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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: dreama1 on July 25, 2015, 11:30:47 pm
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What do you feel is the most overrated retro console? And why?
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Sega Saturn... because I never played one :P
No, I'm joking about that. I wish I had played one. I do kind of feel like Sega Genesis is a little overrated though, and I have played quite a few Genesis games. To me they never had the meat that games from other consoles had. It had like... 3 RPGs, if you count Shadowrun... I dunno, it's an alright console, but other than Sonic and... well, nothing else, pretty much, I don't have too many great memories from it.
N64 is a good console, but I think not as good as some people remember it to be. My personal opinion. I do like it a heck of a lot more than the Genesis though and I have a lot of good memories from it.
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Sega Saturn... because I never played one :P
No, I'm joking about that. I wish I had played one. I do kind of feel like Sega Genesis is a little overrated though, and I have played quite a few Genesis games. To me they never had the meat that games from other consoles had. It had like... 3 RPGs, if you count Shadowrun... I dunno, it's an alright console, but other than Sonic and... well, nothing else, pretty much, I don't have too many great memories from it.
N64 is a good console, but I think not as good as some people remember it to be. My personal opinion. I do like it a heck of a lot more than the Genesis though and I have a lot of good memories from it.
It's funny alot of people seem to say Genesis. Well that was the first search result I got. Wonder if there's any Genesis fans around.
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Do they? I'm more expecting everyone to come in here and call me crazy and say that the SNES is the most overrated. But then that's the expectation that comes from usually not sharing the same opinion as most other people (seems to happen to me a lot).
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*Doesn't have a console older than the PlayStation :'( :P How recent are we going in terms of retro, by the way? I guess it's what you consider to be retro.
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Saturn. I had one for years, and it mostly collected dust. The arcade favorites like Virtua Cop, Marvel fighting games, and Daytona USA are fun, but can get old pretty quick. And apparently the RPGs are good, but then I wouldn't know since they usually go for like $100+. The shoot-em ups are admittedly pretty damn good, but it's not like I can't get just as good shoot-em ups on the PS1. Other than that, the library is kind of limited, and a lot of what's good is going for more than I like to pay for retro-games. My PS1 still gets a ton a playtime, though; because of it's large, varied, and affordable library. I feel Sega fell hard that generation. But a lot retro-gamers put the Saturn on a pedestal and I've never felt that kind of love for it.
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Im not going to comment cause everyone knows my answer. :)
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The Dreamcast, it failed for many good reasons, yet people seem to love it now because it's collectible. >:(
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Probably I would have to say the Atari 2600, There are several games for this system, and given the option to play NES or Atari 2600 its obvious that most people would rather play something where they don't have to use their imagination to tell whats going on. I guess the 2600 probably isn't that overrated to begin with, but people who give it praise don't realize how boring the games got over time, and how poorly the good ones aged. I literally can't sit down and play any 2600 game for more than 10-15 minutes without a friend to poke fun at the quality, and goofy qualities of the "graphics". I have a lot of respect for the 2600 but there's just not that much replay-ability.
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I think I would have to go with NES, actually.
Seeing some of the other answers so far (Saturn, Atari), I wouldn't be able to call them overrated, because most of the people I talk to don't have high opinion (or any opinion at all really) on them. You'd have to look at thinks that generally have a positive reputation, which really only leaves you with the NES, Genesis, Dreamcast, N64 and SNES, and I think most people (and not everyone) think that Genesis was a good, but possibly not great console. I personally think the Dreamcast is a little underrated, which leaves me with NES, SNES, and N64.
I'd say the N64 is out right away. Its got some fantastic games, but a ton of unmitigated crap, and not nearly as strong a library as the other two.
They both had their share of bad games, but I think the SNES edges out a bit because it didn't really have as much hardware problems as the NES. At least for me.
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The Dreamcast, it failed for many good reasons, yet people seem to love it now because it's collectible. >:(
The console is an arcade lover's dream and has so many other good games as well. It barely has any shovel ware and had so many innovations when it was released in terms of the console itself and games that were on it. I completely disagree, but you are allowed to have your own opinion.
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The NES
I will preface by stating that the system is very important in terms of bringing gaming back from the dead and also releasing some of the best games ever made. Now onto why its overrated.
