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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: bikingjahuty on October 04, 2018, 12:38:20 am
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For those of you unfamiliar with what is included in the 7th console generation, it includes the XBOX 360, PS3, and Wii.
I am curious to see what people's opinions of this are seeing how I feel like systems from the 6th generation, with maybe the exception of the Dreamcast, only had a modest jolt in popularity among collectors outside a few choice and rare titles. I excluded the DC because I feel like it got the full on collector hype just like the Genesis, SNES, and NES. The Gamecube almost reached these levels, but i feel like enthusiasm for the PS2 and XBOX was fairly mild overall. That leads me to wonder what kind of enthusiasm will exist for the 7th gen systems when they become harder to find and considered to be more retro.
Here are my personal predictions of the three 7th gen consoles and their future among collectors.
Wii: Above Average Enthusiasm. I feel the collecting scene for the Wii will mirror the enthusiasm of the Gamecube fairly close, mostly because it's a Nintendo console and also because it has a lot of excellent 1st and 3rd party games for it. Sure, the motion controls are fairly controversial and there is a TON of shovelware for it, but there are also a ton of great games mixed in that I think will make collecting for the Wii very appealing, especially to Nintendo fans both young and old.
PS3: Average Enthusiasm. There are a ton of great games, many of them exclusives, on the PS3, but sadly I don't see a huge collecting scene emerging for the PS3, much in the same way the PS2 has a lot of worthwhile games, just not nearly as many collectors vying for them as you'd think. I'm sure there will be those $100+ dollar games for the PS3 someday that every collector and their mom will know about, but as for those who really go after them, that will be a much smaller group imo. So to paraphrase, I see the PS3 being about as collectable as the PS2, maybe even slightly less.
360: Below Average Enthusiasm. Don't get me wrong, the 360 was an excellent console and also had a lot of good exclusives on it, however, just like the original XBOX, I don't think the crowd who generally games on XBOX consoles is really the sentimental type to go back and replay their favorite games from yesteryear. However, given the cultural icon the 360 was to the gaming industry, for better or worse, I can see it having a slightly more enthusiastic collecting circle than the original xbox, which still to this day never really left the ground in terms of being a collectable console. Sure, the original XBOX has those sought after games, but the amount of people who actually prioritize getting these is very small. I can see the 360 being about the same, maybe somewhat more collectable, but not by much.
What are your thoughts on this?
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I think it will simply because it's the last generation of consoles that you can play right off the disc, without updates.
While there are exceptions with certain games that have game breaking glitches that have to be fixed via update, those are far and few in-between.
PS4 and Xbox One require online verification to play most-disc based games. That's going to be a problem when there's no more online service for XBox One or PS4 in the future.
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I think it will simply because it's the last generation of consoles that you can play right off the disc, without updates.
While there are exceptions with certain games that have game breaking glitches that have to be fixed via update, those are far and few in-between.
PS4 and Xbox One require online verification to play most-disc based games. That's going to be a problem when there's no more online service for XBox One or PS4 in the future.
Those are all great points and I've thought about this issue a lot. This is changing the subject slightly, but I think what may happen with some 7th gen games and certainly a lot of 8th gen games is certain versions, specifically later versions of certain games being more collectable. While I loath greatest hits releases, mostly because of their almost universal ugly color scheme, they almost always have the most up to date and patches versions of specific games. For those games that don't receive greatest hits, assuming the game was relatively popular, the game will receive reprints that sometimes include on-disk fixes to glitches and bugs. And then there are those games that do not get updated, at least on disk, and yes, once the online support ends for these you're left with a paper weight. I think that maybe the later version releases of these games will be the ones to look out for, with release info being a guide as to what version of the game you're buying. This might only be somewhat important for the 7th gen consoles, but could prove crucial for 8th gen. It should be very interesting what 8th gen collecting looks like in another decade or so when the servers for them go completely dark.
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I don’t know about collectors but I can see some players gravitating toward them due to no game installs and no day one patches.
I’m certainly less excited for next gen knowing that 100GB+ installs are already here, 4K textures will be the target and consoles have largely lost their few advantages over PCs.
