we are not planning to launch new hardware, and our main activity at E3 will be to announce and have people experience our software. " This doesn't seem small, but exactly as expected. He also mentioned splitting up announcements to have some specific for fans and some for business. This makes sense to me.
I did not see that Nintendo is planning a small showing. However, it will hopefully (For Sony and Microsoft's sake) be a lot smaller than the companies debuting new hardware.
What Nintendo needs to do is show a Mario Kart/Smash Bros. or the like and be done. Sounds like this is happening.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: burningdoom on April 25, 2013, 01:21:22 pm
I just read an update on Facebook straight from E3 denying this, and saying that Nintendo will indeed have a presence at E3:
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Hey, everyone! To avoid confusion, yes, Nintendo is still at E3 and we’re looking forward to their news and games. You can’t tear us away from Mario Kart!
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: jobocan on April 25, 2013, 01:48:09 pm
Yeah they'll still be AT E3 and will have closed keynotes and the usual demo stations for upcoming games, they just won't have that usual big presentation, choosing instead to do more Nintendo Directs, it seems.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: scott on April 25, 2013, 01:49:54 pm
I think the Nintendo Direct thing seems to be a good idea. I've actually watched a bunch of them and been hyped about most everything I've seen. Plus it makes it feel like they are reaching out to the consumer, much more than a huge convention speech does.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: desocietas on April 25, 2013, 02:38:05 pm
He also mentioned splitting up announcements to have some specific for fans and some for business. This makes sense to me.
As crappy as the Wii U event for fans was, the DSi event I went to ages ago was *awesome*. I'm down for more fan events - it's nice to see other videogame fans in person...
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: htimreimer on April 25, 2013, 06:33:19 pm
Yeah they'll still be AT E3 and will have closed keynotes and the usual demo stations for upcoming games, they just won't have that usual big presentation, choosing instead to do more Nintendo Directs, it seems.
and i think this is a vary good move for nintendo
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: burningdoom on April 25, 2013, 07:53:19 pm
I don't think it's a good decision at all. Nintendo is floundering with the Wii U. And it cost them a lot to develop it.
They need to build up a fanbase around it. And to do that, they need a big presence at E3 to drive the hype. And they really need some must-have first-party titles to sell the system.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: sin2beta on April 25, 2013, 08:03:50 pm
I don't think that E3 is needed. It's an industry conference. As a fang hype machine, E3 meant something years ago. It's not that important anymore.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: htimreimer on April 25, 2013, 08:20:22 pm
I don't think it's a good decision at all. Nintendo is floundering with the Wii U. And it cost them a lot to develop it.
They need to build up a fanbase around it. And to do that, they need a big presence at E3 to drive the hype. And they really need some must-have first-party titles to sell the system.
i have two things to say
(1) if nintendo did do the big event at E3 they they would unfortunately be over shadowed by the PS4 and next box announcements and there's is no point of doing a big event if your just gonna be over shadowed plus it just a hype machine anyway
(2) the biggest problem with the wii u is not a lack of fan base but marketing, i have only seen commercials for the wii u once or twice on tv and both commercials were just awful and didn't say what product was , they need better marketing for sales to go up but they just don't have it as of now
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: jobocan on April 25, 2013, 08:49:15 pm
I don't think it's a good decision at all. Nintendo is floundering with the Wii U. And it cost them a lot to develop it.
They need to build up a fanbase around it. And to do that, they need a big presence at E3 to drive the hype. And they really need some must-have first-party titles to sell the system.
They will have a big presence at E3 though. No conference, sure, but they'll probably have multiple Nintendo Direct events right around that time (before and during E3), some closed presentations/roundtables and they'll have tons of stuff to play on the floor, which I'd argue is more important than the conference.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: burningdoom on April 28, 2013, 02:29:29 am
I really don't understand how most of the gaming community sees this as a good thing. I don't understand why people don't want to see what's on the horizon for Nintendo. And I don't understand why they'd want to see one of the biggest events in the gaming world (E3) to be downsized.
It just seems like change for the sake of change, to me. And that's never a good thing.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: jobocan on April 28, 2013, 01:11:03 pm
I really don't understand how most of the gaming community sees this as a good thing. I don't understand why people don't want to see what's on the horizon for Nintendo. And I don't understand why they'd want to see one of the biggest events in the gaming world (E3) to be downsized.
It just seems like change for the sake of change, to me. And that's never a good thing.
It's because people WILL see what's on the horizon for Nintendo. Nintendo will have Nintendo Direct presentations before/during E3, a smaller presentation for the press, another smaller presentation for retailers, the usual roundtables, and the games will be playable at E3 (which, again, is the most important part of E3 since that's where the only meaningful journalism from E3 comes from).
