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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: burningdoom on July 20, 2020, 01:49:27 pm
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According to this article, at least:
https://ghettogamer.net/2020/07/18/collecting-ps2-games/?fbclid=IwAR3PwLQBDAluMNc74PYChSaVgUqn1FM86ZxZvlF4wnheBu1_79rvWwHI4LU
Thoughts on this? You think PS2's time is here?
Honestly, except for a few exceptions that have always been pricey, I haven't noticed this uptick in price. But then, I'm also not really actively hunting for PS2 games. I have mostly what I want for PS2, with a few small exceptions.
What about you guys? Have you noticed this trend while out hunting? Is it time to thin out the PS2 collection and make a little dough?
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Like you I'm not really actively looking PS2 games, so I've not noticed any upticks, but the timeline does generally work out for an increase in price. I could see it getting even worse if the PS5 gets backwards compatibility and increases demand.
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I was looking through some of my PS2 games on pricecharting the other day and I was surprised to see how much Silent Hill games have gone up in price.
SH2 is around $80 for complete, and SH3 is pushing $120, SH4 is around $90
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PS2 has exploded in the last few months. All the heavy hitters have nearly doubled- Kuon and Rule of Rose are pushing $600 a piece, Haunting Ground is around $400 and a lot of the midrange titles- especially rpgs have jumped up substantially- 20-50% at least across the board. Just go to VGPC and look at the historical charts. Some of these prices will settle but the time for ps2 is now.
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This doesn't bother me, as I already own about 90%-95% of the games I want for the system. Other than imports, which I haven't bothered with in a while, the only "big contenders" in my wantlist are "Wild Arms: Alter Code F" and "Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs. Zeta Gundam", two games that go for quite a hefty trout.
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It's like that for all 6th gen consoles except xbox. Most titles in PS2, gamecube have increased somewhat with a few select titles absolutely doubling or tripling in price.
Path of radiance for gamecube has gone from like $125-$150 to $265 in less than half a year.
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And xenosaga III has gone from like $75-$80ish to $180 in the same period of time.
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Long are the times where I used to see xenosaga trilogy bundles on ebay for $125. Now xeno III alone exceeds that price.
Lots of other titles too but those two caught my eye like wow.
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I'd say the main reason is that it's now that generation's time where these would be the games that new adults with disposable income are buying. These games came out in the early 2000s. People who were kids then are now in their twenties and out of college and in the workforce. They've got money to spend, and with nostalgia being as it is, they want to recollect the games of their childhoods and possibly also the games they never got to play back then. And with so much shut down because of corona, it acts as a further incentive to get the games now because it's something to do inside.
I'd also say that a big reason why Xbox isn't jumping up as fast as PS2 and GCN is because Microsoft's made many of the classics accessible in one form or another for the later systems. And to the casual gamer, they'd rather just spend a few bucks for a digital copy than hunting down a physical copy and paying a lot more. The loss of Xbox Live for the original Xbox also hurts a bit as since online multiplayer was one of the system's best strengths, not having that denies a large chunk of nostalgia for some of the major games.
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I'd say the main reason is that it's now that generation's time where these would be the games that new adults with disposable income are buying. These games came out in the early 2000s. People who were kids then are now in their twenties and out of college and in the workforce. They've got money to spend, and with nostalgia being as it is, they want to recollect the games of their childhoods and possibly also the games they never got to play back then. And with so much shut down because of corona, it acts as a further incentive to get the games now because it's something to do inside.
I'd also say that a big reason why Xbox isn't jumping up as fast as PS2 and GCN is because Microsoft's made many of the classics accessible in one form or another for the later systems. And to the casual gamer, they'd rather just spend a few bucks for a digital copy than hunting down a physical copy and paying a lot more. The loss of Xbox Live for the original Xbox also hurts a bit as since online multiplayer was one of the system's best strengths, not having that denies a large chunk of nostalgia for some of the major games.
How about xbox classic not having that many interesting games in comparison
Yea sure there where some sega dreamcast games but otherwise poor pickings. it has a pretty small library. it has no mascots aside from halo. Multiplayer on xbox was pretty much only good for shooters and racing games, name me games that are simular to mario party smash bros or some karting game etc. it pales in terms of multiplayer unless you really like certain genre's in wich you could just go to ps2 instead if where talking consoles with lesser multiplayer options. you probably have a better shot at interesting non shooter racing games on ps2.
