General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: sin2beta on May 11, 2013, 10:56:17 am
Title: Capcom vs. Konami: Which do you enjoy more?
Post by: sin2beta on May 11, 2013, 10:56:17 am
These were always two of the biggest and best third party developers (at least during the 8 and 16 bit days). If you had to pick only one, which would it be? Mega Man vs. Contra, Resident Evil vs. Silent Hill, Street Fighter vs Castlevania, the list goes on.
I will vote Konami. I always preferred Konami the feel and look of Konami games. I will take the feel and design of X-Men or Turtles in Time over Final Fight any day. Castlevania is probably my favorite 8-bit game. And honestly, although I love capcom, their two biggest titles: Mega Man and Street Fighter never really spoke to me.
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Post by: patrickmeansly on May 11, 2013, 12:20:04 pm
These were always two of the biggest and best third party developers (at least during the 8 and 16 bit days). If you had to pick only one, which would it be? Mega Man vs. Contra, Resident Evil vs. Silent Hill, Street Fighter vs Castlevania, the list goes on.
I will vote Konami. I always preferred Konami the feel and look of Konami games. I will take the feel and design of X-Men or Turtles in Time over Final Fight any day. Castlevania is probably my favorite 8-bit game. And honestly, although I love capcom, their two biggest titles: Mega Man and Street Fighter never really spoke to me.
THO' I LOVE SILENT HILL, I WILL HAVE TO PICK RESIDENT EVIL OVER SILENT HILL. RE 3 NEMESIS DID IT FOR ME! AWESOME GAME! , AND MEGA MAN OVER CONTRA. I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF STREET FIGHTER OR CASTLEVANIA SO I CANT PICK ONE OF THESE.
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Post by: exonerator on May 11, 2013, 12:29:06 pm
I literally cannot disparage either of them, so I have to say both. Even today, they both have their flaws, but I can't really choose between the two at all.
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Post by: burningdoom on May 11, 2013, 02:39:39 pm
Both are fantastic companies that I loved, especially during the 8-bit and 16-bit eras.
It's a hard choice, but if I had to choose, it would be Capcom. There's the obvious reasons like the long-running Mega Man and MMX series, Resident Evil series, Street Fighter & SF Alpha series, and the VS. series. But there's also a lot of great lesser talked about games/series like Bionic Commando, Duck Tales 1 & 2, Knights of the Round, X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse, and the Breath of Fire games among others.
That's not to say Konami is bad by any means, though. TMNT games, Gradius games, X-Men Arcade, Metal Gear Solid, Castlevania (this series alone almost makes me want to change my mind), Sunset Riders, etc.
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Post by: soera on May 11, 2013, 03:57:52 pm
I would have to choose Capcom too. I like Mega man games somewhat but its some of their other titles that I really like. Breath of fire series, Bionic commando, and Black tiger! Not that there is anything wrong with Konami in any sense. The Konami code is a staple in the retro gaming world and Contra games are legendary.
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Post by: kingrat101 on May 11, 2013, 07:01:09 pm
Im on the Konami side, I do really enjoy street fighter and, 8 and 16 bit mega man, But Contra and Castlevania are amazing. Gradius is fantastic, Silent Hill beats Resident Evil to me cause it takes itself a little more seriously. Rocket Knight Adventures is one of the best platformers I've played. I also enjoy Konami more because their games are difficult, I mean Mega Man is challenging but Capcom seem to make their games a little too easy at times... specifically the Street Fighter series
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Post by: burningdoom on May 11, 2013, 07:47:56 pm
Both are fantastic companies that I loved, especially during the 8-bit and 16-bit eras.
It's a hard choice, but if I had to choose, it would be Capcom. There's the obvious reasons like the long-running Mega Man and MMX series, Resident Evil series, Street Fighter & SF Alpha series, and the VS. series. But there's also a lot of great lesser talked about games/series like Bionic Commando, Duck Tales 1 & 2, Knights of the Round, X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse, and the Breath of Fire games among others.