I can see a world where next gen games are $70, take at least 80GB to install and require an expensive system with only 1TB of space.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Microsoft and/or Sony adopted streaming for the next gen (in light of what the install size of 4K games would be) and subscription services (in light of what the price of 4K games would be).
PS3 and XB360 are really the last traditional put a disc in and play off the disc systems.
I had a 360 all of the 7th gen and it sounds like a jet engine now. If next gen sucks I’ll stick to PC and consider picking up a PS3 which I haven’t owned before. Cheaper games, faster install, no patches needed.
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There will always be a market for collecting any game system, but comparably I think it will be among the weakest for a few reasons.
The first reason is that this is the generation where graphics reached a virtual plateau. I'm not saying the newer generation hasn't improved the graphics, but each successive one takes a smaller leap forwards and this is the first one I think it was hardly noticeable. This gives it much less of a definition compared to the previous generations that have very unique era-specific looks. It could be reasonably argued this maybe even occurred in the previous generation by some, but I personally see it as a 7th gen thing.
The next is one of practicality - the systems of this generation SUCK when it comes to the longevity of the console's life-span. The 360 is of course notorious for bricking itself, and I think the PS3 isn't too far behind with the yellow light. I don't know anything specific about the Wii having major problems, but it woulden't surprise me if it did. Systems from the late 70's are still working fine today because of their simplicity, but because of the complexity and just longevity being an afterthought, I think this gen will die even before some gens 20 years their senior. This could be argued to make them more desirable, but their ubiquity will probably keep people from thinking of it before it starts to become too late.
As for my personal thoughts on them, I'd be most interested in the Wii because I don't know of any specific time-bombs in it's build, and because Nintendo systems are always just the template for collecting. It's library is also like 70% shovelwear which is kind of interesting in a retrospective way, though it just annoying when it was new. Try play some random Wii shovelwear sometime, it's often a hilarious time.
Choosing between the PS3 and 360 is difficult, but i think I'd put 360 over PS3. I think the Xbox is one of the worst non-failure consoles ever, they should have just renamed it Halo-machine because I think the brand would have died without it, and the Xbone is basically continuing it's legacy of mediocrity in a new time where console gaming is bordering on obsolete. However, the 360 was the absolute winner of the 7th gen in my opinion. It was the most ubiquitous console at a time where consoles hit their peak with a lot of good franchises, benchmark-setting online functionality and a pretty great controller. I'd like to collect more for it even now... if mine hadn't red-ringed a few years after I got it like every other damn one... if only it's internal design matched it's other lofty achievements.
I called out the Xbox for being a Halo-machine... but the sole reason I bought my PS3 was to be a LittleBigPlanet machine. Maybe my favorite new franchise from the era, but I wish so bad it wasn't a damn console exclusive. I didn't do much else on my PS3 except for a lot of PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale which was a great Smash alternative they coldly killed because it wasn't as big as Smash (which is impossible), which miffed me a lot. Now Cloud is in Smash when he should have been in PSASBR and it's not outside the realms of possibility Crash Bandicoot could be in one day, making Smash a better PSASBR than PSASBR, which is funny in a sad way. There just weren't many unique games I cared about for PS3, and any multi-plat I would surely get on 360.
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Weirdly enough, I'm suddenly finding myself having a lot more fun than before playing the PS3 since the PS4 generation started. I'm not sure why, it just feels really good to play all of a sudden for some reason. Maybe because it's close in technical quality to PS4 games but without as much of the faffing around. I think it's probably gonna be a main focus for me, at least, so I'll probably be buying a lot more PS3 games. As for other people, hard to predict, but once people who grew up with the PS3 become the new collectors I don't see why it wouldn't be a collectible system in the same way the PS1 and 2 are.
Xbox 360 I haven't really cared about at all since getting my PS3, the Wii I've never liked.
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You might be overestimating the Xbox Brand. The prices have risen for the original xbox. It's hard to find some of the exclusives for a cheap price.
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I'm mostly basing my answer off of their current popularity among collectors and nostalgia lovers. It's a good tell tale sign looking at the current market of Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360. I for the most part agree with everything you said.
