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Title: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on December 18, 2015, 04:48:28 pm
http://www.projectdream.co/ (http://www.projectdream.co/)

Originally this started as a online petition for Sega to make a new Dreamcast, and the creator promised to pitch it to Sega if the goal was met. I signed the petition as a Sega fan, but really expected nothing to come from it. But then it met it's goal. And now there's an official website and a clock counting down (as well as notices sent out to all the signers)...it's actually hinting at something coming, amazingly enough.

Wow. So does this mean the fan petition worked? We're actually going to get a new Dreamcast? Who would have thunk it? I guess we'll find out in 12 days, as the clock says.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: doafan on December 18, 2015, 04:59:41 pm
I was about to say where do I need to sign up to have a new version until I saw that you have edited the post, without a doubt this will be the longest twelve days of my life anyway already had signed to the newsletter of the page  8)
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: kamikazekeeg on December 18, 2015, 05:28:53 pm
So what is this exactly? It's just gonna be new versions of the Dreamcast or is it a Dreamcast 2 that will get new games, but still play old games? I never heard of this till now, especially since I never saw the Dreamcast as anything particularly interesting.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: matimo on December 18, 2015, 07:32:34 pm
It will never get farther than the petition. Sega isn't as big as it once was, and they no longer have an r & d sector to even begin planning a new console never mind the money required. People who want a sequel system are just blinded by nostalgia, the original system failed for many reasons and Sega hasn't done anything good since, this will NEVER happen. This announcement doesn't mean anything.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on December 18, 2015, 08:09:08 pm
^ It already is past the petition. I can't tell you exactly what that clock is counting down to, but it's counting down to something. I was just as skeptical as you when I signed the petition, that's why I'm blown away we're going to whatever this next stage will be in 12 days.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: fighterpilot562 on December 18, 2015, 08:37:05 pm
Tag for interest.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: davifus on December 18, 2015, 08:45:19 pm
The Dream
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: redblaze57 on December 18, 2015, 08:49:20 pm
I would not trust that site at all. I notice basically Pixels of white around logo and register mark, there isn't any way to mute what's being played in the background, you scroll down and there's a random map in the background and no copyright info at the bottom. just everything seems off about this site
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: fighterpilot562 on December 18, 2015, 08:59:44 pm
Ya, website doesnt seem legit..... agreed.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: davifus on December 18, 2015, 09:01:31 pm
https://www.change.org/p/sega-of-america-to-design-and-release-a-sega-dreamcast-limited-edition-console
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: kamikazekeeg on December 18, 2015, 09:07:37 pm
Only 20k signatures? Yeah that doesn't seem likely.  It isn't much interest and there isn't much financial gain for Sega to release a modernized retro console.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on December 18, 2015, 09:15:35 pm
there isn't much financial gain for Sega to release a modernized retro console.

(https://fangirlsarewe.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/atgames-sega-genesis-classic-game-console.jpg)
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on December 18, 2015, 09:16:26 pm
I'm cautiously hopeful. 12 days...
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: vidmusc on December 18, 2015, 09:28:17 pm
This is definitely fake. Went to whois.net to check it, this is the domain info that came up:
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Domain Name: PROJECTDREAM.CO
Domain ID: D72170374-CO
Sponsoring Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 146
Registrar URL (registration services): www.godaddy.com
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Registrant ID: CR211658275
Registrant Name: Evening Star
Registrant Address1: 4859 TUTWILER AVE
Registrant City: Memphis
Registrant State/Province: Tennessee
Registrant Postal Code: 38122
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.9013884552
Registrant Email: lao.dara@hotmail.com
Administrative Contact ID: CR211658277
Administrative Contact Name: Evening Star
Administrative Contact Address1: 4859 TUTWILER AVE
Administrative Contact City: Memphis
Administrative Contact State/Province: Tennessee
Administrative Contact Postal Code: 38122
Administrative Contact Country: United States
Administrative Contact Country Code: US
Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.9013884552
Administrative Contact Email: lao.dara@hotmail.com
Billing Contact ID: CR211658278
Billing Contact Name: Evening Star
Billing Contact Address1: 4859 TUTWILER AVE
Billing Contact City: Memphis
Billing Contact State/Province: Tennessee
Billing Contact Postal Code: 38122
Billing Contact Country: United States
Billing Contact Country Code: US
Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.9013884552
Billing Contact Email: lao.dara@hotmail.com
Technical Contact ID: CR211658276
Technical Contact Name: Evening Star
Technical Contact Address1: 4859 TUTWILER AVE
Technical Contact City: Memphis
Technical Contact State/Province: Tennessee
Technical Contact Postal Code: 38122
Technical Contact Country: United States
Technical Contact Country Code: US
Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.9013884552
Technical Contact Email: lao.dara@hotmail.com
Name Server: NS65.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS66.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Created by Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Last Updated by Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Domain Registration Date: Thu Dec 17 02:33:03 GMT 2015
Domain Expiration Date: Fri Dec 16 23:59:59 GMT 2016
Domain Last Updated Date: Thu Dec 17 02:33:03 GMT 2015
DNSSEC: false