That's not to say Konami is bad by any means, though. TMNT games, Gradius games, X-Men Arcade, Metal Gear Solid, Castlevania (this series alone almost makes me want to change my mind), Sunset Riders, etc.
Oh yeah! And Capcom did Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, and Minish Cap! Which are all fantastic games!
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Post by: sin2beta on May 11, 2013, 10:06:13 pm
Oh yeah! And Capcom did Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, and Minish Cap! Which are all fantastic games!
Good point! That's a fact I always forget. It's one of those SEGA made F-Zero AX/GX types of facts where the company doesn't match the franchise.
It is a hard pick, but another reason I picked Konami is that they have Hideo Kojima. He is one of the few people I can think of reaching Auteur status. And I don't mean this in a trollish way, but does Capcom have one? Keiji Inafune seems to be the only one coming to mind, but I don't know if I would count him in auteur status, you know. Mega Man and Onimusha have a lot less signature than Snatcher, Policenauts, Metal Gear, Zone of Enders, etc.
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Post by: burningdoom on May 11, 2013, 10:07:59 pm
Oh yeah! And Capcom did Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, and Minish Cap! Which are all fantastic games!
Good point! That's a fact I always forget. It's one of those SEGA made F-Zero AX/GX types of facts where the company doesn't match the franchise.
It is a hard pick, but another reason I picked Konami is that they have Hideo Kojima. He is one of the few people I can think of reaching Auteur status. And I don't mean this in a trollish way, but does Capcom have one? Keiji Inafune seems to be the only one coming to mind, but I don't know if I would count him in auteur status, you know. Mega Man and Onimusha have a lot less signature than Snatcher, Policenauts, Metal Gear, Zone of Enders, etc.
Onimusha, sure. But Mega Man? Come on. Mega Man is possibly only seconded by Mario and Sonic when it comes to franchise volume and recognizability.
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Post by: sin2beta on May 11, 2013, 10:15:38 pm
Oh yeah! And Capcom did Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, and Minish Cap! Which are all fantastic games!
Good point! That's a fact I always forget. It's one of those SEGA made F-Zero AX/GX types of facts where the company doesn't match the franchise.
It is a hard pick, but another reason I picked Konami is that they have Hideo Kojima. He is one of the few people I can think of reaching Auteur status. And I don't mean this in a trollish way, but does Capcom have one? Keiji Inafune seems to be the only one coming to mind, but I don't know if I would count him in auteur status, you know. Mega Man and Onimusha have a lot less signature than Snatcher, Policenauts, Metal Gear, Zone of Enders, etc.
Onimusha, sure. But Mega Man? Come on. Mega Man is possibly only seconded by Mario and Sonic when it comes to franchise volume and recognizability.
Oh, I agree. What I mean by signature and auteur, is creator recognizability and influence. If you pick up a Suda51 game, you know it is a Suda51 game without being told. You know if your reading a Stan Lee comic without looking at the credits. You know if you are watching a Quentin Tarantino film without looking at the credits. While that isn't quite what auteur means, it's close enough. Ayways, Kojima's games feel like they were made by Kojima. When you play Mega Man do you feel like it is an Inafune game or a mega man game? That's an honest question. Because in all honesty, he might be like that. I'm not too familiar.
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Post by: kimimi on May 12, 2013, 02:52:01 am
I wouldn't want to choose between either of them as far as classic gaming goes but these days I'm not looking forward to anything by Konami and the only Capcom series I'm interested in is Monster Hunter. :/
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Post by: scott on May 12, 2013, 03:21:32 pm
When it came to classic Capcom and Konami I couldn't choose. Mainly because I grew up on Castlevania and Mega Man.
But now a days, I'd have to say Konami all the way. Mostly because of Castlevania and Metal Gear Solid. But Konami games still have that Konami feel to them. Where Capcom feels like they are just milking Street Fighter and screwing up their other franchises.
