General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: desocietas on March 27, 2012, 07:31:40 pm
Title: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on March 27, 2012, 07:31:40 pm
Seems like everyone's working on their Kickstarter these days...
I know I've already sponsored the Banner Saga and the (in)famous Tim Schafer project.
Now there's this! http://kotaku.com/5896727/these-guys-want-half-a-million-to-prove-that-people-still-love-jrpgs
That old skool package sounds pretty drool-worthy...
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on March 27, 2012, 07:44:10 pm
Yeah, not too sure how I feel about some of those (see: Double Fine project... they should have had enough money already :P), there's some times I do think it's worth helping out. So far I've only helped with the 3rd edition of High Score (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/230165553/game-history-book-high-score-3rd-edition) (a video game history book), but this is another one I'm probably gonna check out... Not too sure about that 500k target though...
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jcalder8 on March 27, 2012, 09:42:56 pm
So if they don't make it they just keep everyone's money? I hadn't heard about projects like this before but I will pass. Back when I was a boy we just preodered stuff that we wanted to let the company who was interested in it.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on March 27, 2012, 09:54:26 pm
Everyone send me money in the name of VGCollect! I promise it will go toward hosting and other site.. related.. things. And NOT toward gambling, hookers and booze...
Sounds like an excellent plan, yes?
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on March 27, 2012, 10:24:56 pm
So if they don't make it they just keep everyone's money? I hadn't heard about projects like this before but I will pass. Back when I was a boy we just preodered stuff that we wanted to let the company who was interested in it.
The way I understand it, with kickstarter, you only end up paying if the goal is met. At least that's what it said when I donated for the book.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: matt on March 27, 2012, 10:26:29 pm
ha @scott
I don't know how I feel about this trend but it's obviously working for now. It's a good way to invest in a game/product that you know you'll support. Overtime tho, I can see these things starting to look desperate.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: amauriel on March 27, 2012, 11:51:08 pm
I backed the Double Fine Adventure. I love Tim Schafer (have even been considering picking up Once Upon a Monster) and will basically open my wallet for anything with his name on it. Add Ron Gilbert to that and I'm double sold. Besides that, I feel that the press that it got really shows the publishers that maybe we don't all just want Madden and Call of Duty.
However, I don't really see it working for too many other games. I only donated because I have a deep love for these guys and what they do and they had already made their goal by the time I made my pledge so I knew they would follow through. And I get a Steam copy of the game when it's released, as well as Beta testing.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: ffxik on March 28, 2012, 01:13:25 am
Very tempting on the Gaijinworks. Working Designs was by far my favorite publisher and I was sad to see them go after Growlanser Generations came out. I'm pleased to know Victor is still out there trying to give some of us some variety.
The only downside is contributing to the Kickstarter, then paying full price for the item when it comes out. :-\
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: foxhack on March 28, 2012, 01:24:01 am
I'm not giving Vic Ireland a single cent. Especially if he wants to spend it making trinkets like that.
ESPECIALLY if he still intends for us to pay full retail after giving money. What the hell, man? All the other gaming kickstarters offer FULL VERSIONS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE GAMES upon release. Trinkets aren't going to cut it anymore.
I donated money to the Nubuwo kickstarter. I plan to donate money to the Sherlock Holmes ICOM rereleases, too. But I got (or am getting) something decent out of my donations there, not just financing someone's obsession with useless crap.
I don't buy games for the toys. I buy them for the game itself. Yes, the bonuses are often good. I love getting music CDs and books. But watches? Really? THERE'S A REASON WHY YOUR COMPANY FAILED, VICTOR.
Edit: Welp, that sounded a wee bit more bitter than I intended it to...
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: madmax on March 28, 2012, 01:54:57 am
Most of the people dong this have something under their belt already. A game or something and that instills trust. The problem is that I have never seen one of these finish. There was an awesome 16/32 bit inspired jrpg that was posted likea year ago. I haven't heard of it since. It got a lot of money...
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: ffxik on March 28, 2012, 03:14:23 am
I'm not giving Vic Ireland a single cent. Especially if he wants to spend it making trinkets like that.
ESPECIALLY if he still intends for us to pay full retail after giving money. What the hell, man? All the other gaming kickstarters offer FULL VERSIONS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE GAMES upon release. Trinkets aren't going to cut it anymore.
