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VGCollect Site Stuff => Video Game Database Discussion => Topic started by: washerdryercombo on September 25, 2016, 11:49:00 pm
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Does this case belong in the standard PSP Games category? I think it belongs more in a Swag category (Maybe make a new one under "Mock-up Case") as the game was never released on a UMD.
http://vgcollect.com/item/111601
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I feel like it should be left where it is. The case has an official product code and UPC on it. It should be treated no differently then a game with a code inside the box. If this gets moved, then Minecraft (Vita), MLB 15 (Vita), and Guardians of Middle Earth (PS3) should all be moved as well. I'm sure there's more out there with codes. Those are the few that came to mind though.
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The current description of the item says it is an part included in the PS4 physical release? How is the PSP portion packaged? Does it come with the PSP case or just the insert? If it comes with the case, is there an outer box or package that contains it and the PS4 game?
My first thinking is that it should not be in the game category either.
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The current description of the item says it is an part included in the PS4 physical release? How is the PSP portion packaged? Does it come with the PSP case or just the insert? If it comes with the case, is there an outer box or package that contains it and the PS4 game?
My first thinking is that it should not be in the game category either.
The PSP case was just an extra bonus add-in for those who ordered the physical PS4 version early. They made a PSP cover insert and an instruction manual and included those with an empty PSP case. The PSP game itself is just a cross-buy digital PSN title that can be played on PSP/Vita/PS3/PS4 and was emailed to buyers. Falls under the category of physical product but with digital game ... :/
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So it is a swag or it is a PSP/N game? To put it into the PSP digital category?
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So it is a swag or it is a PSP/N game? To put it into the PSP digital category?
That's the question, yup. We've been struggling with how best to handle these items...
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It comes with a PSP Case, Insert, & Manual. The only thing you don't get is a UMD. It has an Official Product code and Barcode on the Insert.
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1 thing of importance to note is that the case was pieced out. it shipped as a blank psp case, a outer cover, a Manuel, and had to be pieced together by the consumer.
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Is there a reason why it needs to be separate from the PS4 game? That's the other thing so far not mentioned.
Up until now, it was just pack-in items from systems can have separate entries, or additional games in non-system bundles, whereas game package and each individual game has their own entries. Then we have a situation or two where collector's edition items were included separately from the game where no outer containing box was used. Is there any other items in the DB that is splitting out non-game items like this we need to consider also?
@rayne315: I don't think the intent of the item matters in this situation. What I am wondering is how the item was packaged. When I look online, I only find pictures of the bundle where the PSP stuff and the PS4 game is separate. Is there an outer box that contains all this stuff, or was it sent with the game and PSP case being separate?
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I feel like it should remain separate from the PS4 version. What kind of a Collector is going to display or store it with their PS4 games? I display it with my PSP games. Because that's what it is. If I ever decide to part with it, I will not be parting with my PS4 copy as well. Going buy the logic of keeping it with the PS4 version then there should be another listing in the Database just for numbers 1 through 1000 who all received digital codes of the PSP/Vita/PS4/PS3 and Steam versions.
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To answer tripredacus's question, there was no outer box. In the shipping container there was:
- PS4 physical game box & disc (sealed)
- PSP empty box
- PSP cover art insert
- PSP manual
Technically, the publisher called the PSP items a "display set," which is probably why they were all packaged separately:
http://vblank.com/20160719.php
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I'd call it swag. There's no game disc, it's just a box. It's swag. It's for display only.
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I feel like it should remain separate from the PS4 version. What kind of a Collector is going to display or store it with their PS4 games?
We are talking about the database, not a person's own preferences on arranging or sorting their collection.
I think there are two options. Following the previous decision on Grand Kingdom, we can put these PSP items into the swag category. However, since these are platform specific items, it can also be put into PlayStation Portable Accessory.
http://vgcollect.com/browse/pspaccessory
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It should be treated the same as game cases that come with download codes only. If you received this item, you should have also received a download code.
If games like Lara Croft temple of osiris (PS4) is listed as physical, this too should.
http://vgcollect.com/item/73179
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And don't forget that only the first 1000 buyers got them.
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It should be treated the same as game cases that come with download codes only. If you received this item, you should have also received a download code.
If games like Lara Croft temple of osiris (PS4) is listed as physical, this too should.
http://vgcollect.com/item/73179
This. Its not a PSP accessory so it shouldn't be listed as that. An accessory is something that you use. You don't use this.
There are tons of games in the database that are download only but have a physical case, manual, insert. It should be treated just like those.
