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Title: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: nastybagl on December 05, 2017, 01:19:01 pm
I don’t care for fanboyism anymore, and can find something I like in any system and I’ve been noticing a trend of of many gamers only liking Sony and Nintendo’s stuff and I never understood it. Though I’m not a fanboy, the original Xbox is my favorite system of all time because it didn’t require memory cards and because it’s easily moddable and is the most powerful of the 6th generation. Also Jet Set Radio Future. And I’m just stating facts, this isn’t fanboyism, I’m a huge fan of Ratchet and and Clank and Mariokart as well.. also I’m currently playing shenmue for the first time and loving it! So what’s the deal with many, especially retro gamers hating on Xbox? If someone has an actual reason for not liking it, I’d love to hear that, like if you don’t like the controller or something.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 05, 2017, 01:39:07 pm
It's the games the library of this console

It's just a sony console with pretty much only realistic games shooters racers simulation etc you name it

While there are other games they are far and few in between not to mention there are no memorable mascots for this system except for halo if you like shooters.

Also many games that were released were also on other systems not to mention there were less releases on xbox way less.

There are no rpg's there are no good 2D platformers there are very few interesting games in other genre's than shooters and racing there are no interesting action adventure games such as mario or excellent ps2 titles such as ico and shadow of the collosus just to name some examples.

No cool 2D games no great party 2D 3d games like with other consoles. There are some but the quality is lacking allot in comparison.

I find it a very mediocre system with a few gems here and there as far as exclusives go It's a very bland system with few unique games. It's pretty logical why not many like the system. It has not much to offer.

The only positive thing I would give it compare to other systems is that the prices are low except for some of the better games wich still are relatively low.

Sony has all kinds of games for everyone realistic 2d 3D party games etc, nintendo has the best Ip's mascots while xbox kinda pales in comparison within all these aspects.

Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: burningdoom on December 05, 2017, 01:58:54 pm
There's fanboys of all the major console companies. (There are XBox ones, as well. I'm in an XBox group on Facebook.) Unfortunately, those fanboys often make console wars into a pissing contest, take it far to seriously, and ruin many groups/boards online.

Personally, I'm a gamer of all consoles. If I can afford it, and there's more than a handful of games I want to play on it, I'm interested in it.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: azure on December 05, 2017, 02:07:02 pm
I really like the OG Xbox, it has some fantastic games. That being said the PS2 just dominated that generation, and arguably has a far superior library to that of the OG Xbox. I don't really understand any hate it would get though, some individuals just dislike the Xbox brand as a whole for various reasons, I've noticed.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: marvelvscapcom2 on December 05, 2017, 02:10:53 pm
I don’t care for fanboyism anymore, and can find something I like in any system and I’ve been noticing a trend of of many gamers only liking Sony and Nintendo’s stuff and I never understood it. Though I’m not a fanboy, the original Xbox is my favorite system of all time because it didn’t require memory cards and because it’s easily moddable and is the most powerful of the 6th generation. Also Jet Set Radio Future. And I’m just stating facts, this isn’t fanboyism, I’m a huge fan of Ratchet and and Clank and Mariokart as well.. also I’m currently playing shenmue for the first time and loving it! So what’s the deal with many, especially retro gamers hating on Xbox? If someone has an actual reason for not liking it, I’d love to hear that, like if you don’t like the controller or something.

It might be because Xbox debuted in the 2000s and isn't really retro or nostalgic yet so it lost a lot of that charm Nintendo and Sony have obtained throughout the decades. Sony and Nintendo both had their hat in the ring long before so maybe they developed a lot more nostalgia and sentimental value form childhood memories. :).  I'm not sure if you mean Xbox as a brand or just the original but if you mean the whole company, It's also an easy punching bag because of the red ring of death moniker that became so popular which made the Xbox as a console brand look inferior and non durable. 

I actually very rarely see retro lovers/collectors hating on modern consoles in general.  But it might be just because I stay on wholesome communities like this one. I always try to avoid and usually leave groups where it's just a flame war contest every day of people arguing instead of actually enjoying their games.  I never got the flame war on either side.  I always say play what you like and let others do the same. :)

For me Xbox in general has incredible first party franchises especially with both shooters and racers and is known for 2 generations in a row with amazing if not flawless controllers. :D.   I think all 3 major companies have amazing legacies and tons of pros and cons to be discussed :D. 
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: bikingjahuty on December 05, 2017, 02:29:38 pm
I welcome all the hate and disinterest; the original XBOX was probably the easiest, most affordable console to collect for and was the first console where I obtained every game I was after. I don't think I spend over $15 for any OG XBOX games, even really rare stuff like Operation Genesis. It is sad though that it doesn't get more love and appreciation since it has so much more to offer than just Halo and Halo 2. I actually like the XBOX more than the GC in terms of Gen 6 consoles.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: telly on December 05, 2017, 02:37:19 pm
Other than the awful reliability issues, I don't really get the hate for the X360 either. It's a solid console with a good library. And it has a lovely controller.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: hexen on December 05, 2017, 04:13:43 pm
Games for Xbox worth owning:
Halo
Halo 2
...
...
...

I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: burningdoom on December 05, 2017, 04:50:10 pm
Games for Xbox worth owning:
Halo
Halo 2
...
...
...

I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube.

There's some fantastic exclusive games on original XBox not named Halo. Here's a list off the top of my head.

-Arx Fatalis
-Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (worth owning the system for this game alone, forget Halo)
-Fable
-Far Cry: Instinct
-Forza Motorsport
-Jade Empire (such an underrated and unique action-RPG)
-Oddworld: Munch's Odyssey
-Outrun II
-MechAssault 1 & 2
-Shenmue II
-Panzer Dragoon: Orta
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse
-Yager
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 05, 2017, 05:03:32 pm
Games for Xbox worth owning:
Halo
Halo 2
...
...
...

I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube.

There's some fantastic exclusive games on original XBox not named Halo. Here's a list off the top of my head.

-Arx Fatalis
-Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (worth owning the system for this game alone, forget Halo)
-Fable
-Far Cry: Instinct
-Forza Motorsport
-Jade Empire (such an underrated and unique action-RPG)
-Oddworld: Munch's Odyssey
-Outrun II
-MechAssault 1 & 2
-Shenmue II
-Panzer Dragoon: Orta
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse
-Yager

yes there some but it's quite a small list not to mention i would say half of those titles are semi good not excellent or beyond or even worth it to get an xbox.

and while gamecube has just a little bit more titles worth owning than xbox if were including mediocre good xbox titles that is pretty much all of those gamecube titles are actually excellent memorable titles. also allot of good first party titles with memorable characters, while gamecube has way fewer games than ps2 the games that are in those genres are excellent and usually better than ps2. I mean in party games gamecube dominates compared to ps2 the games are colourfull and the mascots are indestructable, and even in rpg's while the gamecube has few they are better than the best old school rpg's on the ps2. skies of arcadia and path of radiance are better than any ps2 rpg in my opinion. also action platformers adventure games mario and zelda are pretty hard to beat really not many ps2 mascots that could hold a candle to that.

 while allot of those xbox titles are semi good but far from excellent with some exceptions not to mention non memorable characters.

In comparison to ps2 with og xbox not only is the quality better on ps2 also a hell lot more games worth owning and also plenty of memorable games.

Yes there are a few great xbox games but there are very few titles wich are actually worth it to get an xbox. Not to mention that those great games are not super great especially when you would compare them to the best games on other consoles from that generation or many other consoles period.

I could easily ignore xbox.

It has like 2 shoot em ups not even some decently good ones
it has very few rpg's not even normal ones like ps2 or gamecube.
no memorable mascots.
no interesting action platformers 2d or 3d
Pretty much no excellent memorable games compared to other consoles

just to name some examples.

It is only fair why so many people ignore the xbox. There is not much that the xbox gives compared to other consoles from that generation or allot of the older retro consoles unless were talking about atari esk consoles or handhelds than yes xbox is far superior. People are not missing out if they never get an xbox.

It is better than some older consoles I'll give it that but that's not really something to boast about.





Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: burningdoom on December 05, 2017, 06:09:35 pm
^ I was just replying to the post about there only being Halo 1 & 2 on XBox. Didn't even touch on like 90% of the stuff you are replying to me about.

Yeah, PS2 had more exclusives, never said it didn't. Just saying there are plenty of exclusives that are good that aren't Halo 1 & 2. And if you haven't played Panzer Dragoon: Orta or Stubbs the Zombie, you are definitely missing out.

It's so cheap to own and collect for, and it has the best multiplatform versions of games, being the powerhouse console of that generation. To not own it, as a retro gamer, is a shame.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 05, 2017, 06:27:42 pm
^ I was just replying to the post about there only being Halo 1 & 2 on XBox. Didn't even touch on like 90% of the stuff you are replying to me about.

Yeah, PS2 had more exclusives, never said it didn't. Just saying there are plenty of exclusives that are good that aren't Halo 1 & 2. And if you haven't played Panzer Dragoon: Orta or Stubbs the Zombie, you are definitely missing out.

It's so cheap to own and collect for, and it has the best multiplatform versions of games, being the powerhouse console of that generation. To not own it, as a retro gamer, is a shame.

Actually I have and while they are great there are far better games on the other consoles.

Also speaking of power houses it doesn't really matter I mean even the gamecube had double the power of a ps2 console wich is kinda insane to me but I will say that the games look more polished at least for the games that I like on gamecube. I mean gta etc are pretty impressive on ps2 if your into that kind of stuff.

Yes some games are slightly better thanks to the power of xbox but only for very few games is it actually important since most of those games didn't age well. Not to mention the improvements aren't that big for games like outrun 2006, but it could be a solid reason for the star wars games wich are pricy on xbox.

