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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: Jakandsig on May 26, 2014, 05:56:18 pm
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console wise. People who did not care about sega, people who avoided the Saturn/dc, etc, every year since 7th gen started segas consoles get growing praise, credit they dont deserve, and some of the bad or lessor games are now must have expensive gems. Sega also has the second largest homebrew community thats rapidly growing. I can see guilt as a reason for some people, but what about the rest?
With that said, I have nothing against SEGA so dont read this with that mindset. Just not sure why no one has similar reactions to other game companies. Just so much rose tinted praise seems strange to me.
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I always wanted a Genesis as a kid. But we were a Nintendo household.
My wife grew up with the opposite.
My model 1 Genesis and all but 6 of my 72 game Genesis collection is thanks to her. :)
With all it's graphics and sound prowess I do wonder why SNES doesn't have a bigger home brew community.
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I think it is because back when systems were new, most of us had to pick just one. Now, we have a little extra scratch and the systems and games are cheaper (for the most part). Not many people chose the the Saturn over the Playstation or N64.
Sega made good systems and games. We just didn't know it until it was too late.
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I think it is because back when systems were new, most of us had to pick just one. Now, we have a little extra scratch and the systems and games are cheaper (for the most part). Not many people chose the the Saturn over the Playstation or N64.
Sega made good systems and games. We just didn't know it until it was too late.
New systems ate expensive. Compared to 5th and 6th
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I think it is because back when systems were new, most of us had to pick just one. Now, we have a little extra scratch and the systems and games are cheaper (for the most part). Not many people chose the the Saturn over the Playstation or N64.
Sega made good systems and games. We just didn't know it until it was too late.
New systems ate expensive. Compared to 5th and 6th
Turf is right though that both myself and my parents have more "disposable" income than either of us had when I was a kid.
Them because us kids are grown and moved away and they've gone on to make more through raises exp etc. Me because they taught me the life skills I needed to get a better job from the start than they had at my age.
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Your situation is circumstantial and anecdotal.
I think it is because back when systems were new, most of us had to pick just one. Now, we have a little extra scratch and the systems and games are cheaper (for the most part). Not many people chose the the Saturn over the Playstation or N64.
Sega made good systems and games. We just didn't know it until it was too late.
New systems ate expensive. Compared to 5th and 6th
Turf is right though that both myself and my parents have more "disposable" income than either of us had when I was a kid.
Them because us kids are grown and moved away and they've gone on to make more through raises exp etc. Me because they taught me the life skills I needed to get a better job from the start than they had at my age.
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Turf is right
People say that a lot.
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Oh boy, lol.
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Your situation is circumstantial and anecdotal.
Fair enough. If you want facts and sources, not casual conversation, turfs statement is backed up more concretely by reports compiled by the US Government.
http://www.bls.gov/cex/anthology/csxanth10.pdf (http://www.bls.gov/cex/anthology/csxanth10.pdf)
From page 1:
Over the past half-century, the increase in incomes and decline in hours worked have allowed American consumers to enjoy more leisure time and increase their spending on entertainment. In 2000, spending on entertainment by American consumers totaled approximately $203 billion (see table 1)
I'll admit that while the article above explains the general phenomenon of spending on entertainment increasing it does not address or acknowledge the trend you mentioned (sources please) for people developing a latent love bias for all things Sega.
I'd probably need to dig through some psych papers for more concrete info on that. :)
Can I get back to you? :)
Just having a bit of fun. Please don't take offense to this post. I honestly think turf is spot on.
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2000? What imaginary u.s. Post 2008 do you live in were spending has "increased" when spending is reportedly down? But I get the point you are trying to make.
Your situation is circumstantial and anecdotal.
Fair enough. If you want facts and sources, not casual conversation, turfs statement is backed up more concretely by reports compiled by the US Government.
http://www.bls.gov/cex/anthology/csxanth10.pdf (http://www.bls.gov/cex/anthology/csxanth10.pdf)
From page 1:
Over the past half-century, the increase in incomes and decline in hours worked have allowed American consumers to enjoy more leisure time and increase their spending on entertainment. In 2000, spending on entertainment by American consumers totaled approximately $203 billion (see table 1)
I'll admit that while the article above explains the general phenomenon of spending on entertainment increasing it does not address or acknowledge the trend you mentioned (sources please) for people developing a latent love bias for all things Sega.
