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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: george on March 28, 2012, 06:04:50 pm
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So, if you haven't heard, the new Playstation has been dubbed the "Orbis." Like the new XBOX, the system is said to block used games, only allowing you to access content with your gamer tag. Through paying some sort of fee, you can access this content if you were to get it used. All of this is from a "source with knowledge of the matter" so this could all be untrue.
As games move toward digital distribution, I wonder what kind of impact this will have on our collections. Will physical copies of games go way up? Or will less people buy these new consoles and convert to PC gaming? I for one see myself buying less games, maybe avoiding the consoles all together if this is true.
The funny thing is, I rarely buy used. The only time I get used is when I discover a game far after it has been released. Either way, I get fired up when I read this sort of stuff. Do you know how many crap, short games come out? And developers expect us to pay $60+ for them and be stuck with them?
In the end, I just see my future children selling my entire collection to Pawn Stars for $50 and feeling like they got some sort of deal lol.
Thoughts?
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The thought of this is disturbing. Used games are the mainstay of this hobby. Most people do not buy a game new and have such eternal love for it that they never consider selling it. It sounds pretty selfish of the big companies to think that all games should be only purchased new. But we will see how it pans out. If gaming does go totally digital, I wont care however. I dont really have many new gen games anyhow. And, barring some amazing release of something totally new and exciting, I dont see me buying anything new in the near future anyhow.
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The thought of this is disturbing. Used games are the mainstay of this hobby. Most people do not buy a game new and have such eternal love for it that they never consider selling it. It sounds pretty selfish of the big companies to think that all games should be only purchased new. But we will see how it pans out. If gaming does go totally digital, I wont care however. I dont really have many new gen games anyhow. And, barring some amazing release of something totally new and exciting, I dont see me buying anything new in the near future anyhow.
This is kinda how I feel about it. Modern games don't give me that collectors buzz like the old nostalgic stuff. Nowadays if I can digitally download a game, I'm all over it simply for the convenience.
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If the next gen of consoles is download only with no possibility of getting it on some form of physical media, I too will not be purchasing any of the new consoles. It bothers me that these companies may be alienating some of its customers. As hard as it is to imagine not all people have high speed internet. How will they be able to play the next gen consoles? I used to live out in the country and loved that I was able to get demo discs to try before I buy, but that is not possible anymore. You have to high speed internet just to get demos anymore. I just think it's a huge mistake for a console company to go completely download only.
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I don't see how the gaming industry can pull off a console the blocks used games from playing. Look at places like GameStop, Amazon, Best Buy even. They all sell used games, and GameStop was built on the trade-in deal. Not to mention the Rental business. If they release a new system that doesn't allow for used games to be played on their console, they are not only hurting their fanbase, but also an entire economy worth of businesses.
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Has there been any buzz about Nintendo pulling a similar boneheaded move?
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If that happens we might see the end of game collecting as we know it. We might see some "never used/sealed" games but if they tie games to your console, collecting will probably halt there. I don't see how they could force that system to work though, you would need to be online constantly for the "DRM" to work and consoles aren't always online...
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Like I said in both the 360 and PS3 topics, this will not happen. If Sony/MS take away used games sales Gamestop/Amazon/Best buy/ anywhere else that sells used games will simply not carry the system. From what I understand companies make very little off the sale of the system so if they are losing their bread and butter(that being used sales) why would they want any customers to buy the system.
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I'd hate to see this happening. I know that under US law (although I live in England), when you buy a new game you are technically only buying the license (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=116137) to that game, which means that buying used games is technically 'illegitimate'. No matter what though, I don't think people will be able to ban the sale of used games completely and I think doing so would actually encourage the practice.
I thought I was 'bad' for importing games, but it seems that video game companies are attaching a stigma to buying used games. It is understandable in a way, because the company in ownership is not gaining a profit, but in practice I don't think it really harms them. I think blocking used games for use on a system will only just alienate potential customers and do more harm than good.
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It's annoying, the mentality behind this. A game should be like any other physical item with ownership belonging to the owner. I typically don't download games and the rare ones I have I don't track in my collection because if I want to spend money on something I want some proof I own it rather then fleeting data with the ability for it to be taken from me at any time.
I'd be a little more accepted of it if the reduced cost by eliminating physical production was passed onto the consumer, but it isn't. When a physical copy cost the same as a data version I will always get the physical one even if it means waiting a bit.
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Future consoles left on store shelves to collect dust.
