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VGCollect Site Stuff => Video Game Database Discussion => Topic started by: jdh2099 on August 16, 2016, 12:25:31 pm
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http://vgcollect.com/item/80895
is named "Falcon - Disney Infinity 2.0 Figure"
but
http://vgcollect.com/item/71555
is named "Disney Infinity 2.0: Marvel Super Heroes - Venom"
It seems to me that the Venom one should be called "Venom - Disney Infinity 2.0 Figure" to be consistent with the other figures in the database. I submitted the change but it was rejected. Can anyone tell me why the Venom one would be named different?
Thanks
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http://vgcollect.com/item/80895
is named "Falcon - Disney Infinity 2.0 Figure"
but
http://vgcollect.com/item/71555
is named "Disney Infinity 2.0: Marvel Super Heroes - Venom"
It seems to me that the Venom one should be called "Venom - Disney Infinity 2.0 Figure" to be consistent with the other figures in the database. I submitted the change but it was rejected. Can anyone tell me why the Venom one would be named different?
Thanks
Change was made about a month ago. Best guess is if you read the box text from top to bottom it almost resembles the wording of the name change. This looks like another "how it appears on the box" vs. "how it should be listed" type of situation. :P I agree with you though, IMO it should be (Character Name) - Disney Infinity 2.0 Figure to keep it in line with the rest of the entries.
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The Lego Dimensions stuff has the same problem, but I haven't brought it up because I only wanted to open one can of worms at a time. :P
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The Lego Dimensions stuff has the same problem, but I haven't brought it up because I only wanted to open one can of worms at a time. :P
Erm...what the hell. ??? Those name edits occurred around the same time as the Venom one.
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http://vgcollect.com/item/71555
is named "Disney Infinity 2.0: Marvel Super Heroes - Venom"
Personally I prefer this naming convention over the other one just because there are no categories/subcategories specifically for the interactive figures area. this is both more descriptive and will section off the entire interactive figures categories for quicker searching.
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Personally I prefer this naming convention over the other one just because there are no categories/subcategories specifically for the interactive figures area. this is both more descriptive and will section off the entire interactive figures categories for quicker searching.
Well there was discussion about tidying up the Interactive Figures/Cards section a few months ago but that seems to have fallen by the wayside.
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to be consistent with the other figures in the database. I submitted the change but it was rejected. Can anyone tell me why the Venom one would be named different?
The other items in the database are named incorrectly.
I came across that Venom figure while working on other things, and fixed the name as I went about my business. I was the one who rejected your edit.
See here for a guide to naming toys.
http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7129.0.html
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to be consistent with the other figures in the database. I submitted the change but it was rejected. Can anyone tell me why the Venom one would be named different?
The other items in the database are named incorrectly.
I came across that Venom figure while working on other things, and fixed the name as I went about my business. I was the one who rejected your edit.
See here for a guide to naming toys.
http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7129.0.html
TONS of interactive figures were in the DB before that post was made so that would mean the near entirety of Interactive Figures are named incorrectly according to that link. :o
You'd think there would be a distinction as they're listed in their own category far and away from the other toys/figures/plushes in the Swag category and the naming trappings from that link seems to better apply to things like Kai Arts, Nendroids, and the like as opposed to the nearly unposeable figurines specific to certain games (LEGO being an exception of course ;)). I'm sure you disagree as rules is rules is rules (though according to this http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,22.0.html (http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,22.0.html) it's still not canonized...I'm sure it will get edited in there shortly :P) but maybe there ought to be a vote as to whether those naming conventions extend to ALL toys on the forum? If democracy is too much of a hassle then perhaps some additional verbiage on that link that includes mention of the "toys" in the Interactive Figures section? :-X
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Thanks for the responses it looks like there is a lot to fix under the interactive figures then because it looks like most of the figures are named similar to the falcon example.
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Thanks for the responses it looks like there is a lot to fix under the interactive figures then because it looks like most of the figures are named similar to the falcon example.
There was/is a ton of stuff to fix in that section even before this naming issue cropped up. 8) I keep telling myself at some point I'll go back to working on cleaning up entries/filling in the blanks if not for those damnable distractions that always arise. ;)
Realistically though, it'll most likely come down to: Here's the rules http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7129.0.html (http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7129.0.html), follow them, and there won't be an issue. ;)
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Thanks for the responses it looks like there is a lot to fix under the interactive figures then because it looks like most of the figures are named similar to the falcon example.