It's library is saturated with shit and mediocrity, on the level of Nintendo's other console, the Wii. Of the games that can be considered decent or good, many of them have very limited appeal and some have aged horribly. And then, there is the insane collecting scene for the NES which has boosted prices up to obscene amounts, making games that would otherwise be thrown in bargain bins appear to be plastic gold! I believe the main reason why the NES is so sought after these days is mostly nostalgia and less the games themselves. Most of the NES library has been outdone in terms of quality at some point over the past 25-years, rendering a ton of the games obsolete. As someone who has very limited nostalgia for the NES, it has been hard for me to get into the systems library and often find myself underwhelmed by most of the games I've played in it, save about 25-30.
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I'd say the SEGA Saturn. While it does have some great games, I feel like overall they pale in comparison as to what the Nintendo 64 and Sony PlayStation were putting out at the time. The original controller was utter garbage, and even the second version of the controller, which many say is the best controller of all time, isn't all that great, it doesn't even have a true Sonic game on it.
The Atari 2600. Where do I begin? This system I think sold very well because it was a novelty item with a vast library of games and a low price, however if consumers were more well informed at the time, the 2600 would have absolutely been dominated by Colecovision and the Intellivision, which are both rather underrated consoles in their own right.
A lot of people will say NES, SNES, Genesis, N64 but I can't make a case for any of them. Although they have a lot of shovel ware, the library of all time classic games on these systems simply makes it too difficult for me to categorize any of them as overrated, and if you do, I'll have to respectfully disagree with you about that.
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I'd say the SEGA Saturn. While it does have some great games, I feel like overall they pale in comparison as to what the Nintendo 64 and Sony PlayStation were putting out at the time. The original controller was utter garbage, and even the second version of the controller, which many say is the best controller of all time, isn't all that great, it doesn't even have a true Sonic game on it.
The Atari 2600. Where do I begin? This system I think sold very well because it was a novelty item with a vast library of games and a low price, however if consumers were more well informed at the time, the 2600 would have absolutely been dominated by Colecovision and the Intellivision, which are both rather underrated consoles in their own right.
A lot of people will say NES, SNES, Genesis, N64 but I can't make a case for any of them. Although they have a lot of shovel ware, the library of all time classic games on these systems simply makes it too difficult for me to categorize any of them as overrated, and if you do, I'll have to respectfully disagree with you about that.
Classics don't mean much more than novelty, and being put on the pedestal because they were above average at the time; some exceptions. This is evident because as soon as anyone remakes a classic to give these people what they want, they will always complain and say it's not as good as the original a game they haven't played in 15 years probably, because it was never that good to begin with. And don't be fooled if they own the game it doesn't mean they play it, it's very much a different cult.
The first thing that should be taken into account when talking about this subject is nostalgia means nothing. The greatest acid test is time.
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Saturn. I had one for years, and it mostly collected dust. The arcade favorites like Virtua Cop, Marvel fighting games, and Daytona USA are fun, but can get old pretty quick. And apparently the RPGs are good, but then I wouldn't know since they usually go for like $100+. The shoot-em ups are admittedly pretty damn good, but it's not like I can't get just as good shoot-em ups on the PS1. Other than that, the library is kind of limited, and a lot of what's good is going for more than I like to pay for retro-games. My PS1 still gets a ton a playtime, though; because of it's large, varied, and affordable library. I feel Sega fell hard that generation. But a lot retro-gamers put the Saturn on a pedestal and I've never felt that kind of love for it.
As a average consumer maybe it's overrated. But the games are selling for a high price for a reason. And most playstation games are also selling so cheap for a reason. No one wants them because 3D was trash in that generation for the most part. Saturn did 2D to rule them all, and that's why people will pay top dollar for that reason. In fact the only playstation games in demand are mostly RPGS, and 2D games. I don't think it's fair to say its overrated because the RPGS are out of some peoples price range. If say that person came rich and could afford those RPGS would it suddenly become not overrated?
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While the NES' library is 95% garbage, that still leaves about 5% that isnt which is around 40 games.
The N64 however has 99% garbage which means there is less than 5 games worth actually playing. It has one of the worst controllers of all time. It has not one legit RPG on the system. Fail + fail + epic fail = worst console ever made.
