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General and Gaming => Off Topic => Topic started by: seether on March 17, 2020, 02:55:15 pm
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My sister’s university is no longer holding face to face classes
My father’s employer has shut down completely
I was in Costco today for food at the restaurant and had to push a trolley around to maintain distance (enforced policy) and the seating area was stripped out only allowing takeaway orders
Today everything is ruined
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I, for one, welcome our new coronavirus overlords.
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So your idea of societal fabric is.... Costco lines and cheap hotdogs?
Canceling classes, and work, is a ultimately for the good. Hoarding toilet paper however, is not cool. The fabric of our society has had some ragged spots for some time now, I don't think the virus is to blame for that.
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Asking everyone to stay inside as much as possible for a few weeks and only leave for essential needs does not equate to a complete breakdown of society.
We need people to self isolate in order to slow the spread of the virus long enough that not only are hospitals not being overwhelmed, but also long enough for effective treatments to be found. Running to Costco to cram yourself in amongst all the people panic buying and hoarding does the exact opposite. Going to the store while the parking lot is full is being part of the problem, not the solution.
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I’m sorry but when I can’t sit down to my Costco pizza/hot dog/cottage pie/ice cream/baked potato it signifies the end of days.
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Government policies and reactions are the direct cause of the current situation.
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tripredacus is 100% correct. Here in the USA farmers are having to destroy all their crops, and dump all their milk and throw everything out because nobody is buying it. And supermarkets do not buy local produce, only overseas produce, which is having to do the same thing, so the markets are running out of produce and milk.
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Here in the USA farmers are having to destroy all their crops, and dump all their milk and throw everything out because nobody is buying it.
Maybe farmers are having to destroy their crops and milk because, now, most people are living on takeaway hot dogs from Costco...
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The milk story is overblown. From what I understand is that farms that are set up to serve two separate channels independently are having to dump product normally destined for b2b market due to the demand being dropped. This story is more about supply chain and how each company has set up their production system. Those who do not operate in this way would not have this problem, and the problem for those that are will go away once they reconfigure or shift production to retail channels.
You can read about this specifically here:
https://twitter.com/FreshAirFarmer/status/1247876205564526593
The news will often sensationalize things and not dig into the details as to why something is. Especially when it comes to business or technology topics.
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I am pretty sure dairy farms normally dump milk anyway to keep prices high.
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I am pretty sure dairy farms normally dump milk anyway to keep prices high.
Not in Canada!
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I am pretty sure dairy farms normally dump milk anyway to keep prices high.
Not in Canada!
They do in the US because the profits margins in the dairy industry are low. I figured it was low worldwide too.
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I am pretty sure dairy farms normally dump milk anyway to keep prices high.
Not in Canada!
They do in the US because the profits margins in the dairy industry are low. I figured it was low worldwide too.
in a ton of countries in europe they are forced to dump milk since if you produce to much you'll get a huge fine by the goverment and that's in normal times. there is a certain limit how much milk they can sell. everything above that limit has to go.
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Seether is waifu. He has passed Tifa from Final Fantasy on my all-time sexiest, babe list. Please notice me Seether. I regret texting Hayley Painter. It was ONE time. Their is nothing there. I can give you a life Johnny cant. Smell the fresh deep fried cinnamon churros as the intoxicating Aroma fills the air at the ferris wheel on the Santa Monica pier in beautiful sun soaked, Los Angeles, California.
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Seether is waifu. He has passed Tifa from Final Fantasy on my all-time sexiest, babe list. Please notice me Seether. I regret texting Hayley Painter. It was ONE time. Their is nothing there. I can give you a life Johnny cant. Smell the fresh deep fried cinnamon churros as the intoxicating Aroma fills the air at the ferris wheel on the Santa Monica pier in beautiful sun soaked, Los Angeles, California.
OK.
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Seether is waifu. He has passed Tifa from Final Fantasy on my all-time sexiest, babe list. Please notice me Seether. I regret texting Hayley Painter. It was ONE time. Their is nothing there. I can give you a life Johnny cant. Smell the fresh deep fried cinnamon churros as the intoxicating Aroma fills the air at the ferris wheel on the Santa Monica pier in beautiful sun soaked, Los Angeles, California.
