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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: 90snostalga on December 05, 2013, 05:25:38 am
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So not sure if this was smart or not but a couple of weeks ago, I picked up a PlayStation 1 console with the controller and cords at my good will. I don't have one so I thought it would be great because I hate playing all my ps1 games on my ps2. I want to save the lens as much as possible. So i get home, tested it out, and it worked perfect! I like to clean my consoles when I first them before setting them up. So I unscrewed it to take it apart and clean the inside. OMG! You will not believe what I seen in there. It was horrific!!! >:( About 10 dead roaches and roach stuff that it grossed me out. I attempted to clean because I wanted the system, but after 2 minutes, I said screw it and I double bagged it and threw it away. Has anyone has this experience, and would you recommend the best to throw it away or take the time to clean it? I do not know if I have the patience for something like that. I thought if I got them up as much as possible it would be fine but I could not risk a breeding nest.
Let me know your thoughts and experiences...
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That is pretty disgusting. I'm not sure what I would do, if you want to, you can clean it, but I can't imagine cockroaches being inside my console, that is a gross thought.
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As someone who used to work at FuncoLand way back in the day...I've seen in all. We used to have to turn down trade-ins simply because they were so filthy. Like...so bad I couldn't even imagine what the home looked like.
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Playstation's aren't rare (or expensive) by any stretch of the imagination, there's no way I'd try to clean something that filthy either.
I remember one customer being surprised that I refused to accept his games for trade in when he pulled them out of his underwear right in front of me - and another who said "Oh don't worry about that mark, it's just some rat excrement (turned out from his pet rat) :o
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:-[ too early in the morning to read about this stuff :'(
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:-[ too early in the morning to read about this stuff :'(
ROFL, this thread is just the right dash of humor I needed about the perils of video game collecting. This being too early in the mourning to read is like icing on that cake.
*picks self off floor and smirks at glaring roommate, after clearing throat*
On a more serious note, one of my consoles was in the same shape and with patience got it back in running condition again. Patience and lots of sterilized hot water. Not scotch tape.
OK, I started laughing again.
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Not scotch tape.
Haha, this reminded me of the crazy things people decide to do with books at our library. All sorts of weird/bad makeshift bookmarks and "repairs."
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It shows character, lol.
I can sympathize, though. I live in an apartment complex. We used to have a very large Mexican family living in a small apartment below us. When they moved out, their cockroaches moved into our apartment. It was a helluva battle for like a month and half to get those bastards out. We tried all kinds of stuff, until we finally got this stuff that was like caulk you'd put in the corners of walls, and that did the trick.
I once walked in the kitchen in the middle of the night while that was going on, and flipped on the light, and saw a swarm of them scurry away. So disgusting. I ate out until we got rid of them after that. I still wash my dishes as soon as I'm done eating because of that horrible nightmare.
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my odyssey 2 came with a spider web and a dead spider,i cleaned it out because i payed $50
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Is there any brown sauce in the system? If no, then its worth salvaging! Just take it outside and get a can of compressed air and blow the thing out then reassemble it.
As far as pulling the games out of underwear to sell them ... I have to try that myself now.
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Is there any brown sauce in the system? If no, then its worth salvaging! Just take it outside and get a can of compressed air and blow the thing out then reassemble it.
As far as pulling the games out of underwear to sell them ... I have to try that myself now.
Brown sauce is salvageable, too. I just got a copy of OutRun with some mysterious brown sauce dried onto it. A little rubbing alcohol and a paper towel took it right off.
Anything can clean up well, if you take the time. I would have with the PS1. The $20 spent for another one, could have been spent on a game for the PS1.
I would have taken it outside to do it, though. No need to risk spreading cockroach eggs in your house.
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Is there any brown sauce in the system? If no, then its worth salvaging! Just take it outside and get a can of compressed air and blow the thing out then reassemble it.
As far as pulling the games out of underwear to sell them ... I have to try that myself now.
Brown sauce is salvageable, too. I just got a copy of OutRun with some mysterious brown sauce dried onto it. A little rubbing alcohol and a paper towel took it right off.
Anything can clean up well, if you take the time. I would have with the PS1. The $20 spent for another one, could have been spent on a game for the PS1.
