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Title: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: oldgamerz on September 16, 2019, 02:59:21 pm
I am just curious to hear from all of you collectors what games that you have seen or found both common and over $20 USD online or offline. I am not planing on selling anything but I thought I'd ask anyway.

personally In the past I found a lot of retro RPG games generally to cost more then other genres. Sports I know for a fact that they have always been the cheapest in the wild and online both. I saw how expensive it is to buy a lot of super Nintendo games were last time I went looking for SNES games.

I am talking about games like Zelda series, almost everything Mario related, I've seen 007 Goldeneye for the N64 going over $20 USD as well

my list:
Legend Of Zelda Series
Anything Mario Related
Final Fantasy Series any for the PlayStation 1
Donkey Kong series any that I saw for sale
Banjo Kazooie/toowie
Spiro Series on PlayStation 1
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: weirdfeline on September 16, 2019, 03:04:44 pm
Most Mario Party games.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: Cartagia on September 16, 2019, 03:48:56 pm
I’d say (almost) any game that was popular and is over 15 years old should never be expected to be under $15 at the lowest - regardless of rarity.  There’s a cost associated with quality.  If a game was good people will pay for it.  Your only exceptions are the uber-popular ever-present titles like Super Mario Bros. where the sheer quantity keeps cost down.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: oldgamerz on September 16, 2019, 05:42:50 pm
I’d say (almost) any game that was popular and is over 15 years old should never be expected to be under $15 at the lowest - regardless of rarity.  There’s a cost associated with quality.  If a game was good people will pay for it.  Your only exceptions are the uber-popular ever-present titles like Super Mario Bros. where the sheer quantity keeps cost down.

I just buy what is currently at a low price first, and then see about getting an expensive or popular game. afterward my collection may be large but does not have a lot of popular or expensive titles that are originals. I don't want to pay for a game that I probably won't like. when something else like it is available for less. If I get robbed or my house is set fire it won't hurt as bad if the games I had did not cost as much

A lot of games that are popular like mario were never a favorite of mine.



The platforms I grew up on for PC I don't think anyone has heard of. Has anyone ever played

Skunny: Save Our Pizzas! for PC/MSDOS?

or
Jill Of The Jungle for PC/MSDOS
or
Duke Nukum origional episode 1,2 &,3 PC/MSDOS
or
Duke Nukem II for PC/MSDOS
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: bikingjahuty on September 16, 2019, 09:22:04 pm
A lot of older first party Nintendo games on the N64 and Gamecube.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: wartoy on September 16, 2019, 09:42:47 pm
Earthbound for snes is very expensive but also common it's always has alot of sellers on ebay yet almost never drops in price.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: bikingjahuty on September 17, 2019, 01:08:21 am
Earthbound for snes is very expensive but also common it's always has alot of sellers on ebay yet almost never drops in price.


I feel like it skates that edge between common and uncommon. It makes me cringe whenever someone claims it's a rare game, not even close.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: sworddude on September 17, 2019, 04:52:04 am
Earthbound for snes is very expensive but also common it's always has alot of sellers on ebay yet almost never drops in price.


I feel like it skates that edge between common and uncommon. It makes me cringe whenever someone claims it's a rare game, not even close.

how can something that's a maximum of only uncommon be that high in price?

If that would be the case wouldn't it have the same price range as say secret of mana 30 ish $ for a lose cart let alone the insane prices of a cib copy. should be way lower. we all know that sought after games that have enough copies either have some decent value value or low affordable value but not insane value such as earthbound that doesnt make any sense.

seems to me like high value items end up on the market allot more often since people need money resellers just like with examples such as panzer dragoon saga little samsom but being less rare than those 2

everything can be made common on ebay if all people decide to sell the same items.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: dreama1 on September 17, 2019, 06:39:53 am
How are you defining common anyway? Do you mean in the sense that it's rare but can you can find a fair amount of copies listed online?
Do you mean listings barely show up? or do you mean if they printed a few million copies? If so Earthbound is hardly common and it sold like shit when it came out.

I'd go with Final Fantasy 7. It's pretty expensive for how common it is.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: oldgamerz on September 17, 2019, 06:54:19 am
How are you defining common anyway? Do you mean in the sense that it's rare but can you can find a fair amount of copies listed online?
Do you mean listings barely show up? or do you mean if they printed a few million copies? If so Earthbound is hardly common and it sold like shit when it came out.

I'd go with Final Fantasy 7. It's pretty expensive for how common it is.

if you're asking me then I meant a few million copies slightly less. Also in my opinion just because a game is expensive cheap or common or rare, often times that don't increase the quality or the price of the item, it's sheer chance and YouTube influences that drive a lot of prices up

I kid you not, I once saw a seller on Amazon selling a PlayStation 2 phat for exactly $1,000,000 US dollars and someone might have bought it too. or it went down in price because it is long gone from amazon.com

(edit)
Mickey Speedway USA for the N64 is a Mario Kart clone and it's an excellent alternative for a kart style racing game but because it's not mario related it is not as popular and is way cheaper, at least when I got it





Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: Cartagia on September 17, 2019, 06:55:20 am
Earthbound for snes is very expensive but also common it's always has alot of sellers on ebay yet almost never drops in price.


