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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: mrfoxhound on April 28, 2016, 02:30:09 pm
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I recently got a game with two minor scratches but enough to bother me. Especially since it's on a game that is known to be a bit buggy. Is there any safe way to resurface a Bluray disc? No ridiculous toothpaste or banana tricks, please.
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yeah. whenever I have a disc that's too scratched up I go to my local used gaming store and ask if they can buff my discs. it may cost wherever you are but I get free disc buffing because I am a regular at my store. alternatively if their are any remaining video rental stores around you; they have disc buffers and may buff your disc for you.
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Will resurfacing cause any problems to the disc in the future?
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Will resurfacing cause any problems to the disc in the future?
Resurfacing removes a thin layer of disc coating. Basically it doesn't remove scratches so much as grind the outer layer down so the scratches are no longer there. Blu-Ray discs have a clear-coat applied after the data is recorded. Unless it's a severe scratch, I wouldn't mess with it.
Getting a disc resurfaced once shouldn't be a problem. It's when it is done more than once that you could possibly damage the data area. I don't know what pressure is applied to the disc in the resurfacing machine. Again, I avoid any excess flexing of discs as I don't want to allow any contamination to the sensitive data inside.
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Will resurfacing cause any problems to the disc in the future?
nope. as gf stated it removes a small layer so don't buff them often. realistically the only time they should ever be buffed is when they stop working properly.
I'm in the research mood and so I looked up how many times a disc can be resurfaced and apparently the answer is ~50 time before the data layer is reached. (all dependent on how deep the scratches are each buff) although not all systems can effectively hold a disc while spinning when it has less of a surface area to grab (disc hole) great example being ps2 which I Guestimate to be around 15 buffs before it can no longer spin the disc.
I actually have an example I was given once. it is ~half the thickness of a normal disc and audibly spun out of the clips when played but when I taped the edges to increase the thickness it worked like a charm
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The seller said he played the entire game and it was fine, even gave me a partial refund. I'll post a photo of the scratch soon. He said it may have gotten scratched from loading? Just want to make sure it won't cause problems years from now.
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The seller said he played the entire game and it was fine, even gave me a partial refund. I'll post a photo of the scratch soon. He said it may have gotten scratched from loading? Just want to make sure it won't cause problems years from now.
It takes a lot to scratch a PS3 disc. Where wiping a cd or DVD with a cloth will scratch them, it has no affect on a Blu-Ray.
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The seller said he played the entire game and it was fine, even gave me a partial refund. I'll post a photo of the scratch soon. He said it may have gotten scratched from loading? Just want to make sure it won't cause problems years from now.
It takes a lot to scratch a PS3 disc. Where wiping a cd or DVD with a cloth will scratch them, it has no affect on a Blu-Ray.
Blu-ray actually has an additional layer on bottom that is harder just to make it more scratch resistant and likely he is right that it will play through unless the "scratches" are really gouges almost through to the data layer
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Thanks for the info. I figured scratches might deepen or get bigger over time. Kinda like the disc rot boogeyman collectors fear.
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Double post - here's a photo for you to decide: http://i.imgur.com/mKFlP3Ih.jpg
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now that is a scratch. yeah I would want that gone too.
obviously you made sure it works already.
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now that is a scratch. yeah I would want that gone too.
I was hoping you guys would say it isn't a big deal, lol. Comfort me. I guess I'll have to look for a video store that resurfaces. That's like finding a dinosaur fossil these days.
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now that is a scratch. yeah I would want that gone too.
I was hoping you guys would say it isn't a big deal, lol. Comfort me. I guess I'll have to look for a video store that resurfaces. That's like finding a dinosaur fossil these days.
If the disc works don't worry about it. im just saying out of personal taste (I like either no scratches on a disc or a bunch of scratches, not just a single/few scratches). so long as you don't stress the disc the scratch will not expand.
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now that is a scratch. yeah I would want that gone too.
I was hoping you guys would say it isn't a big deal, lol. Comfort me. I guess I'll have to look for a video store that resurfaces. That's like finding a dinosaur fossil these days.
If the disc works don't worry about it. im just saying out of personal taste. so long as you don't stress the disc the scratch will not expand.