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While the NES' library is 95% garbage, that still leaves about 5% that isnt which is around 40 games.
The N64 however has 99% garbage which means there is less than 5 games worth actually playing. It has one of the worst controllers of all time. It has not one legit RPG on the system. Fail + fail + epic fail = worst console ever made.
Yeah, N64 is really lacking in the games department compared to the other Nintendo consoles, especially RPGS. I remember that someone tried to debate with me on Quest 64, saying it was a good game and it needed to be remade; I was laughing my ass off for the rest of the day.
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As a average consumer maybe it's overrated. But the games are selling for a high price for a reason. And most playstation games are also selling so cheap for a reason. No one wants them because 3D was trash in that generation for the most part. Saturn did 2D to rule them all, and that's why people will pay top dollar for that reason. In fact the only playstation games in demand are mostly RPGS, and 2D games. I don't think it's fair to say its overrated because the RPGS are out of some peoples price range. If say that person came rich and could afford those RPGS would it suddenly become not overrated?
I don't think it's that simple though. Games are expensive only because supply does not meet demand. This can be because the game is rare, it's actually a good game, or both. So, an expensive game doesn't have anything to say if it's actually good. And because a game is cheap doesn't mean it's bad.
But I think it's very important to remember that whether a game is good or bad is based on opinion alone. Certainly a person is allowed to think that a certain expensive game on the Saturn is not that good. Thus they may not think the price is not worth it, (thus overrated), while you may think otherwise.
That's ok! I don't really see a problem with people not liking a console if they don't think the price (or the hype) is justified for the games. I respect that opinion wholeheartedly, (I'm sure you do too!) :)
Concerning the PlayStation, Tron Bonne and MML2 are two games that I can think of that are expensive but aren't 2D or RPGS. Or Intelligent Qube. Or Tomba! Be careful with absolutes like "only" ;)
I think most PS games are cheap because more people had a PlayStation, more people bought these great games because of the larger install base, and so these games got more printings and releases. That made it easier for everyone to have a copy, and so supply/demand is better, and prices are lower. Doesn't have anything to do with the game's quality per se. (Again, not always the case, see Suikoden II)
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I remember that someone tried to debate with me on Quest 64, saying it was a good game and it needed to be remade; I was laughing my ass off for the rest of the day.
Haha, Quest 64 XD I liked that game provisionally. I think I liked it sort of in a "this is bad but I must defeat it" kind of way. Yeah, the N64 pretty much didn't have one darn RPG. I remember when stuff like Crystal Chronicles and Tales of Symphonia came out for the Gamecube, and it was a big deal that a Nintendo console was going to have a "real RPG" again.
But the games are selling for a high price for a reason.
Funny, I was just talking with my friend about the rarity of games and how it may not seem to have any rhyme or reason, but it pretty much boils down to how many were printed a lot of the time, which telly covered pretty well in his post. But yeah, I remember selling a cartridge of Nosferatu for the SNES for $70 on eBay. Cartridge only. Nosferatu. I also sold Final Fantasy III for the going rate at the time and got $57. So... yeah, that makes a lot of sense. P.S. I can also sell a copy of Disgaea for the PS2 complete with case and book in great condition and maybe get $15. ???
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I remember that someone tried to debate with me on Quest 64, saying it was a good game and it needed to be remade; I was laughing my ass off for the rest of the day.
Haha, Quest 64 XD I liked that game provisionally. I think I liked it sort of in a "this is bad but I must defeat it" kind of way. Yeah, the N64 pretty much didn't have one darn RPG. I remember when stuff like Crystal Chronicles and Tales of Symphonia came out for the Gamecube, and it was a big deal that a Nintendo console was going to have a "real RPG" again.
The reason why it was so funny is that the guy said that Quest 64 was better than any 3DS rpg, which is not factually correct by any stretch. Personally, Quest 64 is more of an experimental game that could have been better if they had polished up the gameplay and story more, but it doesn't have any interest of being remade since sales were pretty poor in most countries. Every other Nintendo console has had a better RPG library compared to the N64.
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Nintendo 64 without question.
Besides Nintendo, and a few other major developers majority of software released by third-party were terrible.
