General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: dreama1 on August 26, 2015, 07:45:45 pm
Title: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: dreama1 on August 26, 2015, 07:45:45 pm
Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely? Do you own any? Do you consider it legit in your eyes?
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: burningdoom on August 26, 2015, 07:49:55 pm
Homebrew, yes, but admittedly I do not know a lot about it and have only bought a select few games that caught my eye, all of them being digital copies through GoG, XBox Live Arcade, or a few ROM downloads here or there. I wouldn't mind having a few of the Mario and Zelda homebrews on cartridge, though.
Repros, no. I buy the originals. If I have any repros in my collection, they were well-disguised and I have no idea, lol.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: thewelshman on August 26, 2015, 07:56:18 pm
I'm all for homebrews. I only wish I had half the intelligence of the people who can hack consoles. I'm mostly a huge fan due to the translating community that's allowed me to play games that were never released in the States. Repros, no, if its someone taking advantage of a gamer by selling them a fake in place of a legit item. If I have a game that I know is a repro and paid little for it, then I wouldn't throw a fit. I can't think of an instance that I would, though.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: dreama1 on August 26, 2015, 08:01:03 pm
Homebrew, yes, but admittedly I do not know a lot about it and have only bought a select few games that caught my eye, all of them being digital copies through GoG, XBox Live Arcade, or a few ROM downloads here or there. I wouldn't mind having a few of the Mario and Zelda homebrews on cartridge, though.
Repros, no. I buy the originals. If I have any repros in my collection, they were well-disguised and I have no idea, lol.
Disguised you say? lol Might want to be careful then. Heard about some guy trading some boxed snes games in. Half of them were repros the guy at the shop was furious.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: dreama1 on August 26, 2015, 08:03:43 pm
I'm all for homebrews. I only wish I had half the intelligence of the people who can hack consoles. I'm mostly a huge fan due to the translating community that's allowed me to play games that were never released in the States. Repros, no, if its someone taking advantage of a gamer by selling them a fake in place of a legit item. If I have a game that I know is a repro and paid little for it, then I wouldn't throw a fit. I can't think of an instance that I would, though.
I don know through. How about some of the pc engine cd games going for 300-500 dollar? Repro only about 30 dollar. But I think I know what you mean some asshole was selling repros on ebay as legit copies, some member posted it on here a few days ago.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: thewelshman on August 26, 2015, 08:17:15 pm
I'm all for homebrews. I only wish I had half the intelligence of the people who can hack consoles. I'm mostly a huge fan due to the translating community that's allowed me to play games that were never released in the States. Repros, no, if its someone taking advantage of a gamer by selling them a fake in place of a legit item. If I have a game that I know is a repro and paid little for it, then I wouldn't throw a fit. I can't think of an instance that I would, though.
I don know through. How about some of the pc engine cd games going for 300-500 dollar? Repro only about 30 dollar. But I think I know what you mean some asshole was selling repros on ebay as legit copies, some member posted it on here a few days ago.
Exactly! I guess I'm against the idea of someone making a huge profit off of it rather that giving gamers a more budget way of accessing games. Not all gamers and collectors have the budget to buy the tons of games that come out monthly.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: badATchaos on August 26, 2015, 08:25:23 pm
Completely original homebrew games are okay. When it comes to anything else I'm generally against it. If someone takes a ROM of a rare, obscure or translated game and puts it on a cart and sells it, that's illegal.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: foxhack on August 26, 2015, 08:40:37 pm
*coughs*
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: badATchaos on August 26, 2015, 08:45:49 pm
hahahahaha. i was waiting for your response.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: bikingjahuty on August 26, 2015, 09:35:31 pm
Homebrew games: Hell Yes! Repros of games never released: Yes I do Repros of hacked versions of existing games: Yes Repros of games that never got a English release: yes Repros of games available in all regions: Nope
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: olly88 on August 26, 2015, 10:56:52 pm
Reproductions of hacked games and stuff like that is cool, even though I don't currently own any, but reproductions of existing games and/or their boxes, which seem to be becoming much more frequent if you look on eBay, then no, that pisses me off.
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Post by: stealthrush on August 26, 2015, 10:59:29 pm
I'm all for homebrews. I only wish I had half the intelligence of the people who can hack consoles. I'm mostly a huge fan due to the translating community that's allowed me to play games that were never released in the States. Repros, no, if its someone taking advantage of a gamer by selling them a fake in place of a legit item. If I have a game that I know is a repro and paid little for it, then I wouldn't throw a fit. I can't think of an instance that I would, though.
I don know through. How about some of the pc engine cd games going for 300-500 dollar? Repro only about 30 dollar. But I think I know what you mean some asshole was selling repros on ebay as legit copies, some member posted it on here a few days ago.