Searching the address just leads you to a house. As much as I'd love to see this happen, it just won't honestly.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: dreama1 on December 18, 2015, 09:31:34 pm
Sega is dead. Signing such a tiny petition is like writing names down on toilet paper. And even if it did go ahead the dickless Sega of today would just would laugh in their faces over the idea thats if they even acknowledged the proposal.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: kamikazekeeg on December 18, 2015, 09:32:14 pm
there isn't much financial gain for Sega to release a modernized retro console.

(https://fangirlsarewe.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/atgames-sega-genesis-classic-game-console.jpg)

And that thing probably costs 50 bucks to make.  What that new Dreamcast is being asked to be would cost much more than that.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: aliensstudios on December 18, 2015, 11:11:31 pm
I really wish this was happening but most of me thinks it never will
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: turom on December 19, 2015, 03:13:49 am
SEGA is certainly not developing a new hardware to enter a competition against 8th gen in their current state, it's strictly impossible. Even if they wanted to create a new hardware it would never be a "Dreamcast 2", it would be a new name with a new concept, the golden age of SEGA in the arcades is long gone.

Then let's say a real limited edition DC console ? You realize that building a Dreamcast console that can launch DC games require a GD-ROM drive unit that has been discontinued by Yamaha 10 years ago, right ? Unless this Tennessee guy has made a special contract with Samsung to rebuild those antiquated drives you won't be reading a retail DC game in his console.

What would that be then, a "retro-modern" console ala Neo-Geo X with a NAOMI emulator that can't actualy properly work (http://www.emuparadise.me/Sega_Dreamcast_Emulators/Windows/1) and output horribly upscaled games to HDMI ? A KallistiOS machine that can only play homebrews ?

I love the Dreamcast, I REALLY DO (http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,6267.msg94028.html#msg94028), but please let it rest in the SEGA pantheon now and go on...
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: kashell on December 19, 2015, 09:15:50 am
This doesn't seem legit. Just based on a click to the website, clearly something is amiss.

The Dreamcast can only live in our memories. It's a shame, but that's the way thing go in the video game world.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: bikingjahuty on December 19, 2015, 01:30:56 pm
My guess is that this may be some sort of Dreamcast clone system that is endorsed by Sega, similar to that Genesis they sell that plays the carts and also has like 50-games built in. I honestly think this would be awesome if they did it right. The hardware would be ultra cheap to produce now as well. It would be nice too since the disk drive on the Dreamcast seems to crap out frequently (I've gone through three of them).


This is certainly not a "Dreamcast 2" that will be competing with the PS4 or XB1.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: spunkyfidget on December 19, 2015, 06:34:18 pm
I'm not seeing anything on this at all when I search for projectdream on the web, except for an unlicensed Super Nintendo game.

So I don't know if this is the real deal or what?

And besides, what's wrong with the old Dreamcast?
It has some awesome games.  People are still making games, mods and hacks for it.
It's easy to access ISO files, burn them to a disc and play them.
It still has online support with servers still existing for the hardcore community.


...I don't get it.

What makes this so special anyway?
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: gf78 on December 20, 2015, 12:00:22 pm
there isn't much financial gain for Sega to release a modernized retro console.