Wii - B It's nintendo lol. Anything with the big N on it someone, somewhere will want to buy and love it like a new born child. I already know at least 3 friends going for full Wii U and Wii sets. That love the console very whole heartedly. Nintendo seems to always retain more replay value and collectbility for the sole fact that they make single player masterpieces and PS3 and 360 make disposable first person shooters and tons of online only filler that people will forget about in 10 years. Now totally but a good portion. Do I love PS3 and 360 way more? Definitely. But Wii will always have way more nostalgia among kids.
PS3 - C- Honestly, it has so much filler. So many cross platform games. So many games that either got remastered on PS4, were already on PS2, or got replaced by bigger better titles in the same franchise like all the need for speeds, call of dutys, maddens and racing games. It's gran turismo franchise fell flat compared to the PS2 ones. 1 good sly game was also on Vita. A lot of cool collections. Games like Uncharted got a remaster, so did god of war, last of us and all the heavy hitters. It's only main niche and why it will be a C- is the JRPGs it does have. Many want them and will collect them. It does have many exclusive RPG quality. But not enough to compare it to many of consoles.
Xbox 360 - D+ It's a odd phenomenon that I can't explain. Xbox is always my favorite during the moment. But later on when 10+ years pass. I like collecting Nintendo and Playstation slightly more. I just don't find it collectible. I really try to get into collecting 360 and it just seems like not as fun and soulful as collecting playstation and Nintendo. Can't put my finger on as to why. But maybe i'll change that soon. I do love it very much :).
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I agree in terms of retro collecting for the original xbox
wii is already somewhat collectible more so than original xbox by allot. xbox might be somewhere at the very bottom in terms of people collecting older games go if we would exclude xbox 360 and ps3.
Not to mention xbox sales weren't that great in the past it did almost as bad as the gamecube, allot of xbox games even in terms of the more common games have way less supply of games and can be tough to find at times. even though the rare games have way less supply than the rare games on gamecube or ps2 etc wich go for way more there are just way less collectors and many of the rare games except for a select few aren't that pricy as a result even if they happen to be pretty good. also the excellent exclusives wich are uncommon at the very least aren't that pricy compared to the other consoles.
it also doesn't help that the og xbox library in general isn't that great and pretty small in terms of excusives wich might be the main reason why there are way less collectors for xbox than there are for ps2 and gamecube.
xbox 360 will be at the very bottom as far as collecting goes, but I would not put much distance between ps3 and xbox 360 to be honest. Those generations with pretty much every game having a collectors edition steel book editions, multiple versions of normal games etc etc, These systems where made to collect while in the past it was to play and not to collect in the slightest with pretty much only 1 single normal version of a game, special editions where rare to non existant except if you would live in japan in wich case there where allot more CE even for the older games. I'm pretty sure supply for the xbox 360 and ps3 will be plenty compared to the people wanting to seriously collect for the system.
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We'll know for sure by 2030.
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The only thing I don't like about the 7th generation is the fact that the automatic patches for the games may no longer be available much longer (time of post 10-4-2018)
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Xbox and PS2 haven't peeked yet.
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When it comes to the 360 vs. PS3, the 360 does have one major advantage: forwards compatibility. Currently, about 550 games from the 360 library are playable on the Xbox One, and that list includes almost every major non-sports IP for the system. This makes the game's overall lifespan in the public eye longer and helps keep some of the demand up. We saw that in the previous generation too, where the original Xbox games that were playable on the 360 held value better than ones that weren't (and again recently, where the original Xbox games made playable on the One saw a jump in value).
So, while the system itself may not be collectible, the games will still be.
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We'll know for sure by 2030.
THIS- I honestly think it's even still a little too early to make the call on PS2 and OG Xbox... these are systems not even 20 years old yet, and it seems like prime time for nostalgia is closer to the 25-30 year mark. Right now is the window for PS1 to try and knock Nintendo down a peg, but the Big N's got their nostalgia game down pat, & I'm not sure the PS1 classic on its own is gonna cut it. Plus, I feel like the PS1's window is a little off due to all the backwards compatibility- heck, you didn't lose it until the PS4 came out! It's hard to build nostalgia for games you never had to give up. As a result, I kinda think PS1 and PS2 will end up 'hitting' around the same time. Even though you could still use PS1 on PS3, it wasn't terribly well advertised & given PS2 didn't work I think more people made a clean break then.