I feel like it skates that edge between common and uncommon. It makes me cringe whenever someone claims it's a rare game, not even close.

Nothing that sold less than 150,000 units could be considered common, IMO.  The price is still way too high, but its hardly common I think.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: dreama1 on September 17, 2019, 07:06:25 am
How are you defining common anyway? Do you mean in the sense that it's rare but can you can find a fair amount of copies listed online?
Do you mean listings barely show up? or do you mean if they printed a few million copies? If so Earthbound is hardly common and it sold like shit when it came out.

I'd go with Final Fantasy 7. It's pretty expensive for how common it is.

if you're asking me then I meant a few million copies slightly less. Also in my opinion just because a game is expensive cheap or common or rare, often times that don't increase the quality or the price of the item, it's sheer chance and YouTube influences that drive a lot of prices up

I kid you not, I once saw a seller on Amazon selling a PlayStation 2 phat for exactly $1,000,000 US dollars and someone might have bought it too. or it went down in price because it is long gone from amazon.com

(edit)
Mickey Speedway USA for the N64 is a Mario Kart clone and it's an excellent alternative for a kart style racing game but because it's not mario related it is not as popular and is way cheaper, at least when I got it
How does someone sleep at night or look at themselves in the mirror listing that at $1,000,000?
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: hoshichiri on September 17, 2019, 09:29:49 am
Earthbound is 'rare' in that, compared to the likes of Mario & such, it had a much lower print run. It's not something you can expect to find in every game shop you ever visit. It's got enough reputation as a 'pricey' game, however, that plenty of resellers gobbled up copies and are now looking to turn a profit. Which is why the prices don't seem to drop- these guys will happily sit on those copies for years until they either turn a profit, or it becomes readily apparent they have to lower their prices. Which tends to happen when players/collectors selling amongst themselves drop prices to expedite sales- after all, we want to buy new games more than make a certain amount of money.

I tend to use the Ebay test for true rarity- basically, look up a game and see how many listings there are. If you can find a dozen copies for sale at any given time, it's not really that rare. There's several dozen Earthbounds up once you scroll past the obvious fakes. Then on the flipside, you have something like Video Whizball, an old Channel F game that most people won't have heard of. That one's rare enough that most days, there are zero copies available on Ebay. Most games like that, that are truly rare, have no set value becuase there's no past data to really pull from. In the case of Whizball, in the year I watched Ebay, lamenting listings I missed by minutes, I saw it go as low at $5 and as high as $200. I ultimately paid $40 on a different forum.

It's also worth noting that everyone has different ideas of what a properly 'expensive' game is. I, for example, wouldn't blink an eye at a $20 game, especially one of known quality like a Zelda or Mario. Over $30 is 'pricey', expensive doesn't start until $50, and unaffordable is well into triple digits. Meawhile some people drop $1000 or more on single titles without a concern. Honestly, that's kind of the nice thing about gaming- almost every income level can find something enjoyable for themselves in it.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: wartoy on September 17, 2019, 07:54:22 pm
Well I guess it's all a matter of opinion but i feel a game like panzer dragoon with about 5000 copies sold is rare and a game that sold over 100,000 copies relatively common imo.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: sworddude on September 18, 2019, 05:29:11 am
Well I guess it's all a matter of opinion but i feel a game like panzer dragoon with about 5000 copies sold is rare and a game that sold over 100,000 copies relatively common imo.

everything is relative. The nintendo market is allot bigger, saturn is a failed console with a way smaller market. probably some common games wich have less amounts sold than the rarer titles pretty much the entire library didnt sell 100K units a piece in the US.

but than again panzer dragoon is one of the holy grails with 5000 copies sold in the US. for it to be a holy grail in say funko pop the amounts are 48 or less in existence so you could say panzer dragoon saga is common compared to some pops everything is relative after all  ::)
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: turf on September 18, 2019, 02:05:57 pm
Smash Bros. (Any iteration)
They all hold their value. There’s millions of N64 and Melee out there, but they’re still more than I like paying.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: Warmsignal on September 19, 2019, 11:17:47 pm
Pretty much any Nintendo franchise game, and the majority of the SNES library in general. It's the console with the sole most artificially inflated prices of all time. Everyone and their grandmother has a copy of Chrono Trigger, or Mega Man 7 sell you for $200. Much of SNES is like Sega Saturn prices for PS2 level quantities, or at least equivalents of that era. How that bubble doesn't pop, I don't know.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: sworddude on September 20, 2019, 06:04:58 am
Pretty much any Nintendo franchise game, and the majority of the SNES library in general. It's the console with the sole most artificially inflated prices of all time. Everyone and their grandmother has a copy of Chrono Trigger, or Mega Man 7 sell you for $200. Much of SNES is like Sega Saturn prices for PS2 level quantities, or at least equivalents of that era. How that bubble doesn't pop, I don't know.