I donated money to the Nubuwo kickstarter. I plan to donate money to the Sherlock Holmes ICOM rereleases, too. But I got (or am getting) something decent out of my donations there, not just financing someone's obsession with useless crap.
I don't buy games for the toys. I buy them for the game itself. Yes, the bonuses are often good. I love getting music CDs and books. But watches? Really? THERE'S A REASON WHY YOUR COMPANY FAILED, VICTOR.
Edit: Welp, that sounded a wee bit more bitter than I intended it to...
I won't deny the fact that Vic need to tone the extras down or do away with them altogether. That aside. Working Designs published some of the best niche games out there. The fact he is still willing to do it makes me happy. Turning to Kickstarter for cash from fans, then charging full price for services rendered, basically double-dipping the fans. Makes me die a little inside.
Regardless, givin that most of the games he is going to release is going to be more than likely digital only means I won't be buying them. I have a rule I don't buy digital games, anymore.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: psydswipe on March 28, 2012, 07:38:17 am
I put $50 toward Wasteland 2 to get the boxed copy with a map. There aren't many games that would cause me to use Kickstarter, but I like the original Wasteland a lot so I feel it was worth it. They are well past their goal so it should get made. I imagine you must get your money back if the game isn't ever completed. Paying is easy enough as you go through Amazon.com who does get a percentage of the funds.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on March 28, 2012, 08:05:00 am
I'm not giving Vic Ireland a single cent. Especially if he wants to spend it making trinkets like that.
ESPECIALLY if he still intends for us to pay full retail after giving money. What the hell, man? All the other gaming kickstarters offer FULL VERSIONS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE GAMES upon release. Trinkets aren't going to cut it anymore.
I donated money to the Nubuwo kickstarter. I plan to donate money to the Sherlock Holmes ICOM rereleases, too. But I got (or am getting) something decent out of my donations there, not just financing someone's obsession with useless crap.
I don't buy games for the toys. I buy them for the game itself. Yes, the bonuses are often good. I love getting music CDs and books. But watches? Really? THERE'S A REASON WHY YOUR COMPANY FAILED, VICTOR.
Edit: Welp, that sounded a wee bit more bitter than I intended it to...
Actually here you get the special edition of the game if you donate 59$ or more so... there's that. But I do agree that he went a bit too crazy on worthless trinkets. I mean... posters, pocket watches, plushies, music boxes, pins, a trip to E3 wut? They could probably ask for half their goal if they weren't making all these random extras.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on March 28, 2012, 08:41:09 am
Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of the Working Designs games. But, wasn't Working Designs infamous for also mistranslating games and sometimes blatantly changing things around? I know that's what they did with Shining Wisdom anyway. Personally I love jrpgs, but I don't love when publishers tamper with the product. Translate it, release it Stateside and don't mess with the developer's artwork. If you want to change the story around, develop your own games.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on March 28, 2012, 09:42:40 am
You know, something just struck me as odd here. Maybe I'm just being slow but... This kickstarter is made partly as a way to promote JRPGs in the West.... so why is their first kickstarter project for a WRPG? I don't know, I just thought it was a bit weird.
I do agree with some people in the comments though, they should definitely offer downloadable versions of the game as one of the reward tiers, that would do great here since I'm guessing a lot of people will be transitioning to the Vita somewhat soon and having a PSP UMD game would be rather useless to them. It just makes sense IMO.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on March 28, 2012, 12:19:06 pm
Oh, wow, the Kickstarter page wasn't live when I first posted the Kotaku link. But yeah, those are some pretty wimpy "support" rewards for folks who can only spare a few bucks.
Woot, an email? Kickstarter sends you free automatic emails anyway whenever the group who set up the Kickstarter sends out an update.
I'm not gonna complain about the $59 option for a physical-only copy of the game - that's fine by me. Not a big fan of downloading games, and $59 for any sort of game that comes with some goodies is a pretty good deal. I mean, I paid $80 for Catherine's pizza box and boxer shorts (that I will never be able to wear even if I wanted to). And they do say that the game is approximately $49 with $10 shipping. Which sounds a bit steep to me, but hey, it happens.