(https://fangirlsarewe.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/atgames-sega-genesis-classic-game-console.jpg)

Sega didn't release that any more than Atari or Coleco released new consoles. That's a third party who licensed the rights.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on December 20, 2015, 12:49:58 pm
^ Which is how this would work, I'm sure, if it happens.

The new Genesis is officially licensed by Sega, though, and they do get a piece of that profit.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: gf78 on December 20, 2015, 02:16:38 pm
The Sega of our memories is just that:  A memory. Aside from Atlus games, Sega doesn't release much and 99% of what they DO release is crap. There's been what - one good Sonic game out of the last 20? 

Yakuza has a niche following, but Sega has shown they don't care for making great games any longer and have disbanded most of their in-house talent. Alien Isolation by the Creative Assembly was their only great game in years and they basically contracted to have a outside developer make that. They are only even making Alien games because they have the rights for them right now.

A new Sega system would either be a retro style like the Genesis shown or...well, nothing.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on December 22, 2015, 04:39:00 pm
This thing is making the rounds on all the newsites. Today it seems to be becoming a hotly debated subject. Much of it revolving around basically the same discussion we had here: Is this for real? Or is this just another internet hoax?

As many of pointed out, this seems like there's more to it this time around. But as many of the Sega fans are pointing out: This wouldn't be the first time we've had the wool pulled over our eyes regarding a new Sega system (anyone remember the Ring Edge-based console patents Sega filed a few years back that never turned into anything?).

What's more interesting, is I've even heard people point out Zach Morris as possibly being a part of this. While his name was never officially mentioned, people are pointing to the fact that a lot of the same behaviors are being exhibited by one of the team members. If you don't know, Zach Morris is a guy that has perpetuated more than one online rumor of a Dreamcast 2 over the years.

Like I said before, I'm cautiously optimistic about this. I'd rather hope a new console can come out, than give up on the idea as soon as I see it. But all this debate and speculation around the gaming world will at least hopefully open Sega's eyes to the fact that they still have console fans out there that would pay for something new.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: redblaze57 on December 22, 2015, 06:47:19 pm
What's more interesting, is I've even heard people point out Zach Morris as possibly being a part of this. While his name was never officially mentioned, people are pointing to the fact that a lot of the same behaviors are being exhibited by one of the team members. If you don't know, Zach Morris is a guy that has perpetuated more than one online rumor of a Dreamcast 2 over the years.


 ??? ??? ???
I can tell you I got absolutely nothing to do with this and have never made a rumor about the Dreamcast 2
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on December 22, 2015, 07:46:11 pm
What's more interesting, is I've even heard people point out Zach Morris as possibly being a part of this. While his name was never officially mentioned, people are pointing to the fact that a lot of the same behaviors are being exhibited by one of the team members. If you don't know, Zach Morris is a guy that has perpetuated more than one online rumor of a Dreamcast 2 over the years.


 ??? ??? ???
I can tell you I got absolutely nothing to do with this and have never made a rumor about the Dreamcast 2

lol, when I read the name this is what I thought of:

(http://www.etonline.com/photo/2015/01/24122787/640_zach_morris_ugly_sweater.jpg)
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: redblaze57 on December 22, 2015, 08:31:17 pm
What's more interesting, is I've even heard people point out Zach Morris as possibly being a part of this. While his name was never officially mentioned, people are pointing to the fact that a lot of the same behaviors are being exhibited by one of the team members. If you don't know, Zach Morris is a guy that has perpetuated more than one online rumor of a Dreamcast 2 over the years.


 ??? ??? ???
I can tell you I got absolutely nothing to do with this and have never made a rumor about the Dreamcast 2

lol, when I read the name this is what I thought of:

[img]

and people wonder why I hate that Show. I just found out recently that my dad got the idea for my first name from the Actor John Zacherley
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: spac316 on December 23, 2015, 12:25:57 am
I am getting so sick of seeing this crap.
The golden age of Sega is gone and people need to get over it. This is just click bait and it will never happen.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: turom on December 23, 2015, 03:57:03 am
Well.. http://kotaku.com/no-sega-isnt-launching-a-dreamcast-2-1749342080
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: kashell on December 23, 2015, 08:27:35 am
(http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Ma39cef0c546f7de8bec574c0d1896181H0&pid=15.1)
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on December 23, 2015, 12:12:26 pm
Well.. http://kotaku.com/no-sega-isnt-launching-a-dreamcast-2-1749342080

Which is part of the debate that I'm talking about. We seem to be getting conflicted reports from different sources.