Even though it works, it still bothers me. I'm going to go on a video store hunt probably tomorrow to see if someone can resurface it.
Update: After doing some research, I found that resurfacing blurays aren't the best idea. I decided to drop extra cash for a mint disc. The shit I do to ease my ridiculous collector OCD.
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now that is a scratch. yeah I would want that gone too.
I was hoping you guys would say it isn't a big deal, lol. Comfort me. I guess I'll have to look for a video store that resurfaces. That's like finding a dinosaur fossil these days.
If the disc works don't worry about it. im just saying out of personal taste. so long as you don't stress the disc the scratch will not expand.
Even though it works, it still bothers me. I'm going to go on a video store hunt probably tomorrow to see if someone can resurface it.
Update: After doing some research, I found that resurfacing blurays aren't the best idea. I decided to drop extra cash for a mint disc. The shit I do to ease my ridiculous collector OCD.
Ah. Don't sweat it. I was just as ocd before I had kids. You kinda learn then that keeping something mint isn't so important when you have two little engines of destruction who also double as puke & shit machines in the middle of the night when you are trying to get some shuteye before you have to get up at the but rack of dawn, to go to work and spend the money you used to have for games on kids clothes, school supplies and other stuff the kids need.
Btw...that is a particularly ugly scratch. It would bug me too. It wasn't normal use that did that.
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now that is a scratch. yeah I would want that gone too.
I was hoping you guys would say it isn't a big deal, lol. Comfort me. I guess I'll have to look for a video store that resurfaces. That's like finding a dinosaur fossil these days.
If the disc works don't worry about it. im just saying out of personal taste. so long as you don't stress the disc the scratch will not expand.
Even though it works, it still bothers me. I'm going to go on a video store hunt probably tomorrow to see if someone can resurface it.
Update: After doing some research, I found that resurfacing blurays aren't the best idea. I decided to drop extra cash for a mint disc. The shit I do to ease my ridiculous collector OCD.
oh geez... I looked it up too and I can honestly say I never expected the data layer to be close to the bottom. I had just assumed it was like every other disc with it being directly under the label.
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Yeah, well at least this thread could give someone using Google to find their answer some useful information.
Resurfacing Blu-Ray bad
Video stores extinct
Buy smart or be dumb like me and buy twice
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The current "standard" Blu-Ray disc is double-layered, meaning that the laser can refocus and read past one layer to a second. Currently, Blu-Ray discs have up to 4 layers and a max storage of 100GB. Pioneer has made a 16-layer Blu-Ray disc that can hold a whopping 400GB. But the more layers you add, the closer they get to the outer surface of the disc. The first non-retail Blu-Ray discs were housed in a cartridge because there was no durable, protective layer to protect them and the data was very easily destroyed. So the hard coating is good for resisting scratches, but not a good candidate for resurfacing because the data is pretty close to the surface.
Sorry for rambling, just wanted to throw it out there. Knowledge is power after all. ;)
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Double post - here's a photo for you to decide: http://i.imgur.com/mKFlP3Ih.jpg
You guys are turning a misquito into an elephant omg. ???
It's one scratch you can't be serious. Sure It's not perfect and an above average scratch. If there were many than sure maybe but It's only one.
It must be pretty though for some people out here to collect for ps1 :p Basicly means that you cannot play your games at all.
One scratch should not be a problem at all. Even allot of minor scratches should not stop a game from working properly. Also were talking about ps3 not ps1. A ps3 disc can take way more abuse than ps1 discs before being not functional anymore.
Also I would not recommend resurfacing a disc if the game still works. Only if it is truly necesarry you should resurface a disc. Resurfacing a disc will make the disc less functional and harder to read for the console especially older consoles wich will even make loud noises after a resurfaced disc. Aside from that your disc will be tinner so your also destroying it. Only in bad cases will it improve the games otherwise your just destroying your disc for no reason.
I would rather have a functional disc full of scratches than a scratchless resurfaced disc.
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Double post - here's a photo for you to decide: http://i.imgur.com/mKFlP3Ih.jpg
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. ???