if crono trigger and megaman 7 where so "common" why don't you and a ton of older collectors did not find those for cheap back in the day also how the **** are prices that high if they where so common everyone would be happy and have these games in their pocket how are we in this situation right now ::) There are some who did but majority who did not and complain I find that kinda funny actually. I would love to have both sadly luck is not on my side. megaman 7 more rare in europe I hate it.

anyways let's take this example

panzer dragoon sold 5K copies and sells for 700ish according to price charting

earthbound sold 140ish k copies

however a lose cart sells for 170

and a cib sells for 700+

so the lose carts are already way lower in value. you could probably compare a lose cart of earthbound with some of the more sought after ps1 games as rarity say suikoden II wich hey  ::) also sold 150K copies and goes for around 150ish http://www.vgchartz.com/game/4405/suikoden-ii/

suikoden II sold more copies than earthbound and also goes for 150ish $

and than we have nintendo cardboard cib. we all know what the rates are for cart vs cib. like 10 vs 1 20 vs 1 30 vs 1. it's bad best probs 10% of all copies are cib than you can take 50% of that for nice collectible examples

wich leaves you with roughly 7K collectible cib copies in other words bigger market interested in nintendo with only slightly more copies than panzer dragoon saga price difference not that bad anymore than. could be less cib copies btw

and you could argue that many panzer dragoon saga copies are lost. but I disagree since you had to pre order them back in the day so only hardcore people pre ordered them who usually take care of their stuff unlike with earthbound wich was most likely bought by a mom and dad for their kid in a bargain bin.

also it seems to me that 30K copies of panzer dragoon saga where released in the US not just 5K. so if were looking at cib copies for earthbound it might be more rare than panzer dragoon saga. and the lose carts where already way lower in value and could be compared to the sought after ps1 games wich roughly have the same quantities and price such as suikoden II

https://www.megavisionsmag.com/retrospective-panzer-dragoon-saga/


suikoden Ii already had such prices for years. and ps1 isnt that hyped even suikoden II for sure not as with snes. are the rare games on snes that overpriced if we would consider this?

lose carts are already in the same price range as some of the more sought after disc based games in those quantities and only the cib stuff goes for insane amounts but fair enough have way lower quantities compared with more rare stuff since there are so many more cart only copies everyone threw those boxes away.

Obviously there are more rare shitty games but that's not what where talking about. compared to other older systems doesnt seem that overpriced to me considering my arguments. obviously emulation and remasters for slightly more than a tenner are the issue for newcomers but those people are usually not the buyers for these kinds of things. but heck isnt that the case with all older collectibles?

i mean like it's not like your forced to buy original silver age comics when the exact same thing is reprinted for 5$ or less. those are way more insane than videogames. consideringen these go for thousands or hundreds of thousands. same goes for videogames you can just get a remaster or a download only or better emulation for free.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: hoshichiri on September 20, 2019, 10:31:47 am
Pretty much any Nintendo franchise game, and the majority of the SNES library in general. It's the console with the sole most artificially inflated prices of all time. Everyone and their grandmother has a copy of Chrono Trigger, or Mega Man 7 sell you for $200. Much of SNES is like Sega Saturn prices for PS2 level quantities, or at least equivalents of that era. How that bubble doesn't pop, I don't know.

That's pretty simple: everybody who didn't keep their Nintendos back in the day, wants the Nintendo titles when they get bit by the nostalgia bug. They're a reliable seller, so the price doesn't go down. As for the SNES specifically, it's currently in the sweet spot of nostalgic love so it's getting a lot more attention right now. It's also quickly moving out of that spot as the people who grew up on SNES see their own kids getting too old to care about mom & dad's retro games anymore, and the people buying into their childhoods either complete that task to their satisfaction or quit caring.

Honestly I think we're overdue for a PlayStation bubble to hit, but Sony's dropped the ball HARD on capitalizing nostalgia & disc-based clone systems aren't yet a thing. The clone systems being the bigger deal- once anyone can go into a retro shop & get a working nouveau PlayStation with an HDMI hookup on the cheap, stuff's gonna change real quick!