I'd probably need to dig through some psych papers for more concrete info on that. :)
Can I get back to you? :)
Just having a bit of fun. Please don't take offense to this post. I honestly think turf is spot on.
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This thread got...weird. :o
Anyway, for the record I wasn't & still am not a fan of any Sega console outside of the Dreamcast, and I've had that since it launched so I was hardly a bandwagon jumper. ;)
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This thread got...weird. :o
Anyway, for the record I wasn't & still am not a fan of any Sega console outside of the Dreamcast, and I've had that since it launched so I was hardly a bandwagon jumper. ;)
politics was getting in lol. Dreamcast is a good system but dome of the fans are s little nuts. Like being the first internet console or the xbox would not exist if it succeded.
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2000? What imaginary u.s. Post 2008 do you live in were spending has "increased" when spending is reportedly down? But I get the point you are trying to make.Your situation is circumstantial and anecdotal.
Fair enough. If you want facts and sources, not casual conversation, turfs statement is backed up more concretely by reports compiled by the US Government.
http://www.bls.gov/cex/anthology/csxanth10.pdf (http://www.bls.gov/cex/anthology/csxanth10.pdf)
From page 1:
Over the past half-century, the increase in incomes and decline in hours worked have allowed American consumers to enjoy more leisure time and increase their spending on entertainment. In 2000, spending on entertainment by American consumers totaled approximately $203 billion (see table 1)
I'll admit that while the article above explains the general phenomenon of spending on entertainment increasing it does not address or acknowledge the trend you mentioned (sources please) for people developing a latent love bias for all things Sega.
I'd probably need to dig through some psych papers for more concrete info on that. :)
Can I get back to you? :)
Just having a bit of fun. Please don't take offense to this post. I honestly think turf is spot on.
While spending is currently down compared to mid 2005 levels it's still higher than it was in the 80s and 90s.
You've got me genuinely curious about the psychological phenomenon of things that were not of worth originally being of great worth later. I don't think it's limited to Sega Genesis though.
I mean how many people are looking for Turbo Express, 3DO, CDi, etc. Just for the sake of having them and playing (in the CDi's case) the 1 or 2 games worth playing?
Is it the rarity that lures them? The perceived $$ value? Or is it the lure of something they never had?
I am honestly curious as all hell now. :)
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politics was getting in lol.
was it politics? Or religion?
;)
*ducks*
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As a kid, I liked the Genesis and played it occasionally. When you're a kid, your parents only spend so much on video games. The Dreamcast I loved, but it died so quickly I didn't have much time with it because it was a "shared" console with someone who spent ages playing Phantasy Star Online every day. I got my Saturn back in 2002 but even then games were impossible to find and really expensive and that always held me back from it. I always liked Sega, it just wasn't available enough to me. Wasn't then, and it's still not. I'm definitely not obsessed, but I like Sega as well as anything else, and I enjoy the games that they put out to this day. There's no good reason to dislike Sega.
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cdi was the first console with modern internet with the first worldwide online multiplayer on console, downloadable demod, web browsing, email, and dlc. Theres 5666556 different versions of the thing, it can play cdi, but also could be a video cd and audio cd player, and has about 10 games worth owning. it was sonys first taste of video game hardware as well since they made a cdi player before the nintendo deal happened. The history and technical impressiveNess is enough to understand why cdi has a big following. The others however... Not sure.
2000? What imaginary u.s. Post 2008 do you live in were spending has "increased" when spending is reportedly down? But I get the point you are trying to make.Your situation is circumstantial and anecdotal.
Fair enough. If you want facts and sources, not casual conversation, turfs statement is backed up more concretely by reports compiled by the US Government.
http://www.bls.gov/cex/anthology/csxanth10.pdf (http://www.bls.gov/cex/anthology/csxanth10.pdf)
From page 1:
Over the past half-century, the increase in incomes and decline in hours worked have allowed American consumers to enjoy more leisure time and increase their spending on entertainment. In 2000, spending on entertainment by American consumers totaled approximately $203 billion (see table 1)
I'll admit that while the article above explains the general phenomenon of spending on entertainment increasing it does not address or acknowledge the trend you mentioned (sources please) for people developing a latent love bias for all things Sega.