Seether will notice nothing of you. He'll never look at you the way that he looks at a stock. You can't return his investment, you can't buy his financial freedom, you can't even help him retire... and you think you have chance? Don't make me laugh. You're wasting his time, do you know how volatile the market is right now?
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This particular situation we're all currently in has shown, more than ever, how fragile and puerile society is. Thank goodness the zombie apocalypse is a thing of fiction because the world would've gone to hell by now.
Just an observation, basically an anecdotal comment, so don't take it too seriously...or personally for that matter.
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Shit people trying to robbing me with smartphones, screwing up my social media broadcasts, doctors doing nothing except taking money and pretending to work. Satan worshipers are welcome on Facebook but Christians are starting to get shut off. I thouhgt I was safe from these things in my hometown but now. For some reason there is a lot of new people in my city, and they are shooting police officers and robbing neighbors. police and store security guards are overwhelmed. I am waiting for something else tragic to happen.
I think I'm safe indoors but as soon as I go out of my house, people are all smiling and aiming their smartphones as random people just taking their money without even bank statements knowing what is missing
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Shit people trying to robbing me with smartphones, screwing up my social media broadcasts, doctors doing nothing except taking money and pretending to work. Satan worshipers are welcome on Facebook but Christians are starting to get shut off. I thouhgt I was safe from these things in my hometown but now. For some reason there is a lot of new people in my city, and they are shooting police officers and robbing neighbors. police and store security guards are overwhelmed. I am waiting for something else tragic to happen.
I think I'm safe indoors but as soon as I go out of my house, people are all smiling and aiming their smartphones as random people just taking their money without even bank statements knowing what is missing
Did you forget about the through-the-wall hackers already?
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Shit people trying to robbing me with smartphones, screwing up my social media broadcasts, doctors doing nothing except taking money and pretending to work. Satan worshipers are welcome on Facebook but Christians are starting to get shut off. I thouhgt I was safe from these things in my hometown but now. For some reason there is a lot of new people in my city, and they are shooting police officers and robbing neighbors. police and store security guards are overwhelmed. I am waiting for something else tragic to happen.
I think I'm safe indoors but as soon as I go out of my house, people are all smiling and aiming their smartphones as random people just taking their money without even bank statements knowing what is missing
Did you forget about the through-the-wall hackers already?
all of this is true regarding the last 3 months in my hometown, nope the hackers for some reason are walking around instead of siting on WIFI, are all rouge with their separate gigs, but by going into any store or walking down my busy main street, yea criminals they are in pursuit. but I will admit I've been paranoid for the last few weeks. I mean just in January (not on new years day) I called the police because there was a local gun shot and 6 police cruisers came to my home and than I told them were to go, next thing I heard what I heard sound like a major shootout on my block.
It's easier to scan a persons pocket or just plain do the old fashion way and grab wallet and run, I't much easier for cyber criminals to download a Smart Phone App and aim some kind of scanner at people, plus it might seem as fun and easy as the game Pokémon Go, to just aim at random people and cash in.
The main reason why some newer credit or debit card have a chip on this to try to prevent this but it's does not always work, or maybe I'm just being too paranoid, but when people are desperate they do things like this more often
I am even paranoid around little kids and their parents some parent teach their kids to steal money from people. out from their pocket or steal things like credit cards, I am extra carfull when I go any ware now it's too damn hot right now in the suburbs and cities in the US.
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I assure you, there is no app you can just download to scan people's credit cards by aiming it at them like you're in the movie Terminator. That would be a ludicrous security breach on the part of either Google or Apple and front page news. Any apps which promote any kind illegal activity (of the possible kind) are usually reported and taken down. Not just everyone knows how to load illegal software onto their smartphone from either. The people who do, are far and few between. To my knowledge, there's no such software which could pull your credit card info out of thin air with no WIFI activity breach or anything.
I recently decided to start using Apple pay myself, whenever I'm out. I'm not worried about it.