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I tried to warn you all back when I saw the Onlive system, cloud gaming is coming sooner than you think. Love the convenience hate the fact that were loosing physical media like the music and movie industry, going to miss seeing people waiting in lines at Best Buy all night to get that must have new game. It's all coming to an end, we no longer have to leave the house. :'(
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I fear this for the game industry just as I fear it with movies, music and books. I have a large DVD & blu-ray collection (my other collection hobby) and hate that these industries are trying to wean us off of physical media.
Digital delivery is convenient, but it wipes out the collector aspect, and doesn't allow you to buy used, loan out your stuff, sell things you no longer want, etc. With no used market and consumers entirely dependent on digital distribution, we're at the mercy of the game publishers and hollywood. We'll pay what the price is; no more looking for used copies or sales. We lose the ability to rip a disc to our computers to put on our mobile devices, stream to media centers, etc. We will only be able to view/play what is being offered (look at the holes in the Netflix/Hulu libraries for example).
I use Netflix for stuff I have no interest in owning, but I'm fighting digital distribution kicking and screaming every step of the way. Any future game consoles that prevent used games from working or go entirely digital will not get my money. We know that the WiiU will at the very least still be using disc-based media, so I may game on for at least one more generation.
The thing is, there are still hundreds of games I want to buy and play that exist now on current and past consoles. If I could never buy a new game again, I could live with that.
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The thing is, there are still hundreds of games I want to buy and play that exist now on current and past consoles. If I could never buy a new game again, I could live with that.
I said this to my buddy last night. There is 30 years of video gaming to play, and there are thousands of games I have never played and I am more than happy to revisit my older consoles and retro game.
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I tried to warn you all back when I saw the Onlive system, cloud gaming is coming sooner than you think. Love the convenience hate the fact that were loosing physical media like the music and movie industry, going to miss seeing people waiting in lines at Best Buy all night to get that must have new game. It's all coming to an end, we no longer have to leave the house. :'(
Won't have to worry about that anymore. Best Buy is shutting down 50 stores, at the moment. Could be a lot more if they can't get their profitability back.
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And the world gets a little darker :(, but you know what there will always be a black market. Someone will strip the roms and make an emulater.
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I'm pretty sure I read where GS has verified that the new xbox will in fact play used games.
Also, if M$, $ony and Nintendo think piracy is bad now...they will lose their ass if they ever do something like this.
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The thing is, there are still hundreds of games I want to buy and play that exist now on current and past consoles. If I could never buy a new game again, I could live with that.
I said this to my buddy last night. There is 30 years of video gaming to play, and there are thousands of games I have never played and I am more than happy to revisit my older consoles and retro game.
Exactly. Off the top of my head I can probably rattle off 40-50 games on the PS1-PS2 alone that I want to eventually pick up and play, so I really don't need to continue into the next generation, other than I'd miss out on new games by Nintendo.
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More evidence that cloud gaming is going to take over sooner than later, once the big three jump on the cloud that’s where it will be.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/OnLive-Gaikai-E30-2012-PlayStation-Vita,news-15353.html
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More evidence that cloud gaming is going to take over sooner than later, once the big three jump on the cloud that’s where it will be.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/OnLive-Gaikai-E30-2012-PlayStation-Vita,news-15353.html
Only if, we the consumer allow them. They can't sell what we don't buy. Then it could go down quicker than a two dollar wh*** on a crack binge.
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That’s true, if the people don’t buy it will not succeed. I must admit though I’ve been using the Onlive micro system and so far I like it. The convenience and pricing is spot on the only issue I see is that they don’t offer the latest and greatest games available right away and the majority of gamers want the newest now. Now I know us collectors and hoarders of video games may resist at first but we don’t make up the majority, the majority of gamers are going to hop on the cloud gaming wagon because it’s so convenient add the fact that you can take your game saves with you regardless if you play on the micro system, PC, tablet or smart phone just too many benefits in cloud gaming to ignore. Once Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft jump on board and cut the cost of needing to develop a more powerful console, well there’s no turning back. It’s happening and like I said way back it’s happening sooner than we think.
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In that case, I'll be sticking with the classics. We'll see how well the gaming industry does when there are no games on shelf at retail.
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I know scary thought isn’t it?
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You know, how many Record or CD stores do you see anymore? The music industry is still alive and well.
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The thing is, there are still hundreds of games I want to buy and play that exist now on current and past consoles. If I could never buy a new game again, I could live with that.
I said this to my buddy last night. There is 30 years of video gaming to play, and there are thousands of games I have never played and I am more than happy to revisit my older consoles and retro game.
This, this, this, this, this, this, this, and...*THIS*
I've already got more unplayed games (and the systems to play them on) than I could ever *possibly* play in one lifetime!