I would have taken it outside to do it, though. No need to risk spreading cockroach eggs in your house.
brown sauce is barely salvageable when it burns a hole in the label
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I would have taken it outside to do it, though. No need to risk spreading cockroach eggs in your house.
Definately, take it outside and you can get rid of a lot using canned air.
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Brown sauce is salvageable, too. I just got a copy of OutRun with some mysterious brown sauce dried onto it. A little rubbing alcohol and a paper towel took it right off.
... I wouldn't let anything with the sauce touch other things. It's mold. Alcohol may wipe off some stuff, but it won't get rid of everything...
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;D This has been hillarious! Here goes the brown sauce again lol. The brown sauce will never die will it :)
My ATari 2600 that came in, only had one minny spider web in it and a little dirt. That was fine. I took it apart and cleaned till like new. Same for my Famicom. Famicom only had a few dust balls in it. Clean as new. But the playstation just about made me threw up. I can't handle it had to get rid of it. As a kid, we lived in the projects and had roaches everywhere! Disgusting! I just cannot go back to that.
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If there were dead roaches inside I don't blame you for throwing it out cause I would have done the same. Then again I would have had Puked from the site of it
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I picked up an N64 this past summer that, apparently, was part of a time capsule; minus the capsule. It was easily the dirtiest box of stuff I've ever bought; but hell it was $20 for the whole box.
The reset button on the N64 was stuck down, so I cracked it open. It was like a small zoo in there. There were beetles, roaches, and spiders all in this little box. They were all dead and crunchy, but it was still gross. I cleaned it up and passed it on to a new home. Those things are tough.
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Brown sauce is salvageable, too. I just got a copy of OutRun with some mysterious brown sauce dried onto it. A little rubbing alcohol and a paper towel took it right off.
... I wouldn't let anything with the sauce touch other things. It's mold. Alcohol may wipe off some stuff, but it won't get rid of everything...
It definitely came all off, not a trace.
What I couldn't get off was the marker with someone's initials. Usually rubbing alcohol takes it right off, not this time. In fact, I rubbed the red on the label off a little, and it still didn't come off (it was a Master System game).
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Brown sauce is salvageable, too. I just got a copy of OutRun with some mysterious brown sauce dried onto it. A little rubbing alcohol and a paper towel took it right off.
... I wouldn't let anything with the sauce touch other things. It's mold. Alcohol may wipe off some stuff, but it won't get rid of everything...
It definitely came all off, not a trace.
That's what you think, but no one can escape the brown sauce. No one.
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Brown Sauce stains the soul. Nothing can get that out.
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If you get into picking up and repairing old consoles, you will see this a lot. Roaches and ants LOVE living in electronics. I've heard it is because of the magnetic field. But more likely, it is easily defendable and perfect for nests. The little guys invade modems so much that most internet tech people will have "roach bags" for infested modems. When they get called out for a broken modem and see roaches or ants, they just throw them in these bags. I've heard that some companies have trailers full of these. I'm not sure about that part though.
But yeah, you'll find roaches and ants in consoles a lot. Just clean em out.
Interestingly enough, this damages cars a lot too. Mechanics routinely clean mice nests from engines and exhaust. Usually having to remove several cooked critters as well. I'm a fan of Kawasaki Ninjas and the Ninja forum I'm on gets posts like that several times a year.
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If you get into picking up and repairing old consoles, you will see this a lot. Roaches and ants LOVE living in electronics. I've heard it is because of the magnetic field. But more likely, it is easily defendable and perfect for nests. The little guys invade modems so much that most internet tech people will have "roach bags" for infested modems. When they get called out for a broken modem and see roaches or ants, they just throw them in these bags. I've heard that some companies have trailers full of these. I'm not sure about that part though.
But yeah, you'll find roaches and ants in consoles a lot. Just clean em out.
Interestingly enough, this damages cars a lot too. Mechanics routinely clean mice nests from engines and exhaust. Usually having to remove several cooked critters as well. I'm a fan of Kawasaki Ninjas and the Ninja forum I'm on gets posts like that several times a year.
this is definitely true, my NES also had spiders
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One other thing I can say is that I bought my XBox from Vintage Stock. Once I brought it home I noticed a roach crawling out of the fan grate. Not that Vintage Stock is dirty, it's just something about electronics that bugs like. I just cleaned it out.