It's one scratch you can't be serious. Sure It's not perfect and an above average scratch. If there were many than sure maybe but It's only one.
It must be pretty though for some people out here to collect for ps1 :p Basicly means that you cannot play your games at all.
One scratch should not be a problem at all. Even allot of minor scratches should not stop a game from working properly. Also were talking about ps3 not ps1. A ps3 disc can take way more abuse than ps1 discs before being not functional anymore.
Also I would not recommend resurfacing a disc if the game still works. Only if it is truly necesarry you should resurface a disc. Resurfacing a disc will make the disc less functional and harder to read for the console especially older consoles wich will even make loud noises after a resurfaced disc. Aside from that your disc will be tinner so your also destroying it. Only in bad cases will it improve the games otherwise your just destroying your disc for no reason.
I would rather have a functional disc full of scratches than a scratchless resurfaced disc.
There ya go.
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PS3 (and other Blu-Ray) discs are VERY tricky once scratched. They do have an extra protective coating, but that's because data on Blu-Ray discs is near the surface, rather than near the label like on CDs and DVDs. Once it's scratched, it has most likely already affected data and can't be recovered. Surfacing Blu-Ray discs is extremely tricky because of this too, since the surfacing will most likely take away the data itself.
So yeah, I think you did the right thing by buying another copy. At least now you have a working game!
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I can't imagine how ridiculous or desirable it'll be searching for mint PS3/PS4 discs in the future if Blu-Ray's can't be fixed like a regular DVD.
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I can't imagine how ridiculous or desirable it'll be searching for mint PS3/PS4 discs in the future if Blu-Ray's can't be fixed like a regular DVD.
You do realise that resurfacing a disc lowers the value of the game right?
A bad condition game will have higher value ofcourse but if you have an excellent or nm condition disc and you resurface it the value will go down.
Allot of collectors do not want a resurfaced disc, I for example can see if a disc has been resurfaced, It's never as perfect as a mint disc you will see the results on the whole disc. It's pretty easy to see the difference is pretty notable.
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I can't imagine how ridiculous or desirable it'll be searching for mint PS3/PS4 discs in the future if Blu-Ray's can't be fixed like a regular DVD.
You do realise that resurfacing a disc lowers the value of the game right?
A bad condition game will have higher value ofcourse but if you have an excellent or nm condition disc and you resurface it the value will go down.
Allot of collectors do not want a resurfaced disc, I for example can see if a disc has been resurfaced, It's never as perfect as a mint disc you will see the results on the whole disc. It's pretty easy to see the difference is pretty notable.
Only if the machine is of poor quality. I used to work in a video games store with a $9000 machine, and the result was exactly the same as if the disc was new. The buffering was really light and you couldn't notice that it was thinner except with highly specialized tools or if it had to be buffed heavily, which is rare.
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I can't imagine how ridiculous or desirable it'll be searching for mint PS3/PS4 discs in the future if Blu-Ray's can't be fixed like a regular DVD.
You do realise that resurfacing a disc lowers the value of the game right?
A bad condition game will have higher value ofcourse but if you have an excellent or nm condition disc and you resurface it the value will go down.
Allot of collectors do not want a resurfaced disc, I for example can see if a disc has been resurfaced, It's never as perfect as a mint disc you will see the results on the whole disc. It's pretty easy to see the difference is pretty notable.
Most people probably wouldn't even be able to tell if a game was resurfaced. Probably never even crosses their mind. At least it doesn't for me. I'm sure people will just check for scuffs and scratches and then add it to the collection if it looks mint. At least the casual collectors.
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I can't imagine how ridiculous or desirable it'll be searching for mint PS3/PS4 discs in the future if Blu-Ray's can't be fixed like a regular DVD.
You do realise that resurfacing a disc lowers the value of the game right?
A bad condition game will have higher value ofcourse but if you have an excellent or nm condition disc and you resurface it the value will go down.
Allot of collectors do not want a resurfaced disc, I for example can see if a disc has been resurfaced, It's never as perfect as a mint disc you will see the results on the whole disc. It's pretty easy to see the difference is pretty notable.
