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General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: burningdoom on August 26, 2016, 12:42:49 pm
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Well, this all but confirms it: The NX will be yet another gimmick system:
"One of the things that we have to do better when we launch the NX — we have to do a better job communicating the positioning for the product," Fils-Aime said. "We have to do a better job helping people to understand its uniqueness and what that means for the game playing experience."
So disappointed, Nintendo...so disappointed.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/8/26/12658226/nintendo-nx-better-than-wii-u-details
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So it looks I'll be getting my copy of Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild on Wii U. Don't want any wonky motion controls like I got stuck with on Twilight Princess, and now I can't find a decently priced GameCube copy.
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I have many mixed emotions after reading the article.
I hate speculating, but this guy is clueless. And as a result, the NX does not sound too good.
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I have many mixed emotions after reading the article.
I hate speculating, but this guy is clueless. And as a result, the NX does not sound too good.
What did you have in mind anyway.
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I have many mixed emotions after reading the article.
I hate speculating, but this guy is clueless. And as a result, the NX does not sound too good.
I was just focusing on the comment from Phil, really. That quote screams, "GIMMICK," to me.
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I have many mixed emotions after reading the article.
I hate speculating, but this guy is clueless. And as a result, the NX does not sound too good.
What did you have in mind anyway.
Regarding what the console will be?
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I have many mixed emotions after reading the article.
I hate speculating, but this guy is clueless. And as a result, the NX does not sound too good.
What did you have in mind anyway.
Regarding what the console will be?
Yes, or hoping.
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I see nothing in this that confirms it is a gimmick. Using the word "unique" I can see be construed that way, but every system needs to be "unique" otherwise why buy it instead of someone else's product. Unique != gimmick.
Knowing Nintendo and their history, that's the only reason people scream gimmick.
Like I keep saying, until Nintendo actually announces something, you're just speculating and assuming.
I really hate that these posts keep cropping up, there is absolutely no reason to start these topics other than to start a fanboy rage war, and it always turns into fanboy rage wars.
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^ No reason except it's a new system and that's what gamers love to talk about. Don't think there's a thing wrong with being concerned about a new system when we're all gamers.
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^ No reason except it's a new system and that's what gamers love to talk about. Don't think there's a thing wrong with being concerned about a new system when we're all gamers.
Your post isn't "Let's talk about the NX" your post is "Nintendo NX Will Be a Gimmick System".
One conveys talking about the new system. One conveys an opinion stated as if it were a fact.
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^ No reason except it's a new system and that's what gamers love to talk about. Don't think there's a thing wrong with being concerned about a new system when we're all gamers.
Your post isn't "Let's talk about the NX" your post is "Nintendo NX Will Be a Gimmick System".
One conveys talking about the new system. One conveys an opinion stated as if it were a fact.
Sure does. I still don't see a problem here. I mean, I did quote Reggie, who works for Nintendo.
Did I break any forum rules? Are you an admin?
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^ No reason except it's a new system and that's what gamers love to talk about. Don't think there's a thing wrong with being concerned about a new system when we're all gamers.
Your post isn't "Let's talk about the NX" your post is "Nintendo NX Will Be a Gimmick System".
One conveys talking about the new system. One conveys an opinion stated as if it were a fact.
Sure does. I still don't see a problem here. I mean, I did quote Reggie, who works for Nintendo.
Did I break any forum rules? Are you an admin?
the 2 of you calm down. we aren't even off of the first page and your already arguing. if you keep it up this thread will be locked.
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^ No reason except it's a new system and that's what gamers love to talk about. Don't think there's a thing wrong with being concerned about a new system when we're all gamers.
Your post isn't "Let's talk about the NX" your post is "Nintendo NX Will Be a Gimmick System".
One conveys talking about the new system. One conveys an opinion stated as if it were a fact.
Sure does. I still don't see a problem here. I mean, I did quote Reggie, who works for Nintendo.
Did I break any forum rules? Are you an admin?
I conveyed that your post is antagonistic in nature, and that it causes further antagonizing, and thus you have proven my point.
