I don’t care for fanboyism anymore, and can find something I like in any system and I’ve been noticing a trend of of many gamers only liking Sony and Nintendo’s stuff and I never understood it. Though I’m not a fanboy, the original Xbox is my favorite system of all time because it didn’t require memory cards and because it’s easily moddable and is the most powerful of the 6th generation. Also Jet Set Radio Future. And I’m just stating facts, this isn’t fanboyism, I’m a huge fan of Ratchet and and Clank and Mariokart as well.. also I’m currently playing shenmue for the first time and loving it! So what’s the deal with many, especially retro gamers hating on Xbox? If someone has an actual reason for not liking it, I’d love to hear that, like if you don’t like the controller or something.
Games for Xbox worth owning:
Halo
Halo 2
...
...
...
I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube.
Games for Xbox worth owning:
Halo
Halo 2
...
...
...
I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube.
There's some fantastic exclusive games on original XBox not named Halo. Here's a list off the top of my head.
-Arx Fatalis
-Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (worth owning the system for this game alone, forget Halo)
-Fable
-Far Cry: Instinct
-Forza Motorsport
-Jade Empire (such an underrated and unique action-RPG)
-Oddworld: Munch's Odyssey
-Outrun II
-MechAssault 1 & 2
-Shenmue II
-Panzer Dragoon: Orta
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse
-Yager
^ I was just replying to the post about there only being Halo 1 & 2 on XBox. Didn't even touch on like 90% of the stuff you are replying to me about.
Yeah, PS2 had more exclusives, never said it didn't. Just saying there are plenty of exclusives that are good that aren't Halo 1 & 2. And if you haven't played Panzer Dragoon: Orta or Stubbs the Zombie, you are definitely missing out.
It's so cheap to own and collect for, and it has the best multiplatform versions of games, being the powerhouse console of that generation. To not own it, as a retro gamer, is a shame.
although you need batteries for the controllers and that can be a pain :(You don't, if you don't mind wires you can get a wired Xbox 360 controller, or turn a wireless one into a wired one. You can just simply plug the play and charge kit cable into the controller with no batteries (make sure the AA pack is in the controller), and voila, it's now a wired controller. I've done it before, it works well.
although you need batteries for the controllers and that can be a pain :(You don't, if you don't mind wires you can get a wired Xbox 360 controller, or turn a wireless one into a wired one. You can just simply plug the play and charge kit cable into the controller with no batteries (make sure the AA pack is in the controller), and voila, it's now a wired controller. I've done it before, it works well.
Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.
Games for Xbox worth owning:
Halo
Halo 2
...
...
...
I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube.
Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.
Xbox suffers from the double whammy of being too new (the early 2000s stuff is just barely turning the corner into retro proper), and too western- it's not surprising to think that retro gamers who've been soaked in Japanese companies & content their whole run might have a little trouble finding their place with an American one. I certainly did- I've only had an original Xbox for about a year & a half now.
Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.
Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.
When you aren't a PC gamer, PC games don't matter.
Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.
When you aren't a PC gamer, PC games don't matter.
Yeah I just think its funny that people dismiss PC out right. And people say PC gamers have a superiority complex?
The GTA and call of duty series are japanese yea sure ::) Pretty much all first person shooters are US
360 however is garbage. I bet over 20% of the systems were contaminated with the RROD and thats being modest probably.
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.
Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.
Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.
It's just fanboyism really.
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.
Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.
Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.
It's just fanboyism really.
not fanboyism really
The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.
As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.
That's the main reason if you would ask me time.
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.
Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.
Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.
It's just fanboyism really.
not fanboyism really
The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.
As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.
That's the main reason if you would ask me time.
That is the the most generic argument ever
That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S.
I don’t care for fanboyism anymore, and can find something I like in any system and I’ve been noticing a trend of of many gamers only liking Sony and Nintendo’s stuff and I never understood it. Though I’m not a fanboy, the original Xbox is my favorite system of all time because it didn’t require memory cards and because it’s easily moddable and is the most powerful of the 6th generation. Also Jet Set Radio Future. And I’m just stating facts, this isn’t fanboyism, I’m a huge fan of Ratchet and and Clank and Mariokart as well.. also I’m currently playing shenmue for the first time and loving it! So what’s the deal with many, especially retro gamers hating on Xbox? If someone has an actual reason for not liking it, I’d love to hear that, like if you don’t like the controller or something.
