General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: burningdoom on August 16, 2015, 04:48:13 pm
Title: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: burningdoom on August 16, 2015, 04:48:13 pm
This has got me excited. Just saw this video from Gamester81 about the Retro Console.
It's the first brand-new cartridge-based console since the Nintendo 64. According to Gamester81 it will have both re-releases of old games, and new games. New games being both exclusives and games released on other systems via XBox Live, Wii Ware, etc. He claims it will be graphics ranging from 8-bit to PS1. And the games will be physical releases on cartridge. It will even come with a pack-in game!
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Post by: bikingjahuty on August 16, 2015, 05:10:50 pm
I doubt this will ever take off. Retro gamers do not make up enough of a user base to inspire companies to actually make new games for this, especially the time and energy it costs to make a game for a specific console. I doubt this will get more than 10 games before it's fazed out.
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Post by: dreama1 on August 16, 2015, 05:18:21 pm
It'll fail badly. The pack in game looks like a low quality flash game as well.
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Post by: maximo310 on August 16, 2015, 05:24:40 pm
I mean, its a interesting idea, but I don't think sales will be enough for it. It doesn't help that I haven't heard much about the actual games coming out, just the possibilities of porting games to this platform. I'm going to need more work being done on game quality/variety before I'm even remotely interested. There is a Kickstarter for this coming out in September 14th, so maybe they can actually give us some more details on system/games at that point.
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Post by: theflea on August 16, 2015, 05:40:43 pm
I hope it does get released. will it become a contender with current consoles... No. But If it does a kickstarter ya I'll support it and I'll try and get as many games as they release new ones. because god knows how long this console will last. Might become a sought after collectors item later on. It might be one of those systems that only the diehard retro collectors will by and support and I'll buy one for sure. It might just be another Ouya, but you might see indy classic games being made for this console. But I don't see this thing being sold in stores and taking off. But ya never know. :P
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Post by: foxhack on August 16, 2015, 06:26:35 pm
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Isn't that the Atari Jaguar shape? O_o
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Post by: badATchaos on August 16, 2015, 06:58:12 pm
if the ouya couldn't take off i'm not sure how this will
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Post by: abe on August 16, 2015, 07:27:23 pm
if the ouya couldn't take off i'm not sure how this will
I agree.
I suspect the Ouya only enjoyed what little success it had because of its usefulness as a cheap emulator box.
Without a known library of heavy hitter titles available on the cheap day one I really don't see how this can be successful.
That said I'd love to be wrong. I respect the hell out of what they are trying to do, and will probably be right behind the flea to snap one up before they are gone.
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Post by: tafk on August 16, 2015, 08:09:12 pm
Will this thing be an A+ hit and compete?: No
Will this thing be cool for collectors?: Yes
Will it be successful?: That depends. I think everyone working on this knows the OUYA story, I feel like these guys/gals know they aren't going out there to compete with the big boys and their scope isn't as big as you might be imagining. I think this would be cool, depending on KS backer levels I might think about it, I wish I could go back to the days of people making games with limited space or hardware limitations, I feel like that is what made games the best. With modern games and seemingly endless supplies I feel as though games have lost their charm. Everyone has a right to be skeptical but also take this with a grain of salt and realize that where you see shortcomings the developers probably do too.
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Post by: dashv on August 16, 2015, 11:34:47 pm
I'm not talking about whether or not it can compete with Xbox One or PS4.
I'm more thinking about whether or not it can survive as even a niche product.
The Retron 5 for example is tremendously popular in spite of multiple problems pre and post launch. That popularity is because of a huge existing library of AAA content.
I just hope enough good software is released for the hardware to have made it worth the effort.
It's too bad the cartridge format couldn't have been something backward compatible with something from the past (SNES, N64, or Jag). Then they could have launched with a back catalog and grown out the library from there.
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Post by: soera on August 17, 2015, 12:52:56 am
I cant wait to see the kickstarter.
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Post by: kashell on August 17, 2015, 08:25:18 am
Ambitious...but I see this being more of a pipe dream.
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Post by: gf78 on August 17, 2015, 08:51:44 am
The Retron 5 for example is tremendously popular in spite of multiple problems pre and post launch. That popularity is because of a huge existing library of AAA content.
^^This.