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Post by: burningdoom on May 12, 2013, 03:32:46 pm
Oh yeah! And Capcom did Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, and Minish Cap! Which are all fantastic games!
Good point! That's a fact I always forget. It's one of those SEGA made F-Zero AX/GX types of facts where the company doesn't match the franchise.
It is a hard pick, but another reason I picked Konami is that they have Hideo Kojima. He is one of the few people I can think of reaching Auteur status. And I don't mean this in a trollish way, but does Capcom have one? Keiji Inafune seems to be the only one coming to mind, but I don't know if I would count him in auteur status, you know. Mega Man and Onimusha have a lot less signature than Snatcher, Policenauts, Metal Gear, Zone of Enders, etc.
Onimusha, sure. But Mega Man? Come on. Mega Man is possibly only seconded by Mario and Sonic when it comes to franchise volume and recognizability.
Oh, I agree. What I mean by signature and auteur, is creator recognizability and influence. If you pick up a Suda51 game, you know it is a Suda51 game without being told. You know if your reading a Stan Lee comic without looking at the credits. You know if you are watching a Quentin Tarantino film without looking at the credits. While that isn't quite what auteur means, it's close enough. Ayways, Kojima's games feel like they were made by Kojima. When you play Mega Man do you feel like it is an Inafune game or a mega man game? That's an honest question. Because in all honesty, he might be like that. I'm not too familiar.
Well, all of character designs and robot designs do come straight from pencil-drawings hand-drawn from Inafune. That cartoony feel everything has, is definitely an Inafune signature. At least it is in the original series. Not sure about spin-off series like Legends and Battle Network.
If you're interested at all in this sort of thing, I'd recommend checking out the G4 Icons episode on Mega Man. Very interesting, heck, the entire series of G4 Icons is awesome, I wish it was still on:
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Post by: darko on May 13, 2013, 11:38:43 am
Oh god...IDK? Konami I suppose. Contra, Metal Gear, Castlevania, etc FTW!
That's basically like sitting two $100 bills in front of me and saying "Pick one."
Recently I'd probably go with Konami over Capcom. I'm not saying I hate Capcom, but I don't care for their current business strategy. Also - they've officially ruined RE.
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Post by: burningdoom on May 13, 2013, 12:35:06 pm
I thought RE5 was just a possible mis-step and things might go back in the right direction. But no, RE6 got even further away from what makes a RE game a RE game. And the massive drop in value it has taken so soon after it's release kind of supports that a lot of people feel the same way. Traditionally RE games have held their value for quite a while before this.
It used to be one of my all-time favorite game series, too.
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Post by: scott on May 13, 2013, 12:58:34 pm
It used to be one of my all-time favorite game series, too.
Yep. RE used to be one of my favorite franchises, and I even liked RE5. Though I told everyone that it doesn't feel like a RE game until act 3-4. I thought RE: Revelations was a good entry in the series too. But from what I've heard about Raccoon City and 6, it's disappointing.
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Post by: insektmute on May 13, 2013, 02:33:51 pm
Definitely more of a Capcom guy. While they've made their share of missteps, I've been a Resident Evil and Street Fighter fan for years, like stuff like Lost Planet and Dead Rising quite a bit, and generally speaking, their games have a certain "feel" to them that I really love. Not sure what that feel is exactly - cheesy seriousness, maybe? :p
Konami's got their share of awesome stuff, but it's much more few and far between, and I really despise what they've done with both Castlevania and Silent Hill lately, even moreso than some of the changes Capcom's made to RE. Contra's been meh since Shattered Soldier, and while Metal Gear Solid and Zone of the Enders almost save them, I'm not really warming up to the sudden onslaught of MGS stuff lately. Feels way too much like a cash and grab, either because Kojima's sick of the series, or Konami's gotten too reliant on the series as a cash cow.