Zero rpg's (1 or2 mediocre ones) zero shoot em ups (maybe 1 or 2), just few horror games. let alone that most classics on xbox are fairly common. why would those increase in price if the supply is plentyfull and if most of those options where dollar options from the start.
Also a whole there is not much reason for tons of people withouth nostalgia to go after xbox aside from it being relatively cheap. in terms of gameplay the other 2 options are superior in almost every way. the extra power didnt help just like nowadays in wich xbox exclusives are a meme for how few there are. Sony and nintendo have exclusives, xbox has few of them even in the OG xbox era. Why would you pick up xbox for those few games of genre's that you like when you can pick any other console wich has tons of them and are considered to be some of the best. that's why xbox isn't popular.
Still I'm pretty suprised how few people use dolphin for gamecube or ps2 games.
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Xenosaga could be a combination of covid plus the release of the xenoblade DE on switch wich was released 1 or 2 months ago being part of the series.
And if where talking path of radiance, when the secret fighter Byleth in januray 2020 of fire emblem tree houses was released in smash bros. Quite allot of memes on the internet. Even though it was hated it got a hell lot of popularity, withouth that it would have increased less I'd say.
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I could have picked up any xbox or ps2 game I wanted 4-5 years ago for about 5-10 bucks. Now on eBay those same games have doubled in price.
Still not alot, but there has defintley been a small spike.
Gamecube games were always high because of people hoarding nintendo products.
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I could have picked up any xbox or ps2 game I wanted 4-5 years ago for about 5-10 bucks. Now on eBay those same games have doubled in price.
Still not alot, but there has defintley been a small spike.
Gamecube games were always high because of people hoarding nintendo products.
there was a way higher shot at doing so but i would not say any title with ease.
A ton of those ps2 titles were already pricy 4 or 5 years ago.
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Multiplayer on xbox was pretty much only good for shooters and racing games, name me games that are simular to mario party smash bros or some karting game etc. it pales in terms of multiplayer unless you really like certain genre's in wich you could just go to ps2 instead if where talking consoles with lesser multiplayer options. you probably have a better shot at interesting non shooter racing games on ps2.
I'm talking specifically about online multiplayer. If you wanted to play online that generation, Xbox was the console to get. The Playstation and Gamecube's online capabilities were horribly limited in comparison.
Also, while the system didn't have much for JRPGs (Which is because Japan hates the Xbox line, so most Japanese developers stayed away unless it was an easy port. Microsoft tried to fix that with the 360 getting exclusive games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, but the hate persisted), it still had quite a few solid western ones like KOTOR or Morrowind.
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Final Fantasy XI was also huge on PS2 back in the day
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Multiplayer on xbox was pretty much only good for shooters and racing games, name me games that are simular to mario party smash bros or some karting game etc. it pales in terms of multiplayer unless you really like certain genre's in wich you could just go to ps2 instead if where talking consoles with lesser multiplayer options. you probably have a better shot at interesting non shooter racing games on ps2.
I'm talking specifically about online multiplayer. If you wanted to play online that generation, Xbox was the console to get. The Playstation and Gamecube's online capabilities were horribly limited in comparison.
Also, while the system didn't have much for JRPGs (Which is because Japan hates the Xbox line, so most Japanese developers stayed away unless it was an easy port. Microsoft tried to fix that with the 360 getting exclusive games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, but the hate persisted), it still had quite a few solid western ones like KOTOR or Morrowind.
Sure, but most online games sold pretty well at the time, a ton of xbox titles are pretty common and worth dollar amounts, let alone that we live in an era with to many shooters and even better online than ever.
The things that mainly increase in price are rpg's survival horror, some of the best action platformers or mascot games. Xbox doesn't really have any of those or budget qaulity ones.
And while it does have some like call of cthulu, it's price is pretty much the same since people rather pick a ps2 or ps1 instead with a way better library in that department in wich tons of games are far better aswell. instead of getting an xbox for just 1 or 2 games.
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I understand there's more nostalgia behind PS2 since there were more PS2 users. But still, I find it odd that the original Xbox isn't going up any. With multiplatform titles, Xbox versions are usually the best versions to get. They usually perform the best and have the best graphics, so that's the version you usually want. Plus a number of titles are backwards compatible on both XBox 360 and XBox One.