I'll also be one of those people who will "vote with my wallet" and stop buying & supporting *ANY* new games and/or consoles that completely do away with either:
a). all physical mediums (...or...at least the Option/alternative) to have an available version that is physical and/or
b). the ability to buy, sell, play, and trade our used games in any & every way that we damn well please!
/opinionated rant...
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LOL………..listen to your selves………..LOL, we are all here because we love and always will love video games old and new but it’s the new games that keep up excided about video games. Now I know you will always love the old stuff and love the challenge of hunting them down but there is no way any of us will be able to not embrace the next greatest game out there or pickup the newest version of your favorite franchise being it Mario, Zelda or Metroid. If they make it you will come regardless of how they distribute it. If the industry moves to cloud gaming, you will be there… you will be there.
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You know, how many Record or CD stores do you see anymore? The music industry is still alive and well.
The town I live in has a record store. It opened maybe two years ago. It's called "Endangered Species" and their sign says "The Last Record Store on Earth."
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LOL………..listen to your selves………..LOL, we are all here because we love and always will love video games old and new but it’s the new games that keep up excided about video games. Now I know you will always love the old stuff and love the challenge of hunting them down but there is no way any of us will be able to not embrace the next greatest game out there or pickup the newest version of your favorite franchise being it Mario, Zelda or Metroid. If they make it you will come regardless of how they distribute it. If the industry moves to cloud gaming, you will be there… you will be there.
That's not true at all.
If sound, graphics, etc were limited to what we already have...it's more than good enough for me.
There's really not a single improvement possible that would influence me to buy a next gen system.
Will I buy one if used games are the way that they are now & if there's still physical media options to play its games on?
...probably...not because there's anything "flashy" or because there's any one franchise that is sooo important to me that I *Just* *have* to see it on the next gen systems (there's no such game/franchise for me)...
...but...it's more like I'd be buying the console & its games because I'm a gamer that is still *willing* to support the gaming industry (if I feel that its practices are deserving of support, that is).
I don't know about anyone else here, but my favorite series (as my screen-name probably gives away) is Disgaea.
I didn't (and don't feel any urge to) run out & buy a Vita just because there's a "newer" & "flashier" Disgaea game on it.
And again, I'm just speaking for myself here, but I *REALLY* wouldn't have any problem, indecision, struggle, internal debate, or loss of sleep by not buying a next gen console that does/doesn't do what I think that it should/shouldn't do.
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I'm addicted to some of my favorite series. If a new Zelda came out on a cloud-based system, I'd still buy that system.
When a new system (non-handheld) comes out, we wait until there's at least one game for each of us before we buy it. We had an XBox 360 really early, as I wanted Kameo (love Rare games) and Ninety-Nine Nights, and he wanted something like Perfect Dark or Quake 4 or something.
We didn't get a PS3 for a long time. There were a few games he wanted, but nothing I'd get. I finally caved when Metal Gear Solid 4 came out, since he loves those games, and Little Big Planet had been announced by that time, which I thought looked fun. (Aside: LBP gets WAY more play in our house, since it's something we can play together.)
Handhelds are generally at launch, because I don't go anywhere without my DS (now 3DS). I DO regret getting the Vita as early as we did, because I've played maybe an hour or two on it and all he uses it for is soccer.
Point is, if good games and unique experiences come out for these cloud systems, I'll still be getting them. I won't lie. But I'll just keep collecting for my DS, and only buying games I really want to invest time in on those systems. I just think they're being very narrow-minded about this. As of April 2010, only 73% of Xbox 360s had gotten online. Are they going to cut out 1/4 of their sales just to eliminate the used games market?
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Amauriel I agree with you, I didn’t start collecting games to play them. I played games for the experience and my collecting grew, so the experience of the game is the most important part collecting is just the by product from collecting. If you all love video games like I do and I think most of you do, that s why you’re here you will buy into the next great thing. I told myself after I bought a PSP and really didn’t play it that I would never buy another handheld. Well ended up getting a 3DS on for my birthday and I’m hooked on it love the thing never leave it home and my opinion has changed. The fact is most of us here love video games and always will, we may resist and want to keep our old ways but we will cave in sooner or later. I didn’t care for the whole cloud gaming idea at first basically because I wanted something to hold but now that I have the Onlive mini console and experienced the games I realized that the experience is the important part although having maps and guide books sometimes enhance the experience, hopefully they will still make strategy guides with that stuff.
Amauriel, I bet you didn’t buy the CD-I system for the Zelda games did you. ;D
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Originally I did, but then I never dropped the money on them. I started collecting Harvest Moon and Shin Megami Tensei games and Zelda has sorta been put on the backburner, as far as the "gotta catch 'em all" mindset goes.
I can definitely say that I've finished a much larger percentage of my Zelda collection than I have either of the others though. :P