Still though since your so big on xbox I'm pretty suprised that your didn't mention or even own any of the otogi games wich are in my opinion the best games to have or play on xbox o well ::)

I would still say that people are not missing out on much, stubbs zombie can be played on pc for cheap, you can get physical copies probably better than the console version and as far as orta goes you could always go to the sega saturn.

For people who are fan of old games and not really the normal mainstream 3d games I mean shenmue II wasn't released on the dreamcast in the US so I guess that's a nice reason since you can't play it anywhere else. Also arguably pretty much all of the sega games. still though It has not much to offer in comparison and not only compared to ps2 or gamecube pretty much all good consoles except for atari esk ones. So not only from It's generation does it have less to offer but compared to many.

Also saying that owning an xbox is a must for a retrogamer is pretty bold considering it has very few actually good retro games. Allot of games on xbox are ps3 ps4 games with bad grapics, barely any retro games on there if I'm honest especially compared to ps2 and gamecube.

I'm not saying it is a bad console I'm just stating some facts why the xbox is ignored by many wich seems very reasonable in my eyes.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: badATchaos on December 05, 2017, 07:28:56 pm
Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: Flashback2012 on December 05, 2017, 07:37:53 pm
I don't hate the Xbox systems but I have a severe disdain for them. I had to replace my launch Xbox and came to find out that my replacement system was also experiencing issues. I was a peon in the GameStop system when the 360 launched so I lived through the extremely shorted pre-order debacle as well as the systems that had RROD and E-174 issues right out of the gate. Of course customers blamed US and not Microsoft for this.  :-\

It used to be that if there was a multi-platform game, I would opt for the Xbox version as it would be the "superior" release. Well once I experienced issues with my replacement Xbox, that "logic" went by the wayside pretty quickly and I instead opted for the Cube or PS2 version over Xbox. I would still buy Xbox console exclusives if I found them for a good price and I did this for Xbox 360 releases even though it wouldn't be till 2013 before I finally decided it was "safe" enough to buy a Xbox 360 (the Xbox One had launched by this time).

Because of the issues I experienced with both the Xbox and 360, I still to this day cannot bring myself to purchase the Xbox version of a multi-platform release. The only Xbox One games I picked up on Black Friday were console exclusive releases as I would always opt for the PS4 release instead. While my Xbox One has been nothing but impeccable since I acquired it, I've had this lingering thought in my head that it's a matter of when, not if, the system is going to fail and I'm going to need to replace it.  :(
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: pizzasafari on December 05, 2017, 08:00:29 pm
I love the original Xbox. People only think it has no games because Microsoft did an awful job of marketing anything that wasn't Halo. Sega was pretty much exclusively an Xbox game developer after the Dreamcast sank, everything that wasn't made by Sonic Team was Xbox exclusive and they put out some REALLY good stuff that gen. Plenty of good stuff outside of Sega games too. And not having limited memory for the first time was such a relief. I look back on it fondly and I have no idea why anyone wouldn't.

And I know some of the games we consider to be exclusives aren't technically exclusives since they're on PC too, but I don't really like playing games on PC and I don't think I'm alone in that, so to people like us they're basically exclusive.

Objectively PS2 is superior, sure, but Xbox is great too.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: oldgamerz on December 05, 2017, 08:55:03 pm
like most have said, the xbox original has a small library of exclusives. But I recommend having a Xbox360 slim rather then an xbox original because it is mostly backwards compatible. And, you can get a huge 500 gig hard drive for it. But i rarely use my xbox 360 and am mostly on my PS3 super slim because it is better overall in my opinion. As far as a PS2 goes yea, way better system of the 6th generation  if you can get memory cards for $5.00 or less that is.

 it is harder to change an xbox original hardrive to something bigger and once you use that all up you need to start to delete some of your game progress files. where in the PS2 just buy another memory card and store them in something.

If you like original Xbox I recommend the Xbox 360  slim. and get one in decent shape. it should last a short while, at least ::) and buy a 500 gig hardrive but remember it has to be an exclusive xbox 360 only harddirve not any other kind. you can buy them off walmart.com for under $50.00 as off 2-5-2017

installing a 360 slim hardrive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSBsvEzc7Tk


although you need batteries for the controllers and that can be a pain :(
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: bigonanime on December 05, 2017, 09:12:02 pm
There is hate for the original Xbox? The original Xbox for me was my first console when I was a kid, and I still love it. Wish I could currently use mine (I do have an Xbox 360, so some games can still be played), but I have to reflow the Foxlink PSU (https://youtu.be/nhrzqrA51AY?t=8m39s) as it now makes the crackling noise and is thus now a fire hazard. That's what the power cable recall was about over a decade ago, though the newer cable doesn't solve the issue and I no longer have that one.

Anyway, to bring up some other exclusives nobody brought up that I find to be good...

-Blinx: The Time Sweeper
-Blinx 2: Masters of Time & Space
-Dead or Alive Ultimate
-Fuzion Frenzy
-Midtown Madness 3
-Project Gotham Racing
-Project Gotham Racing 2
-RalliSport Challenge

Then of course, again how it usually would offer the best experience on the multiplats. Get one of the two official component cables that also allows you to use optical audio (because Microsoft stupidly never put an optical audio port directly on the console-never happened until Xbox 360 S (E doesn't have it) and Xbox One), and man, the experience you can get with that thing.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: 98dgreen on December 05, 2017, 09:13:21 pm
I don't hate the Xbox but to me the controller is the most important part of a system so consoles like the N64 Wii and Xbox original games that are not backwards compatible on the 360 don't get much play time.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: bigonanime on December 05, 2017, 09:19:03 pm
although you need batteries for the controllers and that can be a pain :(
You don't, if you don't mind wires you can get a wired Xbox 360 controller, or turn a wireless one into a wired one. You can just simply plug the play and charge kit cable into the controller with no batteries (make sure the AA pack is in the controller), and voila, it's now a wired controller. I've done it before, it works well.

People give Microsoft crap for requiring AA batteries, but it's better long-term, though it would be nice if they included the play and charge kit right out of the box. AA batteries aren't proprietary and can easily be replaced. Proprietary batteries are more of a pain to replace when they inevitably die/have little life left. I have to do this on my first two Game Boy Advance SPs, I get only 1 hour of battery life out of them now and have to take a chance on third-party batteries.

Also see: The pain PSP owners have had for years as the only good battery (the Sony one) is long discontinued-though the PSP can still be used with the AC adapter and no battery thankfully.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: 98dgreen on December 05, 2017, 09:33:17 pm
although you need batteries for the controllers and that can be a pain :(
You don't, if you don't mind wires you can get a wired Xbox 360 controller, or turn a wireless one into a wired one. You can just simply plug the play and charge kit cable into the controller with no batteries (make sure the AA pack is in the controller), and voila, it's now a wired controller. I've done it before, it works well.



Charging kit is a must
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: gecko101 on December 05, 2017, 10:52:18 pm
I don't like it because it's an ugly, massive, western looking console. It just screams American early 2000s design, and that rubs me the wrong way. The first controller was massive, and the console is shaped like a massive X. Thanks, but I don't have room for that. I guess I'm a stickler for aesthetics. Japanese console design is much better.

Plus, because it was a console for a US market, it's lacking a lot in the games I like to play. Western games just have a different feel and aesthetic design, and that's just not my thing. It's a shame the Xbox holds so many amazing SEGA games. That's its saving grace. I'm just waiting for emulation so I can play them.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: emporerdragon on December 06, 2017, 12:31:43 am
Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.

Pretty sure most people are using the term exclusive to point out games that weren't available on the console competition, not whether or not there was a PC version (And to keep in mind that gaming PCs, or at least a PC that can play games, weren't really as commonplace then as they are nowadays). Also, both KOTORs came out for the Xbox several months before they did for the PC.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: hoshichiri on December 06, 2017, 09:10:13 am
Xbox suffers from the double whammy of being too new (the early 2000s stuff is just barely turning the corner into retro proper), and too western- it's not surprising to think that retro gamers who've been soaked in Japanese companies & content their whole run might have a little trouble finding their place with an American one. I certainly did- I've only had an original Xbox for about a year & a half now.

Games for Xbox worth owning:
Halo
Halo 2
...
...
...

I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube.

Xbox actually has a notable set of exclusive titles- about 200 of them, in fact*. Xbox never really pushed the easily marketable mascot type games. Couple that with the PS2's utter dominance in the era, and it's an easy console to overlook. But if you're willing to actually dig a bit and really look into it, there's lots of good to be had.

I'd consider looking into Sega's offerings on the system as a starter- Gun Valkyrie, the Otogi games, and Panzer Dragoon Orta are all system sellers for me.

Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.

And now for my asterisk from earlier- *console exclusives. Yes, there's a few titles that made the jump to PC, but most folks really keep the two as separate entities. I certainly do- hell, I don't even have a steam account, PC releases mean nothing to me.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 06, 2017, 09:51:13 am
Xbox suffers from the double whammy of being too new (the early 2000s stuff is just barely turning the corner into retro proper), and too western- it's not surprising to think that retro gamers who've been soaked in Japanese companies & content their whole run might have a little trouble finding their place with an American one. I certainly did- I've only had an original Xbox for about a year & a half now.
 

The GTA and call of duty series are  japanese yea sure  ::) Pretty much all first person shooters are US

Pretty much all games that aged badly or some that are great were made in the US especially during the ps2 era

EA currenly mainly sports formerly also very interesting platformers rpg´s etc pretty huge US company even today. Tons of ea games on sega and tons on ps1 onwards

god war etc not to mention rare wich already died but still.

For the mainstream there were plenty of non japanese games I would even say that the non japanese games dominated the markets till even today, while the japan influenced ones were the niche with pretty mediocre sales with some exceptions like final fantasy and kingdom hearts mario pokemon.