Most people probably wouldn't even be able to tell if a game was resurfaced. Probably never even crosses their mind. At least it doesn't for me. I'm sure people will just check for scuffs and scratches and then add it to the collection if it looks mint. At least the casual collectors.
That's very true but condition is everything for me and I can see when a disc is resurfaced. The difference between a mint disc and a resurfaced disc is definitly there even if done excellent especially for more expensive games it will hurt the value. You will see marks and hardcore collectors do complain when they paid for a mint disc game wich has been resurfaced for the more expensive games.
I can't imagine how ridiculous or desirable it'll be searching for mint PS3/PS4 discs in the future if Blu-Ray's can't be fixed like a regular DVD.
You do realise that resurfacing a disc lowers the value of the game right?
A bad condition game will have higher value ofcourse but if you have an excellent or nm condition disc and you resurface it the value will go down.
Allot of collectors do not want a resurfaced disc, I for example can see if a disc has been resurfaced, It's never as perfect as a mint disc you will see the results on the whole disc. It's pretty easy to see the difference is pretty notable.
Only if the machine is of poor quality. I used to work in a video games store with a $9000 machine, and the result was exactly the same as if the disc was new. The buffering was really light and you couldn't notice that it was thinner except with highly specialized tools or if it had to be buffed heavily, which is rare.
That's not true even if done excellent with the best machines you will see marks I know. I have seen differences in quality and better machines make it less noticable but It's still there. If you have a disc with allot of deeper scratches than even the best machine cannot make it even look slightly mint. It's not as smooth after resurfacing even if done near perfect a hardcore collector will notice this.
Besides people say that they don't see a difference while it's right in front of them It's pretty noticable. Most people aren't that picky.
Aside from that, for older consoles the discs are harder to read. In allot cases the console will make strange noises since it is working really hard to read the disc. You will destroy the laser of the console allot faster. Furthermore you will probably never have the smooth silence from before the resurface. Even scratched functional discs do not do this to a console with the **** noises.
Resurfacing is definitly not recommended for older consoles before wii era.
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Get used to people listing discs as mint or like-new after resurfacing.
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Get used to people listing discs as mint or like-new after resurfacing.
Ik it happens already, for expensive games most people do note that the game has been resurfaced though. (guess more people notice resurfacing and probably complained about it)
Still though I don't mind since I get my games from lots for usually bargain prices or nothing at all. Most people don't resurface their games when selling in lots for less money than lose. I like having mint items but I accept excellent upwards condition discs with very few minor scratches. going mint is definitly not impossible but way to expensive and time consuming. I've heard stories of people rebuying one expensive game 5 times before getting it mint while losing money in the process. It's a waste. For current gen like ps3 etc mint is pretty easy to find since ps3 games usually do not have any scratches at all even when used allot.
Especially for older games such as ps1 keeping it mint while playing the game is a task on It's own. Excellent NM condition can be maintained when used but mint is not possbible for some older systems. It will get scratched at some point.
I would be pissed though if I paid top dollar for 1 game wich was supposedly mint.
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One of the larger resellers in St. Louis called V-Stock resurfaces discs. When they are done, you absolutely cannot tell. It looks brand-new. Like Karryan said, high priced machines not only resurface but buff the disc to a perfect shine. No telltale signs whatsoever.
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lets see. the gaming stores around me that resurface discs based on scratches....
Disc Replay (Mega Replay)
Video games ECT.
Tod's disc shop.
Family video (like blockbuster but they also sell older ware)
Uptown pawn (the only pawnshop in the area that seems to care about their wares)
Gamestop (im actually unsure about this one, I know some gamestops do but not all do it)
I can safely say that everyone on this site has at one point in their life purchased a new Disc based game. sure their are like $10 disc resurfacers you can buy that do more harm that good (scratch doctor), disc resurfacers where you have to physically hold the disc that have the potential to do harm (based on how you hold the disc), but for the most part it is impossible to tell the difference from a good commercial disc resurfaced game and a brand new game.
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lets see. the gaming stores around me that resurface discs based on scratches....
Disc Replay (Mega Replay)
Video games ECT.
Tod's disc shop.