There was/is a ton of stuff to fix in that section even before this naming issue cropped up. 8) I keep telling myself at some point I'll go back to working on cleaning up entries/filling in the blanks if not for those damnable distractions that always arise. ;)
Realistically though, it'll most likely come down to: Here's the rules http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7129.0.html (ftp://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7129.0.html), follow them, and there won't be an issue. ;)
I finally fixed the images for all the Skylanders / Infinity / Lego stuff I personally own this past weekend, and it was a chore. I'm sure there's still a ton left that's screwed up in that regard alone.
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http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7129.0.html (http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7129.0.html), follow them, and there won't be an issue. ;)
I fixed this link in your post. It was going to FTP for some reason.
Regarding the Style Guide, currently we have a bunch of things that fall into "unwritten rules" and are not on that list yet for some reason.
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We need to adjust the Amiibo naming rule slightly. Because Little Mac is number 16, he's being listed as one of the first Smash bros. amiibo in the list. We should add a '0' to all of the single digit entries [No. 08 instead of No. 8]. Fox is only No. 6, but because the database is listing amiibo with smaller first digits, he's right at the back of all of the amiibo being updated.
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Let us hope that they never decide to actually put the 0 in any future releases, then they will all have to be fixed. I do not agree that we should add a digit where one does not exist to make it look nicer. Instead, we should request that the category ordering be changed to count numbers as whole numbers, rather than only count each digit.
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Let us hope that they never decide to actually put the 0 in any future releases, then they will all have to be fixed. I do not agree that we should add a digit where one does not exist to make it look nicer. Instead, we should request that the category ordering be changed to count numbers as whole numbers, rather than only count each digit.
Wait for the site devs to adjust the entire listing algorithm, or add a single character to 9 items. Just let the OCD take one for the team, I've already adjusted them anyway and it works as intended
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OK :D
It works well enough. Hopefully no one complains. :-X
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Haven't added any figures for a few weeks, and the new naming scheme cracks me up.
Seriously, I propose we name them as such:
Disney Infinity 3.0 Edition: 6+: Disney - Warning: Choking Hazard - Small Parts -- Not For Children Under 3 Years::-: Disney Infinity 3.0 Edition Video Game And Base Required For Use. - Minnie Mouse
I mean, if we're gonna use EVERYTHING on the box, let's just go all out. :P
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LEGO Dimensions. Should we use the item number in the title like the LEGO Dimensions wikia does?
http://lego-dimensions.wikia.com/wiki/71211_Fun_Pack
vs
http://vgcollect.com/item/88056
http://vgcollect.com/item/88057
These two are an example as of why. Use of (Bart) or (Krusty) in the title is wrong based on existing style because these are not variations.
Akin to this: http://vgcollect.com/item/88055
LEGO Dimensions: Level Pack - The Simpsons
then the Bart one would be
LEGO Dimensions: Fun Pack - The Simpsons 71211 ?
Obviously, we would need to put the set number on all entries of Lego products.
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I would say the "number" isn't necessary as it seems to be more of an item number, not a number in a series. I doubt there are 71000 LEGO Dimensions sets. I'm sure there are 71000 LEGO sets, but we aren't cataloging LEGO sets, so the point seems moot.
My opinion would be.
LEGO Dimensions: Simpsons Fun Pack - Krusty / Clown Bike
LEGO Dimensions: Simpsons Fun Pack - Bart / Gravity Sprinter
LEGO Dimensions: Simpsons Level Pack - Homer's Car / Homer / Taunt-O-Vision
There are obviously other reasonable options such as separating the Sub brand and Pack type. The names of the items are on the box, and that's what we use for other types of figures, like the Splatoon amiibo pack.
LEGO Dimensions: Fun Pack - Simpsons - Krusty / Clown Bike
Would be an example, I suppose.
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I'm sure there are 71000 LEGO sets, but we aren't cataloging LEGO sets, so the point seems moot.
Well we are now. :(
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I'm sure there are 71000 LEGO sets, but we aren't cataloging LEGO sets, so the point seems moot.