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Covid robs me for about 4-500 euros of income each month, while that sucks i rather see the positive in it as i've got more free time on my hands and let it it be that hiking is (apart from gaming/collecting) my main hobby so i can finally put more time into that.
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I assure you, there is no app you can just download to scan people's credit cards by aiming it at them like you're in the movie Terminator. That would be a ludicrous security breach on the part of either Google or Apple and front page news. Any apps which promote any kind illegal activity (of the possible kind) are usually reported and taken down. Not just everyone knows how to load illegal software onto their smartphone from either. The people who do, are far and few between. To my knowledge, there's no such software which could pull your credit card info out of thin air with no WIFI activity breach or anything.
I recently decided to start using Apple pay myself, whenever I'm out. I'm not worried about it.
Those smart phone or cell phone apps. I talked about are not really that new, they were once experimental back in lets say 2013. One day I was in a remote section of mostly ruel city's edge, and I happened to notices a man aiming a mobile device at me at some party store, as soon as he aimed it at my pocket the device made a beep sound. I got paranoid and when I got home I called my bank and told them. They believed every single word I told them, and they quickly told me that I should get a new card. my next card had a gold chip on it, my old card didn't have a chip on it.
some of the things I know can get me killed or seriously hurt but after taking socialistic shit from a lot of people in my life I live for the law and peace of mind. My life was never easy.
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I am pretty sure dairy farms normally dump milk anyway to keep prices high.
Not in Canada!
Sorry for bumping an old thread but do you americans have canadian milk on your shelves? Here in Québec we only have milk from Québec, not even from the rest of canada. Except in 2018 Walmart started importing Fairlife american milk in canada (as well as Québec) and there were huge boycotts over here, it was a big deal. Nowadays Walmart still stocks Fairlife milk but in small quantities and literally not a single soul buys them to this day (I work at Walmart, I can confirm). What were they thinking? We literally have the best milk in the world, they really expected canadians to buy shitty american milk? It is so insulting to us, you have no idea. It's like if I go to France and start shoving cheap american wine in their face and do ad campaigns that try to replace their high quality French wine with shitty american ones.
Also, someone mentioned that there were milk shortages in the US during the pandemic. I am very surprised, because we never had any sort of milk shortage here, at least in Québec. That's what happens when you import everything.
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At least in my area there was no shortage, but the price of milk was raised temporarily. Agriculture has been impacted heavily by the pandemic, so farmers, for instance, were forced to dump milk, especially during the initial stages, more so due to schools shutting down. For the most part things seem to be back to normal.
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Also, someone mentioned that there were milk shortages in the US during the pandemic. I am very surprised, because we never had any sort of milk shortage here, at least in Québec.
In the early months of the pandemic, where I worked and other stores in the area had problems keeping milk on the shelves, but it was never a supply shortage, it was an intelligence shortage. The same morons trying to buy 20 packs of toilet paper were also trying to buy 20 gallons of milk, forcing stores to put limits just so other people could have a fair chance. I got screamed at quite a few times because people somehow couldn't make 2 gallons last more than 2 days at their house.
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I am pretty sure dairy farms normally dump milk anyway to keep prices high.
Not in Canada!
Sorry for bumping an old thread but do you americans have canadian milk on your shelves? Here in Québec we only have milk from Québec, not even from the rest of canada. Except in 2018 Walmart started importing Fairlife american milk in canada (as well as Québec) and there were huge boycotts over here, it was a big deal. Nowadays Walmart still stocks Fairlife milk but in small quantities and literally not a single soul buys them to this day (I work at Walmart, I can confirm). What were they thinking? We literally have the best milk in the world, they really expected canadians to buy shitty american milk? It is so insulting to us, you have no idea. It's like if I go to France and start shoving cheap american wine in their face and do ad campaigns that try to replace their high quality French wine with shitty american ones.
Also, someone mentioned that there were milk shortages in the US during the pandemic. I am very surprised, because we never had any sort of milk shortage here, at least in Québec. That's what happens when you import everything.