Family video (like blockbuster but they also sell older ware)
Uptown pawn (the only pawnshop in the area that seems to care about their wares)
Gamestop (im actually unsure about this one, I know some gamestops do but not all do it)
I can safely say that everyone on this site has at one point in their life purchased a new Disc based game. sure their are like $10 disc resurfacers you can buy that do more harm that good (scratch doctor), disc resurfacers where you have to physically hold the disc that have the potential to do harm (based on how you hold the disc), but for the most part it is impossible to tell the difference from a good commercial disc resurfaced game and a brand new game.
Don't you think I've ever proffesionally resurfaced a disc?
It was a big ***** machine pretty much the same size as a proffesional office printer I'm pretty sure it ain't cheap. Multiple different stores I've done this.
The difference is clearly there, I will never resurface a disc ever again unless it isn't functional.
To top it off For older games the console might have a harder time reading it and you will hear loud or semi loud noises all the time. Seriously even without looking at a disc one can tell if it has been resurfaced for older consoles.
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Don't you think I've ever proffesionally resurfaced a disc?
It was a big ***** machine pretty much the same size as a proffesional office printer I'm pretty sure it ain't cheap. Multiple different stores I've done this.
The difference is clearly there, I will never resurface a disc ever again unless it isn't functional.
To top it off For older games the console might have a harder time reading it and you will hear loud or semi loud noises all the time. Seriously even without looking at a disc one can tell if it has been resurfaced for older consoles.
Look, I don't know what kind of machine it was or it's size or anything about it that you are referring to. All I can tell you is that V-stock has a machine that you put in a scratched disc and after several minutes when they take it out, you can't find any sign of buffing. It looks brand new, no matter how bright the light you shine on it or how you turn it in the light. I've seen this done with the black and blue PS1 and PS2 discs as well and they look flawless afterward. No swirly marks. No residue around the center ring. No scratches. No dullness. It looks brand. Frickin. New.
I've also seen other stores with cheaper machines polish a disc and it have the "swish" swirls.
Maybe accept the fact that you don't know everything and take it from other collector's that have used and or received discs professionally "cleaned" with these machines that there is no way in hell you can tell with the naked eye that the disc has been resurfaced or not.
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I understand that the data on one kind of disc/game may cause the system to behave differently (louder running), from a different one (i.e. blue ps2 to clear ps2, or shadow of the colossus compared to madden 03) but I have never heard of a noticeable difference between one system and the same game before and after buff. I may just have to empirically test this to make sure that I am not mistaken one this front.
I understand why we are all arguing about this. we have all had different experiences with this sort of thing that tell us one thing or the other that people on the other side of the argument have not had. I just have a very good question for you. do you own any discs (from the same system, preferably the exact same game) that you can upload pics of and try and point out any noticeable differences from a buffed disc to a factory one? this is just so we can all get on the same page and compare the results. this goes for both SwordDude and GF78
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I understand that the data on one kind of disc/game may cause the system to behave differently (louder running), from a different one (i.e. blue ps2 to clear ps2, or shadow of the colossus compared to madden 03) but I have never heard of a noticeable difference between one system and the same game before and after buff. I may just have to empirically test this to make sure that I am not mistaken one this front.
I understand why we are all arguing about this. we have all had different experiences with this sort of thing that tell us one thing or the other that people on the other side of the argument have not had. I just have a very good question for you. do you own any discs (from the same system, preferably the exact same game) that you can upload pics of and try and point out any noticeable differences from a buffed disc to a factory one? this is just so we can all get on the same page and compare the results. this goes for both SwordDude and GF78
Unfortunately not anymore. As you might know I'm not a big fan of resurfacing, I would rather have a scratched disc.
They were ps1, gamecube and ps2 titles wich I have sold since I hated the noise my consoles made when playing these games. I haven't had this problem before. Even games with allot of scratches didn't do this to the console. Games work perfectly fine except for the **** noises the console makes when playing them. There are differences in quality. The better quality resurfaces will make less noise but never as silent as the old days before the resurface (for retro anyways). Ofcourse I didn't talk about the visible differences wich I mentioned before.
If GF78 can show an example I'm pretty curious, not that it would chance my mind to ever resurface again if a disc is still functional.