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I understand there's more nostalgia behind PS2 since there were more PS2 users. But still, I find it odd that the original Xbox isn't going up any. With multiplatform titles, Xbox versions are usually the best versions to get. They usually perform the best and have the best graphics, so that's the version you usually want. Plus a number of titles are backwards compatible on both XBox 360 and XBox One.
yes they are the best version but why would someone pick up a Xbox console for just a few games of that genre
Forget nostalgia take survival horror and rpg's why would you get an xbox with few and just medium titles of that genre while ps2 has a ton. Like seriously in terms of actual rpg's you have stuff like black stone magic steel wich is pretty average. Compared to ps2 with it's godlike library for those and the cube having some of the best rpg's of that gen aswell.
Yea sure Xbox version of outrun 2006 is the best but who is going to bother to get a console for just a few games. if you got a cube and ps2, your absolutely not missing much when you skip Xbox
Xbox as always just lacks exclusives even OG xbox days, it was a fine console at the time, pretty impressive with them realistic games, but those games don't age well and are easily replaced by modern day equivalents. and with the genre's that do matter Xbox just dropped the ball compared to ps2 or the cube. There isnt much out there it's not nostalgia.
Again them dreamcast otogi titles are nice but both the cube and ps2 have way more hidden gems to make those pretty forgettable, I'm all for the nostalgia argument but Xbox just doesnt have much that is interesting to play atm in comparison.
Both the cube and ps2 have quality and quantity it's no wonder why many people ignore the OG xbox so much. ps2 and cube have so much more to offer while the xbox especially with a quick glance was just a console with tons of realistic games at the time that didnt age well.
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I understand there's more nostalgia behind PS2 since there were more PS2 users. But still, I find it odd that the original Xbox isn't going up any. With multiplatform titles, Xbox versions are usually the best versions to get. They usually perform the best and have the best graphics, so that's the version you usually want. Plus a number of titles are backwards compatible on both XBox 360 and XBox One.
yes they are the best version but why would someone pick up a Xbox console for just a few games of that genre
Forget nostalgia take survival horror and rpg's why would you get an xbox with few and just medium titles of that genre while ps2 has a ton. Like seriously in terms of actual rpg's you have stuff like black stone magic steel wich is pretty average. Compared to ps2 with it's godlike library for those and the cube having some of the best rpg's of that gen aswell.
Yea sure Xbox version of outrun 2006 is the best but who is going to bother to get a console for just a few games. if you got a cube and ps2, your absolutely not missing much when you skip Xbox
Xbox as always just lacks exclusives even OG xbox days, it was a fine console at the time, pretty impressive with them realistic games, but those games don't age well and are easily replaced by modern day equivalents. and with the genre's that do matter Xbox just dropped the ball compared to ps2 or the cube. There isnt much out there it's not nostalgia.
Again them dreamcast otogi titles are nice but both the cube and ps2 have way more hidden gems to make those pretty forgettable, I'm all for the nostalgia argument but Xbox just doesnt have much that is interesting to play atm in comparison.
Both the cube and ps2 have quality and quantity it's no wonder why many people ignore the OG xbox so much. ps2 and cube have so much more to offer while the xbox especially with a quick glance was just a console with tons of realistic games at the time that didnt age well.
Back then, sure. I can understand that argument for a full-priced, new console. But it's 2020. You can get an original Xbox for dirt cheap, so why not have the best versions? And like I said, backwards compatibility. Even if you don't have one, you can still play many of these games on your 360 or Xbox One in full 1080 HD now, which gives even more incentive to collect those games.
Even then, though. Xbox had it's share of great exclusives. Morrowind alone is on an entirely different level than any other game put out that generation. Then you have Halo 1 & 2, which is probably the hottest selling game of that generation. Fable introduced a lot of people to action-RPGs. Ninja Gaiden was a masterpiece of challenge that games like Dark Souls has drawn inspirations from. Plus a bunch of unsung greats like Arx Fatalis, Dungeons & Dragons Heroes, Jade Empire, Crimson Skies, Stubbs the Zombie, MechAssault 1 &2, and others.
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I understand there's more nostalgia behind PS2 since there were more PS2 users. But still, I find it odd that the original Xbox isn't going up any. With multiplatform titles, Xbox versions are usually the best versions to get. They usually perform the best and have the best graphics, so that's the version you usually want. Plus a number of titles are backwards compatible on both XBox 360 and XBox One.