To add on to the Kickstarter queries: - you don't get charged until both the campaign is over and the project has reached its goal amount (I've sponsored a few less successful art kickstarters and was never charged when the campaign ended) - you're always welcome to go back and change your pledge amount (and reward separately) if the campaign hasn't ended yet - after pledging an amount, you'll get emails from the Kickstarter group regarding any sort of changes to the rewards or other updates
But yes, I agree that $500,000 is a bit much. It'd be one thing if they wanted to get the game out (as that is usually the case with videogame Kickstarters), but the whole thing smells a little pretentious whether they intended that or not. I mean, Double Fine only wanted $400,000 but you could get the game and give input on its production for as little as $15.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: ffxik on March 29, 2012, 05:11:08 am
Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of the Working Designs games. But, wasn't Working Designs infamous for also mistranslating games and sometimes blatantly changing things around? I know that's what they did with Shining Wisdom anyway. Personally I love jrpgs, but I don't love when publishers tamper with the product. Translate it, release it Stateside and don't mess with the developer's artwork. If you want to change the story around, develop your own games.
Unfortunately that is true. Shining Wisdom and Lunar 2 for the Sega CD come to mind. Lunar 2 had a magic EXP system that allowed you to boost spells by throwing EXP earned in battle into the spell. So how do you make a game more difficult, tie the save option into that system. Do I spend my magic exp on this new spell that could really help in this fight, or do I spend it to save my game so I don't lose 3 hours worth of grinding? I absolutely hated that. WD were bad about that during their early years. The PSX and PS2 they pretty much left things alone.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on March 29, 2012, 02:39:04 pm
Looks like they heard from the comments and changed things up a bit: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1272149684/class-of-heroes-2-deluxe-for-the-psp-system/posts
I think they're still failing to hear out the folks are want to back the project but don't need a physical copy of the game - just a downloadable version.
That would seem obvious to me, but maybe they don't want to stray from their original intention, which seems to be more about creating a "bad ass collectors' set" than about getting a game made.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: foxhack on March 29, 2012, 04:02:51 pm
That would seem obvious to me, but maybe they don't want to stray from their original intention, which seems to be more about creating a "bad ass collectors' set" than about getting a game made.
And that's my big problem with this. Some of us want a game, not trinkets.
Also, those "mistranslations" weren't really mistranslations, more like excessive tampering by the script editors.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on March 29, 2012, 04:17:56 pm
Ya that's why I added the "blatantly changing", cause I wasn't 100% sure if it was poor translation, or tampering.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: varkias on April 02, 2012, 09:49:54 pm
I am a huge fan of Working Designs. They did frequently change the translations of their games and did a wonderful job. I don't know how many JRPGs I've played where the Japanese humor was completely lost on me. If you pledge money to the project, it does not come out until the kickstarter end date (April 27th in this case). If the goal was reached then they take the money and you receive whatever you pledged for. If they do not make their goal then they do not take the money. I just finished pledging and I hope Gaijinworks can be successful.
Working designs did not fail because of the extras they included in their games. They failed because of burned bridges with Sega and Sony management (both of which have proven time and time again how bad they are). For example after years of working on the Arc the Lad Collection, Sony made Working Designs package all the games into a single product. Working Designs was unable to re-coup their loses from that game.
Now i'm going to laugh my way through the wonderfully translated Albert Odyssey.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: ffxik on April 02, 2012, 10:02:41 pm
I am a huge fan of Working Designs. They did frequently change the translations of their games and did a wonderful job. I don't know how many JRPGs I've played where the Japanese humor was completely lost on me. If you pledge money to the project, it does not come out until the kickstarter end date (April 27th in this case). If the goal was reached then they take the money and you receive whatever you pledged for. If they do not make their goal then they do not take the money. I just finished pledging and I hope Gaijinworks can be successful.
Working designs did not fail because of the extras they included in their games. They failed because of burned bridges with Sega and Sony management (both of which have proven time and time again how bad they are). For example after years of working on the Arc the Lad Collection, Sony made Working Designs package all the games into a single product. Working Designs was unable to re-coup their loses from that game.
Now i'm going to laugh my way through the wonderfully translated Albert Odyssey.