The Retron consoles are successful because they have an instant library of classic games. Ouya managed to attract at least a few Final Fantasy titles, but it wasn't enough. This system is different because it's a cartridge-based console, but I don't know how successful they will be releasing games "up to PS1 graphics" when a PS1 or N64 can be had for about $40. Not to mention the Retron.
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Post by: haloofthesun on August 17, 2015, 02:30:03 pm
I mean it would be nice to have physical versions of XBL Arcade and Wii Ware games, but the question of course is "Will there actually end up being any?". I've heard about this console before and everyone had the same exact questions, usually revolving around what games there are actually going to be. None of them seem to have been answered yet, but maybe that will come with the Kickstarter.
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Post by: tafk on August 17, 2015, 02:53:55 pm
I mean it would be nice to have physical versions of XBL Arcade and Wii Ware games, but the question of course is "Will there actually end up being any?". I've heard about this console before and everyone had the same exact questions, usually revolving around what games there are actually going to be. None of them seem to have been answered yet, but maybe that will come with the Kickstarter.
If this served as a system for which those games could be released physically that would be amazing. I've been thinking about dropping ~$200 on wiiware games I'm afraid might be gone forever in a year or two, really hope I don't have to do that...
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: gf78 on August 18, 2015, 08:48:17 am
If this served as a system for which those games could be released physically that would be amazing. I've been thinking about dropping ~$200 on wiiware games I'm afraid might be gone forever in a year or two, really hope I don't have to do that...
Aside from the aspect that you don't actually own anything, ^^ this is the major reason I won't buy digital-only titles. Whenever Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo or whoever decides they don't want to have it on their servers...POOF they are gone!
Consoles aren't like PC's where there are sites that archive these old games, files, etc. And I don't see them changing to be that way anytime soon nor have any of these companies stated they were going to do something to ensure digital purchases remain viable for years to come.
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: burningdoom on September 04, 2015, 07:54:02 pm
Adapters will also be available to be able to play your classic cartridges on the Retro VGS in addition to the original games!
"They announced that thanks to the use of cartridge adapters, players will be able to play new and homebrew games for at least the Atari 2600, Intellivision, Colecovision, and NES."
And with that simple announcement they just scored my backing.
We've needed new kit for colecovision for a long time. Bonus the DB9 controller connectors should allow us to play these using the original controllers.
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Post by: abe on September 05, 2015, 10:56:30 am
I hope they have an adapter for the Famicom as well, not just the NES. Probably not too likely though. :( I actually kinda want one of these now.
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: burningdoom on September 05, 2015, 11:16:05 am
I hope they have an adapter for the Famicom as well, not just the NES. Probably not too likely though. :( I actually kinda want one of these now.
Nothing about the Famicom specifically, but there is more coming down the pipeline from this hint from the article. So if it's something people say they want, I don't see why it couldn't be done.
Quote from: Article
16-bit gaming is a possibility, but wasn’t announced since there aren’t cores available to make those games playable just yet.
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: dashv on September 05, 2015, 01:40:39 pm
Wow, it's 2 million to fund their goal?! Good luck to those guys; they're gonna need it for this.
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: dashv on September 20, 2015, 03:58:43 am
So I'm backimg it at $350.
But yeah, 2 million is insane. And there is no way the hardware will deliver by Nov. :P
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: abe on September 20, 2015, 06:20:49 am
Nope, 2 million won't happen.
I was really hoping that they'd only use the Jaguar console shell, but it looks like they just had to use the same ugly cartridge shells too. :-\
It's cool that some of NGDevteam's stuff is making it to the console, but all of their stuff was always available in a physical format anyway (as far as I'm aware), so it's not really a big deal. Wayforward showing interest in the console is kinda cool. It would be nice to have more Shantae games in physical format.
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Post by: dstone on September 20, 2015, 12:53:59 pm
Wish they had put this on Kickstarter. They'd probably do a bit better if they had a prototype, too. They're being really optimistic on the shipping dates.
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Post by: soera on September 20, 2015, 01:07:37 pm
I was waiting for the kickstarter. Now that Ive seen it, Im probably going to pass on this. While an interesting concept, its just too costly. Maybe if the library gets some awesome titles, I will change my mind but I cant see anything coming out on this system that is going to make it worth the money and/or being better than something on the PS4.
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: kashell on September 21, 2015, 11:36:00 am
"Having to download and install system updates or game patches robs us of time we want to spend playing. Some updates even rob our systems of functionality or the ability to play our favorite games. Making games depend on network servers robs us of the game temporarily when our network connection goes down, and forever when the server is decommissioned."