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^ No reason except it's a new system and that's what gamers love to talk about. Don't think there's a thing wrong with being concerned about a new system when we're all gamers.
Your post isn't "Let's talk about the NX" your post is "Nintendo NX Will Be a Gimmick System".
One conveys talking about the new system. One conveys an opinion stated as if it were a fact.
Sure does. I still don't see a problem here. I mean, I did quote Reggie, who works for Nintendo.
Did I break any forum rules? Are you an admin?
the 2 of you calm down. we aren't even off of the first page and your already arguing. if you keep it up this thread will be locked.
Okay, just like I asked him, what did I do wrong here? Did I troll anyone or say anything inappropriate? Is me asking if I did something wrong, now wrong? Why am I getting slapped on the wrist for someone accusing me of stuff?
I seriously fail to see how talking about the new NX and the article is somehow wrong.
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I'm just going to post as another forum member and not as an admin because, really, who needs to wave a mod flag around.
Anyway, I agree that the post title is a little clickbaity as the article itself doesn't use the word "gimmick." From the Reggie quote that was posted in the OP, it just sounds like he's calling the system "unique" which, honestly, is vague as heck and ironic considering that the article is about being better about communicating information.
I personally don't bother to read articles about the NX because nothing has been officially announced by Nintendo. Until then, I'm not interested in hemming and hawing and fretting about it really. I've got plenty of games currently to play anyway ;)
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I'm just going to post as another forum member and not as an admin because, really, who needs to wave a mod flag around.
Anyway, I agree that the post title is a little clickbaity as the article itself doesn't use the word "gimmick." From the Reggie quote that was posted in the OP, it just sounds like he's calling the system "unique" which, honestly, is vague as heck and ironic considering that the article is about being better about communicating information.
But again, does any of that break any rules? We speculate on stuff constantly here. Last I checked, that's normal forum behavior. So why am I getting attacked and treated like I did something wrong?
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The letters "N" and "X" next to each other have a checkered history on this website. Usually there is some sort of back n' forth that results in more than just speculation.
Just my two cents.
@dreama: I just want a traditional Nintendo console that doesn't use motion controls and/or peripherals as its selling point. I look at the Game Cube as an example because it could have up to four people playing, had a normal controller and had some great first and third party titles.
Hashtag, wishful thinking.
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I just want a traditional Nintendo console that doesn't use motion controls and/or peripherals as its selling point. I look at the Game Cube as an example because it could have up to four people playing, had a normal controller and had some great first and third party titles.
Hashtag, wishful thinking.
I know that feel. I've been wanting to exercise more and thought about bringing out the Wii Fit to try out with my bf. He said he had a second balance board and was really surprised when I told him that it doesn't support more than one. Sometimes it feels like we're going backwards with some of the limitations we're getting with the newer systems, but maybe it's because the big companies aren't interested in having us play with friends in the same room.
and @burningdoom, you didn't do anything wrong, and I wasn't attacking you (apologies if that's how you felt). I was just saying that I can understand the frustration of others seeing a title like that and thinking that there was factual basis to go with it.
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The letters "N" and "X" next to each other have a checkered history on this website. Usually there is some sort of back n' forth that results in more than just speculation.
Just my two cents.
@dreama: I just want a traditional Nintendo console that doesn't use motion controls and/or peripherals as its selling point. I look at the Game Cube as an example because it could have up to four people playing, had a normal controller and had some great first and third party titles.
Hashtag, wishful thinking.
im fine with motion controls in games I just don't want ANOTHER repeat of the waggle wand. if we can have a traditional controller that has the ability to track itself and have that be the motion controls that would be perfect.
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I'm right there with Kashell. I want a well-built, traditional console from Nintendo. One that third-parties will find easy to support. Nintendo's best years were between the NES and the GameCube, IMO.
And Reggie using the word, "uniqueness", in his quote, makes some very solid evidence for this being a gimmick console. Which disappoints me greatly. That word may not tell us exactly what is gonna make it unique, but it does tell us that this is not going to be a traditional console.