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The NES for the reason another poster listed. Now don't get me wrong. The NES is a great system, very important to video game history, and still a blast to play. But there is a lot of over priced crap for the console that only goes for a fortune because its very rare or made it onto a Youtube Video. And while not as bad as the Atari there is still a ton of shovelware garbage on the system. I have an NES..and all I own for it is Dragon Warrior 1, Mario bros/Duck hunt, and Tetris. Its just a pain in ass console to collect for.
I can see why the Dreamcast is overrated even if I don't agree but who thinks the DC is over priced collecting wise? Dreamcast is still one of the easiest and cheapest "retro" consoles to get into. A lot of the games worth having a DC for are under 30 bucks and a complete work system can be had for 25-50.
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The NES for the reason another poster listed. Now don't get me wrong. The NES is a great system, very important to video game history, and still a blast to play. But there is a lot of over priced crap for the console that only goes for a fortune because its very rare or made it onto a Youtube Video. And while not as bad as the Atari there is still a ton of shovelware garbage on the system. I have an NES..and all I own for it is Dragon Warrior 1, Mario bros/Duck hunt, and Tetris. Its just a pain in ass console to collect for.
Yep, Action 52 is a good example of that.
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Sad to see the N64 on this list, as its my fav system growing up and still my fav system
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The NES for the reason another poster listed. Now don't get me wrong. The NES is a great system, very important to video game history, and still a blast to play. But there is a lot of over priced crap for the console that only goes for a fortune because its very rare or made it onto a Youtube Video. And while not as bad as the Atari there is still a ton of shovelware garbage on the system. I have an NES..and all I own for it is Dragon Warrior 1, Mario bros/Duck hunt, and Tetris. Its just a pain in ass console to collect for.
Yep, Action 52 is a good example of that.
Yes, NWC maybe even more so... you could get all the games in that cart for under $20 :/
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I'd say the SEGA Saturn. While it does have some great games, I feel like overall they pale in comparison as to what the Nintendo 64 and Sony PlayStation were putting out at the time. The original controller was utter garbage, and even the second version of the controller, which many say is the best controller of all time, isn't all that great, it doesn't even have a true Sonic game on it.
The Atari 2600. Where do I begin? This system I think sold very well because it was a novelty item with a vast library of games and a low price, however if consumers were more well informed at the time, the 2600 would have absolutely been dominated by Colecovision and the Intellivision, which are both rather underrated consoles in their own right.
A lot of people will say NES, SNES, Genesis, N64 but I can't make a case for any of them. Although they have a lot of shovel ware, the library of all time classic games on these systems simply makes it too difficult for me to categorize any of them as overrated, and if you do, I'll have to respectfully disagree with you about that.
Classics don't mean much more than novelty, and being put on the pedestal because they were above average at the time; some exceptions. This is evident because as soon as anyone remakes a classic to give these people what they want, they will always complain and say it's not as good as the original a game they haven't played in 15 years probably, because it was never that good to begin with. And don't be fooled if they own the game it doesn't mean they play it, it's very much a different cult.
The first thing that should be taken into account when talking about this subject is nostalgia means nothing. The greatest acid test is time.
There's a huge difference between being novel and being classic. Lots of the best games on those systems were very good or above average in their time and are still very good or above average now. Novel is something that wears off; it's simply something that catches on briefly before becoming completely obsolete such as Guitar Hero or Call of Duty. A classic is something that maintains, is rarely surpassed by anything else that follows, and is therefore renowned years after it debuted.
I wasn't even alive during the release of most of my favorite games on these old systems so nostalgia has nothing to do with my viewpoints here. The 2600 was novel because aside from its era, it has little to no lasting appeal except nostalgia. True, I'll never understand collectors who don't actually play the games they buy.
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TurboGrafx 16
I wanted on for a while. If I found one, I'd keep it; but I'm not paying what they go for. People love this thing, but I haven't found enough games that I want to play to justify even wanting one.
I have played most of the games the dirty way (on my modded Wii). I'm just not into any of them.
And for any of you that say the NES is overrated, Suck it. ;)
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^ You really have to be a shoot-em up fan to really appreciate the TG-16 library. I am one, and I did own one. But even then, it's not fun to collect for. Because about the only place to get the games is eBay.