Sony also forced their hand with Growlanser II & III they were supposed to be seprate, but instead got rolled into Growlanser Generations.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: foxhack on April 03, 2012, 02:30:53 pm
Now they want 75 extra grand to put Japanese voices in the game.
Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
Look, I get that licensing fees are high, but seriously!?
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on April 03, 2012, 02:35:03 pm
Now they want 75 extra grand to put Japanese voices in the game.
Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
Look, I get that licensing fees are high, but seriously!?
That's pretty funny, right? It's funny, because the more they update, the more I reconsider and think, "Wait, they want my money to release an English version of a GAME THAT'S ALREADY MADE?"
And the amount they're asking for is more than the amount of money Double Fine was asking to make a game completely from scratch (and will have feedback throughout the process from its backers)?
Also funny that they excitedly posted a mention from Kotaku, and at the end of the Kotaku article, the author says they don't think it'll get fully funded by the end of the time period. My bad, that was Banner Saga that mentioned that they were mentioned by Kotaku, who are quite supportive of their efforts (as they've already passed their asking amount).
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on April 03, 2012, 02:36:31 pm
Now they want 75 extra grand to put Japanese voices in the game.
Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
Look, I get that licensing fees are high, but that's just DISGUSTING.
Yeah, that confuses me.... isn't the game already coming out in digital format with japanese voices? Why would we have to donate more for japanese voices then? I'm heavily thinking about not backing this now... The deeper it goes the dumber it gets. I'll just get the downloadable version when/if it ends up happening. This kickstarter is gonna fail, and the people behind this are making sure it does, it seems.
Also... why are they still saying that Class of Heroes is a JRPG when it's quite clearly a WRPG?
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: foxhack on April 03, 2012, 03:48:21 pm
Yeah, that confuses me.... isn't the game already coming out in digital format with japanese voices? Why would we have to donate more for japanese voices then?
They still have to pay the original voice actors and whatever union they have backing them payment. Royalties.
But I don't think it'd be 75 grand.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on April 03, 2012, 03:53:53 pm
Yeah, that confuses me.... isn't the game already coming out in digital format with japanese voices? Why would we have to donate more for japanese voices then?
They still have to pay the original voice actors and whatever union they have backing them payment. Royalties.
But I don't think it'd be 75 grand.
Ah, so the downloadable version we're getting anyways is gonna be text-only then? Bah, guess that's fine too.
75k does seem fairly standard to get those rights, japanese voice actors are not cheap :P
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: foxhack on April 04, 2012, 01:28:33 am
Ha, love the title of that campaign. They still got it.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on June 22, 2012, 10:13:20 am
The Behemoth has a kickstarter going on right now for their new Necromancer figurine. I decided to back it, since I love both Alien Hominid and Castle Crashers. Check it out, I wonder if anyone is going to pledge the high end.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: amauriel on June 22, 2012, 06:29:58 pm
This one is super tempting. The Castle Crashers are some of my favorite video game merchandise, and rounding out the collection was one of the first things I did at PAX East this year. However, it's a little pricey when the Crashers are only $20 each. Hmmm, what to do...
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on June 22, 2012, 09:17:49 pm
Not to sell you on it. But apparently the necromancer is much bigger. I haven't seen a scale difference tho. But they can have my money if they keep marking awesome games.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jcalder8 on June 22, 2012, 09:35:15 pm
I would consuder it if shipping to Canada wasn't so expensive
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on June 29, 2012, 07:55:29 pm
They finally give the proper dimensions and scale for your convenience!
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on June 29, 2012, 08:22:23 pm
Ya, I just saw the email from Kickstarter about it. It's so bad ass.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on July 10, 2012, 03:46:54 pm
Here's one that took off running: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console?ref=category
And by took off running, I mean that, when I checked it 3 hours ago, it was just above 100000$, and now it's almost at its goal. It's for that new android-powered game console where all the games are apparently going to be free... I really don't know what to think of this, but I do kinda want to pick it up for curiosity's sake.... They're going SUPER fast though, it's crazy.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: matt on July 10, 2012, 04:02:36 pm
Here's one that took off running: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console?ref=category
And by took off running, I mean that, when I checked it 3 hours ago, it was just above 100000$, and now it's almost at its goal. It's for that new android-powered game console where all the games are apparently going to be free... I really don't know what to think of this, but I do kinda want to pick it up for curiosity's sake.... They're going SUPER fast though, it's crazy.