Well we are now. :(
Wait... like full on... we catalog lego sets? Or are you talking about Dimensions LEGO sets. It's not quite the same thing. If we are cataloging all LEGO sets (all 72000 or something), then I guess it isn't unreasonable to include the item number, but if we are only logging the Dimensions sets, there is no reason to include the item number in the title. Regardless of that, we have an item number field for that. Kind of redundant.
If there is no likelihood of cataloging any LEGO set that is not a LEGO Dimensions set, then there is no reason to account for non LEGO Dimensions LEGO sets, right?
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So what happened with this?
I personally "Interactive Figures and Cards" for the sake of cohesion. Does it sound clear enough?
That works for me. :)
So we're looking at:
Interactive Figures and Cards
Amiibo Cards
Amiibo Figures
Disney Infinity Figures/Power Discs/Play Sets
LEGO Dimensions Figures
Nintendo e-Reader Cards
Pokemon Rumble U NFC Figures
Skylanders Figures/Traps/Vehicles
I'm dumbfounded how setting up categories for SMS [KR] or Atari 2600 [BR ] that have zero entries and lead to 404 Error pages was more important than fixing the interactive figures categories that have been discussed plenty for months now. Nothing against the Korean or Brazilian members who want their games listed of course but I don't see why it's so hard to add the categories, move stuff around and THEN work on the naming conventions?
LEGO Dimensions. Should we use the item number in the title like the LEGO Dimensions wikia does?
http://lego-dimensions.wikia.com/wiki/71211_Fun_Pack
vs
http://vgcollect.com/item/88056
http://vgcollect.com/item/88057
These two are an example as of why. Use of (Bart) or (Krusty) in the title is wrong based on existing style because these are not variations.
Akin to this: http://vgcollect.com/item/88055
LEGO Dimensions: Level Pack - The Simpsons
then the Bart one would be
LEGO Dimensions: Fun Pack - The Simpsons 71211 ?
Obviously, we would need to put the set number on all entries of Lego products.
When I added those to the database, I was following the existing naming conventions that were in place for Infinity, Amiibo and Skylanders. At the time there was no official way of doing it so I tried to mimic the existing structure that was in place. Your Style Discussion: Toys post (http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7129.0.html) that became the (unwritten) de facto rules for all figures wouldn't exist for another 2/3 of a year so they were "right" up until your post decided they weren't. I get it, you want consistency across the board and it might surprise you but I really do agree with you largely for all toys/statues/dolls/busts/etc. EXCEPT when it comes to Interactive Figures and Cards. I just don't feel that the Interactive Figures should be held to the same rigid tenets of the figure naming if they had their own categories like we had been discussing as naming them with the brand first would be utterly redundant. The only real hangup I can see with IF & C being distinct is if someone wanted to add things like LEGO MineCraft sets to the site (and even then I'm sure we can hammer out how LEGO sets, whether interactive or not, can be named ;)).
Can it be put to a vote? Is a poll option available on this site so we can see how the general populace feels about whether IF & C can be distinct from the rest of the toys/swag/dolls/merch/etc. on this site? I've been wanting to add the new Dimensions and Imaginators figures/sets coming out here shortly but have refrained to do so because it feels like a burden to try and comply with the current naming conventions and then go back and do edits whenever it is decided to fix the Interactive Figures categories (I'm not holding my breath at this point ;)).
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I'm sure there are 71000 LEGO sets, but we aren't cataloging LEGO sets, so the point seems moot.
Well we are now. :(
Wait... like full on... we catalog lego sets? Or are you talking about Dimensions LEGO sets.
It is just the Lego Dimensions, but it still counts. Once you start on one part, there is more incentive to continue on because you can now form a relationship to an existing DB item. I don't like the fact they are here either... having done some work on a Kre-O database, it is a pain.
Flashback2012, the difference in those game categories is that they have been requested. I personally have a ton of things on my backlog to add for those categories. We've had empty categories before, games will get added and they won't be empty anymore.
Having a different set of rules for Lego sets would indicate we are going to treat them special, apart from being toys. Do we want this to turn out that way, then suddenly we have something other than video game related Lego sets in the db?
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I'm sure there are 71000 LEGO sets, but we aren't cataloging LEGO sets, so the point seems moot.
Well we are now. :(
Wait... like full on... we catalog lego sets? Or are you talking about Dimensions LEGO sets.