Halo was made by microsoft again not japanese very succesfull.

The xbox did pretty well back in the day it wasn´t a bust not as great as ps2 but the xbox was very expensive compared to the ps2 wich is a reason why ps2 was so succefull. I would not say that the games on ps2 would have given such high sales but rather It´s price point.

The mainstream games were just as good on xbox, niche titles would not make that big of a difference. also if am not mistaken the ps2 was cheaper than a dvd player so it was also bought just for that.

Xbox was powerfull and all but they did´t make good use of the xbox hardware, it was also pretty tough to develop games on the ps2 thanks to It´s limited power pretty much 4 times less but yet they managed to make the difference pretty minimal. Price is more powerfull than power it seems.

 Xbox It´s just a console with many games that didn´t age well however back in the day such games did sell since people were especially into 3D realistic games. Shooters racing etc those are the ones that sell the best, xbox did great in that regard. However with such games usually newer means better It´s just how the world works.

also it might have 200 excusives but only a small fraction is actually good, not all exclusives can be good.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: shfan on December 06, 2017, 11:46:25 am
They do?  :-\

Welp.. I'd agree with a lot of what's said here regarding things like the system/xbox range still being a little new to be seen as particularly retro, having limited exclusives in comparison to the PS2 and Cube and being a great big lump of a thing. I think another thing which may put off retro gamers is the era of the system coupled with the lack of interest from Japanese developers - the PS1/Saturn/N64 era saw the move to (hideous) 3D and the erosion or disappearance of many genres, particularly in 2D games, those that were left tended to be produced in Japan. By the time we get to the PS2 era, Western studios are churning out FPS, action-adventure/3rd person shooters, vanilla action adventure, sports/racing and very little else, that's the Xbox's range with a few exceptions. PS2? Survival horrors, weird Japanese budget games (Simple Series), classic shoot 'em ups, Kingdom fricking Hearts, you name it. Nintendo trots out its usual fare (which is nonetheless delicious) and also benefits from some quirky exclusives.
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That said, there are still exclusives on the system (notably the 'Dreamcast 2' range from Sega), I really enjoyed Voodoo Vince, thought it was a great little platformer. It's also very affordable (as said) and has a catalogue of great games - it's just that the majority are not exclusive and are Western, so it works well as an add-on system to one or both of the others rather than the only console to own from the era.

(I never owned an Xbox when they were current, I picked up a system for buttons and then bought scores of games for 50p ea. from a game chain in the UK that was clearing out their stock of older titles, my Xbox collection was seriously cheap).
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: medisto on December 06, 2017, 12:42:43 pm
As a shmup lover the 360 was by far the superior system of the last generation IMO. And quite a few Japanese only titles were region free too.
I always felt the PS3 was cumbersome and annoying to operate. Never liked the system. Many great games for it, though.

This generation I think the PS4 craps all over the Xbone. I own both systems. Only XB1 exclusive I've really cared for yet was Raiden V and that's no longer exclusive after a superior version was recently released for the PS4. I'm also totally digging Cuphead and believe it to be a small masterpiece exclusive to the XB1, but since it's not released in physical form the game doesn't really exist as far as I'm concerned :)
Speaking of digital only: Shame on you Xbox One, your physical game library pales compared to the PS4.

Haven't tried the Switch yet, but looking forward to giving it a go eventually.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: burningdoom on December 06, 2017, 12:55:09 pm
Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.

When you aren't a PC gamer, PC games don't matter.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: undertakerprime on December 06, 2017, 01:13:58 pm
Maybe I’m ignorant, but I didn’t realize there was hate for the Xbox.
I really don’t care if people say there aren’t many good games on it. Xbox gave me Panzer Dragoon Orta, KOTOR I & II, and Outrun 2. Between those 4 games, the Xbox was well worth it, even for someone who doesn’t like the Halo games.
I even garnered some enjoyment from Tron 2.0 Killer App. Definitely has its flaws, but it does make you feel like you’re in the Tron world.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: badATchaos on December 06, 2017, 02:19:05 pm
Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.

When you aren't a PC gamer, PC games don't matter.

Yeah I just think its funny that people dismiss PC out right. And people say PC gamers have a superiority complex?
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: jce3000gt on December 06, 2017, 02:39:14 pm
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Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: burningdoom on December 06, 2017, 04:03:41 pm
Its the first time I've ever seen someone call Fable, Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, or Stubbs the Zombie exclusive titles. I'll give you Jade Empire because it was a couple years until that was on PC.

When you aren't a PC gamer, PC games don't matter.

Yeah I just think its funny that people dismiss PC out right. And people say PC gamers have a superiority complex?

I never said anything was superior, just that I don't play on PC.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: badATchaos on December 06, 2017, 04:55:01 pm
Naw I just mean in general. For a long time when I would say I'm a PC gamer they would just assume "Oh, you play World of Warcraft?" -as if its the only thing to be played.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: hoshichiri on December 07, 2017, 12:35:10 am
The GTA and call of duty series are  japanese yea sure  ::) Pretty much all first person shooters are US

Thank you for proving my point- you're not naming any games from before 1997. I did, after all, specify RETRO gamers. If you've spent the last decade or two playing systems from the 80s and early 90s, you've been playing almost exclusively Japanese machines with Japanese first party titles.

Unless you want to argue that GTA and Call of Duty are similar enough in feel and gameplay to Mario/Sonic/Zelda/etc. that it shouldn't phase anyone to switch?

Xbox was/is decidely more 'american' in tone for its library, focusing more on dark, gritty gun-based games than the light platformer fare on the Japanese systems that preceded it. It is not so strange to think that, now that it's just old enough to start really seeming 'retro', that people who don't keep tabs on modern gaming might be offput by it. I also imagine the stigma will fade as those who grew up in the 2000s playing these games naturally age into 'retro gamers'.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: nastybagl on December 07, 2017, 01:50:44 am
Those are all good reasons. Part of it is probably is it's just what I grew up with and have never cared for Sony's controllers before the PS4. There are definitely more ps2 games, that's because it was vastly more successful, though the multiplats that did make it to the xbox were surperior visually and usually had more content. As for comparing the 360 and PS3, the PS3 is definitely more powerful, and was also more successful worldwide, though I prefer the 360 in this instance because it didn't require you to install data to play the game, and I personally think the controller was more comfortable. This generation, however, I'm completely with the PS4 because the controller is vastly improved, and the Xbox One has even less exclusives than its predecessors. Of course that no more used games shit they pulled at the beginning really turned me off. Basically I gravitate toward what is closest to what I'm looking for in a console, regardless of the company behind it.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: nastybagl on December 07, 2017, 02:05:03 am
I suppose you could say it was made for more realistic "American titles" and the fact that even the OG xbox might not be considered retro yet that makes sense. But don't forget it helped SEGA out when the Dreamcast died. A lot of stuff in development for the Dreamcast ended up on the Xbox, that's another reason I like it. Also because it was the most powerful of that generation, didn't require memory cards, and while it did have a vastly smaller library than the PS2 because it wasn't as successful, the multiplats that did make their way there were usually the best versions, looking and running better and sometimes having more content. And keep in mind that if we're talking retro Sonic specifically, the Xbox version of Mega Collection Plus is one of the best and most convenient options for classic Sonic, of course this is just one game, but still.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: maximo310 on December 07, 2017, 04:02:25 am
While the OG Xbox and X360 have some cool exclusive titles ( Otogi 1/2, Ninja Gaiden Black, CAVE's offerings, JSRF & Gunvalkyrie, & Lost Odyssey come to mind), Microsoft has always been horrible at promoting third party titles for their systems. Competing against PS2 in 6th gen was an uphill climb, and its crazy how it still sold 24 mil units, more than the gamecube. I guess the biggest thing is that nowadays most of its library can be emulated on PS2 counterparts, but the exclusives are still worth it.


 However you can easily see the shift in marketing strategy to only certain genres and first party games after 2010. After that ( especially apparent with the XB1), they've relied too heavily on Western genres and first party titles ( while hoping to keep multi plat support), and having the weaker console at the beginning of gen 8 didn't help. As a result, game variety now from Microsoft is pretty poor compared to PS4 or even the growing Switch library, and there doesn't seem to be much of a point in buying a XB1X when the only worthwhile exclusives are available on PC.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: kashell on December 07, 2017, 08:27:46 am
Growing up with two brothers that were also gamers, I had access to an original Xbox. I didn't hate it. Otogi and Voodoo Vince were neat.

I'd just rather play my PlayStation 2. Or, when we were doing the multi-player thing, we just played Melee on the Cube.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: fredlepirate on December 13, 2017, 08:10:04 pm
Even if I prefer the PS2, I had a great time with my original Xbox with Halo, Shenmue 2, Panzer Dragoon Orta (you can unlock the original Panzer Dragoon in it), Star Wars KOTOR, Morrowind, Dead Or Alive 3, Ninja Gaiden... I still play some of those games on my Xbox360, some support 480P and still look great.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: soera on December 14, 2017, 09:26:10 am
I didnt "hate" the original Xbox (other than the controller as it was the size of a football but Gamestop/Madcatz fixed that for me with the micro con). Morrowind consumed my life for a little while and D&D heroes was a great Baldur's gate wannabe.

360 however is garbage. I bet over 20% of the systems were contaminated with the RROD and thats being modest probably.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: oldgamerz on December 14, 2017, 04:36:13 pm

360 however is garbage. I bet over 20% of the systems were contaminated with the RROD and thats being modest probably.

Mine don't get a lot of use, I am aware that 360's original models were the worst. and one thing I do hate about the 360 slim, is how the disk tray just has a mind of it's own, and only stays open for a second. and then closes automatically often not letting you change the game without getting your fingers stuck
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: Warmsignal on December 15, 2017, 08:46:56 pm
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 12:17:35 am
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: burningdoom on December 16, 2017, 09:54:22 am
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.