I also don't think we'll ever see a proper bubble 'burst'- more of a deflation. There's a lot more dedicated retro collectors these days, all with different sized wallets. I suspect rather than a sudden drop as peole seek to offload inventory, we'll see a slow decline as people drop prices gradually, making a few sales with each drop as it hits prices collectors with varying budgets will pay.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: Warmsignal on September 20, 2019, 09:17:39 pm
Pretty much any Nintendo franchise game, and the majority of the SNES library in general. It's the console with the sole most artificially inflated prices of all time. Everyone and their grandmother has a copy of Chrono Trigger, or Mega Man 7 sell you for $200. Much of SNES is like Sega Saturn prices for PS2 level quantities, or at least equivalents of that era. How that bubble doesn't pop, I don't know.

if crono trigger and megaman 7 where so "common" why don't you and a ton of older collectors did not find those for cheap back in the day also how the **** are prices that high if they where so common everyone would be happy and have these games in their pocket how are we in this situation right now ::) There are some who did but majority who did not and complain I find that kinda funny actually. I would love to have both sadly luck is not on my side. megaman 7 more rare in europe I hate it.

anyways let's take this example

panzer dragoon sold 5K copies and sells for 700ish according to price charting

earthbound sold 140ish k copies

however a lose cart sells for 170

and a cib sells for 700+

so the lose carts are already way lower in value. you could probably compare a lose cart of earthbound with some of the more sought after ps1 games as rarity say suikoden II wich hey  ::) also sold 150K copies and goes for around 150ish http://www.vgchartz.com/game/4405/suikoden-ii/

suikoden II sold more copies than earthbound and also goes for 150ish $

and than we have nintendo cardboard cib. we all know what the rates are for cart vs cib. like 10 vs 1 20 vs 1 30 vs 1. it's bad best probs 10% of all copies are cib than you can take 50% of that for nice collectible examples

wich leaves you with roughly 7K collectible cib copies in other words bigger market interested in nintendo with only slightly more copies than panzer dragoon saga price difference not that bad anymore than. could be less cib copies btw

and you could argue that many panzer dragoon saga copies are lost. but I disagree since you had to pre order them back in the day so only hardcore people pre ordered them who usually take care of their stuff unlike with earthbound wich was most likely bought by a mom and dad for their kid in a bargain bin.

also it seems to me that 30K copies of panzer dragoon saga where released in the US not just 5K. so if were looking at cib copies for earthbound it might be more rare than panzer dragoon saga. and the lose carts where already way lower in value and could be compared to the sought after ps1 games wich roughly have the same quantities and price such as suikoden II

https://www.megavisionsmag.com/retrospective-panzer-dragoon-saga/


suikoden Ii already had such prices for years. and ps1 isnt that hyped even suikoden II for sure not as with snes. are the rare games on snes that overpriced if we would consider this?

lose carts are already in the same price range as some of the more sought after disc based games in those quantities and only the cib stuff goes for insane amounts but fair enough have way lower quantities compared with more rare stuff since there are so many more cart only copies everyone threw those boxes away.

Obviously there are more rare shitty games but that's not what where talking about. compared to other older systems doesnt seem that overpriced to me considering my arguments. obviously emulation and remasters for slightly more than a tenner are the issue for newcomers but those people are usually not the buyers for these kinds of things. but heck isnt that the case with all older collectibles?

i mean like it's not like your forced to buy original silver age comics when the exact same thing is reprinted for 5$ or less. those are way more insane than videogames. consideringen these go for thousands or hundreds of thousands. same goes for videogames you can just get a remaster or a download only or better emulation for free.

They were readily available back in the day, and they still are. Lots of people have Mega Man 7 and Chrono Trigger. I personally don't want those titles because I have no passion for either series to be honest. In fact, I already own Chorno Trigger for DS though I've never felt compelled to play it. I also picked up the Mega Man on PS4 in case I felt the need to ever play those again. But everywhere I go, I see these carts for sale. The prices are that high because of the fandom and hype surrounding those series, a lot of people think those are some of the best games ever made, though I would highly disagree with that notion. Look at all the first 7 Mega Man games. All quite expensive, none of them truly rare, all of them basically the same thing. Chrono only entered the triple digit numbers over the past few years after being relatively affordable for many.

PDS, along with the other 1998 releases on Saturn are the exceptions, not the rule for Saturn rarity. I'm drawing a parallel more on the general prices for "common" Saturn games, which still command pretty hefty prices (as they should, they technically all bombed in sales), to SNES games which are on average much more plentiful than any Saturn game, commanding similar prices. For example, Nights Into Dreams -  fairly common by Saturn standards and roughly a $40 game. Contra III, quite common SNES game, roughly a $35 - $40 game. Both fairly popular titles on each platform. I'd wager way more copies of Contra III were printed compared to Nights, and yet prices are very similar. Hence how I conclude SNES is Saturn prices for PS2 level quantities. It's the most inflated prices of any mainstream successful console.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: Warmsignal on September 20, 2019, 09:34:38 pm
Pretty much any Nintendo franchise game, and the majority of the SNES library in general. It's the console with the sole most artificially inflated prices of all time. Everyone and their grandmother has a copy of Chrono Trigger, or Mega Man 7 sell you for $200. Much of SNES is like Sega Saturn prices for PS2 level quantities, or at least equivalents of that era. How that bubble doesn't pop, I don't know.

That's pretty simple: everybody who didn't keep their Nintendos back in the day, wants the Nintendo titles when they get bit by the nostalgia bug. They're a reliable seller, so the price doesn't go down. As for the SNES specifically, it's currently in the sweet spot of nostalgic love so it's getting a lot more attention right now. It's also quickly moving out of that spot as the people who grew up on SNES see their own kids getting too old to care about mom & dad's retro games anymore, and the people buying into their childhoods either complete that task to their satisfaction or quit caring.