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Sad to see all the N64 hate. I've noticed the people that really dislike it are mainly people who are the diehard NES and SNES fans, which is understandable since it is such a huge departure from all the good things about the NES and SNES. However, I feel like anyone who says there is only a handful of good games in the entire library is not giving it credit where credit is do. I own nearly 100 games, and would only consider maybe 15 of what I own terrible. In all I would say at least half the library is decent to amazing.
As far considering it overrated, I can understand why some might say that, but I just had to make that observation.
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Chalk another one up for the Saturn. Very loved console by many, but I'm yet to understand why exactly. In 1995, the world didn't want a 2D gaming powerhouse, Sega completely missed the mark with the direction the industry was going. Much like the N64, not a lot of software support and you either love or hate the few who furnished the console with something to play. I'm not overly enthusiastic about Working Designs games, and Sega failed to see many of their previous franchises follow up on the Saturn, including Sonic. :o
For whatever reason, when I think of Saturn I think lackluster ports that are probably better on PS1, and a handful of oddball titles that seem okay, but not especially appealing and mostly very expensive. Buying a game for the Saturn is like pulling teeth, and if have to import to enjoy the system, I say forget it.
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Gotta go with N64. I do own one but only have 5 games for it, 3 are racing games, one is a pool game and the other is Robotron 64 - the main reason I own it.
It's not that I think it's overrated now, I thought it was overrated when it came out. Super Mario 64 which was lauded as some gaming breakthrough seemed like a boring, childish mess with poor control and horrible cameras. I didn't get the appeal. Other than Goldeneye and Mario Kart which I owned BITD I thought the N64 was the poor mans PS1 and couldn't understand how anyone other than a 10 year old would want it.
Of course I was an adult and married with a child on the way when we first got it but when I had the depth of some PS1 and PC games to play, the N64 was a childs toy to me and if my wife wasn't so addicted to Mario Kart 64 we probably would have gotten rid of it much sooner. All my friends were also gaming on PS1 or PC's at the time I didn't know anyone other than myself and my young nephew who had one and even he preferred PC gaming.
Even in my current collection I've bought and sold the N64 many times because I get it and don't understand why but again, Robotron 64 is addictive enough for me to keep the console solely for it. Otherwise it's a console who's existence and popularity I don't understand. It was overrated then, it's overrated now. Long live the 2600 - still the best console EVER!
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Probably I would have to say the Atari 2600, There are several games for this system, and given the option to play NES or Atari 2600 its obvious that most people would rather play something where they don't have to use their imagination to tell whats going on. I guess the 2600 probably isn't that overrated to begin with, but people who give it praise don't realize how boring the games got over time, and how poorly the good ones aged. I literally can't sit down and play any 2600 game for more than 10-15 minutes without a friend to poke fun at the quality, and goofy qualities of the "graphics". I have a lot of respect for the 2600 but there's just not that much replay-ability.
That was the point back then. Nobody played video games for hours or days on end. You know, we went outside and did other things. Video games were part of our lives. Now video games ARE some peoples lives. It was healthier back then when you only played for short bursts. That's not a downside, it's a plus.
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I think the problem with this thread is that there is going to be fans of every one of these systems that someone else is going to put on here.
With me, I agree with all the reasons for the systems that have been added here.
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I think the problem with this thread is that there is going to be fans of every one of these systems that someone else is going to put on here.
With me, I agree with all the reasons for the systems that have been added here.
Opinions are like belly buttons, my friend.
We just have to agree to disagree. I think your PlayStation 2 is ass.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they're all pretty much overrated these days. I collect & play a lot of games, but it's really gotten out of hand, just look on youtube or other large public forums and you'll see so many people that are just too emotionally invested in these to the point of taking it personally if you don't like a certain game or system. Just google "video game death threats", jeez, lets keep things in perspective here!
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they're all pretty much overrated these days. I collect & play a lot of games, but it's really gotten out of hand, just look on youtube or other large public forums and you'll see so many people that are just too emotionally invested in these to the point of taking it personally if you don't like a certain game or system. Just google "video game death threats", jeez, lets keep things in perspective here!