That is the the most generic argument ever
 That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 09:57:42 am
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.

That is the the most generic argument ever
 That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S.

not really

ps1 and ps2 have plenty of gems in either 2D or 3D. Plenty of games on those systems that nintendo fans would love not to mention of the same series.

Ps1 has gems like 2D castlevania classic and metroid vania, old school megaman (X)  metal slug, rapid reload tons of shoot em ups and 2d fighting games old school rpg's zelda clones just to name some examples.

i mean seriously nintendo snes fans would rather go to ps1 than N64, since ps1 actually has a solid amount of excellent 2d games that could have been on snes or with improved grapics on a 2D powerhouse like the sega saturn

Ps2 same story, Xbox does not have much to offer.

not to mention that if you would go the import road with ps1 ps2 you will get a whole lot more high quality 2d Games that never got released outside of japan, many obsecure 2D arcade compilation, beat em ups, shoot em ups lose releases for singlearcade ports like castlevania for the arcade you name it.


Maybe gameboy classic or color those games aren't that great in general so same rules can apply to those systems unless your really into handheld gaming.

Besides it does not matter what is discussed here I'm pretty sure that pretty much the same amount of people will ignore the og xbox, there are just way better options out there to fill the time in both 2 or 3d gaming wich in my opinion is the reason why xbox is ignored. Fair enough in my opinion It's not to big of deal to not play xbox.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: dashv on December 16, 2017, 12:41:50 pm
I don’t care for fanboyism anymore, and can find something I like in any system and I’ve been noticing a trend of of many gamers only liking Sony and Nintendo’s stuff and I never understood it. Though I’m not a fanboy, the original Xbox is my favorite system of all time because it didn’t require memory cards and because it’s easily moddable and is the most powerful of the 6th generation. Also Jet Set Radio Future. And I’m just stating facts, this isn’t fanboyism, I’m a huge fan of Ratchet and and Clank and Mariokart as well.. also I’m currently playing shenmue for the first time and loving it! So what’s the deal with many, especially retro gamers hating on Xbox? If someone has an actual reason for not liking it, I’d love to hear that, like if you don’t like the controller or something.

Because humans by their very nature desire conflict and are grossly argumentative.   ;)

Most of the time it comes down to both the aforementioned and what system/company they primarily support for a long period of time due to factors such as system price and gaming selection based on their preferences.  I've always wanted to (and have strived to) buy all systems and never had a real hate for a console or its games but more for the company running things.  ie. Sony is a totalitarianism anti-consumer company where as Microsoft is stubborn to the core...same goes with Nintendo even more so (Japanese stubbornness > all).   But having said that owning every system allows you to be open minded and those who refuse to buy the other competitor's products are closed minded individuals that will never change their mind and thus a fanboy is born.  Life's too short to be a fanboy, just buy and enjoy everything.

^^^ This.

I only skipped the 360 generation due to the high failure rates.

PS 2 was pretty good. But playing Original Xbox games on my HD TV with Dolby 5.1 surround made a noticeable difference in multiplats like Simpsons Hit and Run, the Burnout series, Beyond Good and Evil, etc.

Via component cables and optical out both PS2 and Xbox hold up very well for me on modern tvs. With Xbox having a noticeable edge for most of the multiplats.

I think a lot of folks comparing never played them proper.

I wouldn’t miss out on playing Kingdom Hearts on PS2. But I also couldn’t settle for Burnout or Beyond Good and Evil on anything less than an Xbox. (At the time).

Also Microsoft is kicking ass with backward compatibility.

SONY’s marketing machine keeps talking about how they just want to move forward because no one cares about old games. Then half their friggin lineup is remasters.

Meanwhile Xbox One X is blowing me away with 360 titles I missed now running with HDR, better textures, and higher frame rates.

I’m not a get A instead of B guy. When I game I want the best most comprehensive experience possible.

That means I remain open to every console I can afford and am very selective about which platform I get my game for.

Sometimes I get the same game multiple times. For example I got Shovel Knight on WiiU because at first it was the only platform with local co-op so I could play it with my son. Later local co-op was added to other platforms so I got it on the Xbox One so we could experience the *explitive redacted* awesome Battletoads content. It was toadally worth it.

I had a larger PS 4 collection at the start of this console generation but X1X has definitely tipped those scales in just the first month of its launch.

For those lamenting the number of digital vs physical release on X1 the Switch is way worse in that regard and everything digital or physically is massively overpriced for it.

Worse I’m discoving that many “physical” releases (LA Noire, Resident Evil Revelations Collection) don’t include the full game on the card. In fact collections is just the first game with a coupon to download the second. Portability is great. But it’s no better than the WiiU as a console and it’s not the bastion/hold out for physical permanance that some of us hoped it would be. Arguably Nintendo copied the worst parts of this gens playbook. Ditch bc, games install to the console and require buying huge amounts of extra storage, library is mostly digital and honestly throw away titles for the sake of padding, and hey we’re back to cartridges (kinda) so higher prices (even for the digital only versions ... !?).

While I’m disappointed, I don’t hate the Switch. Zelda is worth playing, as is Blaster Master Zero, Mighty Gunvolt Burst, and others. Looking forward to the definitive edition of Shantae in physical. Just hope the whole game is on there...

I still think over the next couple of years people will stop considering the Switch to be a legitimate console and it will cement itself as the 3DS replacement. I’m 100% ok with that.

Enjoy it all for what it is.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: Warmsignal on December 16, 2017, 12:48:00 pm
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.

I wouldn't consider other consoles superior, unless your sole determining factor is genre and you specifically want certain types of games that the Xbox doesn't have, like JRPGs. It's also difficult to fault any 6th gen console for lacking in 2D games, during the height of 3D game popularity. You might say the same about N64, which had few 2D style games and lacked in several genres. But for me, it was an excellent console, with plenty of greats within the genres I enjoy so there's no sense in me complaining that it wasn't more well rounded. I like 3D games just fine, so again can't complain about the lull during the late 90s / early 2000s.

I picked up most of my Xbox games years ago, mostly between $3 - $5 each, so it was no big deal for me to invest in an Xbox collection. Many of the games I got were not on PS2, although it's widely believed that most which are, actually look and play better on Xbox. Xbox supports 480p a lot more often than PS2, I believe. Xbox is most worthwhile if you enjoy games from the early 2000s, if you were big into PC games at that time, or were disappointed when Dreamcast came to an end. If you aren't nostalgic for that era, then maybe not. But if you're a gamer/collector with a broad focus and interest on console gaming, then Xbox is a relatively low price of admission you can't go wrong with.

On the other hand, Atari Jaguar, you can go wrong with. You can pay steep price for the console, and find out there were about 70 games. Most of which aren't exactly cheap, many of which were not exclusive, and the rest of which are of questionable quality at best. Xbox is not Atari Jaguar.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: dashv on December 16, 2017, 12:56:56 pm
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.

That is the the most generic argument ever
 That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S.

I think their point was, popularity wise, if most people have a PS 2 (It did sell way more consoles) and a backlog for that system that’s a big enough investment to deter them from seeking out another console that will grow that backlog and delay them finishing the one they already have on their console of choice.

Like if my lease hasn’t expired on my current car and it’s getting the job done... why even explore getting another just yet?

I kinda get it.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 12:58:17 pm
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.

I wouldn't consider other consoles superior, unless your sole determining factor is genre and you specifically want certain types of games that the Xbox doesn't have, like JRPGs. It's also difficult to fault any 6th gen console for lacking in 2D games, during the height of 3D game popularity. You might say the same about N64, which had few 2D style games and lacked in several genres. But for me, it was an excellent console, with plenty of greats within the genres I enjoy so there's no sense in me complaining that it wasn't more well rounded. I like 3D games just fine, so again can't complain about the lull during the late 90s / early 2000s.

I picked up most of my Xbox games years ago, mostly between $3 - $5 each, so it was no big deal for me to invest in an Xbox collection. Many of the games I got were not on PS2, although it's widely believed that most which are, actually look and play better on Xbox. Xbox supports 480p a lot more often than PS2, I believe. Xbox is most worthwhile if you enjoy games from the early 2000s, if you were big into PC games at that time, or were disappointed when Dreamcast came to an end. If you aren't nostalgic for that era, then maybe not. But if you're a gamer/collector with a broad focus and interest on console gaming, then Xbox is a relatively low price of admission you can't go wrong with.

On the other hand, Atari Jaguar, you can go wrong with. You can pay step price for the console, and find out there were about 70s games. Most of which aren't exactly cheap, many of which were not exclusive, and the rest of which are of questionable quality at best. Xbox is not Atari Jaguar.

your right atari jaguar only has very few good games not even super outstanding ones let alone the high prices sure xbox is better than that console.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:04:50 pm
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.

Very expensive. But it does have its gems:

Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)

Off the top of my head.

There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.

Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.

Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 01:13:25 pm
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.

Very expensive. But it does have its gems:

Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)

Off the top of my head.

There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.

Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.

Fair enough personally no experience with the jaguar so who am I to judge.

As far as xbox goes

coin ops is pretty good for those arcade game and console emulators, doesn't help the xbox library though as far as this topic goes.

That being said allot of people use a retro pi or something for emulating arcade games and such but the xbox is a cheaper option.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:31:53 pm
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.

Very expensive. But it does have its gems:

Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)

Off the top of my head.

There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.

Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.

Fair enough personally no experience with the jaguar so who am I to judge.

As far as xbox goes

coin ops is pretty good for those arcade game and console emulators, doesn't help the xbox library though as far as this topic goes.