And I'm not a Nintendo hater. I own most Nintendo systems minus the Virtual Boy and the N64. This is me being wary with Nintendo after the last two console letdowns.
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If it's going to be a "hybrid", which seems very likely now, then to me it's obvious that it's going to need good communication and information about telling people what it is and how it works.
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If it's going to be a "hybrid", which seems very likely now, then to me it's obvious that it's going to need good communication and information about telling people what it is and how it works.
Indeed. The current way they're trying to communicate is not good so far and leads people to speculate more than anything, and not necessarily for the positive.
"Unique" is such a throwaway word to me but it's really the only thing Nintendo consoles have since they're not interested in providing the kind of specs that come with PlayStation, XBox, and PC. Gimmick has such a negative connotation, and while I agree it usually doesn't work, I remember feeling like the dual screens of my DS Lite were really ingenious. Even if the bottom screen hadn't been a touch screen, I think it still would've been great due to giving devs a different way of presenting a game to a player without necessarily adding needless functions.
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It's funny that they're saying they need to better explain the NX, but at the same time have left us completely in the dark. There's not much else to do but speculate about the system.
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I know that feel. I've been wanting to exercise more and thought about bringing out the Wii Fit to try out with my bf. He said he had a second balance board and was really surprised when I told him that it doesn't support more than one. Sometimes it feels like we're going backwards with some of the limitations we're getting with the newer systems, but maybe it's because the big companies aren't interested in having us play with friends in the same room.
Wait. You can't work out together using the Wii Fit system because it only recognizes one board?
That...seems like a really foolish decision.
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The letters "N" and "X" next to each other have a checkered history on this website. Usually there is some sort of back n' forth that results in more than just speculation.
Just my two cents.
@dreama: I just want a traditional Nintendo console that doesn't use motion controls and/or peripherals as its selling point. I look at the Game Cube as an example because it could have up to four people playing, had a normal controller and had some great first and third party titles.
Hashtag, wishful thinking.
The gamecube was a failure. The Wii showed a future. A traditional console could never stand against the Xbox one and PS4 unless they offer the market something unique as product as was the Wii.
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Yeah... I looked it up and apparently it's because the board basically acts as two Wiimotes while you use another Wiimote for inputs and such. Makes sense, but also dumb :/
There are some multiplayer games available on the Wii Fit, but it either involves taking turns or not using the Balance Board.
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I didn't see anything in this article that even remotely confirms anything. I don't think I've ever seen so many rumors and speculation about any console, ever, as much as I have for the NX. I will be very disappointing if it does end up relying on a gimmick like the Wii and Wii U, and depending on what it is I may or may not buy one for a while.
Nintendo has something that no other company has and that is a lineup of very strong IPs. With that said, I am hoping that Nintendo just releases a powerful home console, akin to the PS4 or X1, normal controller, and makes it very easy for third party devs to create good games on. I would shed tears of joy if this happens, but my gut tells me they wont.
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Here's how I see it, it can't be seen as a gimmick until we know what "it" is. The way I look at it the d-pad, analog control sticks, rumble, and triggers could all be seen as gimmicks if they did not take off as they did. And honestly i'my one of those weird ones who think motion controls have there place in games namely light gun games, he'll if implemented properly any shooter. Splatoon has made it hard to go back to regular shooter mechanics and I personally prefer over mouse and keyboard. Basically don't call it a gimmicks until we know what it is
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I think Reggie's comment about doing a better job explaining the new console is partly in reference to the Wii U. Some people STILL think it's an add on for the Wii. Everyone knows there was very little marketing for the Wii U and with the similar name, it confused a lot of people.
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Today I learned Burningdoom can literally see the future. That, or his dad works for Nintendo.
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With the rumored aspects of the system, it certainly would be unique, seemingly being a hybrid portable/console. There's no way Nintendo is gonna directly compete with Sony and Microsoft, there's no point to that and would end up in them failing again. They aren't just gonna release a third wheel, especially as both Sony and Microsoft are about to release more powerful consoles in a year. Nintendo has to find ways to compete in the market, and seemingly banking on combining what's good with a console, with their successful handheld market, to hopefully release something that stands out. I know I've wanted more of a focused console from them, more traditional, but I understand how it wouldn't work for them.