Anyway, for Gen 7... I think Xbox 360 will do better than expected, as Microsoft's little sprinkles of partial BC will help keep interest up more than full BC could have, like some bizarre nostalgia appetizer. However- they're gonna have to go full-out at the right time with BC, either through a separate console or adding to whatever the current Xbox is, becuase the machines themselves aren't holding up so good. That red-ring reputation isn't gonna do the 360 any favors as it ages.
PS3 I think will fare a bit worse, due to being overall less popular in the day, and- more importantly- remasters. So many of the big games on PS3 have seen PS4 collections & upgrades that it's going to hurt its chances for viability in the retro scene. Unless there's a hefty bunch of hidden gems & exclusive b-tier titles to be discovered later on.
The big winner is going to be the Wii, hands down. While not necessary, many 360 & PS3 games still had patches to download. Not so for Wii, which means games will always work as remembered. Wii used external SD cards for memory, meaning there's an abundant supply of it out there (as opposed to 360's proprietary drives) and it's easy to install (unlike PS3's internal one.) And lastly- the Wii had a massive install base. Meaning there's a lot of people out there whose first gaming console was a Wii. That's the kind of thing that's gonna stick in your head until you're in your 30s/40s, looking to rebuy your youth & share it with your kids. Wii's gonna be big someday.
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I don't understand why everyone thinks XBox 360 will be the least desirable of the generation. I would have given that to PS3.
XBox 360 has a much larger library of games, and it had a much larger user base. So more people played more games on 360 than they did PS3.
And of course Wii is Nintendo. We all know Nintendo consoles become collectible, even if they bomb (Virtual Boy).
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The winner will obviously be the Wii. I'm goign to choose thw PS3 over the X360 simply because of the number of exclusives the console has. Sure, many PS3 exclusives have been/will be remastered/re-released for the PS4, but not all of them.
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Xbox and PS2 haven't peeked yet.
What are you basing this statement off of?
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THIS- I honestly think it's even still a little too early to make the call on PS2 and OG Xbox... these are systems not even 20 years old yet, and it seems like prime time for nostalgia is closer to the 25-30 year mark. Right now is the window for PS1 to try and knock Nintendo down a peg, but the Big N's got their nostalgia game down pat, & I'm not sure the PS1 classic on its own is gonna cut it. Plus, I feel like the PS1's window is a little off due to all the backwards compatibility- heck, you didn't lose it until the PS4 came out! It's hard to build nostalgia for games you never had to give up. As a result, I kinda think PS1 and PS2 will end up 'hitting' around the same time. Even though you could still use PS1 on PS3, it wasn't terribly well advertised & given PS2 didn't work I think more people made a clean break then.
At this point I don't believe there is a set amount of years for a console to become nostalgic and people focus on collecting for it. I feel like what happened is the NES, Genesis, and SNES really kickstarted the video game collecting craze, and as soon at it become too expensive and difficult to collect for these systems, or people found all the games they wanted for these specific platforms, they moved on to later systems that weren't as hard to collect for. I don't think there is a huge group of future collectors that are sitting on a nostalgic time bomb that will go off in another 10-years for the PS2 or original XBOX, I think most people who ever wanted to collect for them have already began to do so. Of course I'm basing this on what I've seen, but I think Gen 6 was definitely old enough to where nostalgia has already hit its stride and it was roped into the retro video game collecting craze regardless of whether people feel gen 6 is actually retro or not.
I feel like gen 7 however was still seen as modern, and therefore its day in the collecting spotlight has yet to come for the majority of people. This also begs the question if gen 7 will ever become heavily collected like previous generations for many of the reasons people have brought up. I personally believe it will, but I doubt it will ever reach the peaks that the NES, Genesis, SNES, N64 Saturn, and many of the other older consoles have reached, not even close.
