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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: marvelvscapcom2 on September 15, 2016, 01:41:57 pm
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Which would you rather have if you could only pick one? :D
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Sega Genesis, by a mile. Sega Genesis has a much bigger library and has more iconic titles in it's library. And it was backwards compatible with Sega Master System (if you have the adapter), nearly doubling that game library.
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Genesis.
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Genesis Does What the Turbo Don't
TurboGrafx is severely overrated. There, I said it. It's just not that great. It did have a few games that I like, such as the Bonk games; but if you don't like shooters, that's about it.
I can't believe I'm about to gush about the Genesis....
The Genesis had some badass games. Sonic sucks, but Castlevania, Contra, General Chaos, Mutant League Football, Ristar, Adventures of Batman & Robin, Gunstar Heroes, Rocket Knight, and Castle of Illusion are all GREAT games. That's just the ones off the top of my head. There are more I'm sure.
There you go. The Nintendo fanboy gushing about Sega... :o
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Genesis for the sheer quantity of games, Turbo is awesome but doesn't compete with the greatness that is the Sega Genesis!
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Genesis. While what I've seen of the Turbo isn't bad, I feel like it's just an also-ran that is too often propped up on the merit of being obscurity, like some other consoles of the same gen.
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Pc engine if you have cd drive, and can speak japanese.
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Genesis for sure.
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Genesis no contest. Sega did an amazing job positioning against the SNES and TG-16.
At one point Sega had 51% of the US console market.
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Mega Drive by a slim margin over PC Engine.
Mostly for a diverse and higher quality game library.
Although PC Engine CD over Sega CD any day.
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PC enigine does have castlevania rondo of blood, furthermore many ports are better on the pc engine take outrun, super ghouls'n ghosts or street fighter for example and also many exclusive shoot em ups etc.
Also if one thinks in numbers I think that sega has way more trash titles than the pc engine.
For now I give the win to sega but I think that the pc engine has a library that can compete with sega especially the japanese exclusive releases wich are not on the o so small library of the western turbo grafx.
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Still to this day I have never owned a TG16 and likely never will. Outside a few shooters on the console it's library does not appeal to me much, especially when you consider how expensive the system is to collect for. I have found one TG16 game in the wild in my years of collecting (Bloody Wolf) and even if I did end up finding the system and a decent lot of games for it for a good price I doubt I'd collect for it.
With that said, I LOVE the Genesis! I am one of those rare people that actually prefer to the SNES given it's excellent action games and glut of amazing SHMUPs. I also liked Sonic more than Mario in the 16-bit era, and only DKC and DKC2 even come close to touching Sonic imo.
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I have a bit of a soft spot for the TG16. It's a pretty cool system, and is even better if you region mod it. It is expensive to collect for, but the Japanese versions of the games are usually cheaper, even with shipping. That's where the region mod comes in. As far as the library goes, Genesis wins easily. But I generally like weird stuff like the TG16, CDi, etc.
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I have a bit of a soft spot for the TG16. It's a pretty cool system, and is even better if you region mod it. It is expensive to collect for, but the Japanese versions of the games are usually cheaper, even with shipping. That's where the region mod comes in. As far as the library goes, Genesis wins easily. But I generally like weird stuff like the TG16, CDi, etc.
You can't compare the turbo grafx with the CDI since the CDI has no good games at all. All games are bad and even the best ones are really mediocre except for dragon's lair.
Besides in Japan it was a very normal console alongside the snes super famicom however in Japan the sega genesis/megadrive was the console that was pretty uncommon in japan while in the western countries it is the turbo grafx wich is uncommon.
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If we're talking the US Market releases against each other with all add-ons and what not then it's the Sega Genesis by a country mile. I fully tricked out Genesis has the Sega CD and 32X as well as the library of nearly all the SMS and that's pretty hard for the Turbografx (or even the NES and SNES) to beat. Even without that if we're talking Genesis carts to the TG16's HuCards only (and only for the US), it'd still go to the Genesis.
It pains me a little to say that since I actually traded away my Genesis to my cousin for his TG16 when I was a kid and grew up trying to collect for the TG16. There was a small renaissance for the system near the end of the Duo's life which I have a lot of fond memories of including dabbling in imports for the first time seriously and enjoying games like Rondo of Blood while my friends were oblivious to its existence.