Here's what I got in my email last night, straight from the source:

Quote
Dec 23, 2015 — Dear all, there has been a few misconceptions following some misleading information regarding the campaign.

Let me make this clear:

1. We are petitioning Sega and want as many signatures as possible.

2. When we hit a satisfied number of signatures, we will put forth a detailed proposal to Sega (Japan) along with plans, desings etc.

3. We have a developer on board willing to build the console providing Sega give the green light.

4. The console is intended to be a Hybrid PC Dreamcast system with updated specs and the ability to redraw games in High Definition.

5. If Sega don't like our proposal, we are planning to push forth and create a machine capable of doing so, however that will require crowd funding.

6. There are other interested parties and we are in ongoing discussion with them and exploring many avenues.

7. The console is yet be named and is not planned to be called "Ring Edge or Ring Zero"

From the team at Project Dream, we thank you for understanding and urge you to please be patient. We are happy to hear your ideas for a new and improved machine.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: gf78 on December 23, 2015, 02:14:00 pm
I guess I'm just not seeing the point in releasing a "retro" console like Dreamcast 2 or the Coleco thing.  Nobody is going to buy them and software support will be pitiful.  There is no chance of getting Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, EA or any other big publisher to release games on it.  They have their own systems and retro titles are available for them through their various online stores. 

Dreamcast was a damn good system for it's time.  But I think many are seeing it through rose tinted glasses and nostalgia.  And along with that wave of nostalgia, also forgetting flaws like a short-ass controller cable, wired the wrong direction and no dual analog sticks.  What were the big games for it?  Here's a brief rundown of memorable titles.

Capcom Vs. SNK:  Replaced with a superior sequel
Chu Chu Rocket:  Ported to other systems(s)
Crazy Taxi & Crazy Taxi 2:  Ported to other systems and followed by a sequel on Xbox
Dead or Alive 2:  Ported to other systems and received sequels on other systems
Dino Crisis:  Available on other systems
Resident Evil (all):  Available on other systems in superior formats
All of the SNK Fighters:  Available on other systems
Grandia II:  Available on other systems
House of the Dead 2:  Ported to other systems and received sequels on other systems
Jet Grind Radio:  Ported to other systems and received a superior sequel on Xbox
All the other Capcom fighters:  Available on other systems in equal and/or superior formats
Phantasy Star Online:  Superior version available on other systems
Quake III Arena and Unreal Tournament:  Superior on PC and PS2 because lack of 2nd analog stick
Rayman 2:  Available on multiple systems
Samba De Amigo:  Available on the Wii
Sega GT/Sega Rally/Daytona USA:  Superior alternatives on competing systems
Sega Smash Pack:  Compilations have been whored out to every platform imaginable
Skies of Arcadia:  Superior version made for Gamecube
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2:  Ported in superior form to Gamecube
Soul Calibur:  Great game.  But has received a multitude of just-as-good sequels on other platforms.
Space Channel 5:  Ported to PS2.
Virtua Fighter 3tb:  Superior sequels released on PS2, PS4 and Xbox 360.

That leaves us with the following exclusives:
Seaman
Shenmue
Sonic Shuffle
Typing of the Dead
Virtual On - Oratorio Tangram
Zombie Revenge