PS3 I think will fare a bit worse, due to being overall less popular in the day, and- more importantly- remasters. So many of the big games on PS3 have seen PS4 collections & upgrades that it's going to hurt its chances for viability in the retro scene. Unless there's a hefty bunch of hidden gems & exclusive b-tier titles to be discovered later on.
As someone who has collected PS3 for several years now, I can tell you that the PS3 has an amazingly rich library of unique, interesting games, way more than the 360, that's for sure. I'm not saying that out of spite, just simply because I also have collected for the 360 as well and there are far more interesting, unique, hidden gem, and quarky games for it than the 360. On top of that there are a lot more exclusives for the PS3. I think the PS3 will enjoy a much more vibrant collecting scene than the 360 in a few years because of this and some of the reasons I mentioned in my original post.
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Xbox and PS2 haven't peeked yet.
What are you basing this statement off of?
Increases in prices on common games. Increasing demand for 6th gen games locally.
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System wise, the backwards compatibility will be the saving grace. PS3 being able to play PS1 and PS2 is huge and the crazy GameCube feature on the Wii is very nice.
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I haven't seen anyone talking about the generation of children yet (and forgive me if you did). Think about the twenty somethings now and what they grew up with. I feel it will primarily be that age range of children that will determine how persistent the 7th gen consoles will be for collectors.
Its hard to say what will be hot retro in five to ten years but I can stress that at this moment is when Xbox360, PS3, DS, and possibly PSP will be cheapest. Once they're out of the bargain bins at the brick and mortar stores they go silent for a while, and then only non traditional stores will have the stock. Thats the way its always been. I intentionally left the Wii out of this list because, while I do see a half doz listed on LetGo at any given time, the systems keep their valve due to the ease of soft modding.
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As someone who has collected PS3 for several years now, I can tell you that the PS3 has an amazingly rich library of unique, interesting games, way more than the 360, that's for sure. I'm not saying that out of spite, just simply because I also have collected for the 360 as well and there are far more interesting, unique, hidden gem, and quarky games for it than the 360. On top of that there are a lot more exclusives for the PS3. I think the PS3 will enjoy a much more vibrant collecting scene than the 360 in a few years because of this and some of the reasons I mentioned in my original post. [/font][/size]
I look forward to learning about some of these games then!
That's not saracasm- there does seem to be a shift in focus on what games get attention once a system starts to roll into the 'retro' time of its existence, that just didn't get coverage during the heyday of the machine due to being slightly underwhelming graphically, or an odd genre for the time, or just poorly advertised. These often end up being some of my favorite titles, so I'm always excited when a system is old enough to start getting 'hidden gem' type content out there.
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System wise, the backwards compatibility will be the saving grace. PS3 being able to play PS1 and PS2 is huge and the crazy GameCube feature on the Wii is very nice.
That's a good point. I don't even use my Wii to play Wii games, it's for GameCube games. I play Wii games on the Wii U. Because the Wii component cables are damn cheaper than the GameCube ones. And Wii on Wii U is using HDMI.
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System wise, the backwards compatibility will be the saving grace. PS3 being able to play PS1 and PS2 is huge and the crazy GameCube feature on the Wii is very nice.
That's a good point. I don't even use my Wii to play Wii games, it's for GameCube games. I play Wii games on the Wii U. Because the Wii component cables are damn cheaper than the GameCube ones. And Wii on Wii U is using HDMI.
Gamecube component cables are usually used for the gameboy player for them gameboy gba and gba games not for gamecube games.
There is however a slight difference in quality as far as component cables go as the gamecube cable gives a better picture than the wii one, but the difference is pretty minor.
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Xbox and PS2 haven't peeked yet.
What are you basing this statement off of?
Increases in prices on common games. Increasing demand for 6th gen games locally.
this says otherwise:
https://www.pricecharting.com/console/playstation-2 (https://www.pricecharting.com/console/playstation-2)
https://www.pricecharting.com/console/xbox
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As someone who has collected PS3 for several years now, I can tell you that the PS3 has an amazingly rich library of unique, interesting games, way more than the 360, that's for sure. I'm not saying that out of spite, just simply because I also have collected for the 360 as well and there are far more interesting, unique, hidden gem, and quarky games for it than the 360. On top of that there are a lot more exclusives for the PS3. I think the PS3 will enjoy a much more vibrant collecting scene than the 360 in a few years because of this and some of the reasons I mentioned in my original post.