Good lord. Yeah I saw this earlier today and they had like $50k.
I actually think this thing is a great idea. The quality of Android games has really taken off lately.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on July 10, 2012, 04:11:56 pm
I actually think this thing is a great idea. The quality of Android games has really taken off lately.
It has? I'll be honest, the only mobile games I play are Kairosoft games.
Yeah, since they're going so fast (241 left as of this post) I just secured a "pre-order", just in case I decide to go for it (so I have 29 days to decide :P)... Again though, it's just because I'm curious, not really because I'm excited for the idea. Kinda like why I bought a Rasperry Pi computer (can't wait for that to get shipped).
*EDIT* So they increased the available quantity now.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: matt on July 10, 2012, 04:14:48 pm
The $ amount goes up every time I reload the page. ha.
They are at $845,284 as of 4:14pm EST.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on July 10, 2012, 04:19:31 pm
Looking at some of the more expensive options, specifically the 699$ and 1337$ options, I think it may be worth it for devs since your game would end up being advertised for a whole year... They'd probably be able to end up getting more than their money back with that.
*EDIT* And, looking at this: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
This will probably end up becoming the most stupidly high funded thing ever on kickstarter.
*ANOTHER EDIT*
And, in less than 24 hours (around 16 I think, maybe less), it passed its goal of ALMOST A MILLION.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on July 10, 2012, 05:10:15 pm
Crazy! Ok, I hopped on the bandwagon for the $99 pledge... very tempting to get two engraved controllers, but if this thing goes bust, I don't want to lose that kind of money.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on July 10, 2012, 05:25:57 pm
Neat idea, but I think I'll pass. 99% of the Android marketplace doesn't interest me in the slightest.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: matt on July 10, 2012, 05:38:06 pm
Neat idea, but I think I'll pass. 99% of the Android marketplace doesn't interest me in the slightest.
Things are changing quickly though. This time last year I would have said the same things, outside of a few "toilet games". But now there is some real quality to be found. Just check out the top list here:
Lots of good stuff there. It's a great market to indie devs and honestly due to XBLA, most of the games I've played lately have been from small indie companies.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: varkias on July 10, 2012, 06:06:59 pm
I was reading about the Ouya this morning on Joystiq. I really like the idea of it... an open, unlocked device means lots of options. This could make an excellent HTPC... without all the format limitations forced on us by MS and Sony. It will support easy emulation. I hope some serious developers decide to get behind this, I'm over MS and Sony thinking they can treat us anyway they like and we'll still buy their crap. I'm very surprised they've hit their goal on day 1, good for them!
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jcalder8 on July 10, 2012, 07:40:06 pm
I am considering getting one but I can't help but think they won't be popular enough for many games to be made for it so it may be a waste of money.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on July 10, 2012, 08:22:10 pm
I am considering getting one but I can't help but think they won't be popular enough for many games to be made for it so it may be a waste of money.
I don't have doubts about the popularity of the hardware... just look at the kickstarter :P I think there's an issue with the "everything is free-to-play" concept of the whole console... by my estimation, it won't be profitable for almost anyone to make games for this. Let alone the fact that the people making the console are encouraging people to hack it... Which means people will be getting the games for even free-er(?) than they already are... I don't see this really working out for developers in the long run.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: pceslayer on July 11, 2012, 03:35:13 pm
I am considering getting one but I can't help but think they won't be popular enough for many games to be made for it so it may be a waste of money.
I don't have doubts about the popularity of the hardware... just look at the kickstarter :P I think there's an issue with the "everything is free-to-play" concept of the whole console... by my estimation, it won't be profitable for almost anyone to make games for this. Let alone the fact that the people making the console are encouraging people to hack it... Which means people will be getting the games for even free-er(?) than they already are... I don't see this really working out for developers in the long run.
Not everything will be free, they are just encourage it to be and back the demo/trial model. They spoke of pricing models for developers and their cut of the profits.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on July 26, 2012, 10:41:39 am
Not a video gaming Kickstarter project, but I think it's worth mentioning: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
Reaper Miniatures started a new line of reasonably priced minis made of a special plastic, they are calling Bones. They launched the new line in March and have slowly been adding to it, but want to build it faster than normal and put it up to kickstarter to help fund it. They've already hit the 30k funding mark and blew passed 50k on the first two days.