I make a point to routinely open and clean my consoles not just for maintenance but to make sure there are no bugs creating a bugtropolis in there.
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I've had stuff that had spider webs in it, but I don't think I've actually even seen a cockroach. It's just not a common problem around here. That being said, now I'm wary of every console I have sitting in my house, as if they're all roach bombs ready to explode and infest my house. :o
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Lol. I think i is different bugs in different areas. Here in Texas... it is roaches. But it seems to be a problem here. Not a huge problem, but they seem to be the pest. Boulder Colorado had field mice galore. Walking the sidewalk home you would just hear them in the bushes and see them darting across the sidewalk as you walked. Again not a huge problem. But just the resident pest.
If you don't live in a warmer part of the world, bugs probably won't be a big issue. If you are in the southern (east or west) part, it's probably a bigger issue.
I wouldn't worry. I've never seen any in my consoles after being in my possession but I spray the casing with cleaner. Protip: Pledge (a type of cleaning product for people in other parts of the world) on the the casing makes them look hella shiny and new!
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Lol. I think i is different bugs in different areas. Here in Texas... it is roaches. But it seems to be a problem here. Not a huge problem, but they seem to be the pest.
You know what else Texas has? I promise you, my family and I drove through Texas a while back to get to California. Well, one night we stopped at a rest stop and at a hotel. Both in Dallas. No lie. Both were infested with crickets!!! When we first got out the car and walked onto the sidewalk to the rest stop. As soon as we hit the concrete part walking into the restroom, you could see them. There had to be hundreds. And we said screw the hotel which was some where else in Dallas. Too many crickets infested the hotel. All the way from Georgia to California, never seen so many crickets in one place in my life. These were not the little small green crickets but the big brown ones. It was kind of freaky :-\
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You wanna see something disgusting? About 6 years ago, up in Michigan, we had the worst June Bug infestation I've ever seen. They were everywhere, you'd see piles like this all over.
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs25/i/2008/162/3/c/June_Bugs_by_Ryglore.png)
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs27/i/2008/162/a/f/June_Bug_Infestation_by_Ryglore.png)
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I hate june bugs! blech
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I hate june bugs! blech
This is the first I ever heard of june bugs. Is those beatles?
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[grossed out face]
So glad I live where I do. The worst we get is ants and a variety of small/medium spiders. We get wasps, yellow jackets, and bees when it's warm out and grassy. We have other bugs but we hardly ever see them. Cockroaches only when it's super super dirty somewhere (like a restaurant), and the library will get a brown cricket (those things are way bigger than I ever think they are) from time to time roaming around inside.
I'm going to LA this winter but I always hate that the cockroaches come out at night and like to hang out on the sidewalks. They scurry away when you try to walk through them, but it totally freaks me out when all I'm wearing are summer clothes (shorts, tanktop, flipflops).
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[grossed out face]
So glad I live where I do. The worst we get is ants and a variety of small/medium spiders. We get wasps, yellow jackets, and bees when it's warm out and grassy. We have other bugs but we hardly ever see them. Cockroaches only when it's super super dirty somewhere (like a restaurant), and the library will get a brown cricket (those things are way bigger than I ever think they are) from time to time roaming around inside.
I'm going to LA this winter but I always hate that the cockroaches come out at night and like to hang out on the sidewalks. They scurry away when you try to walk through them, but it totally freaks me out when all I'm wearing are summer clothes (shorts, tanktop, flipflops).
The freaks come out at night.
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I'm going to LA this winter but I always hate that the cockroaches come out at night and like to hang out on the sidewalks. They scurry away when you try to walk through them, but it totally freaks me out when all I'm wearing are summer clothes (shorts, tanktop, flipflops).
The freaks come out at night.
Hey, I might look weird in shorts, but I take offense at the word "freak." :'(
jk ;)
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I'm going to LA this winter but I always hate that the cockroaches come out at night and like to hang out on the sidewalks. They scurry away when you try to walk through them, but it totally freaks me out when all I'm wearing are summer clothes (shorts, tanktop, flipflops).
The freaks come out at night.