I look forward to learning about some of these games then!
That's not saracasm- there does seem to be a shift in focus on what games get attention once a system starts to roll into the 'retro' time of its existence, that just didn't get coverage during the heyday of the machine due to being slightly underwhelming graphically, or an odd genre for the time, or just poorly advertised. These often end up being some of my favorite titles, so I'm always excited when a system is old enough to start getting 'hidden gem' type content out there.
Yeah, there are a ton of non-AAA games on it that got little to no press when they came out and outside of niche audience they mostly went unnoticed. It's hard to say whether right now is the best time in terms of price to collect for the PS3 (that goes for the 360 and Wii as well), but at least we have Gamestop right now which through their inventory search system makes it easy to track down some of the rarer titles on the PS3. I can't say it's library is a quarky as the PS2, and definitely not the PS1, but there are still a lot of cool, interesting, fun games for it.
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Xbox and PS2 haven't peeked yet.
What are you basing this statement off of?
Increases in prices on common games. Increasing demand for 6th gen games locally.
this says otherwise:
https://www.pricecharting.com/console/playstation-2 (https://www.pricecharting.com/console/playstation-2)
https://www.pricecharting.com/console/xbox
Pricecharting also says the average Atari 2600 game is 20$ and that NES hasn't peaked.
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Pricecharting also says the average Atari 2600 game is 20$ and that NES hasn't peaked.
Last time I saw Atari 2600 games for sale locally they were I think $5 a piece?
System wise, the backwards compatibility will be the saving grace. PS3 being able to play PS1 and PS2 is huge and the crazy GameCube feature on the Wii is very nice.
also you can store PlayStation 1 save files onto any PlayStation 3's internal hardrive and never need another PS1 memory card again!, and have almost unlimited PS1 storage on the 250 and 500 gigabyte internal hard drive super slims. OR PS2 memory cards if you have an older model PlayStation 2. But you can also have PS2 memory card on a PS3 new model but you still can't play PS2 games on a PS3 super slim or a regular slim
TO UPGRADE YOUR OLD MODEL PLAYSTATION 3 I HIGHLY RECOMMEND UPGRADING IT'S INTERNAL HARD DRIVE TO THIS
2.5-inch SATA notebook hard disk with no more storage capacity then ITB and formatted to only FAT32 format
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The multi system games in my experience usually cost more on the 360, especially collectors editions.
The most enjoyable to collect for is obviously going to be the system you like playing most.
The exclusives for each console in my opinion are going to be the ones most sought after.
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The multi system games in my experience usually cost more on the 360, especially collectors editions.
The most enjoyable to collect for is obviously going to be the system you like playing most.
The exclusives for each console in my opinion are going to be the ones most sought after.
In europe it's different
The multiplatform games have more value on ps3, retail stores for 2nd hand games charge more for ps3 on pretty much everything and on the 2nd market ps3 games are higher in price. Xbox 360 is cheap as chips except for some games wich are usually not on the market and even if they are not that expensive by any means not that ps3 is pricy in the first place. the cheap games on ps3 are a bit more expensive than xbox 360, Also sought after games such as nier command a higher price on ps3.
As far as the actual expensive collectors editions go as say the rare first CE of assasins greed and allot of the other more rare once in europe the ps3 versions have way more value sometimes even multiple times even though the xbox 360 version is just as rare if not more.
I think the only saving grace of the xbox 360 will be the better shoot em up department, especially on the import side, that's the only main difference since there seem to be way less interesting games on the xbox 360.
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In europe it's different
I'd imagine that's because the PS3 had better market share over there. While both systems sold about 86 million consoles overall, the PS3 did best in Europe with 34 million consoles sold compared to the 360's 25, and in North America, the 360 dominated, with 49 million consoles sold to the PS3's 27.