I listen to radio stations in Ontario and recently they've been talking about how Quebec is making moves (again) at independence from Canada.
Also there was never any milk shortage in the US. Last year there was a big news story about how a dairy had to dump a bunch of milk, but it was misrepresented as being something that caused a shortage. But people in the dairy industry were mad at the story because they said that the thing the news reported on was a standard practice and wasn't what they said.
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I listen to radio stations in Ontario and recently they've been talking about how Quebec is making moves (again) at independence from Canada.
Also there was never any milk shortage in the US. Last year there was a big news story about how a dairy had to dump a bunch of milk, but it was misrepresented as being something that caused a shortage. But people in the dairy industry were mad at the story because they said that the thing the news reported on was a standard practice and wasn't what they said.
No offense to my fellow Québécois, but just like Texas will never secede from the US, Québec's sovereignty will never come to pass and will remain part of Canada for centuries to come. Not sure why you even brought that up in the first place, but hey, I'm already here, so might as well add fuel to the flame.
Anyway, I don't know who exactly said that dumping milk is "standard practice", but that's quite the misconception. The dumping of milk has indeed happened before, but it has happened on a case-by-case basis (i.e. bad weather, a sudden glut, or when supply goes bad). Farmers were forced to dump milk on a level that was previously unheard of, for the first time in decades for many. The fact the pandemic struck during flush season and schools and restaurants closed their doors didn't help the situation much. The dairy industry was already in a frangible state, too, so the pandemic was a crushing blow. As far as I read, the dairy industry was also impacted in Canada since farmers also had to dump milk.
Going back to what leonefamily said, American milk isn't exactly an exemplary product, especially when we take into consideration all the processing stages behind its production, it's pretty much a watered down supplement. Then again, milk isn't exactly the elixir it has been made out to be, anyway, so...
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I listen to radio stations in Ontario and recently they've been talking about how Quebec is making moves (again) at independence from Canada.
Also there was never any milk shortage in the US. Last year there was a big news story about how a dairy had to dump a bunch of milk, but it was misrepresented as being something that caused a shortage. But people in the dairy industry were mad at the story because they said that the thing the news reported on was a standard practice and wasn't what they said.
No offense to my fellow Québécois, but just like Texas will never secede from the US, Québec's sovereignty will never come to pass and will remain part of Canada for centuries to come. Not sure why you even brought that up in the first place, but hey, I'm already here, so might as well add fuel to the flame.
Anyway, I don't know who exactly said that dumping milk is "standard practice", but that's quite the misconception. The dumping of milk has indeed happened before, but it has happened on a case-by-case basis (i.e. bad weather, a sudden glut, or when supply goes bad). Farmers were forced to dump milk on a level that was previously unheard of, for the first time in decades for many. The fact the pandemic struck during flush season and schools and restaurants closed their doors didn't help the situation much. The dairy industry was already in a frangible state, too, so the pandemic was a crushing blow. As far as I read, the dairy industry was also impacted in Canada since farmers also had to dump milk.
Going back to what leonefamily said, American milk isn't exactly an exemplary product, especially when we take into consideration all the processing stages behind its production, it's pretty much a watered down supplement. Then again, milk isn't exactly the elixir it has been made out to be, anyway, so...
In europe dumping milk in multiple countries is a standard practice. Each farmer has a limit how much milk they can sell per year. if they get over that they They'll flush the the excess down the drain since they would otherwise get fines. There is not enough demand for the excess milk and it would turn bad otherwise.
You can't stop cows from producing milk so overflow usually happens. Could be different in the US but over here dumping milk always happens.
Obviously the amount of milk dumped varies from year per year. It's all about supply and demand market price etc.
I'm sure during a pandemic with less demand more milk is being dumped aka less milk being sold than usual but it's a pretty standard practice during normal times aswell.
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I listen to radio stations in Ontario and recently they've been talking about how Quebec is making moves (again) at independence from Canada.
No offense to my fellow Québécois, but just like Texas will never secede from the US, Québec's sovereignty will never come to pass and will remain part of Canada for centuries to come. Not sure why you even brought that up in the first place, but hey, I'm already here, so might as well add fuel to the flame.