I backed it, since I've been buying most of my gaming minis from them for over 10 years. And would love to see them build this line. (It also helps that I'll end up with over 70 new minis by the time it's all done).
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jcalder8 on July 26, 2012, 02:52:27 pm
Not a video gaming Kickstarter project, but I think it's worth mentioning: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
Reaper Miniatures started a new line of reasonably priced minis made of a special plastic, they are calling Bones. They launched the new line in March and have slowly been adding to it, but want to build it faster than normal and put it up to kickstarter to help fund it. They've already hit the 30k funding mark and blew passed 50k on the first two days.
I backed it, since I've been buying most of my gaming minis from them for over 10 years. And would love to see them build this line. (It also helps that I'll end up with over 70 new minis by the time it's all done).
I'm not into miniatures but some of these look really cool and some of the package deals they are offering are fairly impressive.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on July 26, 2012, 02:54:48 pm
I just backed "Volgarr the Viking", a PC indie game that's apparently a mix between Rastan, Castlevania and Super Ghouls n' Ghosts... Sounds badass :P
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on July 27, 2012, 03:51:41 pm
It's an enhanced edition of Cheetahmen II (without the game-breaking bugs, amongst other things), produced by the biggest Active Entreprises collector in the world (and also the owner of cheetahmengames.com, where you can buy "Cheetahmen: The Creation", which is a "beta" version of Cheetahmen... basically just other games from Action 52 but with Cheetahmen).
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on August 08, 2012, 12:04:57 am
Well I've uncovered something interesting here... This kickstarter isn't technically legal... The guy starting it up does own whatever remains of Active Entreprises and their licenses, which would make it legal... except for one particular thing: he doesn't own Cheetahmen, someone else got those rights over 2 years ago. So he's not technically allowed to make this reproduction and sell it at all. Clearly that's the case for most reproductions... but this is a case of a rich guy using a license he doesn't own to make more money. He lives in a mansion (seriously), but he claims he needs people to give him 65000$ to make the reproduction (which is false, just look at Battle Kid), and that it's gonna take a lot of effort to fix the game (also false, people did it pretty easily 5 years ago with a quick romhack so he's probably just selling that romhack other people worked on). This project stinks of shady and wrong.
These guys here actually own the Cheetahmen license: http://suckerfreegames.com/home.php ... Here's proof of that (http://suckerfreegames.com/forums/index.php/topic,8.0.html).
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jaydepps on August 08, 2012, 03:50:29 pm
My brother just supported the Cheetahmen II: The Lost Levels Kickstarter. $60 for the game, and he intends on never playing it. I can't say I blame him though.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on August 08, 2012, 05:39:12 pm
My brother just supported the Cheetahmen II: The Lost Levels Kickstarter. $60 for the game, and he intends on never playing it. I can't say I blame him though.
Uh oh, consider what was in that last post, I'd say maybe you should suggest to him to take his pledge back.
Also, WHY IS EVERYTHING IN THAT KICKSTARTER PAGE WRITTEN IN CAPS?
Netiquette, people! Sheesh.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on August 08, 2012, 08:46:13 pm
Ha ya I would revoke my pledge too. That sounds all kinds of shady.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on August 15, 2012, 10:51:11 pm
9 days left and Reaper's gathered 500k worth of pledges so far, and they keep adding in more stretch goals! The best part about it is, the goals are JUST to con us all out of more money. But they are all going toward getting the new minis in them produced. Pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: disgaeniac on August 16, 2012, 10:56:07 am
Haven't yet participated in any Kickstarters...call it the skeptic in me, I guess :P
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on August 16, 2012, 12:47:14 pm
Haven't yet participated in any Kickstarters...call it the skeptic in me, I guess :P
I don't blame you. It's kind of a bad spiral if you get into it. I don't even know how many Kickstarters I've backed... *goes to check* 33 projects.
Seems to be lot of diff types of KS folks: some who give money generously to everything, some who only give to things they feel very strongly about, and then there are the diff levels of backers and the varying levels of involvement they want with the project.