Literally the only different thing from usual is that Nintendo won't be wasting tons of money on a completely worthless presentation. Those big E3 presentations cost LOTS of money, and now they have a way to reach exactly the same audience for a fraction of the cost with Nintendo Direct (because all those sites streaming the usual E3 presentations will probably also be streaming those Directs).
I've been trying to find a negative point to this, and frankly I've got nothing. Nintendo is still gonna announce new games and show off games people want to see like Smash, the new 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Wind Waker HD and whatever Retro Studios is working on (and probably a couple surprises), and the gaming press will keep reporting on it. Nothing is lost.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: burningdoom on April 28, 2013, 01:19:58 pm
I really don't understand how most of the gaming community sees this as a good thing. I don't understand why people don't want to see what's on the horizon for Nintendo. And I don't understand why they'd want to see one of the biggest events in the gaming world (E3) to be downsized.
It just seems like change for the sake of change, to me. And that's never a good thing.
It's because people WILL see what's on the horizon for Nintendo. Nintendo will have Nintendo Direct presentations before/during E3, a smaller presentation for the press, another smaller presentation for retailers, the usual roundtables, and the games will be playable at E3 (which, again, is the most important part of E3 since that's where the only meaningful journalism from E3 comes from).
Literally the only different thing from usual is that Nintendo won't be wasting tons of money on a completely worthless presentation. Those big E3 presentations cost LOTS of money, and now they have a way to reach exactly the same audience for a fraction of the cost with Nintendo Direct (because all those sites streaming the usual E3 presentations will probably also be streaming those Directs).
I've been trying to find a negative point to this, and frankly I've got nothing. Nintendo is still gonna announce new games and show off games people want to see like Smash, the new 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Wind Waker HD and whatever Retro Studios is working on (and probably a couple surprises), and the gaming press will keep reporting on it. Nothing is lost.
Nothing negative except that one of the biggest events in gaming is gonna get downsized because people think it's "too bloated". What a bunch of B.S. If this starts a trend and we start seeing the same treatment of E3 from other companies, we're gonna be 10 years down the road looking back and saying "Remember how cool E3 was?"
How can true gaming fans be upset about a gaming event getting "too bloated"? Something that big in a field you love should be something embraced and looked forward to every year.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: jobocan on April 28, 2013, 02:23:14 pm
But there's no downsizing at the actual event. It's still in the same big conference center as usual with the same amount of real estate and all the companies will be doing the same thing as usual. To us members of the general public the presentations look like this big important thing, but they're really the least important element of E3. The most important part of the conference is the press getting to try the new games and reporting on that, and that's not changing. The event is still huge and Nintendo not having a separate super-expensive presentation isn't changing that at all.
Nintendo's still doing presentations, Sony's still doing presentations, Microsoft is still doing presentations, EA and Ubisoft are still wasting peoples' time, the press will still be playing the new games and consoles, we're still getting all the news... Nothing is changing at all for us.
Frankly I wonder why it took a company so long to realize that they could find ways to present their news without wasting millions of dollars on presentations that really don't give out anymore news than the Nintendo. The industry right now is in a state where companies should be trying to waste less money, and these presentations are just that, a waste of money. It's not "downsizing because it's bloated", it's just a company being smart about it and not wasting money they don't need to waste.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: burningdoom on April 28, 2013, 02:28:27 pm
Well then I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree. Because I've always looked forward to the big presentations, and I for one am gonna miss it.
It was always a big event for me. Sit down with some snacks and get ready to be amazed. Then discuss it all with the other gamers online and count down to release dates.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: htimreimer on April 28, 2013, 02:41:10 pm
unfortunately E3 is becoming irrelevant to gaming companies, 2K games won't even have booth at E3 this year and i have to wonder how many more will be doing the same thing
source of info (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/04/26/2k-games-take-two-rockstar-E3-2013/)
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: jobocan on April 28, 2013, 03:24:36 pm
Well then I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree. Because I've always looked forward to the big presentations, and I for one am gonna miss it.
It was always a big event for me. Sit down with some snacks and get ready to be amazed. Then discuss it all with the other gamers online and count down to release dates.
Except that's not changing, you'll still have some presentations to watch from Nintendo, just not the same format. You'll still be able to sit down with some snacks and be amazed by all they're gonna announce using their Nintendo Direct presentations (I figure there's gonna be at least 2 of them), and then discuss it with gamers and countdown to release dates.
The only actual difference is that Nintendo isn't wasting as much money as usual.
I see why you're reticent at this change, I was too until I read more into it and figured what they were planning. As part of the public the presentations are all we really see, but E3 is much more than that. I never went to E3 myself (I almost did, I think 3 years ago, but my friend was chosen to go instead of me), but there's no doubt that the most important part is that people get to play and comment on all the new games.
Title: Re: No Big E3 Event for Nintendo
Post by: sin2beta on April 28, 2013, 07:41:08 pm
But here is alphaOmegaSin's take on it. Def not safe for work. But it is safe for awesomeness...