Sheesh, a little over dramatic.
Their goal is insanely high and that is probably one of the most long-winded spiels I've ever read. They have ambition; I'll give them that. I won't be giving them any money, though.
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Post by: bikingjahuty on September 21, 2015, 12:30:33 pm
At this rate there is no way that this will be funded and even if it does it will likely get no more than 5-games before it goes belly up, and that is being generous. Great idea, but it's in no way practical.
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: burningdoom on September 21, 2015, 05:02:50 pm
I'm about right there with you guys. But I'm really saddened by it, too. I really wanted this to succeed. I love the concept of it. But a $2,000,000 goal is pretty crazy.
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Post by: kamikazekeeg on September 21, 2015, 05:30:46 pm
Geez, I had to check this out, but man, 2 million ain't happening. 300 bucks is also super expensive for the system. It's a nifty idea, but I think their plans are far too lofty and are expecting far too much for a system that costs nearly as much a modern systems, but they only show it playing simple indie games. They probably need bigger indie games to show up on it cause I had never heard of any of those. If it was like Shovel Knight or other big indies like that, they might've had a better hook.
*EDIT* Apparently Gunlord is some old Neo Geo game? Still, I think it's stuff most people do not recognize and don't have a lot of hype for drawing people in.
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Post by: abe on September 21, 2015, 09:57:39 pm
Geez, I had to check this out, but man, 2 million ain't happening. 300 bucks is also super expensive for the system. It's a nifty idea, but I think their plans are far too lofty and are expecting far too much for a system that costs nearly as much a modern systems, but they only show it playing simple indie games. They probably need bigger indie games to show up on it cause I had never heard of any of those. If it was like Shovel Knight or other big indies like that, they might've had a better hook.
*EDIT* Apparently Gunlord is some old Neo Geo game? Still, I think it's stuff most people do not recognize and don't have a lot of hype for drawing people in.
Gunlord isn't old, it's from 2012. It also released on the Dreamcast a few months later in the same year.
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Post by: kamikazekeeg on September 21, 2015, 11:06:45 pm
Geez, I had to check this out, but man, 2 million ain't happening. 300 bucks is also super expensive for the system. It's a nifty idea, but I think their plans are far too lofty and are expecting far too much for a system that costs nearly as much a modern systems, but they only show it playing simple indie games. They probably need bigger indie games to show up on it cause I had never heard of any of those. If it was like Shovel Knight or other big indies like that, they might've had a better hook.
*EDIT* Apparently Gunlord is some old Neo Geo game? Still, I think it's stuff most people do not recognize and don't have a lot of hype for drawing people in.
Gunlord isn't old, it's from 2012. It also released on the Dreamcast a few months later in the same year.
Oh, I read it wrong then. It's release on the Dreamcast and something else made me think it was an old game.
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Post by: gf78 on September 22, 2015, 01:20:52 pm
$2 million goal ensures this is dead-in-the-water. There are some good ideas, but IMO the execution is flawed. I also hate the Atari Jaguar shape. That system was an ugly turd. Pick any of the "retro" systems available now that play old carts and they all look better than this heinous beast.
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: burningdoom on September 29, 2015, 04:47:56 pm
So according to their Facebook posts, they have officially pulled it from IndieGoGo.
They said they are going to take fan's advice into account, implement that into the console, make a working prototype, then try again on Kickstarter.
They need 3 things for this to work:
1. Lower the price. A solid-state console that doesn't go online and doesn't have updates or online gaming shouldn't cost the same as a modern console that does do all those things.
2. Have a working prototype. Nobody is gonna invest in a console that they can't see anything on. That sizzle reel they showed us was all PC or some online network version of those games.
3. Give us some exclusives. The most important thing about a console are the games. If I can get all these games on Steam or XBox Live, then why should I buy this console?
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Post by: atarileaf on September 29, 2015, 06:09:39 pm
Might wanna change the title of this thread to include the word "not" between "console" and "coming" ;)
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Post by: soera on September 30, 2015, 01:13:57 am
If thats the case, then I look forward to round 2.