We should hopefully find out next month the full details with the NX.
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Today I learned Burningdoom can literally see the future. That, or his dad works for Nintendo.
Just doing some basic logic. Reggie is quoted in the article as saying that they have to a better job explaining it's "uniqueness". That means it's not going to be a traditional console. Not saying I know what the uniqueness is, exactly, but it definitely says "gimmick" to me.
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The letters "N" and "X" next to each other have a checkered history on this website. Usually there is some sort of back n' forth that results in more than just speculation.
Just my two cents.
@dreama: I just want a traditional Nintendo console that doesn't use motion controls and/or peripherals as its selling point. I look at the Game Cube as an example because it could have up to four people playing, had a normal controller and had some great first and third party titles.
Hashtag, wishful thinking.
The gamecube was a failure. The Wii showed a future. A traditional console could never stand against the Xbox one and PS4 unless they offer the market something unique as product as was the Wii.
In comparison to the other two, the Game Cube didn't do as well but "failure" isn't accurate. A traditional console would stand a much better chance, even with the PS4 and Xbone.
What kind of future did the Wii show?
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The letters "N" and "X" next to each other have a checkered history on this website. Usually there is some sort of back n' forth that results in more than just speculation.
Just my two cents.
@dreama: I just want a traditional Nintendo console that doesn't use motion controls and/or peripherals as its selling point. I look at the Game Cube as an example because it could have up to four people playing, had a normal controller and had some great first and third party titles.
Hashtag, wishful thinking.
The gamecube was a failure. The Wii showed a future. A traditional console could never stand against the Xbox one and PS4 unless they offer the market something unique as product as was the Wii.
In comparison to the other two, the Game Cube didn't do as well but "failure" isn't accurate. A traditional console would stand a much better chance, even with the PS4 and Xbone.
What kind of future did the Wii show?
Despite the "failure," I feel like we have more "classics" and "must-haves" on the GC than we do on the Wii. Some really amazing titles on the GC still make it a desired console (in my opinion) while the Wii is forgettable and more so now that there's a Wii U.
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The letters "N" and "X" next to each other have a checkered history on this website. Usually there is some sort of back n' forth that results in more than just speculation.
Just my two cents.
@dreama: I just want a traditional Nintendo console that doesn't use motion controls and/or peripherals as its selling point. I look at the Game Cube as an example because it could have up to four people playing, had a normal controller and had some great first and third party titles.
Hashtag, wishful thinking.
The gamecube was a failure. The Wii showed a future. A traditional console could never stand against the Xbox one and PS4 unless they offer the market something unique as product as was the Wii.
In comparison to the other two, the Game Cube didn't do as well but "failure" isn't accurate. A traditional console would stand a much better chance, even with the PS4 and Xbone.
What kind of future did the Wii show?
Despite the "failure," I feel like we have more "classics" and "must-haves" on the GC than we do on the Wii. Some really amazing titles on the GC still make it a desired console (in my opinion) while the Wii is forgettable and more so now that there's a Wii U.
Absolutely agree with this. The GC's few RPGs, for example, are so unique and captivating.
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The letters "N" and "X" next to each other have a checkered history on this website. Usually there is some sort of back n' forth that results in more than just speculation.
Just my two cents.
@dreama: I just want a traditional Nintendo console that doesn't use motion controls and/or peripherals as its selling point. I look at the Game Cube as an example because it could have up to four people playing, had a normal controller and had some great first and third party titles.
Hashtag, wishful thinking.
The gamecube was a failure. The Wii showed a future. A traditional console could never stand against the Xbox one and PS4 unless they offer the market something unique as product as was the Wii.
In comparison to the other two, the Game Cube didn't do as well but "failure" isn't accurate. A traditional console would stand a much better chance, even with the PS4 and Xbone.