Honestly I think we're overdue for a PlayStation bubble to hit, but Sony's dropped the ball HARD on capitalizing nostalgia & disc-based clone systems aren't yet a thing. The clone systems being the bigger deal- once anyone can go into a retro shop & get a working nouveau PlayStation with an HDMI hookup on the cheap, stuff's gonna change real quick!

I also don't think we'll ever see a proper bubble 'burst'- more of a deflation. There's a lot more dedicated retro collectors these days, all with different sized wallets. I suspect rather than a sudden drop as peole seek to offload inventory, we'll see a slow decline as people drop prices gradually, making a few sales with each drop as it hits prices collectors with varying budgets will pay.

I feel like the SNES has been all the rage in collecting ever since I've been into the hobby, so at least ever since the late 2000s. Still in that sweet spot? By now you'd think it would be N64, maybe GameCube. To some extent it is, I'm already seeing young collectors fondly heaping praise on their childhood systems like GameCube. Still, nowhere near as insane as SNES still is. SNES lovers are true die hards. I don't think people will ever pipe down about that system. Hate to say it, but SNES feel quite overrated these days.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: sworddude on September 21, 2019, 04:54:22 am
Pretty much any Nintendo franchise game, and the majority of the SNES library in general. It's the console with the sole most artificially inflated prices of all time. Everyone and their grandmother has a copy of Chrono Trigger, or Mega Man 7 sell you for $200. Much of SNES is like Sega Saturn prices for PS2 level quantities, or at least equivalents of that era. How that bubble doesn't pop, I don't know.

if crono trigger and megaman 7 where so "common" why don't you and a ton of older collectors did not find those for cheap back in the day also how the **** are prices that high if they where so common everyone would be happy and have these games in their pocket how are we in this situation right now ::) There are some who did but majority who did not and complain I find that kinda funny actually. I would love to have both sadly luck is not on my side. megaman 7 more rare in europe I hate it.

anyways let's take this example

panzer dragoon sold 5K copies and sells for 700ish according to price charting

earthbound sold 140ish k copies

however a lose cart sells for 170

and a cib sells for 700+

so the lose carts are already way lower in value. you could probably compare a lose cart of earthbound with some of the more sought after ps1 games as rarity say suikoden II wich hey  ::) also sold 150K copies and goes for around 150ish http://www.vgchartz.com/game/4405/suikoden-ii/

suikoden II sold more copies than earthbound and also goes for 150ish $

and than we have nintendo cardboard cib. we all know what the rates are for cart vs cib. like 10 vs 1 20 vs 1 30 vs 1. it's bad best probs 10% of all copies are cib than you can take 50% of that for nice collectible examples

wich leaves you with roughly 7K collectible cib copies in other words bigger market interested in nintendo with only slightly more copies than panzer dragoon saga price difference not that bad anymore than. could be less cib copies btw

and you could argue that many panzer dragoon saga copies are lost. but I disagree since you had to pre order them back in the day so only hardcore people pre ordered them who usually take care of their stuff unlike with earthbound wich was most likely bought by a mom and dad for their kid in a bargain bin.

also it seems to me that 30K copies of panzer dragoon saga where released in the US not just 5K. so if were looking at cib copies for earthbound it might be more rare than panzer dragoon saga. and the lose carts where already way lower in value and could be compared to the sought after ps1 games wich roughly have the same quantities and price such as suikoden II

https://www.megavisionsmag.com/retrospective-panzer-dragoon-saga/


suikoden Ii already had such prices for years. and ps1 isnt that hyped even suikoden II for sure not as with snes. are the rare games on snes that overpriced if we would consider this?

lose carts are already in the same price range as some of the more sought after disc based games in those quantities and only the cib stuff goes for insane amounts but fair enough have way lower quantities compared with more rare stuff since there are so many more cart only copies everyone threw those boxes away.

Obviously there are more rare shitty games but that's not what where talking about. compared to other older systems doesnt seem that overpriced to me considering my arguments. obviously emulation and remasters for slightly more than a tenner are the issue for newcomers but those people are usually not the buyers for these kinds of things. but heck isnt that the case with all older collectibles?

i mean like it's not like your forced to buy original silver age comics when the exact same thing is reprinted for 5$ or less. those are way more insane than videogames. consideringen these go for thousands or hundreds of thousands. same goes for videogames you can just get a remaster or a download only or better emulation for free.

They were readily available back in the day, and they still are. Lots of people have Mega Man 7 and Chrono Trigger. I personally don't want those titles because I have no passion for either series to be honest. In fact, I already own Chorno Trigger for DS though I've never felt compelled to play it. I also picked up the Mega Man on PS4 in case I felt the need to ever play those again. But everywhere I go, I see these carts for sale. The prices are that high because of the fandom and hype surrounding those series, a lot of people think those are some of the best games ever made, though I would highly disagree with that notion. Look at all the first 7 Mega Man games. All quite expensive, none of them truly rare, all of them basically the same thing. Chrono only entered the triple digit numbers over the past few years after being relatively affordable for many.