Because humans by their very nature desire conflict and are grossly argumentative. ;)
Most of the time it comes down to both the aforementioned and what system/company they primarily support for a long period of time due to factors such as system price and gaming selection based on their preferences. I've always wanted to (and have strived to) buy all systems and never had a real hate for a console or its games but more for the company running things. ie. Sony is a totalitarianism anti-consumer company where as Microsoft is stubborn to the core...same goes with Nintendo even more so (Japanese stubbornness > all). But having said that owning every system allows you to be open minded and those who refuse to buy the other competitor's products are closed minded individuals that will never change their mind and thus a fanboy is born. Life's too short to be a fanboy, just buy and enjoy everything.
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.
Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.
Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.
It's just fanboyism really.
not fanboyism really
The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.
As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.
That's the main reason if you would ask me time.
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.
Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.
Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.
It's just fanboyism really.
not fanboyism really
The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.
As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.
That's the main reason if you would ask me time.
That is the the most generic argument ever
That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S.
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.
Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.
Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.
It's just fanboyism really.
not fanboyism really
The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.
As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.
That's the main reason if you would ask me time.
I wouldn't consider other consoles superior, unless your sole determining factor is genre and you specifically want certain types of games that the Xbox doesn't have, like JRPGs. It's also difficult to fault any 6th gen console for lacking in 2D games, during the height of 3D game popularity. You might say the same about N64, which had few 2D style games and lacked in several genres. But for me, it was an excellent console, with plenty of greats within the genres I enjoy so there's no sense in me complaining that it wasn't more well rounded. I like 3D games just fine, so again can't complain about the lull during the late 90s / early 2000s.
I picked up most of my Xbox games years ago, mostly between $3 - $5 each, so it was no big deal for me to invest in an Xbox collection. Many of the games I got were not on PS2, although it's widely believed that most which are, actually look and play better on Xbox. Xbox supports 480p a lot more often than PS2, I believe. Xbox is most worthwhile if you enjoy games from the early 2000s, if you were big into PC games at that time, or were disappointed when Dreamcast came to an end. If you aren't nostalgic for that era, then maybe not. But if you're a gamer/collector with a broad focus and interest on console gaming, then Xbox is a relatively low price of admission you can't go wrong with.
On the other hand, Atari Jaguar, you can go wrong with. You can pay step price for the console, and find out there were about 70s games. Most of which aren't exactly cheap, many of which were not exclusive, and the rest of which are of questionable quality at best. Xbox is not Atari Jaguar.
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.
Very expensive. But it does have its gems:
Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)
Off the top of my head.
There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.
Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.
Very expensive. But it does have its gems:
Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)
Off the top of my head.
There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.
Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.
Fair enough personally no experience with the jaguar so who am I to judge.
As far as xbox goes
coin ops is pretty good for those arcade game and console emulators, doesn't help the xbox library though as far as this topic goes.
That being said allot of people use a retro pi or something for emulating arcade games and such but the xbox is a cheaper option.
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.
Very expensive. But it does have its gems:
Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)
Off the top of my head.
There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.
Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.
Very expensive. But it does have its gems:
Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)
Off the top of my head.
There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.
Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.
Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs.
I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess.
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.
Very expensive. But it does have its gems:
Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)
Off the top of my head.
There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.
Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.
Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs.
I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess.
I agree with you on all counts. (I actually own 10 original Xbox consoles because I keep finding them for $10 and can’t help myself).
I also see and understand other folks feeling differently.
Depending on the game/experience I’m looking for $10 is not a big deal to me. I own many copies of several games across platforms. Sometimes I get them as an homage to the accomplishment. There is no practical reason to own a Jaguar. As you said, better cheaper alternatives exist for all but AvP and Iron Soldier. But I respect the American made console and what it managed to get right at the time and want to own that part of history. I wonder what might have been if their original plan to have AvP available at launch had panned out. It’s damn impressive for the time. No other console could even come close to reproducing that game at the time.
Some folks don’t want to/can’t part with $1. Depending on their budget/circumstances that’s entirely legitimate. So each purchase is a careful choice for them that has to fall in their comfort zone.
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.
Very expensive. But it does have its gems:
Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)
Off the top of my head.
There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.
Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.
Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs.
I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess.
I agree with you on all counts. (I actually own 10 original Xbox consoles because I keep finding them for $10 and can’t help myself).
I also see and understand other folks feeling differently.
Depending on the game/experience I’m looking for $10 is not a big deal to me. I own many copies of several games across platforms. Sometimes I get them as an homage to the accomplishment. There is no practical reason to own a Jaguar. As you said, better cheaper alternatives exist for all but AvP and Iron Soldier. But I respect the American made console and what it managed to get right at the time and want to own that part of history. I wonder what might have been if their original plan to have AvP available at launch had panned out. It’s damn impressive for the time. No other console could even come close to reproducing that game at the time.
Some folks don’t want to/can’t part with $1. Depending on their budget/circumstances that’s entirely legitimate. So each purchase is a careful choice for them that has to fall in their comfort zone.