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In europe it's different
I'd imagine that's because the PS3 had better market share over there. While both systems sold about 86 million consoles overall, the PS3 did best in Europe with 34 million consoles sold compared to the 360's 25, and in North America, the 360 dominated, with 49 million consoles sold to the PS3's 27.
I guess the higher prices are decided by convenience, and the console that sold more has more people wanting them games creating a higher demand. Pretty interesting that the xbox 360 dominated in The US I didn't know that. I do know that both consoles did pretty well in terms of sales and were pretty popular not necessarily profits though as far as especially the first models of ps3 go.
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I still don't think exclusives will solely decide what's more collectible for that generation.
GameCube has more exclusives, but PS2 is the more collected system.
It's all about that nostalgia when the kids of that generation hit a certain age.
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Nostalgia does play a huge role in collecting, but I still think it comes down to what was popular and most played at that time.
My PS2 collection definitely dominates over my GameCube and Xbox. Kinda the reason I believe the exclusives for each system to be the most collectible. Unless you’re going for complete sets, the multi platform games seam less important.
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I still don't think exclusives will solely decide what's more collectible for that generation.
GameCube has more exclusives, but PS2 is the more collected system.
It's all about that nostalgia when the kids of that generation hit a certain age.
First of all ps2 is the console that has more exclusives but the gamecube ones in general are heavy hitters.
i don't know why one would think ps2 is the more collected system over gamecube
yes it has more exclusives, it's cheaper and it sold way better back in the day.
While gamecube has a way smaller library there are way more serious collectors for gamecube and plenty that don't even collect for ps2 instead of the other way around
Gamecube has many full set collectors ps2 barely any, even common trash gamecube games have some value and a chance to sell while ps2 and xbox ones are trash.
The Gamecube exclusives are overhyped resulting in them being pricy while the ones on ps2 in general it doesn't even come close unless it is actually very uncommon and an excellent game at the very least.
From what i have seen ps2 is quite a niche as far as collectors go and usually only for specific kinds of games it's a way smaller group than people who collect gamecube even though the library is allot smaller.
I have no clue why one would think that more people seriously collect for ps2 when you take into consideration that gamecube prices are pretty high overhyped and there are actually quite some people out there who want a full set for gamecube ::)
I don't see ps2 being overhyped more like the under dog in terms of collecting. Gamecube on the otherhand that's another story, your statement seems pretty illogical that the ps2 is the more serious collected console.
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^ It's more popular. That's the only logic behind. And there's no doubt PS2 is more popular than GameCube.
Maybe not in Europe where you're at. But there's no doubt about it in the U.S. PS2 was by and far the more popular console that generation and is more widely loved here. (That's not to say the GameCube is bad, by any means).
Just because something is rare, doesn't mean it's more wanted. Super Mario Bros. is the most common NES game ever, but I have yet to see an NES collector that doesn't want that game in their collection.
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^ It's more popular. That's the only logic behind. And there's no doubt PS2 is more popular than GameCube.
Maybe not in Europe where you're at. But there's no doubt about it in the U.S. PS2 was by and far the more popular console that generation and is more widely loved here. (That's not to say the GameCube is bad, by any means).
Just because something is rare, doesn't mean it's more wanted. Super Mario Bros. is the most common NES game ever, but I have yet to see an NES collector that doesn't want that game in their collection.
Ps2 sold allot better than gamecube in the past also in europe, in the past it was indeed the more popular console. gamecube sales were pretty bad comparable with xbox.
But in terms of collecting at this day it's the other way around, the main stream crowd for those games that didn't age to well are gone It's a different beast at this moment.
If were talking about collecting at this day even in the US the gamecube is hyped not ps2 I'm pretty sure of that. I have not seen the ps2 being hyped by any stretch of the imagination compared to gamecube.
so you say ps2 is more hyped the more collected system than the gamecube in the US at this very day? I hardly believe it unless multiple people on this forum will say that it's really the case as far as the US goes in terms of collecting for ps2 and gamecube games go.
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Hardcore collectors, sure. But I'm not talking about them, alone. We're talking about what system will be more desireable, in general.