Hey, I might look weird in shorts, but I take offense at the word "freak." :'(
jk ;)
;D ;D lmbo. I was referring to the roaches as the freaks but hey. If the shorts and flip flops fit then...
Sent from a basic Motorola flip phone
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Since you asked.. I realize this isn't classic, but I don't have any pictures of the literal mud ridden, insect graveyards I have dealt with.
I do have pictures of an N64 that is full of dead pill-bugs, roaches, ants, spiders and an acres worth of dirt and grime but I can't remember where they are at the moment. So the PS3 slim here will have to do. :-\
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7049/2h1ipsdh9l7gaih4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/2h1ipsdh9l7gaih/100_0901.JPG)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/872c/rjvy330a0qbhl1b4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/rjvy330a0qbhl1b/100_0907.JPG)
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Isn't it something what excessive humidity and lots of house pets will do to electronics, if one does not do the necessary maintenance.
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This is why every single used item that comes into my collection gets completely disassembled and cleaned before it gets any use besides a basic test to see if it functions. Luckily, we don't get too many bugs here, mainly small-medium spiders. It's too cold during the winter for most bugs to survive.
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And people thought I was crazy for never renting cartridge games cause of worries of dirt.
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Since you asked.. I realize this isn't classic, but I don't have any pictures of the literal mud ridden, insect graveyards I have dealt with.
I do have pictures of an N64 that is full of dead pill-bugs, roaches, ants, spiders and an acres worth of dirt and grime but I can't remember where they are at the moment. So the PS3 slim here will have to do. :-\
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7049/2h1ipsdh9l7gaih4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/2h1ipsdh9l7gaih/100_0901.JPG)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/872c/rjvy330a0qbhl1b4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/rjvy330a0qbhl1b/100_0907.JPG)
Wow. No comment :-X
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Since you asked.. I realize this isn't classic, but I don't have any pictures of the literal mud ridden, insect graveyards I have dealt with.
I do have pictures of an N64 that is full of dead pill-bugs, roaches, ants, spiders and an acres worth of dirt and grime but I can't remember where they are at the moment. So the PS3 slim here will have to do. :-\
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7049/2h1ipsdh9l7gaih4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/2h1ipsdh9l7gaih/100_0901.JPG)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/872c/rjvy330a0qbhl1b4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/rjvy330a0qbhl1b/100_0907.JPG)
Wow. No comment :-X
If I may I would Like to correct this. That is not a slim. I mistakenly called it that in my original post. That is an original fat model. I am the owner of this console, now. What you are seeing is about one year worth of build up at a friend of mines house. He never cleans and is a heavy smoker. When I finished wit this console I turned a pair of blue jeans black with all the dirt and tar residue. It looked good though.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ee7e/9e58hu6i8qvtju44g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/9e58hu6i8qvtju4/100_0908.JPG)
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That's crazy! Great work ffxik!
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Since you asked.. I realize this isn't classic, but I don't have any pictures of the literal mud ridden, insect graveyards I have dealt with.
I do have pictures of an N64 that is full of dead pill-bugs, roaches, ants, spiders and an acres worth of dirt and grime but I can't remember where they are at the moment. So the PS3 slim here will have to do. :-\
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7049/2h1ipsdh9l7gaih4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/2h1ipsdh9l7gaih/100_0901.JPG)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/872c/rjvy330a0qbhl1b4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/rjvy330a0qbhl1b/100_0907.JPG)
this is the scary part of video game collecting, what hides underneath the hood
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That's crazy! Great work ffxik!
x2. No way would I have assumed that was the same system. Wanna come over and clean my systems? :D
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I'm glad that I live more north, though seeing those bugs in Michigan makes me worry, because that's where I get a lot of my gaming stuff.
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I hate june bugs! blech
This is the first I ever heard of june bugs. Is those beatles?
They are the ones in Scott's photos. I've only seen one at a time, not a ton like that. I think the reason I don't like them is because I first saw one when I was 8... and it was crawling on my foot when I was sleeping. It woke me up and I freaked out lol.
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I don't like June bugs because they seem to be the clumsiest bugs. Most bugs try to hide. June bugs just fly and crash into you. That's at least been my experience.
They also leave their molted shells all over the place...