From a collector's standpoint, it was more fun to collect for the TG16 than the Genesis though to be fair, Genesis titles were more abundant. :P
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I have a bit of a soft spot for the TG16. It's a pretty cool system, and is even better if you region mod it. It is expensive to collect for, but the Japanese versions of the games are usually cheaper, even with shipping. That's where the region mod comes in. As far as the library goes, Genesis wins easily. But I generally like weird stuff like the TG16, CDi, etc.
You can't compare the turbo grafx with the CDI since the CDI has no good games at all. All games are bad and even the best ones are really mediocre except for dragon's lair.
Besides in Japan it was a very normal console alongside the snes super famicom however in Japan the sega genesis/megadrive was the console that was pretty uncommon in japan while in the western countries it is the turbo grafx wich is uncommon.
I think his comparison is more in the vein that the TG16 was the odd man out system here as were systems like the CD-i, Jaguar, 3DO, etc. Yeah it was more mainstream in Japan, more so than the Mega Drive, but I think in his reference he was talking from the US point of view. One COULD tap into the PC-Engine market if they knew how but that doesn't mean everyone did; at least back then before the days of the interwebs. :P
My personal experience was seeing screen shots of games in magazines like EGM and running up long distance rates calling places in the back of the magazines hoping they had the titles in stock. :o
As for the CD-i having no good games, I'd largely agree as most people only focus on the Mario and Zelda games for it.
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I have a bit of a soft spot for the TG16. It's a pretty cool system, and is even better if you region mod it. It is expensive to collect for, but the Japanese versions of the games are usually cheaper, even with shipping. That's where the region mod comes in. As far as the library goes, Genesis wins easily. But I generally like weird stuff like the TG16, CDi, etc.
You can't compare the turbo grafx with the CDI since the CDI has no good games at all. All games are bad and even the best ones are really mediocre except for dragon's lair.
Besides in Japan it was a very normal console alongside the snes super famicom however in Japan the sega genesis/megadrive was the console that was pretty uncommon in japan while in the western countries it is the turbo grafx wich is uncommon.
I think his comparison is more in the vein that the TG16 was the odd man out system here as were systems like the CD-i, Jaguar, 3DO, etc. Yeah it was more mainstream in Japan, more so than the Mega Drive, but I think in his reference he was talking from the US point of view. One COULD tap into the PC-Engine market if they knew how but that doesn't mean everyone did; at least back then before the days of the interwebs. :P
My personal experience was seeing screen shots of games in magazines like EGM and running up long distance rates calling places in the back of the magazines hoping they had the titles in stock. :o
As for the CD-i having no good games, I'd largely agree as most people only focus on the Mario and Zelda games for it.
the only reason why people collect mainly the mario and zelda titles is just so that one has them since even hotel mario is not a good game.
The only good game on the cdi is dragon's lair wich is one of the best ports on the CDI.
One could argue that games like mutant rampage and the apprentice are good games because they are the best games on the cdi but in my opinion that is no excuse to call those good games since also those games are really mediocre.
If you like tetris you could argue that tetris on CDI is a good game, I'm one of those few persons that actually doesn't enjoy playing tetris. it's a trash game in my opinion.
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I loved the CD-i. I didn't own one, but we had them at my school. And it was way more fun to play the interactive educational mysteries/movies things than it was to do actual classwork.
But I wouldn't buy one, I don't like it that much, lol. I just liked it a lot more than schoolwork.
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Didn't mean to derail the thread and make it about the CDi. I just meant that they are both slightly obscure system outside of retro gaming circles. Your personal opinions aside, I have found a few CDi games to be quite enjoyable, but the majority of the library does suck.
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Didn't mean to derail the thread and make it about the CDi. I just meant that they are both slightly obscure system outside of retro gaming circles. Your personal opinions aside, I have found a few CDi games to be quite enjoyable, but the majority of the library does suck.
Psshh, when do threads stay focused here?
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Didn't mean to derail the thread and make it about the CDi. I just meant that they are both slightly obscure system outside of retro gaming circles. Your personal opinions aside, I have found a few CDi games to be quite enjoyable, but the majority of the library does suck.