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It didn't come with a download code of the game though. The other games mentioned in the thread were retail display boxes for a digital code, this thing was just a box.
Should it go in the PC category because it technically came with a Steam key for the game? Probably not.
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It didn't come with a download code of the game though. The other games mentioned in the thread were retail display boxes for a digital code, this thing was just a box.
Should it go in the PC category because it technically came with a Steam key for the game? Probably not.
The only way to acquire this was to purchase the PS4 version, which came with a PSN key. In essence, you received the PSP case with a download code.
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It didn't come with a download code of the game though. The other games mentioned in the thread were retail display boxes for a digital code, this thing was just a box.
Should it go in the PC category because it technically came with a Steam key for the game? Probably not.
The only way to acquire this was to purchase the PS4 version, which came with a PSN key. In essence, you received the PSP case with a download code.
Well, technically, you received:
- a download code that activates the games for the PS3, PS4, PSP, and Vita simultaneously
- a download code that activates the game for PC, Mac, Linux, MS-DOS
- a PS4 disk and game case
- an empty PSP case with manual and artwork
I think with cross-platform digital titles in the past, we've allowed people to make an item record for each platform and the user can choose to pick and choose which ones they want to add to their collection. Some people want to add it for each platform, essentially creating multiple copies within their own collection while others prefer to just have one and leave it at that so as to not distort their collection numbers.
In my opinion, the easiest options for the box itself are to either
- list the PSP case as swag/merch
- list it under PSN (PSP) (though not all of us are fond of any physical items being stored in the digital category) with a note about the game having been emailed to purchasers
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I don't remember getting a PSN Key with my copy only the PC download.
I don't consider digital purchases part of my collection because of the possibility to lose access to them.
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I don't remember getting a PSN Key with my copy only the PC download.
I don't consider digital purchases part of my collection because of the possibility to lose access to them.
The first 1000 people received a PSN key. I received one. I hope it doesn't get moved to a digital category. I'll just remove it from my collection on here if it does.
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- list it under PSN (PSP)
It should be in this category (and all the relevant digital categories) anyways unless it cannot be purchased on PSN without buying this physical copy.
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- list it under PSN (PSP)
It should be in this category (and all the relevant digital categories) anyways unless it cannot be purchased on PSN without buying this physical copy.
By this logic you need to move Temple of Osiris, Guardians of Middle Earth, MLB 15 (Vita), Minecraft (Vita) and any other game with a digital code to a digital category. Even though you get a physical item, it makes no sense.
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- list it under PSN (PSP)
It should be in this category (and all the relevant digital categories) anyways unless it cannot be purchased on PSN without buying this physical copy.
By this logic you need to move Temple of Osiris, Guardians of Middle Earth, MLB 15 (Vita), Minecraft (Vita) and any other game with a digital code to a digital category. Even though you get a physical item, it makes no sense.
We are not contesting that you can go to the store, buy a physical game that has no media inside and has a code in it. That is the retail version of the game and should exist in the physical category. Any game that you can get on digital only, should be in the applicable digital category.
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- list it under PSN (PSP)
It should be in this category (and all the relevant digital categories) anyways unless it cannot be purchased on PSN without buying this physical copy.
By this logic you need to move Temple of Osiris, Guardians of Middle Earth, MLB 15 (Vita), Minecraft (Vita) and any other game with a digital code to a digital category. Even though you get a physical item, it makes no sense.
We are not contesting that you can go to the store, buy a physical game that has no media inside and has a code in it. That is the retail version of the game and should exist in the physical category. Any game that you can get on digital only, should be in the applicable digital category.
Even if there's a physical item? The items itself is not digital, only the game is. It makes absolutely no sense. To be honest if your going to move it. It makes more sense to put it as an accessory. Even though it should be considered as part of the official PSP library. If not it wouldn't have its own product code.
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The way the database it right now, yes that is how it should be. We can take your Minecraft (Vita) example. A person can go to the store and get the Minecraft Vita box and it has a download code in it. This is a physical item and should exist in the regular Vita category. If a person buys this, they can put this item into their collection.
You can go onto PSN and buy Minecraft for the Vita. This is a digital game and should exist in the appropriate PSN category. If a person buys this on PSN, they can put it into their collection.
Now, if a person buys the physical release Minecraft on Vita, they can choose to either add the one in the physical category, the one in the PSN category, or both. It is the user's decision how they want to add the items into their collection.
Please note that these examples do not apply to the Retro City Rampage DX PSP case, because it is a pack-in or item that came with a PS4 game, hence the discussion on how it should be sorted.