The rest is multiplatform titles and of no major significance anyway.  And of the six exclusives listed above, how many are truly memorable?  I'll give you Seaman and Shenmue.  But Sonic Shuffle, Typing of the Dead, Virtual On and Zombie Revenge suck.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: maximo310 on December 23, 2015, 03:31:17 pm
I'd have to disagree that dreamcast  does not have a ton of good games. There's a ton of shmups on the system and many of them( along with other arcade games) are very close to perfect ports since many were developed for the Sega Naomi arcade system, which is a Dreamcast with 2x texture memory and 4x sound memory. Many Dreamcast games that are Naomi ports are for the most part more accurate compared to their ports on other systems; get the Dreamcast arcade stick and you're ready to go.  For the games you listed: Typing of the Dead can be pretty fun; but it's defenitely not needed if you already have house of the dead 2; virtual on needs the twin sticks to really get the most playability. Capcom vs SNK 2 is available on Dreamcast in Japan; some of the Capcom fighters like Jojo are still the best version you can get on any platform, samba de amigo is better compared to the wii version( which the wii mote is not well done)
Some of the Japan exclusives for the Dreamcast defenitely help pad out the amount of games. Even though the praise for Dreamcast can seem a bit excessive at times; there are a ton of games available on the platform as exclusives or as the best multiplatform version still available.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: turom on December 23, 2015, 04:42:33 pm
Yea for me the DC is the console of the perfect Last Blade II port and all those fantastic shmups, I don't care too much of the NAOMI & 3D stuff except for a very few games mentioned above, that's why I couldn't care less of a Dreamcast 2 PC thing that render 3D games in HD...
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on December 30, 2015, 01:59:54 pm
The site is now live:

http://www.projectdream.co/ (http://www.projectdream.co/)

I so want this to work. I know the odds are low, but who doesn't want Sega to return to the console scene?
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on January 07, 2016, 01:04:42 pm
Interview with Project Dream Team:

http://thegg.net/interviews/project-dream-q-and-a-interview-with-joanne-freeman/ (http://thegg.net/interviews/project-dream-q-and-a-interview-with-joanne-freeman/)
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: retroone on January 08, 2016, 08:23:53 pm
Sega needs to focus on being able to make a game before thinking about a console.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: sin2beta on January 08, 2016, 09:52:16 pm
Sega needs to focus on being able to make a game before thinking about a console.

Unfortunately, I agree with this to a large degree. Not that SEGA doesn't have good games. They've made several recently. Yakuza being a huge shining star. And with ATLUS, you have a lot. But there is not a need for a console. They make games on PC and the other consoles that are basically PCs. I'm a huge SEGA fan and even I think a new console would be pointless.

Now, I would love for them to get back into hardware for controllers. Just make Saturn controllers for PCs again. And maybe a modified (dual stick dreamcast controller (although Microsoft basically did this already).
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: DreamsDied13101 on January 08, 2016, 11:00:16 pm
These guys (along with Wikipedia and most websites) have no real knowledge of the Dreamcast. I'm sick of reading that the Dreamcast was produced until March 31st. That was the date that existing hardware inventory was to be liquidated by. Production ceased on January 31st (if not earlier - just like my user id).

It would be amazing to see a new Sega console, and I would buy it immediately even though I know it would fail worse than Wii U. Realistically I don't see this ever happening. It would be cool to see penetration numbers like the old Dreamcast ads showed though. Billions playing Dreamcast 2.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on January 09, 2016, 10:37:27 am
^ I think it would be an immediate success out of the gate, actually. Just the novelty of Sega selling consoles again would move units. The problem after that would be Sega struggling to keep selling them after that novelty wore off.

But I think a lot of people are misinterpreting this, just from that comment. From what I can see, they don't want an all-new console (I'd love that if it was, though). They want a modernized version of the Dreamcast. One that can have a hard-drive to install games to, one that can play DVDs & Blu-Rays, and one that can play in 720/1080 HD.

Another misconception I'm seeing: Sega doesn't make hardware. They make all kinds of arcade hardware. Hardware isn't one of their hurdles.

One thing that's not a misconception, though, is their game quality. I really can't argue that. They aren't the Sega of old. This would be something supported by the collector's/retro market, and by indie-developers if it's capable of new games. I'm sure. But being part of that retro market, I'd still be happy with that.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: DreamsDied13101 on January 09, 2016, 02:34:31 pm
@burningdoom - I guess it depends on what market they are going for. If they are looking to distribute through retail channels again and sign on 3rd party developers then I just can't imagine this working. Even Nintendo couldn't make it work this gen. If they are looking for a niche market and to appease the vgcollect kind of crowd then they might do ok. The Neo Geo X bombed though recently although it doesn't have the brand recognition like Sega.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on January 17, 2016, 12:57:33 pm
A protoype UI is completed and available to view on YouTube and negotiations have begun with Sega; according to the latest email update I received this morning.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: DreamsDied13101 on January 17, 2016, 11:52:01 pm
A protoype UI is completed and available to view on YouTube and negotiations have begun with Sega; according to the latest email update I received this morning.

Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: Warmsignal on January 18, 2016, 12:14:57 pm
A new Dreamcast? No, not really. It isn't going to happen. Even if it's on store shelves tomorrow, I say it still isn't happening. Fans concoct this idea every few years and it will never happen because Sega is in no position to ever do such a thing and will never be again.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: DreamsDied13101 on January 19, 2016, 02:46:35 pm
If any group has a chance of making this real it would be this team. I still stand by my earlier post that Sega would fail at competing in the open market (Ouya, Nintendo come to mind recently).

This group is different than all the others that have sprung up over the years though. It is being handled with some people who actually have some skill sets.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on February 08, 2016, 06:14:48 pm
Sega executives are reportedly receptive to Dreamcast 2 and are looking forward to the proposal:

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/50199/sega-listening-dreamcast-2-pitch-seems-receptive/index.html?fb_action_ids=10153876448787464&fb_action_types=og.likes (http://www.tweaktown.com/news/50199/sega-listening-dreamcast-2-pitch-seems-receptive/index.html?fb_action_ids=10153876448787464&fb_action_types=og.likes)
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: soera on February 09, 2016, 12:20:42 am
I just have one question .... why? What is the purpose in another console?
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: abe on February 09, 2016, 10:05:09 am
I just have one question .... why? What is the purpose in another console?

A nostalgia trip for Sega fanboys from the 90s. ???
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: ignition365 on February 09, 2016, 10:12:29 am
I just have one question .... why? What is the purpose in another console?
Realistically?  It sounds like a method of getting current Sega arcades into the home market.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: telly on February 09, 2016, 12:32:41 pm
I just have one question .... why? What is the purpose in another console?

A nostalgia trip for Sega fanboys from the 90s. ???

Can't say I disagree with that assessment, haha. I'm not a big fan of the Dreamcast in general though, so I'm biased.  :P
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: soera on February 09, 2016, 01:22:13 pm
I hate the Dreamcast. Its 2nd only to the N64 as the worst full blown console ever made. Thats not my issue though. There is already a Nintendo system, a Sony system, and a Microshaft system. The list of games coming out is not only impressive but extensive. What on earth makes us need another console company ? I can not see a single thing that they can bring to the table that will sway anyone from the big 3 (4 if you count the PC) right now. Hell, damn near every Sega title is being whored out to at least one of those 3 atm as it is.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on February 09, 2016, 01:37:22 pm
^ This was never intended to compete with big consoles. It's a niche thing, like the Neo Geo X was. That is, unless Sega decides to take it full-blown, which I haven't read or heard.

And really guys? This is a retro-oriented forum. You guys really can't see how this would sell to the modern retro-gamer?
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: kashell on February 09, 2016, 01:47:34 pm
I hate the Dreamcast. Its 2nd only to the N64 as the worst full blown console ever made. Thats not my issue though. There is already a Nintendo system, a Sony system, and a Microshaft system. The list of games coming out is not only impressive but extensive. What on earth makes us need another console company ? I can not see a single thing that they can bring to the table that will sway anyone from the big 3 (4 if you count the PC) right now. Hell, damn near every Sega title is being whored out to at least one of those 3 atm as it is.

You know what I hate? People who don't take down their Christmas decorations after Christmas is long gone. (http://images.zaazu.com/img/male31-male-smiley-whistle-smiley-emoticon-000073-facebook.gif)
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: ignition365 on February 09, 2016, 01:57:21 pm
I hate the Dreamcast. Its 2nd only to the N64 as the worst full blown console ever made. Thats not my issue though. There is already a Nintendo system, a Sony system, and a Microshaft system. The list of games coming out is not only impressive but extensive. What on earth makes us need another console company ? I can not see a single thing that they can bring to the table that will sway anyone from the big 3 (4 if you count the PC) right now. Hell, damn near every Sega title is being whored out to at least one of those 3 atm as it is.
When the original Neo Geo was released, was it released to be a competitive home console, or was it released to be a way to allow people to play arcade games at home?  My understanding was that it was the latter.

Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on February 09, 2016, 02:05:03 pm
^ I think you meant to quote me, since you're mentioning the Neo Geo. But yeah, the Neo Geo was definetly a niche thing. They were going after people with premium money, and the company pretty much said as much when they released it (going by the book I read on the history of gaming, "High Score: The Illustrated History of Electronic Gaming"). It was $600 at release, back in the early 90s. That's like $1000 today. When other consoles were $100-$200.

But even then, I named the "Neo Geo X", which is an aftermarket release of the console released just a few years back to the retro-gaming crowd; similar to what might be happening with this Dreamcast 2.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: ignition365 on February 09, 2016, 02:14:25 pm
^ I think you meant to quote me, since you're mentioning the Neo Geo. But yeah, the Neo Geo was definetly a niche thing. They were going after people with premium money, and the company pretty much said as much when they released it (going by the book I read on the history of gaming, "High Score: The Illustrated History of Electronic Gaming"). It was $600 at release, back in the early 90s. That's like $1000 today. When other consoles were $100-$200.

But even then, I named the "Neo Geo X", which is an aftermarket release of the console released just a few years back to the retro-gaming crowd; similar to what might be happening with this Dreamcast 2.
No, I meant to quote who I quoted.  Neo Geo X is a different thing.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on February 09, 2016, 02:46:52 pm
...but he didn't mention Neo Geo, I did.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: ignition365 on February 09, 2016, 03:03:05 pm
...but he didn't mention Neo Geo, I did.
You mentioned Neo Geo X.

Earlier I made the speculation that this Dreamcast 2 might be a situation where SEGA would release their arcade boards as Neo Geo did back in the day.  My statement is not relevant to your Neo Geo X statement, whereas his question was how can SEGA compete in a market with 3 big systems already.  My speculation is that it wouldn't serve to compete.  It's a product for a niche market.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: soera on February 09, 2016, 03:08:14 pm
The NeoGeo X is a perfect example of why this DC2 should never come into existence.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: abe on February 09, 2016, 03:52:07 pm
I hate the Dreamcast. Its 2nd only to the N64 as the worst full blown console ever made. Thats not my issue though. There is already a Nintendo system, a Sony system, and a Microshaft system. The list of games coming out is not only impressive but extensive. What on earth makes us need another console company ? I can not see a single thing that they can bring to the table that will sway anyone from the big 3 (4 if you count the PC) right now. Hell, damn near every Sega title is being whored out to at least one of those 3 atm as it is.

You know what I hate? People who don't take down their Christmas decorations after Christmas is long gone. (http://images.zaazu.com/img/male31-male-smiley-whistle-smiley-emoticon-000073-facebook.gif)

Shade thrown :o
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: dashv on February 09, 2016, 03:59:45 pm
I hate the Dreamcast. Its 2nd only to the N64 as the worst full blown console ever made. Thats not my issue though. There is already a Nintendo system, a Sony system, and a Microshaft system. The list of games coming out is not only impressive but extensive. What on earth makes us need another console company ? I can not see a single thing that they can bring to the table that will sway anyone from the big 3 (4 if you count the PC) right now. Hell, damn near every Sega title is being whored out to at least one of those 3 atm as it is.

You know what I hate? People who don't take down their Christmas decorations after Christmas is long gone. (http://images.zaazu.com/img/male31-male-smiley-whistle-smiley-emoticon-000073-facebook.gif)

Shade thrown :o

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/qlwnHTKCPeak0/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on March 31, 2016, 12:39:59 pm
Update on the hardware from the Project Dream Team sent to my email today:

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Mar 31, 2016 — Hi everyone,

We wish to inform you all that our prototype is moving along smoothly.

We have been working with many 3rd party hardware manufacturers and have been discussing both new and future technology.

We've seen some pretty cool stuff and we have now narrowed down our hardware to a few fantastic options.

As for the OS, we've got something awesome in the pipeline for that and are soon going to begin testing on our first alpha model!

Due to non-disclosure agreements with various third-parties, we cannot release any technical information so we ask you to stick around and look forward to what we have to show when its ready.