PDS, along with the other 1998 releases on Saturn are the exceptions, not the rule for Saturn rarity. I'm drawing a parallel more on the general prices for "common" Saturn games, which still command pretty hefty prices (as they should, they technically all bombed in sales), to SNES games which are on average much more plentiful than any Saturn game, commanding similar prices. For example, Nights Into Dreams -  fairly common by Saturn standards and roughly a $40 game. Contra III, quite common SNES game, roughly a $35 - $40 game. Both fairly popular titles on each platform. I'd wager way more copies of Contra III were printed compared to Nights, and yet prices are very similar. Hence how I conclude SNES is Saturn prices for PS2 level quantities. It's the most inflated prices of any mainstream successful console.

chrono trigger sold about double the amount that earthbound did it's not in the millions.

i mean at least compared to other systems that are less hyped say ps1. suikoden II sells for more than a lose copy of chrono trigger wich is around 100$

only cib sells for insane amounts but there are most likely far less cib especially collectible cib copies of chrono trigger than cib suikoden

in terms of prices it's not that much higher compared to other very sought after items. ps1 isnt hyped compared to snes and yet it's not to much of a difference.

chrono trigger sells for allot less than earthbound thanks to the amount it is reflected on it's price but considering that probs around 10% only survived as cib copies it is the reason why those prices are way higher than a cib suikoden II

contra III sure  on that one I agree ps2 quantities if done vs saturn but for the more rare expensive stuff it's kinda comparable to other systems.

is it overpriced most likely but you could say that for the entirety of the sought after retro games.

examples such as contra III are the exceptions of having decent value while being common and yes snes has some of the finest examples in that regard i dont disagree on you with that.

Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: hoshichiri on September 25, 2019, 12:15:34 pm
I feel like the SNES has been all the rage in collecting ever since I've been into the hobby, so at least ever since the late 2000s. Still in that sweet spot? By now you'd think it would be N64, maybe GameCube. To some extent it is, I'm already seeing young collectors fondly heaping praise on their childhood systems like GameCube. Still, nowhere near as insane as SNES still is. SNES lovers are true die hards. I don't think people will ever pipe down about that system. Hate to say it, but SNES feel quite overrated these days.

I agree with you, really- but there's one thing that's kept the SNES artificially popular that the system that should have supplanted it don't have- clone systems.

At this point, TVs have moved beyond any system older than the seventh generation of consoles- they don't display the older, standard definition signals well (assuming they even have the connection ports for them.) Clone systems provide accessibility for people not willing to fiddle around with ageing hardware and signal converters.

My understanding is there's patents still on the books preventing disc-based clones from coming out- but I imagine once those are gone (and I believe it's coming soon), and the new PlayStation/Gamecube/Xbox players hit the market, they'll be a shift.

Even if that takes longer than I expect, eventually age will catch up with SNES- the people who grew up with it will see their kids finish growing up & raising their own family. Much as today's kids wouldn't much care for Grandpa's Atari, so too will the grandkids of the future push back at the 16 bit era as too old, preferring a different flavor of retro than we have now.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: marvelvscapcom2 on September 25, 2019, 04:55:37 pm
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Smash Bros Melee.  It's been the bane to my existance for so long because it infuriates how it's such a 5 dollar game.  It's literally the best selling Gamecube game of all time.  Everyone has it.  I can't walk out my door in the morning without tripping on one.  I'm pretty sure for a few autumns they grew on trees and fell on my porch.   Throughout the entire late 2000s.  3 years after it came out or so.   You couldn't give it away.  I remember being in my local game crazy and looking at clearance bins filled with it.  5 dollars each if I remember correctly.  Might have been 10.   And now here we are.  It's 55 for a players choice.  And like 70 for a black label in mint condition.   Simply popostrous.  I get demand is high.  But I don't think it warrants such a hike.  Resellers really do collapse our hobby :(


Mario Kart Double Dash too.  Their is no need for these games to be hovering near 50 dollars.  I see them at so many savers.  But sadly my local savers is the biggest scalper of all and they charge full ebay price.


As a whole I think Gamecube has been hit the hardest by the inflated price bug.  It's just not that old to be so scarce,  everyone saved cases back then,  and really they are abundant at every flea market but always pricey.  Even complete shovelware for the system are 5-7 bucks each.    Hard to full set it.  My brother almost has a full set :)


Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: Cartagia on September 25, 2019, 05:23:20 pm
GameCube titles are odd like that, but it is important to remember that even though these games are the best selling on their consoles that GC was still easily the lowest selling console of the generation, so compared to their PS2 and XB contemporaries these games are harder to find.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: oldgamerz on September 25, 2019, 05:38:36 pm
I was going to post the following somewhere else but didn't know exactly where

The Gamecube in my memory was once the cheapest console to buy used at GameStop. I remember it used to cost $60 USD while the PlayStation 2 and Xbox origional was still more than $100 USD around Christmas time the year in one of the following years 2003 2004-2005.