Whether it has full support or not, there are mechanations to achieve it and may end up manifesting in various markets in ways you wouldn't think. One such would be to limit supply to inter-provincial companies. One step towards independence would be to become self-sufficient in some ways and this would include planning on limiting "imports" from other provinces where possible. Perhaps you already do this and I know that Quebec has been wanting to be on their own for decades.
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In europe dumping milk in multiple countries is a standard practice. Each farmer has a limit how much milk they can sell per year. if they get over that they They'll flush the the excess down the drain since they would otherwise get fines. There is not enough demand for the excess milk and it would turn bad otherwise.
You can't stop cows from producing milk so overflow usually happens. Could be different in the US but over here dumping milk always happens.
Obviously the amount of milk dumped varies from year per year. It's all about supply and demand market price etc.
I'm sure during a pandemic with less demand more milk is being dumped aka less milk being sold than usual but it's a pretty standard practice during normal times aswell.
Sure, overflow happens, and it's actually one of the examples I gave. Standard practice implies that they're just wasting the product willy-nilly, just cause, especially in the context of the situation. Every article I've read and interview I've watched with people from the dairy industry, and farmers in general, have all expounded on the circumstances that the pandemic have brought them, and that, as I said in my previous post, while dumping milk does happen, it has never been this prodigally, especially considering the pandemic struck during flush season. "Standard practice" is a misnomer and a misconception.
Circling back to what I said, the dairy industry hasn't been in the best place for a while, at least in the US, so the timing and consequences that the pandemic wrought have essentially been like rubbing salt into their already festering wound. It's not just the milk industry, though, agriculture as a whole has also been impacted by the pandemic.
Whether it has full support or not, there are mechanations to achieve it and may end up manifesting in various markets in ways you wouldn't think. One such would be to limit supply to inter-provincial companies. One step towards independence would be to become self-sufficient in some ways and this would include planning on limiting "imports" from other provinces where possible. Perhaps you already do this and I know that Quebec has been wanting to be on their own for decades.
We can dissect all the technicalities and minutia like that, but I won't budge from what I said. Comparatively, Québec's independence referendum is pretty much like Puerto Rico's status referendum, which happen to be an utter waste of time (and money). Just like Puerto Ricans wanting independence or statehood won't see either happen in their lifetime, the same can be said about Québécois' rally for sovereignty. Red tape, that's the name of the game.
It's also worth mentioning that Québec's desire for independence has been on a decline for a while now (as far as I've read). But again, whether a subset wants it or not sadly has little importance because it won't happen, at least not in our lifetime.
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We can dissect all the technicalities and minutia like that, but I won't budge from what I said. Comparatively, Québec's independence referendum is pretty much like Puerto Rico's status referendum, which happen to be an utter waste of time (and money). Just like Puerto Ricans wanting independence or statehood won't see either happen in their lifetime, the same can be said about Québécois' rally for sovereignty. Red tape, that's the name of the game.
It's also worth mentioning that Québec's desire for independence has been on a decline for a while now (as far as I've read). But again, whether a subset wants it or not sadly has little importance because it won't happen, at least not in our lifetime.
Are you saying that Parti Quebecois is slacking in its fight against the imperialist British-born colonial dogs?! Surely not! :P
(I honestly don't have a dog in that fight whatsoever, I just remember the last time the independence thing came up, PQ were the ones making the most noise and got a lot of coverage)
Puerto Rico is always going to be a quagmire. It SHOULD be a state but there's too many who like the current setup of being "apart but also a part", especially (corrupt) politicians on the island. I mean, they got shafted pretty hard during that hurricane and got little to no help from the dunce who was in office at the time but at least you ain't gotta pay no federal taxes amirite? :o
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Are you saying that Parti Quebecois is slacking in its fight against the imperialist British-born colonial dogs?! Surely not! :P
Definitely not; it's just an observation from someone watching from the outside. A rather one-sided observation, I know, but hey, just trying to be realistic.