That being said allot of people use a retro pi or something for emulating arcade games and such but the xbox is a cheaper option.

You are totally right the Jag is not worth it for all but die hard collectors. I just wanted to provide the list of golden oldies for folks still thinking of jumping into it.

Just curious why how easy the Xbox console is to open up and play retro games on via emulation is not fair game/criteria in a discussion about how retro gamers feel about it?

It’s literally the only console from that generation capable of emulating:
Mame
Genesis
Game gear
Atari
ColecoVision
Master system
Nes
Snes
N64
PlayStation 1

Many of the above in 720p, full speed, with filters.

Also direct (PC accurate) homebrew ports of Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Beats of Rage.

No hardware mods required.

It’s honestly the retro gamers holy grail and the console is still dirt cheap and easy to find.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: Warmsignal on December 16, 2017, 01:39:16 pm
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.

Very expensive. But it does have its gems:

Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)

Off the top of my head.

There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.

Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.

Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs.

I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:49:04 pm
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.

Very expensive. But it does have its gems:

Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)

Off the top of my head.

There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.

Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.

Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs.

I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess.

I agree with you on all counts. (I actually own 10 original Xbox consoles because I keep finding them for $10 and can’t help myself).

I also see and understand other folks feeling differently.

Depending on the game/experience I’m looking for $10 is not a big deal to me. I own many copies of several games across platforms. Sometimes I get them as an homage to the accomplishment. There is no practical reason to own a Jaguar. As you said, better cheaper alternatives exist for all but AvP and Iron Soldier. But I respect the American made console and what it managed to get right at the time and want to own that part of history. I wonder what might have been if their original plan to have AvP available at launch had panned out. It’s damn impressive for the time. No other console could even come close to reproducing that game at the time.

Some folks don’t want to/can’t part with $1. Depending on their budget/circumstances that’s entirely legitimate. So each purchase is a careful choice for them that has to fall in their comfort zone.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 02:02:54 pm
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.

Very expensive. But it does have its gems:

Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)

Off the top of my head.

There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.

Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.

Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs.

I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess.

I agree with you on all counts. (I actually own 10 original Xbox consoles because I keep finding them for $10 and can’t help myself).

I also see and understand other folks feeling differently.

Depending on the game/experience I’m looking for $10 is not a big deal to me. I own many copies of several games across platforms. Sometimes I get them as an homage to the accomplishment. There is no practical reason to own a Jaguar. As you said, better cheaper alternatives exist for all but AvP and Iron Soldier. But I respect the American made console and what it managed to get right at the time and want to own that part of history. I wonder what might have been if their original plan to have AvP available at launch had panned out. It’s damn impressive for the time. No other console could even come close to reproducing that game at the time.

Some folks don’t want to/can’t part with $1. Depending on their budget/circumstances that’s entirely legitimate. So each purchase is a careful choice for them that has to fall in their comfort zone.

I highly doubt it is the price that can prevent people from buying one.

You also have to consider that it takes up space, an xbox console is quite the heavy beast, also if you go and buy a stack of games that will also fill up those shelves pretty well and if you don't use them it can be annoying to some.

If you dislike or plan to not really use an item, it will only take up space wich in turn can make people decide not to collect for xbox.

Also as far as atari jaguar goes

alien vs predator on the jaguar was an exclusive if i am not mistaken if not to wich console was it ported to, or are we just talking about steam or emulators.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: Warmsignal on December 16, 2017, 02:07:47 pm
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.

Very expensive. But it does have its gems:

Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)

Off the top of my head.

There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.

Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.

Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs.

I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess.

I agree with you on all counts. (I actually own 10 original Xbox consoles because I keep finding them for $10 and can’t help myself).

I also see and understand other folks feeling differently.

Depending on the game/experience I’m looking for $10 is not a big deal to me. I own many copies of several games across platforms. Sometimes I get them as an homage to the accomplishment. There is no practical reason to own a Jaguar. As you said, better cheaper alternatives exist for all but AvP and Iron Soldier. But I respect the American made console and what it managed to get right at the time and want to own that part of history. I wonder what might have been if their original plan to have AvP available at launch had panned out. It’s damn impressive for the time. No other console could even come close to reproducing that game at the time.

Some folks don’t want to/can’t part with $1. Depending on their budget/circumstances that’s entirely legitimate. So each purchase is a careful choice for them that has to fall in their comfort zone.

That's a perfectly fine point to make, actually. It's just that people seem to try and rationalize it differently, by saying things like "I don't have an Xbox because it pretty much sucks". That's just being all around dishonest. Why build an excuse for not having it, to elevate yourself as being above having it? People do that kind of thing all of the time, and not just regarding game consoles.

I agree, if you're a hardcore game collector. I totally get the desire to collect Jaguar, even above many other consoles. I went into it blindly thinking it would be a practical type of console to play, and was sorely mistaken. I didn't realize the extent to which it doesn't hold up today, when I bought mine. But as a piece of gaming history, it would be really neat to collect for.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: dashv on December 16, 2017, 02:15:22 pm
Sworddude:
There is affordability and value.

While there are some that I’m sure are still avoiding due to raw price I agree most folks probably aren’t avoiding it because it’s $10. More because it’s “not worth their $10” for the reasons you mentioned. They don’t want to make space, step out of comfort zone, they don’t want to spend any money on a dirty used console that old when they already have a PS2 that still works, etc.

AvP was a jag exclusive title and a great title. But I don’t think it’s $200 great (cost of console and game). I meant no other console could do the complex 3D with texture mapped environments and true transparency let alone at the framerate and resolution the Jag pumped it out. The other consoles just didn’t have that kind of horsepower. Remember they were competing with SNES, Genesis, and 3DO at the time and they were half the cost of a 3DO. Gotta admit that’s technically freaking impressive. :)

Warmsignal:
Totally get it. And you are right it’s bigger than gaming. It’s typical now days for folks to have the attitude “I feel this way about blah for my own personal reasons.” Therefore logic, facts, common sense, and everything else aside... blah is stupid as is anyone who likes blah.”
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: burningdoom on December 19, 2017, 01:49:12 pm
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.

That is the the most generic argument ever
 That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S.

I think their point was, popularity wise, if most people have a PS 2 (It did sell way more consoles) and a backlog for that system that’s a big enough investment to deter them from seeking out another console that will grow that backlog and delay them finishing the one they already have on their console of choice.

Like if my lease hasn’t expired on my current car and it’s getting the job done... why even explore getting another just yet?

I kinda get it.

I understood that fine, I just think it's a stupid argument. That's a personal problem, not an XBox as a brand or a console problem. Your backlog is your fault, not XBox's.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 19, 2017, 03:40:35 pm
I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.

That is the the most generic argument ever
 That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S.

I think their point was, popularity wise, if most people have a PS 2 (It did sell way more consoles) and a backlog for that system that’s a big enough investment to deter them from seeking out another console that will grow that backlog and delay them finishing the one they already have on their console of choice.

Like if my lease hasn’t expired on my current car and it’s getting the job done... why even explore getting another just yet?

I kinda get it.

I understood that fine, I just think it's a stupid argument. That's a personal problem, not an XBox as a brand or a console problem. Your backlog is your fault, not XBox's.

you must be quite the xbox fanboy  ::)

Besides I think the biggest reason is not only back log but just time. Time in general.

Why would you spend your time on xbox if you could spend it on games of the 8 or 16 bit era. Or those arcade games. Or maybe those early 3d days with ps1 or n64 wich have great party titles with friends. old pc games many classics. I'm pretty sure many hardcore xbox collector or players have nostalgia for the system but for those nintendo sega or even sony players xbox has little to offer.

Between sega sony and nintendo there are tons of games that many of different groups can enjoy since they mix or the same series or have allot similarities in gameplay, I can't say the same for  xbox.

Gamecube and ps2 have many gems or even wii aside from many excellent games plenty of master pieces to actually go to such consoles wich xbox has none off. Shenmue II is not an xbox game it's a dreamcast game people will play the dreamcast version even though it might be superior on xbox.

I have played plenty of xbox many of the better titles not lacking to much interesting stuff really.

In my opinion Xbox is a good console it has some good games but It's not a super great console and it most definitly does not have superb master pieces like many other consoles aside from lacking excellent games in general.

Back in the day it was a number 1 or number 2 console it was life for many but just like most of It's mainstream library the actual mainstream crowd has moved on from xbox and play xbox one or ps4 games now. However for the crowd that plays older games Xbox has not much to offer and therefore is ignored. In those era of consoles gamecube and ps2 actually do have many memorable master pieces aside from tons of excellent games.

it's really nice and all that xbox is so cheap to collect for but if it lacks interesting stuff compared to other consoles not to mention for many of those xbox exclusive good games you do not pay low dollar prices if you want them right now that is. So really super cheap it is not to collect for xbox for the stuff that might lure people in who play old sony sega or nintendo games to grab an xbox.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: burningdoom on December 19, 2017, 03:47:18 pm
I'm an XBox fanboy? It's not that you seem to have an illogical hate for XBox? Because you've replied to every positive reply in this thread with a wall of text. You are the type of person this thread is exactly about.

I own consoles from all major companies. I'm not a fanboy of any one of them, in particular. And the only major console maker I dislike is Atari.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 19, 2017, 03:56:28 pm
I'm an XBox fanboy? It's not that you seem to have an illogical hate for XBox? Because you've replied to every positive reply in this thread with a wall of text. You are the type of person this thread is exactly about.

I own consoles from all major companies. I'm not a fanboy of any one of them, in particular. And the only major console maker I dislike is Atari.

Me hate for xbox?

I own 70 + xbox games and have played many of the xbox classics except halo you serious man   ::)

Just saying it is not a super great console compared to others wich is the reason why many people ignore it that's all.