Psshh, when do threads stay focused here?
Justified!
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Something nobody has mentioned is the price of good turbo games compared to good genesis games. In this respect genesis is far better.
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I have a bit of a soft spot for the TG16. It's a pretty cool system, and is even better if you region mod it. It is expensive to collect for, but the Japanese versions of the games are usually cheaper, even with shipping. That's where the region mod comes in. As far as the library goes, Genesis wins easily. But I generally like weird stuff like the TG16, CDi, etc.
You can't compare the turbo grafx with the CDI since the CDI has no good games at all. All games are bad and even the best ones are really mediocre except for dragon's lair.
Besides in Japan it was a very normal console alongside the snes super famicom however in Japan the sega genesis/megadrive was the console that was pretty uncommon in japan while in the western countries it is the turbo grafx wich is uncommon.
I think his comparison is more in the vein that the TG16 was the odd man out system here as were systems like the CD-i, Jaguar, 3DO, etc. Yeah it was more mainstream in Japan, more so than the Mega Drive, but I think in his reference he was talking from the US point of view. One COULD tap into the PC-Engine market if they knew how but that doesn't mean everyone did; at least back then before the days of the interwebs. :P
My personal experience was seeing screen shots of games in magazines like EGM and running up long distance rates calling places in the back of the magazines hoping they had the titles in stock. :o
As for the CD-i having no good games, I'd largely agree as most people only focus on the Mario and Zelda games for it.
the only reason why people collect mainly the mario and zelda titles is just so that one has them since even hotel mario is not a good game.
The only good game on the cdi is dragon's lair wich is one of the best ports on the CDI.
One could argue that games like mutant rampage and the apprentice are good games because they are the best games on the cdi but in my opinion that is no excuse to call those good games since also those games are really mediocre.
If you like tetris you could argue that tetris on CDI is a good game, I'm one of those few persons that actually doesn't enjoy playing tetris. it's a trash game in my opinion.
Who shot Johnny Rock was a good game on CDi as was Burn Cycle. I also enjoyed Cluedo.
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I have a bit of a soft spot for the TG16. It's a pretty cool system, and is even better if you region mod it. It is expensive to collect for, but the Japanese versions of the games are usually cheaper, even with shipping. That's where the region mod comes in. As far as the library goes, Genesis wins easily. But I generally like weird stuff like the TG16, CDi, etc.
You can't compare the turbo grafx with the CDI since the CDI has no good games at all. All games are bad and even the best ones are really mediocre except for dragon's lair.
Besides in Japan it was a very normal console alongside the snes super famicom however in Japan the sega genesis/megadrive was the console that was pretty uncommon in japan while in the western countries it is the turbo grafx wich is uncommon.
I think his comparison is more in the vein that the TG16 was the odd man out system here as were systems like the CD-i, Jaguar, 3DO, etc. Yeah it was more mainstream in Japan, more so than the Mega Drive, but I think in his reference he was talking from the US point of view. One COULD tap into the PC-Engine market if they knew how but that doesn't mean everyone did; at least back then before the days of the interwebs. :P
My personal experience was seeing screen shots of games in magazines like EGM and running up long distance rates calling places in the back of the magazines hoping they had the titles in stock. :o
As for the CD-i having no good games, I'd largely agree as most people only focus on the Mario and Zelda games for it.
the only reason why people collect mainly the mario and zelda titles is just so that one has them since even hotel mario is not a good game.
The only good game on the cdi is dragon's lair wich is one of the best ports on the CDI.
One could argue that games like mutant rampage and the apprentice are good games because they are the best games on the cdi but in my opinion that is no excuse to call those good games since also those games are really mediocre.
If you like tetris you could argue that tetris on CDI is a good game, I'm one of those few persons that actually doesn't enjoy playing tetris. it's a trash game in my opinion.
Who shot Johnny Rock was a good game on CDi as was Burn Cycle. I also enjoyed Cluedo.
Someone has a fetisch for bad movies and ridiculously bad acting ::)
I appreciate bad acting and some of them movies are actually pretty good thanks to being bad, the cdi ones are just not in the same ball park as some of the classic bad movies or old action ninja flicks.