Also it was not really highly praised at that time, games were cheap for it

Also during this time a used Nintendo 64 at my local gamestop was $20 USD with all hookups. and the games were all less than $20 USD a piece including games like StarCraft 64. all extra controllers were only $10 USD a piece at GameStop also.

Gamestop was a great store to go to during this era.

Now before anyone gets mad most of my games growing up were purchased and given to me brand new but as I got older funds were not there so I went to used video game stores.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: 98dgreen on September 25, 2019, 06:09:57 pm
GameCube titles are odd like that, but it is important to remember that even though these games are the best selling on their consoles that GC was still easily the lowest selling console of the generation, so compared to their PS2 and XB contemporaries these games are harder to find.
Actually, I believe that Xbox and Gamecube sold about the same.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: sworddude on September 27, 2019, 06:42:48 pm
GameCube titles are odd like that, but it is important to remember that even though these games are the best selling on their consoles that GC was still easily the lowest selling console of the generation, so compared to their PS2 and XB contemporaries these games are harder to find.
Actually, I believe that Xbox and Gamecube sold about the same.

gamecube sold about 30% less than xbox in the states and europe. in japan on the otherhand xbox is uber rare compared to gamecube.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: pzeke on October 31, 2019, 03:56:20 pm
Most Pokémons stuff still retains its value. Some Kirby and Metroid games, too.

I tend to use the Ebay test for true rarity- basically, look up a game and see how many listings there are. If you can find a dozen copies for sale at any given time, it's not really that rare. There's several dozen Earthbounds up once you scroll past the obvious fakes. Then on the flipside, you have something like Video Whizball, an old Channel F game that most people won't have heard of. That one's rare enough that most days, there are zero copies available on Ebay. Most games like that, that are truly rare, have no set value becuase there's no past data to really pull from. In the case of Whizball, in the year I watched Ebay, lamenting listings I missed by minutes, I saw it go as low at $5 and as high as $200. I ultimately paid $40 on a different forum.

I often do that, too. Some good examples of this include Forever Kingdom, MS Saga: A New Dawn, Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs. Zeta Gundam, Graffiti Kingdom, Steambot Chronicles, and OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast for PS2, and The Kore Gang for Wii. On the import side both 10,000 Bullets and The Sword of Etheria for PS2, as well as Dynasty Warriors Gundam: Reborn for PS3 come to mind. There was a time where I would search for Sub Rebellion and would often only get around 6-8 results, most being for disc only. I also used to have difficulties finding AirForce Strike Delta for the PS2; I would usually get listings for disc only or for complete copies in god-awful conditions. Just recently did I finally managed to find a copy I'm quite content with.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: ferraroso on November 04, 2019, 09:45:04 am
At least here in Japan, it is pretty easy to find any game in the King of Fighters franchise released from 1994 to 1998 to the Neo Geo AES, and yet, they rarely can be found for less than the equivalent to US$100.00 or so...

Akumajo Dracula: Chi no Rondo for the PC-Engine CD is another one that is farely easy to find, but never for less than ¥17,000 (around US$155.00)...
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: Warmsignal on November 05, 2019, 09:36:36 pm
GameCube titles are odd like that, but it is important to remember that even though these games are the best selling on their consoles that GC was still easily the lowest selling console of the generation, so compared to their PS2 and XB contemporaries these games are harder to find.
Actually, I believe that Xbox and Gamecube sold about the same.

gamecube sold about 30% less than xbox in the states and europe. in japan on the otherhand xbox is uber rare compared to gamecube.

In North America, it honestly feels like GameCube was a bit more obscure than that. Walk into any given game store and the GC selection is 1/3 the original Xbox selection, which itself is about 1/3 the PS2 selection. By that token, often a selection of GC titles are about 70% multiplat shovelware, whereas the availability of more premium titles on Xbox and PS2 is typically a lot higher. GameCube feels almost as obscure as Dreamcast. Maybe not that drastically hard to come by, but damn near it for a system that seemed to do okay back when. This is not a recent trend either, I never had much luck finding GC games, even back when I first started to collect.

Ironically, I found a stack of some pretty decent ones sitting out by the curb, waiting to be picked up by the garbage disposal this year, including Melee.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: ferraroso on November 06, 2019, 04:54:48 am
gamecube sold about 30% less than xbox in the states and europe. in japan on the otherhand xbox is uber rare compared to gamecube.