Just stating some facts why many people might not chose to invest time in xbox.

not to mention I only reacted to pretty much your comments exclusively since in my opinion they are far from correct, it is a discussion post after all.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: Warmsignal on December 19, 2017, 07:40:45 pm
Xbox is not so much ignored, as neglected. We haven't yet reached the age where the younger crowd are nostalgic for it. It was not my console of choice that generation, so I'll never feel much nostalgia for it myself. But I like the fact that it's a powerhouse, custom soundtracks and no memory cards are a thing on it, and that a lot of the shovel-ware stayed away from the console. Less shovel-ware overall, compared to the "massive" PS2 library. Sometime being the console that's best at certain things *cough* N64, is better than being the jack of many trades....  ;)
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: stealthrush on December 19, 2017, 07:58:34 pm
The North American marketing & software developers did not appeal to me. I remember vividly deciding to buy a PS2 over XBOX. The only game I was interested in was Gunvalkyrie - but looking through the overall initial launch line-up it was clear the system wasn't for me.

Personally I am not (was not) a fan of Western developed games, First-Person shooters, "realistic" story-driven games, I rather play Japanese arcade-oriented games. It wasn't until years later I discovered SEGA developed games for the system, and the handful of imports that were worthwhile.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 20, 2017, 03:13:19 am
Xbox is not so much ignored, as neglected. We haven't yet reached the age where the younger crowd are nostalgic for it. It was not my console of choice that generation, so I'll never feel much nostalgia for it myself. But I like the fact that it's a powerhouse, custom soundtracks and no memory cards are a thing on it, and that a lot of the shovel-ware stayed away from the console. Less shovel-ware overall, compared to the "massive" PS2 library. Sometime being the console that's best at certain things *cough* N64, is better than being the jack of many trades....  ;)

shovelware should not be a concern at all if there is plenty of good stuff to be had. For ps2 I would estimate that for my personal taste there are around 400 450 good games imports included, to others 600 + if we include some genre's that I don't  like including survival horror for ps2. I can't say the same for other consoles.

for rpg's I think many would consider the ps2 a master aside from being a jack of all trades, I will agree that N64 has some very strong points for party games and masters that very well aside from 3d platforming adventure collect a ton games.



Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: kraussndhouse on December 20, 2017, 06:23:41 am
Games for Xbox worth owning:
Halo
Halo 2
...
...
...

I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube.

There's some fantastic exclusive games on original XBox not named Halo. Here's a list off the top of my head.

-Arx Fatalis
-Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (worth owning the system for this game alone, forget Halo)
-Fable
-Far Cry: Instinct
-Forza Motorsport
-Jade Empire (such an underrated and unique action-RPG)
-Oddworld: Munch's Odyssey
-Outrun II
-MechAssault 1 & 2
-Shenmue II
-Panzer Dragoon: Orta
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse
-Yager

Yager is incredible. It reminds of a more badass Snoopy vs The Red Baron. Stubbs is also amazing. Voodoo Vince (which was recently ported for the Xbox One, complete with Achievements) is game you could add to this list.

I like collecting for the OG Xbox because the games are affordable and it's a highly achievable collection to complete. I agree with the OP, it's an undervalued console and I also don't get the hate.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: Warmsignal on December 20, 2017, 01:54:53 pm
Xbox is not so much ignored, as neglected. We haven't yet reached the age where the younger crowd are nostalgic for it. It was not my console of choice that generation, so I'll never feel much nostalgia for it myself. But I like the fact that it's a powerhouse, custom soundtracks and no memory cards are a thing on it, and that a lot of the shovel-ware stayed away from the console. Less shovel-ware overall, compared to the "massive" PS2 library. Sometime being the console that's best at certain things *cough* N64, is better than being the jack of many trades....  ;)

shovelware should not be a concern at all if there is plenty of good stuff to be had. For ps2 I would estimate that for my personal taste there are around 400 450 good games imports included, to others 600 + if we include some genre's that I don't  like including survival horror for ps2. I can't say the same for other consoles.

for rpg's I think many would consider the ps2 a master aside from being a jack of all trades, I will agree that N64 has some very strong points for party games and masters that very well aside from 3d platforming adventure collect a ton games.

600 worthwhile games on the PS2? That sounds like a stretch. I wouldn't know about imports, because I just don't import. The language barrier isn't worth it to me, and that's where I would roll out the argument that with all of the native releases I do have, why should I bide my time on imports that I can't really understand?

I've never found any console to have more than 200 games that really appeal to me and when I do, it's including titles of questionable quality. With certain genres excluded of course, like fighting, strategy, sports, and others that I don't really get into. I have just over 200 on PS2, and within the genres I do like there may be a dozen more I still feel are worth getting out of over 2,000 titles. There may be some I'm overlooking, but doubt that it's hundreds more.

Shovel-ware isn't really a concern so much but the more there is on a console, the more it obscures worthwhile titles. When I walk into my local game store, there is an entire room dedicated to PS2, but a lot of it is crap (and 10 copies each) and not necessarily the good titles everyone is after, because PS2 was very mainstream and many people bought crappy stuff on it. They have a separate glass case for the worthwhile PS2 games. The Xbox and GameCube selections are about 1/4th the size, but also with much less crap to filter through.

Wii is the same way. Wii library is massive, but most of it is crappy. Plenty of good ones if you dig, and do your homework. But there's something to said for consoles that don't have a bounty of shovel-ware on them at all.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on December 20, 2017, 02:15:45 pm
Xbox is not so much ignored, as neglected. We haven't yet reached the age where the younger crowd are nostalgic for it. It was not my console of choice that generation, so I'll never feel much nostalgia for it myself. But I like the fact that it's a powerhouse, custom soundtracks and no memory cards are a thing on it, and that a lot of the shovel-ware stayed away from the console. Less shovel-ware overall, compared to the "massive" PS2 library. Sometime being the console that's best at certain things *cough* N64, is better than being the jack of many trades....  ;)

shovelware should not be a concern at all if there is plenty of good stuff to be had. For ps2 I would estimate that for my personal taste there are around 400 450 good games imports included, to others 600 + if we include some genre's that I don't  like including survival horror for ps2. I can't say the same for other consoles.

for rpg's I think many would consider the ps2 a master aside from being a jack of all trades, I will agree that N64 has some very strong points for party games and masters that very well aside from 3d platforming adventure collect a ton games.

600 worthwhile games on the PS2? That sounds like a stretch. I wouldn't know about imports, because I just don't import. The language barrier isn't worth it to me, and that's where I would roll out the argument that with all of the native releases I do have, why should I bide my time on imports that I can't really understand?

I've never found any console to have more than 200 games that really appeal to me and when I do, it's including titles of questionable quality. With certain genres excluded of course, like fighting, strategy, sports, and others that I don't really get into. I have just over 200 on PS2, and within the genres I do like there may be a dozen more I still feel are worth getting out of over 2,000 titles. There may be some I'm overlooking, but doubt that it's hundreds more.

Shovel-ware isn't really a concern so much but the more there is on a console, the more it obscures worthwhile titles. When I walk into my local game store, there is an entire room dedicated to PS2, but a lot of it is crap (and 10 copies each) and not necessarily the good titles everyone is after, because PS2 was very mainstream and many people bought crappy stuff on it. They have a separate glass case for the worthwhile PS2 games. The Xbox and GameCube selections are about 1/4th the size, but also with much less crap to filter through.

Wii is the same way. Wii library is massive, but most of it is crappy. Plenty of good ones if you dig, and do your homework. But there's something to said for consoles that don't have a bounty of shovel-ware on them at all.

600 maybe 700 worthwile for most I dislike many genre's personally I'd say 400 450 imports included. not a stretch really tons of good games on the ps2 that are worthwhile and also many imports if your going deeper in the ps2 library. I'd say 50 japan imports for me.

I pretty much own 300 ps2 titles and i only collect what I like I lack pretty much all ps2 usa exclusive rpg's wich are ton also allot of unique non rpg usa exclusive games not to mention the many arcade like japanese exclusive games for the ps2. I do not even own all the good european ps2 games that I like  and still lack many of the good games wich aren't super hard to find but can be pricy or cheap like the huge dynasty warrior set or the armored core games and many many more. I'm pretty sure I can get 50 to maybe 100 + more titles of europe alone that I still need without the imports there are so many interesting games that I still lack for ps2.

Don't forget I also ignored all survival horror games wich there are a tons of on ps2 those are not my kinda games.

i'm pretty sure 400 - 450 (maybe 500) great titles is not out of reach for me. if you would included survival horror GTA like games  and many other genre's and classics that I dislike 600 easy if not way more.

As far as language barrier goes I only include titles as 2d fighting games shoot em ups beat em ups arcade ports you name it wich usually have fully english menu's etc or are pretty much free of text. Many game series like wonderboy or super bc kid have 3d remakes on the ps2 same gameplay but in 3d very interesting to me.

barely more than 200 titles for ps2 that's pretty impossible in my eyes but everyone has their opinion. i will say though that many ps2 games are pretty hard to find so many collectors will not even see 75% or more of the entire ps2 library to actually find the more obsecure interesting games.

Still though If I ever  would own 500 ps2 games that would basicly mean that I have every game that I ever wanted or have discovered for the ps2. Will most definitly never happen since I will most likely not find everything for cheap especially japan imports. Not an issue for me though but that's just a scenario if I would have 500 ps2 games that I like.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: blackarachnid41 on December 20, 2017, 04:35:22 pm
Personally, I actually love the original Xbox, and I wouldn't understand any hate for it either. I will admit, I do largely prefer playing my Nintendo and PlayStation consoles, but that doesn't take away from what is available on the Xbox. In fact, I would argue that the original Xbox has a very unique library compared to both the Gamecube and PlayStation 2 (in fact, all three 6th gen consoles had very unique libraries).