What kind of future did the Wii show?
Despite the "failure," I feel like we have more "classics" and "must-haves" on the GC than we do on the Wii. Some really amazing titles on the GC still make it a desired console (in my opinion) while the Wii is forgettable and more so now that there's a Wii U.
This.
I still own an Wii, and there are good games on it. But I feel those good games would have been 10x better if they had traditional controllers.
And we definitely would have gotten better third-party support on the Wii if it was more traditional. That is to say, we would have gotten more games that we saw on PS3 and XBox 360, because third-parties did give us a lot of shovelware on the Wii.
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The letters "N" and "X" next to each other have a checkered history on this website. Usually there is some sort of back n' forth that results in more than just speculation.
Just my two cents.
@dreama: I just want a traditional Nintendo console that doesn't use motion controls and/or peripherals as its selling point. I look at the Game Cube as an example because it could have up to four people playing, had a normal controller and had some great first and third party titles.
Hashtag, wishful thinking.
The gamecube was a failure. The Wii showed a future. A traditional console could never stand against the Xbox one and PS4 unless they offer the market something unique as product as was the Wii.
I wouldn't call the GameCube a failure, sure it wasn't on par with PS2 by any means but what really was. PS2 was way ahead of its time. I think GameCube was more memorable than OG Xbox imo. OG xbox had the graphics and the sheer hardware specs that made it special but it wasn't as rounded of a system imo. I find myself going back to cube more. It had amazing 1st party titles, a decent variety of third party titles by Nintendo standards and one of my favorite controllers ever :D.
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I wouldn't call the GameCube a failure, sure it wasn't on par with PS2 by any means but what really was. PS2 was way ahead of its time. I think GameCube was more memorable than OG Xbox imo. OG xbox had the graphics and the sheer hardware specs that made it special but it wasn't as rounded of a system imo. I find myself going back to cube more. It had amazing 1st party titles, a decent variety of third party titles by Nintendo standards and one of my favorite controllers ever :D.
The failure isn't really about it being a bad system, just that it was a sales disaster. It sold less than the original Xbox and the PS2 outsold it by nearly 7 times the amount. It was an alright console, but it bombed pretty bad. If the Wii U hadn't of bombed worse, it would've been the worst selling Nintendo console. That is if we don't count their little Virtual Boy sideshow.
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The letters "N" and "X" next to each other have a checkered history on this website. Usually there is some sort of back n' forth that results in more than just speculation.
Just my two cents.
@dreama: I just want a traditional Nintendo console that doesn't use motion controls and/or peripherals as its selling point. I look at the Game Cube as an example because it could have up to four people playing, had a normal controller and had some great first and third party titles.
Hashtag, wishful thinking.
The gamecube was a failure. The Wii showed a future. A traditional console could never stand against the Xbox one and PS4 unless they offer the market something unique as product as was the Wii.
I wouldn't call the GameCube a failure, sure it wasn't on par with PS2 by any means but what really was. PS2 was way ahead of its time. I think GameCube was more memorable than OG Xbox imo. OG xbox had the graphics and the sheer hardware specs that made it special but it wasn't as rounded of a system imo. I find myself going back to cube more. It had amazing 1st party titles, a decent variety of third party titles by Nintendo standards and one of my favorite controllers ever :D.
Ps2 was behind the times, it was inferior to the Xbox, and Gamecube in power. Apparently even weaker than the DC in some ways. We all know what the Ps2 had and nothing else. You're dead out of luck with GC if you don't like first party games.
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^ GameCube had way more third-party support than the Wii U. Not as much as the PS2, granted, but you were far from out of luck if you didn't like first-party titles.
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^ GameCube had way more third-party support than the Wii U. Not as much as the PS2, granted, but you were far from out of luck if you didn't like first-party titles.
Sega and capcom.
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^ GameCube had way more third-party support than the Wii U. Not as much as the PS2, granted, but you were far from out of luck if you didn't like first-party titles.
Sega and capcom.