Kind regards,

Project Dream
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: rayne315 on March 31, 2016, 02:55:43 pm
Update on the hardware from the Project Dream Team sent to my email today:

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Mar 31, 2016 — Hi everyone,

We wish to inform you all that our prototype is moving along smoothly.

We have been working with many 3rd party hardware manufacturers and have been discussing both new and future technology.

We've seen some pretty cool stuff and we have now narrowed down our hardware to a few fantastic options.

As for the OS, we've got something awesome in the pipeline for that and are soon going to begin testing on our first alpha model!

Due to non-disclosure agreements with various third-parties, we cannot release any technical information so we ask you to stick around and look forward to what we have to show when its ready.

Kind regards,

Project Dream

you should ask them if when/if this thing releases you can have one of the prototypes
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: ignition365 on April 01, 2016, 08:31:53 am
Well, now that Sega has finalized its aquisition of Atlus, if Sega were to return to console making and stop publishing on other platforms, they would at least have the Atlus library of IPs on top of their small library.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on June 02, 2016, 05:00:25 pm
Well, you were all right. The dream is officially dead:

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The project has been taken offline. This is due to a schism within the team caused by inefficient and amateurish conduct resulting in members being removed and others leaving the team. In light of such unprofessional behavior and an embarrassing lack of progress, seasoned members of the Gaming industry have chosen to distance themselves from the project. I too am stepping away from Project Dream. Please note the Twitter account @Project_DreamDC is no longer associated with this group.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: ignition365 on June 02, 2016, 05:31:08 pm
Well, you were all right. The dream is officially dead:

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The project has been taken offline. This is due to a schism within the team caused by inefficient and amateurish conduct resulting in members being removed and others leaving the team. In light of such unprofessional behavior and an embarrassing lack of progress, seasoned members of the Gaming industry have chosen to distance themselves from the project. I too am stepping away from Project Dream. Please note the Twitter account @Project_DreamDC is no longer associated with this group.
Source?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1227087
http://www.thedreamcastjunkyard.co.uk/2016/06/dreamcast-2-project-shuts-down.html?m=1
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on June 02, 2016, 07:51:52 pm
Well, you were all right. The dream is officially dead:

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The project has been taken offline. This is due to a schism within the team caused by inefficient and amateurish conduct resulting in members being removed and others leaving the team. In light of such unprofessional behavior and an embarrassing lack of progress, seasoned members of the Gaming industry have chosen to distance themselves from the project. I too am stepping away from Project Dream. Please note the Twitter account @Project_DreamDC is no longer associated with this group.
Source?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1227087
http://www.thedreamcastjunkyard.co.uk/2016/06/dreamcast-2-project-shuts-down.html?m=1

Source is straight from the horse's mouth. I took the quote from their official Facebook group description that changed to this today, the same group that kicked EVERYONE out of the group.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: kashell on June 03, 2016, 08:06:19 am
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6179/6253294221_204f337d9b.jpg)
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: turom on June 03, 2016, 09:56:37 am
Good. So now we're done 'till the next new SEGA hardware revival rumor nonsense.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: redblaze57 on June 03, 2016, 10:06:30 am
Good. So now we're done 'till the next new SEGA hardware revival rumor nonsense.
So we're good till tomorrow
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on June 03, 2016, 10:59:55 am
If "seasoned members of the gaming industry" (as they put it) are distancing themselves, that means something was actually happening at one point, though. So this REALLY sucks. This was probably the best shot we were ever going to have at a new Sega system.
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: burningdoom on June 03, 2016, 11:09:31 am
Well, this certainly puts a twist in the story. I just got this in my email:

(http://i67.tinypic.com/34rtzch.jpg)
Title: Re: New Dreamcast...Really?!
Post by: gf78 on June 03, 2016, 03:29:05 pm
This thing was never going to fly.  Sega is a shell of the company it once was.  There core business now is licensing out their IPs for Sammy-made Pachinko machines and whoring Sonic out in bizarre and crappy games that nobody wants. 

In light of how many companies are trying and failing in the hardware market (Ouya, Steam Machine, Chameleon, etc.) there is no way Sega was going to officially do this.

People cling to Sega and the Dreamcast like Elvis fans.  The Dreamcast and Sega as we knew them are gone and buried.