Compared to the Gamecube and PS2, the Xbox had way more western RPGs and more ports of PC games (in fact, both seem to near non-existent on the other two platforms outside of a few exceptions). Plus, as blasphemous as it may sound, some consider the Xbox as the Dreamcast 2.0 because of how much support it received from SEGA after they dropped out of the console race. Many of those SEGA games were actually exclusive to the Xbox (including, but not limited to, Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta, and, in the U.S., Shenmue II). Plus, the original Xbox served as the console debut for many developers who primarily only worked on PC games prior, including companies such as Bethesda and Bioware.

The original Xbox has plenty of amazing gems, and I certainly recommend giving it a chance.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: wartoy on January 14, 2018, 07:30:57 pm
I love the original X-BOX many great games were available on it.Also loved the ps2 and gamecube dont understand why people can't enjoy them all.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: scraph4ppy on February 19, 2018, 05:43:00 am
I think the main issue the Xbox has in holding up against its competition is that its main selling points (greater power and PC ports/interface) don't matter so much to retro gamers anymore. For example, back on page one someone said an Xbox was worth owning for Morrowind alone. But nowadays the PC version of that game runs on a toaster, and with the ability to unstick yourself from walls and install mods, to boot. You could say the same with the system's back in the day much touted multi-media capabilities as well.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on February 19, 2018, 06:16:49 am
Xbox was mostly a Halo machine for me when it came out, as that LAN action was pure gaming delight.  It was nothing compared to the PS2 (Outside of Halo being one of the best shooter for consoles, as Playstation didn't have anything comparable in the same regard), but it had a few gems.  Aside from there just not being a large selection of games that are a must have, it's also in a weird place in console history that skews it, unfairly or not. 

The Gamecube didn't do well, but it was Nintendo, it has history and a deep fan backing.  Same for Dreamcast because of Sega and for its significance in gaming culture in being Sega's last console and being considered underrated by people.  High above all is the Playstation 2 sitting there as some titanic juggernaut with all the games and sales.  And then there's the fatboy Xbox newbie, no pedigree, nothing significantly major about it, it's alright with some good stuff, but it's not exceptionally stand out...other than maybe beginning the better online service network, but that's not a factor for retro collectors.

There's no reason to hate the Xbox, but I fully understand collectors not really leaping at the system. 

I mean, just look at this behemoth of a controller! Who in their right mind thought this was a good idea?!
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SAAYYMB9L._SX425_.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: hoshichiri on February 19, 2018, 11:13:01 am
I mean, just look at this behemoth of a controller! Who in their right mind thought this was a good idea?!
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SAAYYMB9L._SX425_.jpg)

Now, to be fair, they did replace the Duke with the Controller S pretty early on, and that's an excellent controller.
(http://www.blitterandtwisted.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/xbox-s-controller-large.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: burningdoom on February 19, 2018, 11:30:31 am
I was already used to the Dreamcast controller, which I had right before my Xbox. So the controller never was a big deal for me. Even then, the smaller controller came out pretty quickly. So it's not like it's deal breaker, like the N64's controllers.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on February 19, 2018, 04:42:04 pm
I was just having abit of fun with that, as I know the S controller came out not too long after, I just find it funny how much of a 180 they did with that controller for the far superior S controller.  The S controller lead to the 360 controller which I think is the best controller ever IMO.  I'm still using a wired 360 controller on PC that I got years ago.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: oldgamerz on February 20, 2018, 05:00:05 pm
I was already used to the Dreamcast controller, which I had right before my Xbox. So the controller never was a big deal for me. Even then, the smaller controller came out pretty quickly. So it's not like it's deal breaker, like the N64's controllers.

LOL this reminds me one of my bought used N64 controllers I had was green and had a crack on the bottom almost if it was used for more then playing video games ::)

I prefer the Xbox Duke controller compared to the N64 controller at least the Xbox's Duke controller was well built and has an analog stick that nice in smooth unlike the awful N64's design
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: adamilius on February 26, 2018, 03:59:34 pm
I never had an X-Box, but remember others who did. It was great for getting together for Halo. I never really considered buying one, I remember at the time thinking it was a "specialized" console. Don't even know what that means now, but I was into PS2 and only played Halo. Now though, I am actually happy that I never gave it two thoughts because I can go back and collect/play the games for it and they will be like new.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: oldgamerz on October 03, 2019, 12:06:41 am
I have to say some of the early xbox original games had way better graphics than what the PlayStation 2 had in it's early stages.

and, even some of the later stages, lets look at "Halo: Combat Evolved" came out late 2001. Also and just look at Halo Combat Evolved's graphics compared to other tv console 2001 first person shooters released the year 2001 on the PlayStation 2 and GameCube

 "Links 2004" was a 2003 release for the original xbox console by developer Bungie. and it is the best looking  golf video game graphically,  of the entire 6th generation of console in my opinion.

Even some later PS2 games didn't have as much detail as some of the earliest original  xbox games. Lets just look at a later golf game on the PlayStation 2. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 in which came out in the year 2009 on the PlayStation 2.

this 2009 golf video game release on the ps2 at least, to me still does not compare graphically to the 2003 release of Links 2004. exclusive to the xbox original

for those who do not know Links 2004 is a great golf video game and it's one of the exclusives to the original xbox console
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: vivigamer on October 03, 2019, 02:58:21 am
I think when it comes down to it, the main factor is the lack of exclusives, I can only think of a handfull & when you  then compare it the monster line up the PS2 has... it really can't compete.

I've been gathering more orginal Xbox games recently due to the value with backwards compatibility on the 360 and I've found a few hidden gems for sure, so I think it is an okay system but certainly not one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: oldgamerz on October 03, 2019, 03:51:21 am
I think when it comes down to it, the main factor is the lack of exclusives, I can only think of a handfull & when you  then compare it the monster line up the PS2 has... it really can't compete.

I've been gathering more orginal Xbox games recently due to the value with backwards compatibility on the 360 and I've found a few hidden gems for sure, so I think it is an okay system but certainly not one of my favourites.



"Links 2004" does work with my Xbox 360. But I have a harddrive in mine.

I'm not sure about the newer generation Xbox One. But the "Links 2004" golf game is worth checking out for Xbox original collectors, and unlike Halo Combat Evolved also developed by Bungie this Links 2004 game  is strictly an xbox game it has no PC port or other kind of port of this particular Links series golf game

it's also the newest in the links golf series as of the date of this post and it looks kinda like it could have been a PlayStation 3 game

(https://vgcollect.com/images/front-box-art/787.jpg)

I know not everyone likes golf, but back before I got big into collecting I bought a golf game on PS2 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2002 one of the first games I ever picked up. I didn't think I'd even like it, but when I started to play this other game it propelled me to grab every single golf game I could get.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: vivigamer on October 03, 2019, 04:49:20 am
While golf games aren't for me I understand what you mean by having unique titles or even titles play better through the Xbox Discs. For example, I am currently playing through the Shenmue series before the release of the 3rd game in November (SO EXCITED!!!) & While the game got a current gen port, I can't stand the Aspect Ratio, I can get by Shenmue 1 but Shenmue 2 has cutscenes in 4:3 & Letterboxed which is unforgivable! They even showed these scenes in Fullscreen on the trailers... So, I resort to playing my Xbox Disc of Shenmue 2 on my 360 & stretch the screen slightly with one of the screen resolutions on the 360 & it is my ideal way to play the game & how I shall be playing the game on my next playthrough!

I have also recently bought many games I have on PS2 that are backwards compatible on the 360 like Buronout 3: TakeDown, Bards Tales & Crash Twinsanity or even PS2 games which got 360 releases like Gun & Just Cause 1! I like having a superior way to play my games & I think when the generation is over, I can see myself moving over to an XBOX ONE X for the 4K capability - Unless the PS5 goes all out on backwards compatibility!
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on October 03, 2019, 05:07:00 am
I have to say some of the early xbox original games had way better graphics than what the PlayStation 2 had in it's early stages.


No shit. the ps2 was the weakest console of it's generation

gamecube had twice the power and xbox 3 to 4 times compared to ps2

It was no surpise why a ton of gamecube especially first party titles looked way better than any ps2 game.

You would imagine with titles such as gta that ps2 was at least 2nd best but it was the weakest console by quite a margin. the only thing holding gamecube back where the small discs in wich they could store less memory than on normal discs wich was to prevent piracy.

ironicly even in the xbox one era. xbox still is the most powerfull console but yet again with very few exclusives just like on the original xbox. i guess in the case of  microsoft some things just never change.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: oldgamerz on January 23, 2020, 08:05:06 pm
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have  8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think

Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.

I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.

I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: Warmsignal on January 24, 2020, 12:36:53 am
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have  8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think

Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.

I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.

I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while

It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on January 24, 2020, 05:05:26 am
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have  8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think

Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.

I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.

I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while

It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.

Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die

To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.

kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: wolff242 on January 24, 2020, 08:50:55 am
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have  8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think

Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.

I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.

I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while

It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.

Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die

To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.

kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems


Sony had plenty of problems with the YLOD on the PS3. Only the Original Xbox 360's had the red ring of death. Same with Sony and the YLOD. both a bunch of had problems with their early models, both corrected them. All consoles have some problems, and most will die someday.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on January 24, 2020, 11:27:07 am
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have  8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think

Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.

I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.

I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while

It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.

Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die

To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.

kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems


Sony had plenty of problems with the YLOD on the PS3. Only the Original Xbox 360's had the red ring of death. Same with Sony and the YLOD. both a bunch of had problems with their early models, both corrected them. All consoles have some problems, and most will die someday.

most especially non disc based consoles are fairly easy to fix to keep em running for a long time afterwards so it's not that big of a problem spare parts or non original replacements exists after all. in the case of the Xbox OG though you need to remove that capicitator or it's unfixable since the board will be beyond repair. That being said though while sony had it's problems I've had way more people complain about xbox consoles than with sony.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: oldgamerz on January 24, 2020, 01:01:53 pm
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have  8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think

Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.