I personally don't have time to get too involved in the project; I don't see how people can hound these startups as much as they do they may have only invested something like $5.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: disgaeniac on August 16, 2012, 01:35:39 pm
I just got really turned-off to it when I saw a girl trying to raise $4,000.00 for something.
Last time I looked at it (~a month ago) it was at close to 1/4 million dollars.
There was no accounting of what was to be done w/ this *HUGE* overage.
I guess that I'd feel *A LOT* better if they were 'capped' once they reached their stated/targeted amounts...
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: varkias on August 16, 2012, 09:44:39 pm
I just got really turned-off to it when I saw a girl trying to raise $4,000.00 for something.
Last time I looked at it (~a month ago) it was at close to 1/4 million dollars.
There was no accounting of what was to be done w/ this *HUGE* overage.
I guess that I'd feel *A LOT* better if they were 'capped' once they reached their stated/targeted amounts...
I'm glad they don't cap these projects. Let's say I want to back a project for someone that wants to design a watch and at a $60 pledge I will receive one. This person wants to raise $40,000 for the project to be funded, if he/she makes it to $100k+ you get it personally engraved and at $200k+ it will have custom needles. So for my $60 I get the watch I originally wanted and if the project does well I get more. WIN/WIN imo... I don't now why someone would back a project they didn't like. There are tons of really good ideas out there... and some bad ones too
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: pacpix on August 16, 2012, 10:55:46 pm
Not a huge Anime fan, but this looks really cool!: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aeipathyind/zeldamotion-a-link-to-the-past-animated-series
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: madmax on August 16, 2012, 11:47:19 pm
This looks amazing! They said they wanted to make it in a grand scale, so there is a possibility of different colonies on planets and such. Looks really great :D
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: disgaeniac on August 17, 2012, 10:56:52 am
I'm glad they don't cap these projects. Let's say I want to back a project for someone that wants to design a watch and at a $60 pledge I will receive one. This person wants to raise $40,000 for the project to be funded, if he/she makes it to $100k+ you get it personally engraved and at $200k+ it will have custom needles. So for my $60 I get the watch I originally wanted and if the project does well I get more. WIN/WIN imo... I don't now why someone would back a project they didn't like. There are tons of really good ideas out there... and some bad ones too
I wouldn't have a problem in that case because it's stated in advance what the overages would be spent on.
The one I saw said she needed $4,000.00 to make a video, and made no mention of what/where any extra $ would go...
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on August 17, 2012, 12:37:46 pm
That's the nice thing about the ones for Reaper Miniatures and Red Box Games (which I backed both). Every time they hit a new goal, they would release another and the money raised for reaching these goals are only spent on tooling and producing the product for said goal.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: disgaeniac on August 17, 2012, 12:57:34 pm
That's the nice thing about the ones for Reaper Miniatures and Red Box Games (which I backed both). Every time they hit a new goal, they would release another and the money raised for reaching these goals are only spent on tooling and producing the product for said goal.
That, I'd have no problem with :)
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on August 20, 2012, 12:48:33 pm
Congrats, Scott, on being part of another million dollar Kickstarter project!
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on August 25, 2012, 06:05:01 pm
Congrats, Scott, on being part of another million dollar Kickstarter project!
Thanks, looks like they broke 3.4 million AND they also killed Kickstarter in the process. Apparently 17k folks all hitting F5 at the same time is bad for KS's health. haha
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on February 27, 2013, 08:23:54 pm
Just thought I'd tack onto this topic to mention a project I just backed: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/redthread/dreamfall-chapters-the-longest-journey
I really liked The Longest Journey but haven't played Dreamfall yet. In any case, I think it's cool that these ol' adventure games are excited to make more possibly great games.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jcalder8 on February 28, 2013, 10:38:06 pm
Just thought I'd tack onto this topic to mention a project I just backed: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/redthread/dreamfall-chapters-the-longest-journey
I really liked The Longest Journey but haven't played Dreamfall yet. In any case, I think it's cool that these ol' adventure games are excited to make more possibly great games.
It looks cool but a year and a half to have my money tied up in it with no payoff is just too long for my tastes.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jaydepps on March 01, 2013, 12:46:51 pm
Everyone should check out Empire Eden. The art style is phenomenal, and the gameplay looks very well done. They aren't doing very well at the moment with the Kickstarter though. Maybe they can get a boost somehow.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on May 22, 2013, 06:40:35 pm
Doesn't look like the folks over at The Tale of Alltynex kickstarter are gonna make it to the physical edition. Such a shame.