I'd probably need to dig through some psych papers for more concrete info on that. :)
Can I get back to you? :)
Just having a bit of fun. Please don't take offense to this post. I honestly think turf is spot on.
While spending is currently down compared to mid 2005 levels it's still higher than it was in the 80s and 90s.
You've got me genuinely curious about the psychological phenomenon of things that were not of worth originally being of great worth later. I don't think it's limited to Sega Genesis though.
I mean how many people are looking for Turbo Express, 3DO, CDi, etc. Just for the sake of having them and playing (in the CDi's case) the 1 or 2 games worth playing?
Is it the rarity that lures them? The perceived $$ value? Or is it the lure of something they never had?
I am honestly curious as all hell now. :)
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Yeah I think it also was simply easier for to stick with one brand when we were younger and now that collecting games has taken off, and the internet has shown off all these games people never played, it really opened Sega back for everyone who realized they had a bunch of good games over the years. I know I'd love to get a Sega Saturn or CD and dive into some of those games. Lesser so the Dreamcast though, I haven't see much that hit me there.
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Sonic, Streets of Rage, and a bloody Mortal Kombat were why I wanted one.
Only got to play the above on occasion at my friends house.
I wanted a SNES too. For MK II, Mario All-Stars (lost levels), and Smash TV.
I do have a strange obsession with acquiring a Sega CDX. It's not at all rational. I only have 2 Sega CD games and they play fine on my xbox.
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Smash tv was a smash hit. Lol.
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Smash tv was a smash hit. Lol.
Yeah, Total Carnage was kinda a disappointment though. Somehow the SNES version didn't live up to the arcade for me. But Smash TV for SNES is pure awesome.
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Their game series are enough explanation:
-Comix Zone
-Crazy Taxi
-Daytona USA
-Golden Axe
-House of the Dead
-Jet Set Radio
-Panzer Dragoon
-Phantasy Star
-Shenmue
-Shining Force
-Shinobi
-Sonic the Hedgehog
-Space Harrier
-Streets of Rage
-Vectorman
-Virtua Cop
-Virtua Fighter
-X-Men
Not to mention all the great third-party games on their systems.
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More on the topic of the initial post. Wikipedia has a pretty interesting (if not controversial) article on the physiology of collecting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_collecting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_collecting)
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I have always preferred Sega over its competition, with the exception of gen 5. During gen 4 I had both a Genesis and SNES and I played my Genesis 10-times more then my SNES. And when the Dreamcast came out I barely played my PS1, PS2, and N64 for the year and a half it was around. I have always loved Sega and still do even though a Sega console has not been released in almost 15-years. I think most people who love the Dreamcast with such passion or other Sega consoles are people who either owned these consoles at one point or had enough experience with them to appreciate them, even years later. I believe that these incredible consoles deserve the homebrew support they receive and honestly I think it is one of the coolest things ever that these systems still have so much interest in them. I'd love to see homebrews sprout up for other retro consoles as well, but for whatever reason Sega consoles get a lot of attention still. I'd be lying if I said I at least didn't partially understand.
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Hey Jakandsig,
I see you love the CD-i like me... you need to check out my channel... I have some great CD-i reviews... check it out ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9jYCMLifSY
enjoy!
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As mentioned above, Sega has some incredible games and franchises. I always preferred Genesis over SNES because even then I could see that Sega had a more adult oriented library and I was in my early 20's at that time and gravitated to shmups and racing games like Road Rash over bouncing plumbers and cartoon dinosaurs.
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More on the topic of the initial post. Wikipedia has a pretty interesting (if not controversial) article on the physiology of collecting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_collecting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_collecting)
Freud himself took a more extreme position on the origins of collecting. Not surprisingly, he postulated that all collecting stems from unresolved toilet training conflict. Freud took the stance that the loss of bowel control was a traumatic experience, and the product from the bowels was disgusting and frightening to the child. Therefore the collector is trying to gain back control of their bowels as well as their "possessions" which were long flushed down the toilet.
Freud is a freak. I don't collect Atari games because I literally lost my shit when I was a kid. :o
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Hey Jakandsig,
I see you love the CD-i like me... you need to check out my channel... I have some great CD-i reviews... check it out ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9jYCMLifSY
enjoy!
Ok, let's not jump to far in there. i am a collector and appreciate good history and technology of the system. but it's still a piece of plastic.