I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.

I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while

It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.

Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die

To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.

kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems

My original Xbox has a loud fan but it survived a long game session. I am hoping that this one will last, the clock is not working at all and so far it appears that the blocks don't count when the data is being used.

this console looks well cared for and so far nothing I purchased from Disc Replay is junk.

Disc replay actually fully test all consoles before selling them again, I seen them do it with another person who brought in a broken PlayStation 2, they refused to pay them anything for bringing in their broken PlayStation 2  I overheard their conversation and they didn't take it, and they were testing it just behind their counter.

it might be a modded console because it came with an electric eye inside the 4th controller slot, I don't know what that does
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on January 24, 2020, 01:43:45 pm
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have  8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think

Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.

I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.

I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while

It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.

Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die

To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.

kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems

My original Xbox has a loud fan but it survived a long game session. I am hoping that this one will last, the clock is not working at all and so far it appears that the blocks don't count when the data is being used.

this console looks well cared for and so far nothing I purchased from Disc Replay is junk.

Disc replay actually fully test all consoles before selling them again, I seen them do it with another person who brought in a broken PlayStation 2, they refused to pay them anything for bringing in their broken PlayStation 2  I overheard their conversation and they didn't take it, and they were testing it just behind their counter.

it might be a modded console because it came with an electric eye inside the 4th controller slot, I don't know what that does

well if the clock isnt working anymore and it isnt a 1.6 and in some cases a1.5 model that clock capicitator might be leaking now damaging the motherboard until it breaks.

only the 2 versions mentioned have a good capicitator that doesnt leak after some years.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: Warmsignal on January 24, 2020, 01:45:44 pm
I just got an Original Xbox yesterday, and I love it! it has a fantastic hardrive. Most of them OG Xbox consoles have  8-10 gigabyte hard drive. Technically speaking 50,000 blocks. You can put a ton of OG Xbox games on that this I think

Unlike the PS2 in most cases you need special software for a harddrive to work in a PlayStation 2 console and memory cards are 8mb on all PlayStation 2 compatible memory cards.

I bought an original Xbox because I'm having emulation issues on my Xbox360. I have a lagging controller that lagged (unplayable) when I last play Halo 1 & Halo 2 on the Xbox360. and my controller doesn't lag on all the rest of my OG xbox games. Halo Master Cheif collection it's even a problem on the Xbox One consoles according to the internet, on all wired controllers for the Xbox One's and windows PC's are lagging to.

I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while

It's always good to keep an OG around, although I have to commend Microsoft for their continued efforts towards backwards compatibility. I didn't realize before I had acquired my XB1 that it supports backwards compatibility with a good chuck of 360 games, and even some OG games as well. Strangely enough, not Halo or Halo 2. I suppose because the Masterchief Collection is a thing. From what I've heard, they finally patched the game in December and fixed a lot of the bugs and lagging, and it also includes ODST and Reach now. It may now be worth actually picking up.

Well original xbox consoles might break down pretty fast at some point. Microsoft made an error with an original clock capicatator that breaks down and literally eats the boards when not removed making the console unusable as a result. for a ton of original xbox consoles those capicatotors are already damaging the boards so it's a ticking time bomb when most original xbox consoles will die

To make things worse. Microsoft fixed this issue but only with 1 maybe 2 of their models. Only the latest model having that guaranteed improved capictator the 1.6 variant usually 2004 + era. meaning versions 1.0 to 1.5 are all with those time bomb capicatators. Some 1.5 models have the improved capicatator aswell but rarely.

kinda ironic actually. how many xbox 360 consoles where trash as well with that red ring of dead. havent heard to much bad stuff about sony. i wouldnt be suprisied if the xbox one also had some problems

Capacitors are one of the easiest things you can replace on a console. All consoles will break, none were designed flawlessly and yes that includes Sony. I think Biking has mentioned that he's been through a ton of PS2 consoles that died. My PS1's laser went bad around 2002. Lots of people who had the original revision of PS1 had to turn their console on it's side to get it play games. PS3 had YLOD which was not uncommon, and my brother has two of the 60 GB models that died on him, both found to have charred looking transistors and whatnot on their board.

Just look on eBay, there's no shortage of dead consoles regardless of which one. People complain of "moving parts", but there's actually not that many moving parts you need to worry about. A disc drive motor is probably not gonna die, a cooling fan probably won't either and then again it's just a fan. That's an easy fix. What kills a modern console dead is heat, which is nearly unavoidable inside of these consoles. Xbox 360 dies primarily from the GPU coming apart from the board, I believe. That's due to heat damage.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: sworddude on January 24, 2020, 05:51:36 pm
It's pretty easy to remove indeed but if you don't remove it on other consoles it might not damage it like in the case of the og xbox that's the key difference here. There are cases with other consoles obviously but not as bad as with the og xbox. There are even some rare cases that the console might explode even when your not using it when you have a bad clock capicitator and your to lazy to remove it.

obviously dead consoles for all systems will be on ebay. Usage is obviously the main factor that will kill any console at some point. a popular console line like sony will have plenty of dead consoles at some point that's only natural with every console selling over 100 million units.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: oldgamerz on January 24, 2020, 06:10:12 pm
https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,10611.msg174357.html#msg174357

the last 5 digits of my og Xbox is "32905"

can someone please identify what model this is?

(full serial number)
the manufacture date is "07-19-2003

serial
1267237-32905

product ID
711-1267237-32905
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: hoshichiri on January 25, 2020, 12:12:24 pm
I don't have a lot of OG Xbox games so I am hoping I'll never need to buy another OG Xbox for a while

Oh, I doubt it. I didn't clear any data off my Xbox when I got it, becuase it's a hand-me-down. My fiance bought it new back around release. Then when he got a 360 he gave it to his brother. Then he gave it to his sister. Then it sat unused in the back of her entertainment center until I claimed it. So that guy's got 4 people's worth of save files, copied music, etc. and it's still got plenty of room left.

it might be a modded console because it came with an electric eye inside the 4th controller slot, I don't know what that does

If it comes out, it's probably the sensor for the remote control- Xboxes can play DVDs just like PS2, but you needed to get a kit to get it going.

Regardless of your serial number, if you have to reset the clock when you turn it on, find a repair guy & get your unit looked at- that's a sign that you could have a bad cap. If it advances, you'll start to see the unit turn itself on & possibly issues with the disc tray ejecting on its own.

If you act fast, everything will be fine- when my Xbox started turning itself on, I found a semi-local shop (about an hour away) & actually mailed it in becuase I couldn't make the trip up right away. They actually couldn't find any sign the capacitor was leaking, so either I caught it very early or I'd picked up some corrosion elsewhere. Either way, they pulled the cap for me & did a general refurb of the whole thing, & it's been great since. Even took care of the finicky disc drive (it didn't like to eject on startup.)

Of course, it's entirely possible the previous owner already had the cap pulled & that's why your clock is weird. If it keeps time while plugged in, check the bottom for signs it's been opened- you could be fine. I doubt it's been modded- by my experience most modded systems are running custom firmware, so if yours has the regular startup/menus, I doubt anything's been done.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: oldgamerz on January 25, 2020, 06:30:13 pm
Oh, I doubt it. I didn't clear any data off my Xbox when I got it, becuase it's a hand-me-down. My fiance bought it new back around release. Then when he got a 360 he gave it to his brother. Then he gave it to his sister. Then it sat unused in the back of her entertainment center until I claimed it. So that guy's got 4 people's worth of save files, copied music, etc. and it's still got plenty of room left.

If it comes out, it's probably the sensor for the remote control- Xboxes can play DVDs just like PS2, but you needed to get a kit to get it going.

Regardless of your serial number, if you have to reset the clock when you turn it on, find a repair guy & get your unit looked at- that's a sign that you could have a bad cap. If it advances, you'll start to see the unit turn itself on & possibly issues with the disc tray ejecting on its own.

If you act fast, everything will be fine- when my Xbox started turning itself on, I found a semi-local shop (about an hour away) & actually mailed it in becuase I couldn't make the trip up right away. They actually couldn't find any sign the capacitor was leaking, so either I caught it very early or I'd picked up some corrosion elsewhere. Either way, they pulled the cap for me & did a general refurb of the whole thing, & it's been great since. Even took care of the finicky disc drive (it didn't like to eject on startup.)

Of course, it's entirely possible the previous owner already had the cap pulled & that's why your clock is weird. If it keeps time while plugged in, check the bottom for signs it's been opened- you could be fine. I doubt it's been modded- by my experience most modded systems are running custom firmware, so if yours has the regular startup/menus, I doubt anything's been done.

My Xbox360 used to have the tray close on it's own as soon as I opened it, until I deleted some of the accounts. But so far on my Original Xbox console it's has not yet happened

I plan to get both of these console looked at.

I removed a bunch of save files off my Xbox Original console I just got a few days ago.

My Xbox360 is showing signs that it's never been opened and their is a potato chip crumb that fell inside of my Xbox360 and I plan of getting both looked at by a professional soon

yes my OG XBox censer came out but I don't plan on using that.

My new/used Xbox original had a TON of saved files on it, but I manually deleted all the save file data because I wanted to make this my own.
Title: Re: Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?
Post by: dharmajones93 on January 28, 2020, 03:16:20 pm
Still have my childhood OG Xbox. Looking at the save files there are some VERY teenage boy save file and toon names... I'd like to keep them on there for posterity but I'm kind of ashamed...