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That's crazy! Great work ffxik!
x2. No way would I have assumed that was the same system. Wanna come over and clean my systems? :D
Lol. That's what I do here outside of repair. A lot of my friends can't be bothered with the up keep of their systems so they bring it to me and I gut'em, and clean'em. I do charge for this service though. Albeit this cost him 10 or 15 bucks. I usually charge by time and difficulty. This took hours too do.
Which I don't mind. I love tearing stuff apart.
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Lol. That's what I do here outside of repair. A lot of my friends can't be bothered with the up keep of their systems so they bring it to me and I gut'em, and clean'em. I do charge for this service though. Albeit this cost him 10 or 15 bucks. I usually charge by time and difficulty. This took hours too do.
Which I don't mind. I love tearing stuff apart.
Man, that's a a good price! If you lived nearby, I'd definitely have you clean out all my consoles for me :)
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Lol. That's what I do here outside of repair. A lot of my friends can't be bothered with the up keep of their systems so they bring it to me and I gut'em, and clean'em. I do charge for this service though. Albeit this cost him 10 or 15 bucks. I usually charge by time and difficulty. This took hours too do.
Which I don't mind. I love tearing stuff apart.
I should start to offer the same, I love opening stuff and cleaning consoles, controllers and games. If only I knew more people who might need the service... I need to get more friends :P
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That's crazy! Great work ffxik!
x2. No way would I have assumed that was the same system. Wanna come over and clean my systems? :D
Lol. That's what I do here outside of repair. A lot of my friends can't be bothered with the up keep of their systems so they bring it to me and I gut'em, and clean'em. I do charge for this service though. Albeit this cost him 10 or 15 bucks. I usually charge by time and difficulty. This took hours too do.
Which I don't mind. I love tearing stuff apart.
How much would you charge for a mail in type of service?
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That's crazy! Great work ffxik!
x2. No way would I have assumed that was the same system. Wanna come over and clean my systems? :D
Lol. That's what I do here outside of repair. A lot of my friends can't be bothered with the up keep of their systems so they bring it to me and I gut'em, and clean'em. I do charge for this service though. Albeit this cost him 10 or 15 bucks. I usually charge by time and difficulty. This took hours too do.
Which I don't mind. I love tearing stuff apart.
How much would you charge for a mail in type of service?
Add shipping. In the long run to and back it may not be worth a mail in. Rather to do it yourself. Not trying to be mean. It's just shipping to and from plus the service charge on top would be on the steep side I would imagine. :-\
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I once got a 2600 from a flea market. When I got it home I couldn't get it to work. I took it apart I found a few dead roaches along with a lot of dirt. The roaches looked like they died a long time ago. I cleaned everything up, and to my amazement, it powered on and worked great.
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I recently picked up a ColecoVision although not as disgusting as that PS3 was still pretty grody. It and the games included with it was $40 including the shipping. The only reason I bought it was for an included copy of Up N Down, which goes for $40+ easily just by itself. I didn't have any expectations that the console would be salvageable aside from it's controllers, and If it turned out to be unfixable than Up N Down alone would easily justify the purchase.The other three games included were mystery games which turned out to be all commons (Qbert, DK, SMURF) which is pretty much what I figured they'd be.
(http://i.imgur.com/Jtgv5NB.jpg)
The ebay listing picture
One of the joysticks had a hole bunch of some kind of sticky crud inside it that was a dark purple color which I assume was ancient grape jelly that some kid somehow managed to cram inside it. The console was filthy and It must have been stored in a damp basement because a lot of the metal structures including the RF shielding and modulator had had quite a bit of rust on them. I sanded off all the rust off cleaned the motherboard and case and replaced all the electrolytic caps and re-flowed all the solder joints on the board. Cleaned and rebuilt the power switch ( a common point of failure for the CV) and It fired right up after all that. ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/4WqnSTx.jpg)
The end result. I hated having to remove the service sticker but it was falling off and completely filthy and stained and just looked terrible so I just to removed it.