True. The AlphaOmegasin's of the gaming scene kinda make you question whether games are really that cool to begin with. When people throw heaps of praise or hate all over something, a lot of times I'm thinking - yeah it's cool but chill nerd, it's just a game. :-X
I'm not a fan of hating on stuff, and hating is too rampant in gaming. My vote was Saturn, but still I like the system and usually I try to focus on the positives. Got to say there's nothing I truly hate as far as gaming products go. Seems like a waste of energy.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they're all pretty much overrated these days. I collect & play a lot of games, but it's really gotten out of hand, just look on youtube or other large public forums and you'll see so many people that are just too emotionally invested in these to the point of taking it personally if you don't like a certain game or system. Just google "video game death threats", jeez, lets keep things in perspective here!
That's not a symptom of game collectors so much as it is a symptom of internet regulars. Go to any forum, video games or not, and you'll get the same kind of passion and hate. Comic books and metal forum that I frequent are certainly that way with some users.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they're all pretty much overrated these days. I collect & play a lot of games, but it's really gotten out of hand, just look on youtube or other large public forums and you'll see so many people that are just too emotionally invested in these to the point of taking it personally if you don't like a certain game or system. Just google "video game death threats", jeez, lets keep things in perspective here!
That's not a symptom of game collectors so much as it is a symptom of internet regulars. Go to any forum, video games or not, and you'll get the same kind of passion and hate. Comic books and metal forum that frequent are certainly that way with some users.
Yeah, I think it permeates in any form of media; TV, movies, games, and that passion/hate flares up a lot on the internet. Especially music. People seem to love hating on the music you listen to :-\
But I'm definitely not blameless and have gotten too emotional about a game at one point or another
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they're all pretty much overrated these days. I collect & play a lot of games, but it's really gotten out of hand, just look on youtube or other large public forums and you'll see so many people that are just too emotionally invested in these to the point of taking it personally if you don't like a certain game or system. Just google "video game death threats", jeez, lets keep things in perspective here!
That's not a symptom of game collectors so much as it is a symptom of internet regulars. Go to any forum, video games or not, and you'll get the same kind of passion and hate. Comic books and metal forum that I frequent are certainly that way with some users.
Star Wars fans are like that too. I'm in a lot of predominantly positive groups too, like this one. Collectors are more likely to fall into other vices.
BTW Game Boy Color is my real pick for overrated consoles, besides the improved screen and palette options/backward compatibility for your old games, it felt like more of a color upgrade than a new system. Compared to the jump to GBA that is. The library is a minefield of crap, but of course there are plenty of good ones to find due to sheer volume. To be fair, a lot of the licensed games weren't meant for my generation, and must admit I sort of got into Matchbox Caterpillar Construction Zone :o
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Probably I would have to say the Atari 2600, There are several games for this system, and given the option to play NES or Atari 2600 its obvious that most people would rather play something where they don't have to use their imagination to tell whats going on. I guess the 2600 probably isn't that overrated to begin with, but people who give it praise don't realize how boring the games got over time, and how poorly the good ones aged. I literally can't sit down and play any 2600 game for more than 10-15 minutes without a friend to poke fun at the quality, and goofy qualities of the "graphics". I have a lot of respect for the 2600 but there's just not that much replay-ability.
That was the point back then. Nobody played video games for hours or days on end. You know, we went outside and did other things. Video games were part of our lives. Now video games ARE some peoples lives. It was healthier back then when you only played for short bursts. That's not a downside, it's a plus.
Pshhh, nostalgia glasses. There were plenty of kids that spent to much time on video games then, too. There was a group of guys at our school that would NEVER go outside for recess, they sat in front of the Commodore 64s every single recess break; not once did I see them on the playground, I don't think. Admittedly, I went through stage with them where we were going through the Swiss Family Robinson game together, though.
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Gotta go with N64. I do own one but only have 5 games for it, 3 are racing games, one is a pool game and the other is Robotron 64 - the main reason I own it.
It's not that I think it's overrated now, I thought it was overrated when it came out. Super Mario 64 which was lauded as some gaming breakthrough seemed like a boring, childish mess with poor control and horrible cameras. I didn't get the appeal. Other than Goldeneye and Mario Kart which I owned BITD I thought the N64 was the poor mans PS1 and couldn't understand how anyone other than a 10 year old would want it.