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.
Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.
Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.
It's just fanboyism really.
not fanboyism really
The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.
As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.
That's the main reason if you would ask me time.
That is the the most generic argument ever
That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S.
I think their point was, popularity wise, if most people have a PS 2 (It did sell way more consoles) and a backlog for that system that’s a big enough investment to deter them from seeking out another console that will grow that backlog and delay them finishing the one they already have on their console of choice.
Like if my lease hasn’t expired on my current car and it’s getting the job done... why even explore getting another just yet?
I kinda get it.
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.
Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.
Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.
It's just fanboyism really.
not fanboyism really
The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.
As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.
That's the main reason if you would ask me time.
That is the the most generic argument ever
That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S.
I think their point was, popularity wise, if most people have a PS 2 (It did sell way more consoles) and a backlog for that system that’s a big enough investment to deter them from seeking out another console that will grow that backlog and delay them finishing the one they already have on their console of choice.
Like if my lease hasn’t expired on my current car and it’s getting the job done... why even explore getting another just yet?
I kinda get it.
I understood that fine, I just think it's a stupid argument. That's a personal problem, not an XBox as a brand or a console problem. Your backlog is your fault, not XBox's.
I'm an XBox fanboy? It's not that you seem to have an illogical hate for XBox? Because you've replied to every positive reply in this thread with a wall of text. You are the type of person this thread is exactly about.
I own consoles from all major companies. I'm not a fanboy of any one of them, in particular. And the only major console maker I dislike is Atari.
Xbox is not so much ignored, as neglected. We haven't yet reached the age where the younger crowd are nostalgic for it. It was not my console of choice that generation, so I'll never feel much nostalgia for it myself. But I like the fact that it's a powerhouse, custom soundtracks and no memory cards are a thing on it, and that a lot of the shovel-ware stayed away from the console. Less shovel-ware overall, compared to the "massive" PS2 library. Sometime being the console that's best at certain things *cough* N64, is better than being the jack of many trades.... ;)
Games for Xbox worth owning:
Halo
Halo 2
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I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube.
There's some fantastic exclusive games on original XBox not named Halo. Here's a list off the top of my head.
-Arx Fatalis
-Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (worth owning the system for this game alone, forget Halo)
-Fable
-Far Cry: Instinct
-Forza Motorsport
-Jade Empire (such an underrated and unique action-RPG)
-Oddworld: Munch's Odyssey
-Outrun II
-MechAssault 1 & 2
-Shenmue II
-Panzer Dragoon: Orta
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse
-Yager
Xbox is not so much ignored, as neglected. We haven't yet reached the age where the younger crowd are nostalgic for it. It was not my console of choice that generation, so I'll never feel much nostalgia for it myself. But I like the fact that it's a powerhouse, custom soundtracks and no memory cards are a thing on it, and that a lot of the shovel-ware stayed away from the console. Less shovel-ware overall, compared to the "massive" PS2 library. Sometime being the console that's best at certain things *cough* N64, is better than being the jack of many trades.... ;)
shovelware should not be a concern at all if there is plenty of good stuff to be had. For ps2 I would estimate that for my personal taste there are around 400 450 good games imports included, to others 600 + if we include some genre's that I don't like including survival horror for ps2. I can't say the same for other consoles.
for rpg's I think many would consider the ps2 a master aside from being a jack of all trades, I will agree that N64 has some very strong points for party games and masters that very well aside from 3d platforming adventure collect a ton games.
Xbox is not so much ignored, as neglected. We haven't yet reached the age where the younger crowd are nostalgic for it. It was not my console of choice that generation, so I'll never feel much nostalgia for it myself. But I like the fact that it's a powerhouse, custom soundtracks and no memory cards are a thing on it, and that a lot of the shovel-ware stayed away from the console. Less shovel-ware overall, compared to the "massive" PS2 library. Sometime being the console that's best at certain things *cough* N64, is better than being the jack of many trades.... ;)
shovelware should not be a concern at all if there is plenty of good stuff to be had. For ps2 I would estimate that for my personal taste there are around 400 450 good games imports included, to others 600 + if we include some genre's that I don't like including survival horror for ps2. I can't say the same for other consoles.
for rpg's I think many would consider the ps2 a master aside from being a jack of all trades, I will agree that N64 has some very strong points for party games and masters that very well aside from 3d platforming adventure collect a ton games.
600 worthwhile games on the PS2? That sounds like a stretch. I wouldn't know about imports, because I just don't import. The language barrier isn't worth it to me, and that's where I would roll out the argument that with all of the native releases I do have, why should I bide my time on imports that I can't really understand?