Since I was already in there I also composite modified it. 8)
(http://i.imgur.com/gBLcmOa.jpg)
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I know someone who had live roaches come out of a N64 they purchased off of CL. Yeah, old gaming consoles and even games can be a haven for bugs. It is good to clean them out outside just in case they are infested or have dead bugs like your PS1. As someone said, PS1s are cheap and easy to find, so you did the right thing. If it were something like Sega CDX or 3DO I'd probably put the elbow grease into cleaning it, but still, not sure if could deal with roaches or bedbugs. . .
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thecryticodor. That was one hell of a save. Looks brand new.
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thecryticodor. That was one hell of a save. Looks brand new.
Indeed! :o
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Excellent clean!! :) Question. I don't know anything about that console. Is that from the 70s?
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Excellent clean!! :) Question. I don't know anything about that console. Is that from the 70s?
The Colecovision was a console released late during the 2nd generation (Atari 2600 & 5200, Magnavox 2, Intellivision, etc.) in 1982. It was easily the console with the best looking graphics of the bunch and had a solid library, of course not nearly as big as Atari 2600's, though. It had arcade-quality ports, for many of the games of the time. Which was a pretty big deal back then. And until the NES and Master System came out, the Colecovision had the best Nintendo and Sega home-ports (at least in the U.S., in Japan they had the Sega SG-1000 and Famicom).
It even had an add-on that allowed it to play the massive Atari 2600 library, which led to a legal battle between the two, with Coleco amazingly coming out on top.
But then the Nintendo NES came out and changed the landscape for everyone, and Coleco quietly exited the video game scene.
I still hate the controller, though. But then I hate most of the 2nd gen system's controllers.
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my vic 20 has a bit of a styrofoam problem and i have been peeling it for 2 days now, i hear that super glue can eats styrofoam and i think i will try that sooner than later
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t453/htimreimer/DSCN0271_zps33911bb4.jpg)
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my vic 20 has a bit of a styrofoam problem and i have been peeling it for 2 days now, i hear that super glue can eats styrofoam and i think i will try that sooner than later
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t453/htimreimer/DSCN0271_zps33911bb4.jpg)
Yuck, my Fami-clone I bought in the box (Super Joy) had that on the wires, too. Simply from sitting on the shelf in it's box for too long. I didn't bother to clean it, though.
The wires do have rubber covers, as long as you don't do it while it's plugged it, I'd imagine it would be safe to just clean it off with a wet sponge using the rough scrubby side of it.
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There is nothing that a shopvac, soap n water and some vinegar cant clean. So no I don't throw anything out.
Nothing like finding roaches under/in the power supply since its nice n warm. I live in Florida so its like ehhhhhhhh *shloomp* down into the shopvac they go.
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BUMPED 4/21/2019. Since this forums staff let people bump old topics so I did.
I've had purchased a PS3 from Amazon.com in 2015 that was covered in sticky nicotine or something else or someone sold it to me for $120USD Plus shipping with dried pop/soda all over it, I eventually gave it away, but after reading each and every post on this 5 old year thread I feel bad that I never bothered to clean most of my consoles. the only one that was ever cleaned was my PS2 and I had it professionally done.
I suck because I don't know how to reassemble anything once I take it apart, I got big fingers that bend and break small parts and lost screws before, and destroyed a PS2 trying to take it apart, I never figured out how to put the
tiny power button connector chip in place back in place on one of my PS2 phats
there probably is bugs inside my game systems and games, I never checked and don't want to check because if I do I'll probably break my consoles. A PC I think I could handle that but not a console with small delicate parts, My computer gets cleaned regularly as of today but never my consoles :(
I live in Southern Michigan
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As a general rule, if a system works well, I don't open it. Bad idea? Probably- but so far, none of my systems have put out bugs. Even the Intellivision that was in an attic for a few decades.
My logic typically is, I'm concerned I'll do something to render the system inoperable if I poke its innards without cause. Not just by breaking something, but by messing up some weirdly balanced bit of brokenness. I had a friend who kept an old CRT for retro machines, that had gotten jostled somewhere so the picture was displayed on a tilt. My sister gave her an entertainment center shelving unit, that got jostled in transport and had a slight lean... in the exact opposite direction of the TV's tilt. Tilted TV plus slanted shelf equals level picture. I fear metaphorically fixing the shelf, only to discover the TV needed it to display right and now I have to put in a lot more work to fix that.