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VGCollect Site Stuff => Video Game Database Discussion => Topic started by: desocietas on June 28, 2016, 09:38:03 pm
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I just got my copy of Ori and the Blind Forest: Definitive Edition limited edition and was dismayed to find that it's not a DRM-free copy.
It does look like it comes with a disc, but the code is on the disc itself, apparently, according to the label on the back of the box:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61NHKWZujVL._SL1600_.jpg)
I know physical copies of PC games that are DRM-free go into the PC category. However, since this requires Steam and is basically a Steam code with a useless disc after redemption, my gut says this item belongs in the Steam category.
There are a few other items out there that were physical editions that included an emailed code or voucher for the Steam game, and those were placed into the Steam category. For example, OXENFREE (http://vgcollect.com/item/101514)
Anyway, just thought I'd check in with the forum about it. It's not very clearly labeled in our Steam/digital games guide (http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,5876.0.html) as it doesn't say which category to put the item in.
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I'd count it as a physical item. Yes it does use Steam to play and download, but it's still a physical item. The way I see it, the Steam library on this site is digital only. I hate when companies do this sort of thing, it makes it tough to sort and categorize. I'd go with whatever you think is the right solution. hopefully others will chime in here soon too.
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It is a physical item. It does not matter that the game itself requires Steam activation or some other 3rd party service to activate or install. This is no different than say... Half Life 2.
How you want to add it in your collection is one thing, that is your choice. The database should have the item in the physical category and (likely) in the Steam category, if you can get it on Steam without buying the physical item.
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So PC [NA] category for both this and Oxenfree, you think?
They basically are just physical goodies that can be purchased that include a digital-only Steam game. I guess PC [NA] doesn't necessarily mean anything that doesn't have DRM. More of a catch-all for anything that didn't need to be specified as client-specific.
The standalone games are indeed available on Steam without the goodies.
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I can't say for Oxenfree. The description on that entry seems to indicate that there is no game in it, just a code?
Your game actually came with a disc.
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I can't say for Oxenfree. The description on that entry seems to indicate that there is no game in it, just a code?
Your game actually came with a disc.
Yeah, Oxenfree was just an emailed code. Ori does indeed have a disc, but the disc might not do anything? I haven't found any information confirming my thoughts about the disc being pointless, so I think I'll open it tonight to figure it out.
If it came with disc, I'll put it under PC [NA].
If it's basically a code, and the disc does nothing, should it go under Steam? That's where Oxenfree currently is, and that makes the most sense to me since the game itself is what determines the category.
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This item is listed under PS4 games : http://vgcollect.com/item/73179
Its just a box with a code in it.
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This item is listed under PS4 games : http://vgcollect.com/item/73179
Its just a box with a code in it.
Hm, that's so conflicting for me. I feel like that's PSN but it's different from the PSN version because it has a physical box at least...
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I'm confused. I made a few entries of the box version with code:
http://vgcollect.com/item/77865
http://vgcollect.com/item/82905
http://vgcollect.com/item/96930
http://vgcollect.com/item/82906
http://vgcollect.com/item/81096
I decided to put them in a digital category, but now I'm not sure about it. There is no disc or card, but they are all boxed. Shoud I change it to the physical categories? What do you think?
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The question is whether box+code (not box+likely useless disc) is a to be added as a game or "swag."
There is no doubt that the digital game belongs in the appropriate digital category.
But a physical thing should definately not exist in a digital category... since (so far) you can't buy and download a physical thing.
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Crap, that's not good news. Is there any data of the game on the disc at all?
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It takes a keen Eye but you can actually physically see if their is any data on the disc by looking for the telltale line between the pitted foil (data) and the non-pitted foil. all data starts at the center of the disc and travels outwards. with most disc media only the last 1-5 millimeters do not have data printed onto it.
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Ok, so since I got my LE today, it looks like the data is on the disc, but the steam drm is present on it, since the game is forced to be verified and downloaded to your hard drive via Steam when you try to install it.
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Ok, so since I got my LE today, it looks like the data is on the disc, but the steam drm is present on it, since the game is forced to be verified and downloaded to your hard drive via Steam when you try to install it.
Ah, thanks for confirming, maximo310. That sucks. I don't know why companies bother to make a retail disc copy if they're going to force you to download and play the game through Steam. Unfortunately, it wasn't clearly listed on the Amazon listing, so there are already some negative reviews due to this lack of information.