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I appreciate that they tried to do something different. Burn Cycle had interactive 3D rendered environments and more gameplay variety than other attempts at fmv. Johnny Rock was actually one of the more decent shooters at the time and it randomized who the villain was each time so replay value was pretty good for a light gun game. The CDi lightgun also still works on modern TVs because it's IR based.
Clue is a very boring board game to me. But having an interactive story to it held my interest.
All three titles showed the CDi was a very capable machine. If it had been utilized properly we could have had some great games with great audio and cutscenes back in the SNES era. That's mind blowing.
3DO had better games but the video/audio fidelity was not as good. Compare Johnny Rock on CDi to Johnny Rock on 3DO both using S-Video. Absolutely no contest.
I'm not saying the CDi is or was a great system. I'm just saying we only a few times got short glimpses of what it could have been. It turns out it could have been pretty great.
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Sorry for the double post. I blame ios10. ;)
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I appreciate that they tried to do something different. Burn Cycle had interactive 3D rendered environments and more gameplay variety than other attempts at fmv. Johnny Rock was actually a decent one of the more decent shooters and it randomized who the villain was each time so replay value was pretty good for a light gun game.
Clue is a very boring board game to me. But having an interactive story to it held my interest.
All three titles showed the CDi was a very capable machine. If it had been utilized properly we could have had some great games with great audio and cutscenes back in the SNES era. That's mind blowing.
3DO had better games but the video/audio fidelity was not as good. Compare Johnny Rock on CDi to Johnny Rock on 3DO both using S-Video. Absolutely no contest.
I'm not saying the CDi is or was a great system. I'm just saying we only a few times got short glimpses of what it could have been. It turns out it could have been pretty great.
Potential yes, but in my opinion the only good game wich is worth playing on the CDI is dragon's lair, a classic and one of the better arcade ports for a home console. Pretty nice attempt at showing the video capabilities of the CDI, unfortunately it is the only solid title wich is actually good and worth playing on the CDI.
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We'all just have to agree to disagree. :) clicking a button at the right time so the video keeps playing has never qualified as a legitimate game to me. :)
At least with the light gun dynamic there is some coordination involved. :)
Back on topic, I looked on eBay today and the prices of the more well known games (Adventure Island, Alien Crush, etc) are crazy! 3 games (complete) will run about $100-$200
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We'all just have to agree to disagree. :) clicking a button at the right time so the video keeps playing has never qualified as a legitimate game to me. :)
At least with the light gun dynamic there is some coordination involved. :)
Could say the same things about the games you mentioned, aside that they are less enjoyable than dragon's lair.
Anyways dragon's lair is a pretty hard game also in the CDi version it is randomized so you can''t write down wich buttons you want to press in the right order to cheat.
I'm not saying it is one of the best games ever, it is just the best game on the CDI IMO.
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We'all just have to agree to disagree. :) clicking a button at the right time so the video keeps playing has never qualified as a legitimate game to me. :)
At least with the light gun dynamic there is some coordination involved. :)
Could say the same things about the games you mentioned, aside that they are less enjoyable than dragon's lair.
Anyways dragon's lair is a pretty hard game also in the CDi version it is randomized so you can''t write down wich buttons you want to press in the right order to cheat.
I'm not saying it is one of the best games ever, it is just the best game on the CDI IMO.
Ya. I totally get it. Different tastes and all that. :)
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While the TG-16 is great for shoot-em up fans, the Genesis is no slouch in that department, either. So the one big strength TG-16 really has, Genesis is pretty dang good at, too, in addition to all the other stuff already pointed out.
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I prefer to collect for my TG-16 because of it's also-ran status. I'm thankful I acquired most of my collection before the TG-16 prices skyrocketed. That said, for actual playing games I prefer my Genesis/CD/32X Frankenstein monster because the library of games is obviously much larger and I can get very good Genesis games for about half of what I'd have to pay for a good TG-16 game. Sega CD games are starting to climb to ridiculous levels but Genesis titles generally are not thanks to their abundance.
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Genesis by far. I can't remember playing anything on TG-16 other than Bonk back in the day.
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Genesis for me!!!
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Game wise: Genesis; it has so many iconic and fun games. The number of games it has dwarfs the Turbo.
Hardware wise: Turbo all the way. I wish the library was larger then it would have actually stood a chance, rip.