But, it looks like as a thanks, they sent out a backer only update saying they are deciding to upgrade everyone who put in for $45 or more to a Digital Deluxe edition. Complete with PDFs for all the disc art, cover art and a few other things that were planned for the Physical copies.
There's like 16 hours left, so if you're a shmuper and didn't know about this one, I'd suggest hopping on it. Or, you can wait til the English versions hit Steam too.
I was just about to post about this one. I've been following this project for a couple months now, I'm pretty hyped. Never played Neverhood, but I did play the sequel, Skullmonkeys, and it was really good and featured that really fun clay animation of course.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: redblaze57 on May 29, 2013, 06:09:19 pm
I was just about to post about this one. I've been following this project for a couple months now, I'm pretty hyped. Never played Neverhood, but I did play the sequel, Skullmonkeys, and it was really good and featured that really fun clay animation of course.
I was a Backer of Doug TenNapel's Sketchbook and just looking through the sketches of those games is enough for me to want to see this game get made
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: jobocan on May 29, 2013, 06:12:30 pm
I was just about to post about this one. I've been following this project for a couple months now, I'm pretty hyped. Never played Neverhood, but I did play the sequel, Skullmonkeys, and it was really good and featured that really fun clay animation of course.
I was a Backer of Doug TenNapel's Sketchbook and just looking through the sketches of those games is enough for me to want to see this game get made
I never saw that sketchbook! Dammit.
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: redblaze57 on May 29, 2013, 10:36:01 pm
I was just about to post about this one. I've been following this project for a couple months now, I'm pretty hyped. Never played Neverhood, but I did play the sequel, Skullmonkeys, and it was really good and featured that really fun clay animation of course.
I was a Backer of Doug TenNapel's Sketchbook and just looking through the sketches of those games is enough for me to want to see this game get made
I never saw that sketchbook! Dammit.
I didn't get any fancy edition of the book, but I did get it signed. 8)
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: dstone on May 30, 2013, 01:02:34 am
I missed out on the sketchbook but am definitely on board for Armikrog. The Neverhood is one of my favorites (and it helps that I'm a fan of TenNapel's comics and Taylor's music).
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: turf on May 30, 2013, 10:35:48 am
It's not on kickstarter. It's on Indiegogo. The RetrowareTV guys have been putting on a show called The Video Game Years. Check it out on Youtube. It is very "I Love the 80's" style for video games through the years. They are looking to hire professional editors to work on this. It got too big to ask people to do for free. Toss them a couple of bucks to help get through the 80's. The $30 level gets you a DVD set of what they've done so far. That's where my money went. http://igg.me/at/tvgy (http://igg.me/at/tvgy)
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: scott on June 06, 2013, 10:36:53 pm
Got my Tale of ALLTYNEX download codes today!
I downloaded everything and made an entry for the Digital Deluxe edition. http://vgcollect.com/item/44508
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: redblaze57 on September 04, 2013, 07:40:16 pm
Alright since no one has wrote about these
first off game chasers Season 1 DVD is coming to an end and I would like to see them make the final stretch goal they have as of writing this they have 32 hours left. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-game-chasers-season-1-dvd (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-game-chasers-season-1-dvd)
second mighty No. 9 if you haven't heard about it in a nutshell creator of Megaman has made Megaman V.2 because Capcom is out of it's fuckin mind so he's giving fans what they want. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mightyno9/mighty-no-9?ref=live (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mightyno9/mighty-no-9?ref=live)
and finally Shantae: Half-Genie Hero. Wayfoward's making a new Shantae game http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1236620800/shantae-half-genie-hero (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1236620800/shantae-half-genie-hero)
Title: Re: Kickstarter craze
Post by: desocietas on February 03, 2015, 01:38:02 pm
Reviving an old topic as a catch-all for any Kickstarters that look interesting (though I've been cutting back on my spending on these projects):
Saw the first gameplay trailer for it this morning (above), and I don't like scary games at all, but it looks really cool! Really doesn't look like it'll get funded, but I'm definitely going to keep an eye on this project.