Way more than Sega and Capcom. It had all the movie tie-in games, superhero games, WWE games, Star Wars games, tony hawk games, RPGs, racing games, sports titles, Dreamcast ports, and others.
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^ GameCube had way more third-party support than the Wii U. Not as much as the PS2, granted, but you were far from out of luck if you didn't like first-party titles.
Sega and capcom.
Way more than Sega and Capcom. It had all the movie tie-in games, superhero games, WWE games, Star Wars games, tony hawk games, RPGs, racing games, sports titles, Dreamcast ports, and others.
They're not exactly fap fap game genres, or games i'd dare own or play, but fair enough I suppose it counts as "3rd party".
Maybe if I word it better this way instead, They're the only quality 3rd party publishers, why bother with those 3rd party genres/games you mentioned above if it has superior ports on the PS2, and Xbox of the same game. You're dead out of luck with the gamecube if the 1st party Nintendo games don't interest you, or Capcoms (resident evil series) and Sega's (sonic series) doesn't exactly make you water from the mouth if you haven't already played it 9000 times somewhere else.
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^ May not be your cup of tea. But I like the WWE, Tony Hawk, and superhero games all a lot. They sell well, so I'm not alone. And RPGs are popular with most hardcore gamers. The Dreamcast ports are also sought-after by the hardcore gamers.
GameCube is actually a better hardware than the PS2. While the XBox versions are the best, often, the GameCube versions are usually 2nd best, so not really inferior ports, most of the time.
Own a Wii U, then you'll really know what poor 3rd-party support is.
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Does anyone actually there's a slight chance that Nintendo would design a PS4 or XBOX type console of their own? The answer is no. For some, that means gimmick. I'm fine with unique, as long as unique isn't made a necessary part of every game. Gives us options.
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It would be a good starting point for Nintendo to use cartridges (or memory cards if you like) as a primary storage medium again, which are collectible. I don't want these cheap CD's and downloads anymore.
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It would be a good starting point for Nintendo to use cartridges (or memory cards if you like) as a primary storage medium again, which are collectible. I don't want these cheap CD's and downloads anymore.
The signs seem to be pointing to that, which would be nice to have carts again, even if they are tiny little things.
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did not read whole thread so bear with me
but i'm p wary about nx in general. but nintendo is kind of awful at communication and has been for ages. esp now that they shut down club nintendo, which was a good way to reach out... well maybe not good, who knows, but it was a method.
also a lot of people are saying a hybrid console, so handheld and home console in one. that is unique. i don't see that as a gimmick. it sure is unique, tho, and that's the most persistent rumour in the mill. it's been the most persistent
i don't see nintendo directs as good communication, either. they're scheduled, rigidly so, and they come like once a month at best. they tell you what is gonna be on it a month ahead. there are no quick bulletins and their twitter is an advertisement churner, rather than a good communication line with important updates. now, i expect that to some degree, but i also expect to see status updates occasionally for when the network is down or scheduled maintenance or a quicklist of update notes or other things like that, i don't know, it just doesn't seem like a line of communication whatsoever. there are no replies that i can see... if there are, you have to scroll down A LOT. and maybe they have a cust support twitter, but really, that should be the main NoA twitter... right? that seems like the obvious go-to, and a specific customer support twitter is basically hidden in plain sight.
basically, nintendo is better at DMCA takedowns than they are at direct communication, and it's kind of sad. i hear their phone-in customer service is fantastic tho. idk, i don't use phone service, but that's what i hear.
anyway, i don't have a lot of faith in current day nintendo. it's a shame, because i like their games (...when they're not butchered with censorship... or franchise names slapped on games unnecessarily...) but the company needs a very serious restructuring and needs to get up to the modern day. not for me, because i'm not that kind of person necessarily, but a good rule of business these days include social media staff and whatnot. it's a bit silly to me (old soul or jaded, you take your pick) but not to a lot of people, clearly. nintendo just keeps on trucking along with these weird archaic decisions.
so i worry, to some degree. 'some degree'. i won't cry the day they decide to go third party if it comes. i won't cry the day they restructure if they do