Of course I was an adult and married with a child on the way when we first got it but when I had the depth of some PS1 and PC games to play, the N64 was a childs toy to me and if my wife wasn't so addicted to Mario Kart 64 we probably would have gotten rid of it much sooner. All my friends were also gaming on PS1 or PC's at the time I didn't know anyone other than myself and my young nephew who had one and even he preferred PC gaming.
Even in my current collection I've bought and sold the N64 many times because I get it and don't understand why but again, Robotron 64 is addictive enough for me to keep the console solely for it. Otherwise it's a console who's existence and popularity I don't understand. It was overrated then, it's overrated now. Long live the 2600 - still the best console EVER!
I agree with you wholeheartedly up until you called the 2600 the best console ever. The N64 to me is some weird aberration. What should have been a continuation of the SNES and all the great games on it turned into a turd devoid of almost every major 3rd party title available. Those that did eventually get ported or even rarer-released simultaneously-always suffered compared to the PS1 versions. The audio and FMV suffered horrendously, and for me it was a toss-up between pixelated graphics on the PS1 or blurry, smeared looking graphics on the N64 versions.
As for the 2600, it was what my friends and I did when it was raining or other crappy weather prevented us from going outside. Even then, Ghost Manor was my favorite game on the system. The 2600 was ok in short spurts of use, but I never played it for more than an hour at a time. Tops. It wasn't until the NES with Super Mario Bros. and Legend of Zelda that gaming became something that I preferred doing to going outside and playing in the dirt all the time.
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TurboGrafx 16
I wanted on for a while. If I found one, I'd keep it; but I'm not paying what they go for. People love this thing, but I haven't found enough games that I want to play to justify even wanting one.
I have played most of the games the dirty way (on my modded Wii). I'm just not into any of them.
And for any of you that say the NES is overrated, Suck it. ;)
You need the cd add on really.
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As a average consumer maybe it's overrated. But the games are selling for a high price for a reason. And most playstation games are also selling so cheap for a reason. No one wants them because 3D was trash in that generation for the most part. Saturn did 2D to rule them all, and that's why people will pay top dollar for that reason. In fact the only playstation games in demand are mostly RPGS, and 2D games. I don't think it's fair to say its overrated because the RPGS are out of some peoples price range. If say that person came rich and could afford those RPGS would it suddenly become not overrated?
I don't think it's that simple though. Games are expensive only because supply does not meet demand. This can be because the game is rare, it's actually a good game, or both. So, an expensive game doesn't have anything to say if it's actually good. And because a game is cheap doesn't mean it's bad.
But I think it's very important to remember that whether a game is good or bad is based on opinion alone. Certainly a person is allowed to think that a certain expensive game on the Saturn is not that good. Thus they may not think the price is not worth it, (thus overrated), while you may think otherwise.
That's ok! I don't really see a problem with people not liking a console if they don't think the price (or the hype) is justified for the games. I respect that opinion wholeheartedly, (I'm sure you do too!) :)
Concerning the PlayStation, Tron Bonne and MML2 are two games that I can think of that are expensive but aren't 2D or RPGS. Or Intelligent Qube. Or Tomba! Be careful with absolutes like "only" ;)
I think most PS games are cheap because more people had a PlayStation, more people bought these great games because of the larger install base, and so these games got more printings and releases. That made it easier for everyone to have a copy, and so supply/demand is better, and prices are lower. Doesn't have anything to do with the game's quality per se. (Again, not always the case, see Suikoden II)
You're right but it's a combination of quality + small print run, or just quality alone that dictates the price. I think there's a bellcurve that gravitates towards good quality games being more expensive with higher demand. Rather than low quality games having high demand the only crap games that are expensive that I can think of would be action 52, or some of the atari porn
games.
Also come on dude lol, tomba is 2d or 2.5d if you want to be exact as most of the saturn 2.5d games are. But just say 2d.
And yeah you're right tron bonne is expensive but is it as expensive as its other 2d mega man counter parts on the playstation?
With that said we always have exceptions, can you think of a time when there isn't exceptions? Theres tall chinese basket ball players in the NBA, we still consider the chinese short. So yeah maybe a few 3d games hold value on playstation but in comparison to 2d it's peanuts.
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Pshhh, nostalgia glasses.