I've never found any console to have more than 200 games that really appeal to me and when I do, it's including titles of questionable quality. With certain genres excluded of course, like fighting, strategy, sports, and others that I don't really get into. I have just over 200 on PS2, and within the genres I do like there may be a dozen more I still feel are worth getting out of over 2,000 titles. There may be some I'm overlooking, but doubt that it's hundreds more.
Shovel-ware isn't really a concern so much but the more there is on a console, the more it obscures worthwhile titles. When I walk into my local game store, there is an entire room dedicated to PS2, but a lot of it is crap (and 10 copies each) and not necessarily the good titles everyone is after, because PS2 was very mainstream and many people bought crappy stuff on it. They have a separate glass case for the worthwhile PS2 games. The Xbox and GameCube selections are about 1/4th the size, but also with much less crap to filter through.
Wii is the same way. Wii library is massive, but most of it is crappy. Plenty of good ones if you dig, and do your homework. But there's something to said for consoles that don't have a bounty of shovel-ware on them at all.
I mean, just look at this behemoth of a controller! Who in their right mind thought this was a good idea?!(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SAAYYMB9L._SX425_.jpg)
I was already used to the Dreamcast controller, which I had right before my Xbox. So the controller never was a big deal for me. Even then, the smaller controller came out pretty quickly. So it's not like it's deal breaker, like the N64's controllers.
I think when it comes down to it, the main factor is the lack of exclusives, I can only think of a handfull & when you then compare it the monster line up the PS2 has... it really can't compete.
I've been gathering more orginal Xbox games recently due to the value with backwards compatibility on the 360 and I've found a few hidden gems for sure, so I think it is an okay system but certainly not one of my favourites.
I have to say some of the early xbox original games had way better graphics than what the PlayStation 2 had in it's early stages.
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have 8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think
Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.
I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.
I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have 8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think
Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.
I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.
I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while
It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have 8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think
Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.
I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.
I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while
It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.
Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die
To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.
kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have 8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think
Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.
I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.
I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while
It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.
Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die
To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.
kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems
Sony had plenty of problems with the YLOD on the PS3. Only the Original Xbox 360's had the red ring of death. Same with Sony and the YLOD. both a bunch of had problems with their early models, both corrected them. All consoles have some problems, and most will die someday.
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have 8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think
Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.
I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.
I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while
It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.
Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die
To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.
kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have 8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think
Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.
I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.
I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while
It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.
Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die
To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.
kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems
My original Xbox has a loud fan but it survived a long game session. I am hoping that this one will last, the clock is not working at all and so far it appears that the blocks don't count when the data is being used.
this console looks well cared for and so far nothing I purchased from Disc Replay is junk.
Disc replay actually fully test all consoles before selling them again, I seen them do it with another person who brought in a broken PlayStation 2, they refused to pay them anything for bringing in their broken PlayStation 2 I overheard their conversation and they didn't take it, and they were testing it just behind their counter.
it might be a modded console because it came with an electric eye inside the 4th controller slot, I don't know what that does
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have 8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think
Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.
I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.
I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while
It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.
Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die
To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.
kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems
I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while
it might be a modded console because it came with an electric eye inside the 4th controller slot, I don't know what that does
Oh, I doubt it. I didn't clear any data off my Xbox when I got it, becuase it's a hand-me-down. My fiance bought it new back around release. Then when he got a 360 he gave it to his brother. Then he gave it to his sister. Then it sat unused in the back of her entertainment center until I claimed it. So that guy's got 4 people's worth of save files, copied music, etc. and it's still got plenty of room left.
If it comes out, it's probably the sensor for the remote control- Xboxes can play DVDs just like PS2, but you needed to get a kit to get it going.
Regardless of your serial number, if you have to reset the clock when you turn it on, find a repair guy & get your unit looked at- that's a sign that you could have a bad cap. If it advances, you'll start to see the unit turn itself on & possibly issues with the disc tray ejecting on its own.
If you act fast, everything will be fine- when my Xbox started turning itself on, I found a semi-local shop (about an hour away) & actually mailed it in becuase I couldn't make the trip up right away. They actually couldn't find any sign the capacitor was leaking, so either I caught it very early or I'd picked up some corrosion elsewhere. Either way, they pulled the cap for me & did a general refurb of the whole thing, & it's been great since. Even took care of the finicky disc drive (it didn't like to eject on startup.)
Of course, it's entirely possible the previous owner already had the cap pulled & that's why your clock is weird. If it keeps time while plugged in, check the bottom for signs it's been opened- you could be fine. I doubt it's been modded- by my experience most modded systems are running custom firmware, so if yours has the regular startup/menus, I doubt anything's been done.