It's not the hardcore collectors that are gonna decide that. We're already there. We're already collecting. It's that big casual crowd, that gets that nostalgic bug in them, that's really gonna decide it. When that happens, you're gonna see a bigger boom in collecting for that generation.
Atari 2600 is the most collected system of that generation, it was the most popular. NES is the most collected system of that generation...it's also the most popular of that generation. SNES is the most collected of that generation, again, the most popular. I see that trend continuing.
You ask collectors what was their favorite console of all time, and PS2 is usually a top contender. PS2 is damn common, and cheap. Still highly collected regardless.
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Hardcore collectors, sure. But I'm not talking about them, alone. We're talking about what system will be more desireable, in general.
It's not the hardcore collectors that are gonna decide that. We're already there. We're already collecting. It's that big casual crowd, that gets that nostalgic bug in them, that's really gonna decide it. When that happens, you're gonna see a bigger boom in collecting for that generation.
Atari 2600 is the most collected system of that generation, it was the most popular. NES is the most collected system of that generation...it's also the most popular of that generation. SNES is the most collected of that generation, again, the most popular. I see that trend continuing.
You ask collectors what was their favorite console of all time, and PS2 is usually a top contender. PS2 is damn common, and cheap. Still highly collected regardless.
the mainstream titles of ps2 are for example GTA kingdom hearts jak & daxter ratchet and clank gran tourismo sports games etc
Also as far as those mainstream games goes, pretty much all of them have remasters or superior newer versions so there is very little reason for the casual crowd to return to the ps2 to find those games from the past.
Problem with the majority of the many ps2 exclusives is that the games are niche very niche pretty much no one played them back in the day. The ps2 has a huge library but allot of titles sold very poorly and most of the casual people stuck with sports games or the mainstream games wich I mentioned.
i'm not seeing it i highly doubt there will be a major boom for ps2 and if there will be one it won't be noticed since It's super easy to pick up a system with some sports games or gta or even some of the mascot games. The boom for ps2 has already happened for the niche excellent games but I highly doubt a casual boom would make a difference since those games were probably not played in the past by those casual people who are seeking for nostalgic moments on ps2.
Besides gamecube is from the same generation so a ps2 boom is probably already here but just not as much as with the gamecube.
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Guess I wasn't being specific enough. Meant we will see what will be more highly collected in the 360/PS3 era when those kids get nostalgic.
PS2 is already the most popular of its generation.
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Xbox and PS2 haven't peeked yet.
What are you basing this statement off of?
Increases in prices on common games. Increasing demand for 6th gen games locally.
this says otherwise:
https://www.pricecharting.com/console/playstation-2 (https://www.pricecharting.com/console/playstation-2)
https://www.pricecharting.com/console/xbox (https://www.pricecharting.com/console/xbox)
Pricecharting also says the average Atari 2600 game is 20$ and that NES hasn't peaked.
We aren't talking average game prices though, we're talking about peaking prices, which those graphs shows is plateauing or declining overall. Averages are easily effected by extreme examples in the distribution. Even if 95% of the 2600 library are worth under $5 all it takes is Happy Birthday or Air Raid II selling for 15k to skew the entire distribution.
And regarding NES, I feel like it certainly has peaked. It's been stable at $26 to $27 for over 2-years. I think the only other place it is headed is down, as is the case with most other retro consoles.
If you look at the PS2 and XBOX, out original examples they too have been plateauing for long periods of time, indicating their peak interest most likely.
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For me the most collectable 7th gen system is
1.xbox360
2.Wii
3.ps3
In this order. Xbox was amazing so many exclusive games the Wii had a lot of exclusive games also and the ps3 had some great exclusive games but not as many imo.and most games ran better on xbox360 than on ps3 because games were easier to develop on the 360 so alot of games were tailor made to run on 360.That being said I liked all three systems and collect for all of them.
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I think it will be valuable to collectors because this was the last generation where we actually got manuals and the digital thing really didn't take off quite yet. I don't know if a lot of the games will be going for crazy money anytime soon, but there will be collectors for those systems mentioned in the OP.