Not in my circles of friends, family and school mates. Video games were something we did when the weather was too bad to go outside. Even then, the preferred method of play was outdoor sports and games. It's probably one of the reasons my nostalgic gaming memories are so sparse from that time period.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly up until you called the 2600 the best console ever.
Tongue firmly planted in cheek. ;)
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N64.
Don't hate it. But just can't get into it.
And it was given to me with a handful of its "best" games.
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You're right but it's a combination of quality + small print run, or just quality alone that dictates the price.
Yeah I agree with you! That's what I said in response to your first message :D But I think there absolutely are games that are just rare and are still expensive.
"I don't think it's that simple though. Games are expensive only because supply does not meet demand. This can be because the game is rare, it's actually a good game, or both."
I think there's a bellcurve that gravitates towards good quality games being more expensive with higher demand. Rather than low quality games having high demand the only crap games that are expensive that I can think of would be action 52, or some of the atari porn
games.
I don't think a bellcurve is the right graph for what you're saying... I think you mean a gradual sloping graph. - As games become more expensive, the quality increases (or vise versa). And rarity affects the price positively or negatively.
If we want to go with graphs, I think of it as a really sporadic graph with a lot of peaks and valleys. Price is continuous across the X axis, and the Y axis is represented by "quality".
So, the more expensive games (on one end of the axis) have peaks and valleys - good games (like Suiko II) and bad games (like Action 52). The cheap games also have peaks and valleys too, with good games (Ace Combat 04) and bad games (FFXIII).
And these peaks and valleys would change depending on the person and their tastes. I listed the good/bad games above based on my opinion, and so my graph would look different than someone who thought AC04 was a bad game, for example.
Also come on dude lol, tomba is 2d or 2.5d if you want to be exact as most of the saturn 2.5d games are. But just say 2d.
And yeah you're right tron bonne is expensive but is it as expensive as its other 2d mega man counter parts on the playstation
I think it's debatable, certainly. I consider Tomba! to be a 3D game that moves in 2D space. So to me it's 3D (models, environments, etc.), but it's 2D in the way it's presented. Silent Hill is a game that's 3D but the controls are 2D/ tank like unless you change them. Also, I could be totally ignorant, but I don't know of any 2D Mega Man game on the PS that's more expensive than Tronne Bonne or MML2 :P
Theres tall chinese basket ball players in the NBA, we still consider the chinese short. So yeah maybe a few 3d games hold value on playstation but in comparison to 2d it's peanuts.
Isn't that the definition of a stereotype? :o Also, I think a lot of 3D games on the PlayStation hold value. It's all based on opinion. :)
Ugh, maybe if you would like to PM me we can discuss this more without clogging up the thread. I'd hate to distract from the topic at hand :-\
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N64.
Don't hate it. But just can't get into it.
And it was given to me with a handful of its "best" games.
Which ones you got ;) I might need some of them.
I promise to stop cheating on you with Pug.
And maybe turf.
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N64.
Don't hate it. But just can't get into it.
And it was given to me with a handful of its "best" games.
Which ones you got ;) I might need some of them.
I promise to stop cheating on you with Pug.
And maybe turf.
http://vgcollect.com/dashv/n64
Not parting with them though. :) I promised the guy who gave em to me I wouldn't resell it ever.
Eventually I want to play Star Fox 64 and Shadowgate 64.
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N64.
Don't hate it. But just can't get into it.
And it was given to me with a handful of its "best" games.
Which ones you got ;) I might need some of them.
I promise to stop cheating on you with Pug.
And maybe turf.
http://vgcollect.com/dashv/n64
Not parting with them though. :) I promised the guy who gave em to me I wouldn't resell it ever.
Eventually I want to play Star Fox 64 and Shadowgate 64.
Do it... Do it now. ;D
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N64.
Don't hate it. But just can't get into it.
And it was given to me with a handful of its "best" games.
Which ones you got ;) I might need some of them.
I promise to stop cheating on you with Pug.
And maybe turf.
http://vgcollect.com/dashv/n64
Not parting with them though. :) I promised the guy who gave em to me I wouldn't resell it ever.
Eventually I want to play Star Fox 64 and Shadowgate 64.
Dude, Star Fox is a fantastic game. Play it now. Then go get Rogue Squadron. Another great game.