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Post by: gf78 on October 01, 2015, 02:15:20 pm
$300 for a retro console is ridiculous. Especially with no proven games on it or any kind of exclusive to speak of. Even in today's market with over-inflated prices for retro consoles, I could pick up a set of complete & working NES, SNES, N64, Master System, Genesis and Saturn systems for $300! Or, y'know....get a Retron 5 which also plays import games for $150. For those "not-in-the-know" about the Retron 5, it plays Game Boy/Color/Advance, NES, SNES, Master System, Genesis, Famicom and Super Famicom games with the ability to download translation patches so your import games run in English. It also has ports to accept two NES, SNES or Genesis controllers with support for those systems multitaps.
If I want something to play Android games on, I already own a Nexus Player with controller that only cost $150 for the pair and can probably be had even cheaper now.
When I really look at it, this system is ill-conceived from the get-go. The Retron benefits from using existing game cartridges from legacy systems. There is no need for developers/publishers to release new carts for it. Given how expensive cartridges are to manufacture, I don't see small indie developers making games for this thing in the day & age when everything has moved away from solid-state cartridges to disc-based media or variations of SD-cards. Not to mention the push for more and more new content to be released digital-distribution-only.
Yeah...this will never take off. Guaranteed.
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Post by: burningdoom on October 01, 2015, 02:24:34 pm
^ Never take off, guaranteed?
It was fantastic idea, just executed poorly.
If it wasn't so expensive, and they had a working prototype, a LOT of retro gamers would get it. Plenty of people have played their retro games to death, but still love that style. They want new retro-styled games. And there's already a million and one ways to play your retro carts out there.
Plenty of YouTubers had videos about it before the failed IndieGoGo launched, so obviously there was some buzz and excitement about it.
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Post by: gf78 on October 01, 2015, 02:33:23 pm
Yeah, you can quote me on it. If I'm wrong, you can choose my avatar for a month or something.
1: A retro console for $100 would be a good start, $150 like the Retron 5 tops.
2: I don't care what anyone says, manufacturing cartridges is comparatively expensive compared to optical media, hence why N64 games were always priced higher than PS1 or Saturn games. You are not going to convince indie developers-the people who make retro games these days-to invest in the manufacturing of cartridges. It's just not gonna happen.
3: The vast majority of gamers today want to play modern games. That's why PS4 and to a lesser extend-Xbox One are so popular. Those who still enjoy 8-bit style titles buy old cartridges for their old but still functioning consoles. These guys trying to make this console are chasing a fanbase that isn't large enough in any way to support what they are trying to accomplish.
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: burningdoom on October 01, 2015, 03:47:58 pm
Not popular enough? :o
The retro gaming scene has EXPLODED in popularity in the last 5 years or so. Thanks to things like Angry Video Game Nerd, Classic Game Room, eBay and others. That's why you've seen so many console clones, retro gaming t-shirts, and YouTube reviewers out there. That's why our hobby is getting more and more expensive. Retro gaming is popular enough to support a console.
It's not as popular as Xbox and PS4, yeah. But I don't think they were ever planning on gaining that kind of numbers, or they wouldn't have been using the IndieGoGo format at all. They are marketing to that retro gaming crowd I was just talking about. Not the mainstream gamers.
And indie-developers already to invest in cartridges. Check out games like Battle Kid, Pier Solar, and Legend of Zelda: Parallel Worlds.
The console failed because it was executed poorly, not because the idea was bad. It's just a bad idea to start a crowdfunding campaign without any solid hardware to guarantee them. And $300 is far too much for a console of that nature.
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Post by: tafk on October 01, 2015, 04:17:46 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPn7r3tg8I8
May I suggest this for everyone viewing pleasure on the matter? As much as I want it to succeed I don't think the market is big enough or does the thought of making games on cartridges again warrant this. From a business standpoint its hard enough on indies already.
Title: Re: New Cartidge-Based Console Coming!
Post by: burningdoom on October 01, 2015, 04:34:48 pm
May I suggest this for everyone viewing pleasure on the matter? As much as I want it to succeed I don't think the market is big enough or does the thought of making games on cartridges again warrant this. From a business standpoint its hard enough on indies already.
I already watched the first part of that a week or two back. But that was long enough. Never made it to the 2nd video.
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Post by: fighterpilot562 on October 01, 2015, 11:23:31 pm
Retro Reload is on it
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Post by: kashell on October 02, 2015, 08:21:30 am
I agree. It was a lofty but way too ambitious type of goal.
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Post by: alamoatari on October 02, 2015, 11:46:20 pm
It's a large task to do what they said this console could do. Maybe they got over their heads. Maybe this could be resurrected as a retro game console only till they get the bugs out.