Original games I'm for, although most are average at best. Translated games I'm for patching myself, not buying any other form. Expensive exclusives are to be expected, and I condone most reproductions- The only repro i'm willing to obtain is Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire for PCE ArcadeCD.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: cornykev on August 27, 2015, 12:44:06 am
I have only two homebrew games (Dungeon for Atari 2600 and Pier Solar for Genesis) and I think they're really cool. Would love to buy more, but they tend to fall on the "out of my price range" side of things. There are a few repros of hacked/unreleased/no longer available games that I'd like to own at some point, but again, money is the issue. Repros of games that are readily available, regardless of language, seem sketchy to me. Especially now that I have a Retron 5 and can apply translation patches to games.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: dondetti on August 27, 2015, 03:02:53 am
Homebrews are very cool, repros are a mixed bag. Repros of games that were never originally released or localisations that never happened back then are fine, but counterfeits of rare games are a big no. I feel the same about music really, I love rare live or rehearsal bootlegs but can't stand counterfeits of rare records.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: kam1kaz3nl77 on August 27, 2015, 06:10:03 am
Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely? Do you own any? Do you consider it legit in your eyes?
I previously owned a repro version of Earthbound (PAL Repro), cause i couldn't find an affordable original. Now i own the real deal.
Currently own 3 repros: - Mega Man X2 (full cib pall repro) - Secret of Mana 2 (full cib pal repro) - Star Ocean (english translated pal rom in original japanese box)
So you could say i'm not against it if it gives me to enjoy games i otherwise don't have a chance to play (besides roms)
I am against people advertising repros as originals on the internet, since they can be so real, with current technologies. Those peple should be ashamed.
Well that's my opnion. :p
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: theflea on August 27, 2015, 06:05:02 pm
Homebrews I'm all for it. I love when people make new games for the old classics.
Repro's - Yes and no. Yes if it's a Prototype that was never released or something like NWC90 and the cart looks NOTHING like the original. But where I get upset is games like Flintstones 2, Stadium Events or Little Samson and the game looks exactly like an original. I see these pop up on Ebay and idiots want a stupid amount of money for a Reproduction. Then there's losers who try and sell a repro as an original that are nothing but scammers in my opinion. Also I have no issue with English translations of Japanese games.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: aliensstudios on August 27, 2015, 06:38:15 pm
I support it. I own a repro or two (all of translated games and the like) and I don't mind home-brews if the quality is good.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: soera on August 27, 2015, 08:48:56 pm
I am one of those collectors that doesnt care for the value of anything. I would support any repro of any game I want if I can afford it.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: thecrypticodor on August 27, 2015, 11:13:26 pm
If by Homebrew you mean completely new games made by enthusiasts who would have a problem with that? I've purchased Thrust and Stay Frosty 2 off of Atariage and they're incredible.
As for reproductions as long as the consumer isn't being duped into thinking it's genuine the only party that should care are the companies who own the intellectual property. Since they are not producing these games themselves or at the very least not in the format that people want them in they really only have themselves to blame for for all this counterfeiting and bootlegging.
Some of the SNES/SFC repros/bootlegs or whatever you wanna call them coming out of China are starting to get pretty damn convincing. Also since their cases are directly molded off the original carts their fake PCB's are interchangeable with official cases. So any jerk without even the slightest bit of knowledge of how to make a repro could just have a new reproduction label made up slap it on a real cartridge and make a Madden into a fake Earthbound and the only way to tell would be to open the cartridge. If I were buying $100-$200+ games I'd be a bit nervous.
A fake $30 Lufia 2 bootleg next to a legit game (http://i.imgur.com/2yyCMv5.jpg?2) (http://i.imgur.com/ENwjd77.jpg?2) (http://i.imgur.com/4Is1OUf.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: alamoatari on October 02, 2015, 06:17:03 pm
Reproductions for the reason to trick or defraud is shameful. Reproductions for your own person I see no issue. Home brew is awesome.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: dashv on October 02, 2015, 11:28:48 pm
Homebrew games: Hell Yes! Repros of games never released: Yes I do Repros of hacked versions of existing games: Yes Repros of games that never got a English release: yes Repros of games available in all regions: Nope
^ this ^
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: dstone on October 03, 2015, 02:23:18 pm
Do you support homebrew? Yes.
repros? Depends. Repros of unreleased games or language hacks are great. Repros of released games need to be clearly marked (different color cart or the text REPRO plastered across the back or something). I personally would not buy a repro of a released game.
Do you own any? Yes. Homebrew: Halo 2600 (Atari 2600), Incoming (Atari 2600) Repro (unreleased): The Last Starfighter (Atari 800XL)
Do you consider it legit in your eyes? That depends on what you are referring to when you say "legit." I think these games should be cataloged for what they are - homebrews are homebrews, repros are repros. These carts are by no means official releases and should not be marked that way.