Indeed, original Xbox (actually, Xbox One as well) games are, if not rare, at least unusual around here in Japan.
However, since Game Cube games came in a small plastic box covered by a carton sleeve, good games (such as the Zeldas, Marios etc) in good condition (or complete in box) tend to be much more expensive than the vast majority of Xbox games, even in Japan.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: oldgamerz on December 15, 2019, 07:19:22 am
Can "Conkers Bad Fur Day" be considered a common yet expensive retro game? according the database 923 members
currently have this game and 300 people have this game on their wishlist's if the Nintendo 64 version is rare than I guess most people would be SOL in ever obtaining this game. I did hear of a watered down port of this game on xbox with some of it's adult themes removed.

Is Conkers Bad Fur Day really rare I ask? or just not enough in demand

https://vgcollect.com/item/4968

923
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: sworddude on December 15, 2019, 10:51:49 am
Can "Conkers Bad Fur Day" be considered a common yet expensive retro game? according the database 923 members
currently have this game and 300 people have this game on their wishlist's if the Nintendo 64 version is rare than I guess most people would be SOL in ever obtaining this game. I did hear of a watered down port of this game on xbox with some of it's adult themes removed.

Is Conkers Bad Fur Day really rare I ask? or just not enough in demand

https://vgcollect.com/item/4968

923

nothing with such prices can be considered common. and if it really was deals with these games in it would be quite easy to find. you should not need to buy it for those prices than. if anything can be considered common it means that you can find it for cheap rather easily because there is so much of it.

FF VII is a nice example of something being common while having some value. but as hyped as a game is. there is always a cap in price when it is to common. it won't reach certain price lvl's when it is easy to find if an item is common.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: Cartagia on December 15, 2019, 11:02:48 am
Price aside, yes Conker’s Bad Fur day is at minimum an Uncommon game.  It sold poorly on initial release, and it released in the back end of the console lifecycle.  These are the perfect two criteria to make a game hard to find.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: Warmsignal on December 15, 2019, 10:20:47 pm
I see sooooo many copies of Conker. I think the demand for it is actually lower than it's supply, however low that might be, which being published by RARE as a "second party" developer for Nintendo I can't imagine was terribly low.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: undertakerprime on December 16, 2019, 11:20:24 am
I worked in the video game section of Toys R Us back between 2003-04, and we had literal stacks of Bad Fur Day that we couldn’t sell. There were so many of them. Even back then, I was thinking that maybe I should pick up one or two to keep in the box...in hindsight, I guess I should have.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: blurks on December 18, 2019, 02:51:54 am
I worked in the video game section of Toys R Us back between 2003-04, and we had literal stacks of Bad Fur Day that we couldn’t sell. There were so many of them. Even back then, I was thinking that maybe I should pick up one or two to keep in the box...in hindsight, I guess I should have.

I remember old second hand video game stores in the 90s which had tons of nowadays rarities which I just passed on. It's a waste of time to mourn over those missed opportunities. Keep in mind that you have to take care 20-25 years of those items just to make a few hundret bucks profit. That's not even close to a month salary for most of us.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: sworddude on December 19, 2019, 06:39:20 pm
I worked in the video game section of Toys R Us back between 2003-04, and we had literal stacks of Bad Fur Day that we couldn’t sell. There were so many of them. Even back then, I was thinking that maybe I should pick up one or two to keep in the box...in hindsight, I guess I should have.

I remember old second hand video game stores in the 90s which had tons of nowadays rarities which I just passed on. It's a waste of time to mourn over those missed opportunities. Keep in mind that you have to take care 20-25 years of those items just to make a few hundret bucks profit. That's not even close to a month salary for most of us.

i agree with that unless you where working in a store with 50 brand new cib copies of earthbound in the bargain bin. some stores had that. or where the kinda guy that called all winners for the grey and gold carts and bought them all up for 30 to 1100$
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: blurks on December 20, 2019, 03:29:44 am
i agree with that unless you where working in a store with 50 brand new cib copies of earthbound in the bargain bin. some stores had that. or where the kinda guy that called all winners for the grey and gold carts and bought them all up for 30 to 1100$

Well that's a different story. But still, you would need to reserve space for lots of games for over 20 years without even knowing if their market value will ever justify the effort.
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: necrosexual on January 05, 2020, 04:56:44 pm
^and considering this is an industry that had a fad crash a decade or so earlier in the states... and nintendo was never as popular in europe as overseas... the question of "is it worth playing janitor for 20yrs for a maybe increased market value?" becomes less obviously "yes" and more obviously "do i look like a beanie baby scrub?"
Title: Re: Name Some Currently Expensive Yet Common Retro Video Games
Post by: pzeke on January 05, 2020, 07:34:47 pm
[...] It's a waste of time to mourn over those missed opportunities. Keep in mind that you have to take care 20-25 years of those items just to make a few hundret bucks profit. That's not even close to a month salary for most of us.

Yeah, I held a few games that nowadays go for a lot that I genuinely would love to own, and I learned it does you no good grieving over those loses. As someone who held Ninja Five-O and chose Double Dragon Advance over it, I can honestly say, while I will internally say to myself, "Damn.", I no longer put much thought into it. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say, and you can't turn back time (yet), so you gots to move on.