Well, so that brings us back to the matter at hand.
How do we handle these two cases:
a) Physical box, physical discs but requires Steam to verify/play
b) Physical box, no disc, voucher/code for Steam to download/play
I don't think either should belong in swag/collectibles as they do include the game as part of the package. I feel like B should belong in the Steam category, because the game itself is still just a Steam game, no matter the fact that it comes with other physical goodies. I'm torn on A, though...
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Ok, so since I got my LE today, it looks like the data is on the disc, but the steam drm is present on it, since the game is forced to be verified and downloaded to your hard drive via Steam when you try to install it.
Ah, thanks for confirming, maximo310. That sucks. I don't know why companies bother to make a retail disc copy if they're going to force you to download and play the game through Steam. Unfortunately, it wasn't clearly listed on the Amazon listing, so there are already some negative reviews due to this lack of information.
Well, so that brings us back to the matter at hand.
How do we handle these two cases:
a) Physical box, physical discs but requires Steam to verify/play
b) Physical box, no disc, voucher/code for Steam to download/play
I don't think either should belong in swag/collectibles as they do include the game as part of the package. I feel like B should belong in the Steam category, because the game itself is still just a Steam game, no matter the fact that it comes with other physical goodies. I'm torn on A, though...
For similar case A where Steam authenication is required to verify/play the game w/ the physical disc ( Fallout 4 US as an example), its listed under PC (NA) for the retail disc copy, while a copy of the game bought on Steam is listed under Steam(NA).
After I installed Ori via Steam, it still looks like the files are on the disc, with Steamworks and the file formats of the data keeping you from playing the game directly off the disc.
Hopefully, people will find a way to remove the DRM at some point in the future, since most customers didn't know about this beforehand before getting the game.
Edit: Looks like there's only 6GB on the disc, while the game size of the Definitive Edition via Steam is 10.5 GB and the reg edition is 7.5 GB. If only there was a PC Blu-Ray format.
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http://vgcollect.com/item/97203 - my request to change to "Steam Category" on Rabi-Rabi got declined - thought we put it in steam category if there's no disc but steam code only? ???
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If it has a physical component, it should not be in a digital category. I did not reject (or see) that edit, but I would have rejected it as well.
I think from Deso's post, situation a and b (for PC example) should go into PC [NA].
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If it has a physical component, it should not be in a digital category. I did not reject (or see) that edit, but I would have rejected it as well.
I think from Deso's post, situation a and b (for PC example) should go into PC [NA].
To be consistent, would this apply to digital console games with physical components? Oxenfree's CE, for example, had an option for a XB1 key to be emailed instead of a Steam key. I believe the new Hitman CE also had a digital game key as well.
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If it has a physical component, it should not be in a digital category. I did not reject (or see) that edit, but I would have rejected it as well.
I think from Deso's post, situation a and b (for PC example) should go into PC [NA].
To be consistent, would this apply to digital console games with physical components? Oxenfree's CE, for example, had an option for a XB1 key to be emailed instead of a Steam key. I believe the new Hitman CE also had a digital game key as well.
Oh the key is not in the contents at all? I thought you mean it was printed on a card or something which happens with a lot of games. If the item in question has no game or key inside it at all, it really isn't a game then.
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It varies depending on the item we're talking about. Ori had a disc and activation code or whatever for Steam. But Oxenfree did not include a physical game component, but the code was emailed in addition to the physical components being sent: http://store.iam8bit.com/products/oxenfree-collector-s-edition/
I don't know if I agree that, if there was no voucher or disc for the game, that it's not a game at all. The item is advertised with the game (emailed) and isn't really just an add-on in the same way that Lara Croft's Gold Edition is: https://www.amazon.com/Lara-Croft-Temple-Osiris-Included-Pc/dp/B00O1Z3FMK
I can understand feeling like no physical components should be in the Steam category (or other digital game platform), but I'm not sure if users want to have the items split into two parts with the individual digital game listing and another listing under swag for everything else in the box.
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OK for Oxenfree, there should be a listing for the game in Steam category. Then the other portion goes into swag category.
Remember, this isn't about what you feel you purchased, but what the item actually is. I know you bought this because you wanted to buy a game and get this extra stuff. But that was not how the item was delivered. And creating separate entries for these things are not alien. It is no different than the reason why we have separate entries for bundle exclusive carts outside of the bundle entry.