It is just the Lego Dimensions, but it still counts. Once you start on one part, there is more incentive to continue on because you can now form a relationship to an existing DB item. I don't like the fact they are here either... having done some work on a Kre-O database, it is a pain.
Having a different set of rules for Lego sets would indicate we are going to treat them special, apart from being toys. Do we want this to turn out that way, then suddenly we have something other than video game related Lego sets in the db?
I think we shouldn't necessarily treat them the same as toys.
I think we should generate our own standard for interactive figures in general. A set of standards that should apply fairly neatly to Infinity, LEGO, Amiibo, and Skylanders. Sure the standard will be very similar to the toy/figure standard, but that's mostly because you only have so much to work with and they are similar.
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Flashback2012, the difference in those game categories is that they have been requested. I personally have a ton of things on my backlog to add for those categories. We've had empty categories before, games will get added and they won't be empty anymore.
Sorry I'm late in getting back to this. So it sounds like a formality is holding this up. Okay then, I'll copy/paste that info in the Category/Platform Request thread and see what happens.
Having a different set of rules for Lego sets would indicate we are going to treat them special, apart from being toys. Do we want this to turn out that way, then suddenly we have something other than video game related Lego sets in the db?
I had to re-read this a few times to try and get what you were saying. Ignition's response sums up how I'm feeling...
I think we should generate our own standard for interactive figures in general. A set of standards that should apply fairly neatly to Infinity, LEGO, Amiibo, and Skylanders. Sure the standard will be very similar to the toy/figure standard, but that's mostly because you only have so much to work with and they are similar.
I don't see why having a slightly separate standard for interactive figures is such a bad thing. I get it flies in the face of the current standard of toy uniformity you're trying to achieve but even then I'd contest your naming conventions on toys is a little counter-intuitive to begin with as I would think the character's name should be the foremost piece of information instead of what series they adhere to. As an example...
http://vgcollect.com/item/82546
Final Fantasy XIII Play Arts Kai Action Figure - Lightning
That seems convulsed to me because just about everything else in this DB lists the name first and foremost and everything else is secondary. I think it'd make better sense if it were:
Lightning - Final Fantasy XIII Play Arts Kai Action Figure
Yeah, you'd have a bajillion listings with Mario first but in that regard I think that figures with any kind of articulation should have their own category instead of being lumped in the toys/novelties with pre-posed or un-poseable toys (another argument for another day I'm sure ;)).
By doing that, if and when the series specific Interactive Figure Categories ever do get added, there would be better uniformity with the rest of the toys. For example:
Bowser - Super Smash Bros. Collection (No. 20)(EU)
Bowser - Super Smash Bros. Collection (US)
Koopa - Super Smash Bros. (JPN)
Tom Nook - Animal Crossing (US)
Drill Sargeant (Clear Red) - Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
Mega Ram Spyro - Skylanders Swap Force
Nightmare Express Adventure Pack - Skylanders Trap Team
Groot - Disney Infinity 2.0
Lone Ranger (Crystal) - Disney Infinity (Toys R Us Exclusive)
Yoda (LightFX) - Disney Infinity 3.0 (Target Exclusive)
The only tricky one I think would be LEGO Dimensions. Perhaps something like this?
DC Comics (Superman) - Fun Pack (71236)
Ghostbusters - Story Pack (71242)
Midway Arcade - Level Pack (71235)
Simpsons, The (Krusty) - Fun Pack (71227)
Though I'm somewhat partial to it being...
Krusty / Clown Bike (The Simpsons) - Fun Pack (71227)
Superman / Hover Pod (DC Comics) - Fun Pack (71236)
I do realize this creates a situation with gaming related LEGO sets people might want to add such as the MineCraft sets. I looked up a couple to see such as...
https://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Minecraft-21116-Crafting-Box/dp/B00MJYDHHS/ref=sr_1_5?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1474998749&sr=1-5&keywords=lego+minecraft
https://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Minecraft-Nether-Fortress-Building/dp/B00WHY9I1O/ref=sr_1_12?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1474998771&sr=1-12&keywords=lego+minecraft
Perhaps it could be done this way...
Crafting Box - LEGO MineCraft (21116)
Nether Fortress, The - LEGO MineCraft (21122)
What does everyone else think?