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Post by: fredlepirate on October 06, 2015, 11:02:18 pm
I totally support homebrew for older console, I love to have brand new retro games for my older console. I own 5 homebrew game on Dreamcast (Last Hope, Fast Striker, Gunlord, NEO XYX and Sturmwind), and Ive supported the Kickstarter of Pier Solar (I should finally receive my copie this month) and Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs.
For repro, I only support if its a game that was never release in my area (North America) and translated. I own a translated Fire Emblem episode on SNES and plan to eventually buy more RPG never release in NA on SNES.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: spac316 on October 07, 2015, 05:07:58 pm
I support Homebrews wholeheartedly. If people want to make there own game for classic hardware, by all means go for it. I own a couple Homebrew NES games myself.
Repros are a touchy subject. I actually would support them as long as they are not passed off as the original and the seller would not try to rip you off as such. I would like to see them as cheaper alternatives to all the rare games that are WAY to expensive for their own good. But they should be in different colors and have the word Repro somewhere on it. They're also good for physical versions of fan-translated games that weren't released outside Japan. So in short, as long as they don't get abused, I can support Repros.
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Post by: Warmsignal on October 08, 2015, 01:59:06 am
Yes I do. I've been thinking of buying a few repros lately. There are some games I'd like to have, but as a rule now I'm not gonna spend $100 on a single cart, or anything even more absurd probably ever again. Frankly I'm tired of all the pricing bubbling and dollar value means very little to me. It's not why I do this. The value in my games is mostly sentimental, be them new, or old.
Homebrews, admittedly I don't know much about, probably better that I don't follow that market as my attention span and funds are already spread thin enough. Some of the fan translations of famicom / super famicom games are interesting.
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Post by: gf78 on October 08, 2015, 01:34:42 pm
Homebrew, of course. They hurt nobody as it's not bootlegs or illegal copies of games. They are after all, new games.
Repro? Depends. I cannot stand someone trying to pass a reproduction off as an original. But fan translated games that were never released in all territories? Definitely cool with that! Secret of Mana was a great SNES game. From what I hear, 2 & 3 were great too but many gamers wouldn't know because they never saw a release stateside!
With the repro carts of these games, translated into English plus the ability to have a system like the Retron 5 load translation patches to play the Japanese originals-it's a fantastic time to finally be able to experience a classic(s) that the publisher never felt like we should get to play for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Do you support homebrew/repros or are you against it completely?
Post by: soera on October 08, 2015, 02:57:45 pm
I wish I could find a repro version of Magic Knight Rayearth so that I can play it again without spending $300 on a copy. :(
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Post by: turf on October 08, 2015, 04:39:01 pm
Use SSF; that's the best Saturn emulator that's currently available.
I remember having a hard time playing Panzer Dragoon Saga on SSF, had to mess with very deep rendering settings and BIOS version switch just to avoid emulator crash on some cutscenes or fights. Got bad memories as well on losing two or three times more than 1 hour playthrough when I emulated Majora's Mask back then on another emulator. Got another same story with Secret of Mana crashing at the end of a dungeon while we were 3 players having a blast on the game and running the supposed ULTRA stable SNES emulator.
Yes emulators are cool and all, but now I only play on the real thing, it can take months of saving to buy a game like PDS but I prefer that over the frustration emulators can bring. Plus I really love playing with the original controllers on my CRT, nothing emulated compares to it IMO.
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Post by: soera on October 09, 2015, 10:49:30 am
Im not one who cares if its the original system/controller. I have Ys books I & II on the Wii VC and it only cost me $8 and it was just as fabulous as the version on the TG-CD.
Are there any emulators/hacks that are compatible with something like the Wii or the 3DS that would let me play a Saturn game? If Nintendo would just put the damned thing on their VC, my world would be happy!
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Post by: abe on October 09, 2015, 11:13:22 am
Im not one who cares if its the original system/controller. I have Ys books I & II on the Wii VC and it only cost me $8 and it was just as fabulous as the version on the TG-CD.
Are there any emulators/hacks that are compatible with something like the Wii or the 3DS that would let me play a Saturn game? If Nintendo would just put the damned thing on their VC, my world would be happy!
There is a version of Yabause you can use on a Wii. I haven't had any experience with it though so I can't comment on the quality of the emulation.
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Post by: doctorlaudanum on October 18, 2015, 12:27:44 am
Love homebrews, but I have mixed feeling about repros, especially considering I own a few. I like having translated physical copies of games that were never released in my native language, but I think there are some definite ethical issues with making a profit off of someone else's work. A VGCollect user (I think it was foxhack?) also brought up the fact that many repro creators don't credit the translators for their work on the original ROMs, which I think is wrong.