As mentioned somewhere in the previous comments, 1st gen xbox games really didn't age well. Gamecube games on the other hand have all aged beautifully unlike its N64 counterparts, basically all hit Nintendo titles on the GCN like Metroid, Mario, Zelda still hold up amazingly today and are exceedingly popular even with younger children still. Just look on twitch and see all the 13 year olds streaming Mario sunshine or Mario 64.
Same goes for PS2, I mean some of the PS2 exclusives that came out were just incredible. The ratchet, sly fox, jak series, final fantasy and other hit JRPGs.
With the GCN and PS2 so stacked with its amazing library, there was no way xbox with it's extremely limited offering of halo, ninja gaiden, mortal kombat, GTA (which btw is also all released on the PS2) could've competed. That is to say, the xbox was not a failure, fact quite the opposite. But the point is it really doesn't have the same potential in present and future collection value in comparison to the two other 6th gen consoles.
That being said, with the exception of maybe very very few select xbox titles, I don't see the value of 1st gen xbox collections shooting up like GCN or PS2...like ever.
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I understand there's more nostalgia behind PS2 since there were more PS2 users. But still, I find it odd that the original Xbox isn't going up any. With multiplatform titles, Xbox versions are usually the best versions to get. They usually perform the best and have the best graphics, so that's the version you usually want. Plus a number of titles are backwards compatible on both XBox 360 and XBox One.
yes they are the best version but why would someone pick up a Xbox console for just a few games of that genre
Forget nostalgia take survival horror and rpg's why would you get an xbox with few and just medium titles of that genre while ps2 has a ton. Like seriously in terms of actual rpg's you have stuff like black stone magic steel wich is pretty average. Compared to ps2 with it's godlike library for those and the cube having some of the best rpg's of that gen aswell.
Yea sure Xbox version of outrun 2006 is the best but who is going to bother to get a console for just a few games. if you got a cube and ps2, your absolutely not missing much when you skip Xbox
Xbox as always just lacks exclusives even OG xbox days, it was a fine console at the time, pretty impressive with them realistic games, but those games don't age well and are easily replaced by modern day equivalents. and with the genre's that do matter Xbox just dropped the ball compared to ps2 or the cube. There isnt much out there it's not nostalgia.
Again them dreamcast otogi titles are nice but both the cube and ps2 have way more hidden gems to make those pretty forgettable, I'm all for the nostalgia argument but Xbox just doesnt have much that is interesting to play atm in comparison.
Both the cube and ps2 have quality and quantity it's no wonder why many people ignore the OG xbox so much. ps2 and cube have so much more to offer while the xbox especially with a quick glance was just a console with tons of realistic games at the time that didnt age well.
Back then, sure. I can understand that argument for a full-priced, new console. But it's 2020. You can get an original Xbox for dirt cheap, so why not have the best versions? And like I said, backwards compatibility. Even if you don't have one, you can still play many of these games on your 360 or Xbox One if full 1080 HD now, which gives even more incentive to collect those games.
Even then, though. Xbox had it's share of great exclusives. Morrowind alone is on an entirely different level than any other game put out that generation. Then you have Halo 1 & 2, which is probably the hottest selling game of that generation. Fable introduced a lot of people to action-RPGs. Ninja Gaiden was a masterpiece of challenge that games like Dark Souls has drawn inspirations from. Plus a bunch of unsung greats like Arx Fatalis, Dungeons & Dragons Heroes, Jade Empire, Crimson Skies, Stubbs the Zombie, MechAssault 1 &2, and others.
First of all yes Xbox is cheap, plus it's titles, The xbox console is however huge and heavy. Does someone want to invest space for an xbox console plus it's games. Again space could be a selling point. Your better off sticking with cube or ps2 instead in wich both consoles have options that xbox doesn't have plus a library that outclasses xbox by allot. Also how many OG xbox fans actually stuck with the console, Majority might have gotten a ps4 instead because of the lack of exclusives. maybe the majority of the XBOX one fanbase are just current gen players, There are many reasons for old fans to not get the new xbox consoles. The only advantage is a bit more power with the meme of having almost no exclusives.
Still if where talking Xbox classics.
Those titles are nice and all but most are either very common: fable jade empire mech assault ninja gaide etc. These are dollar titles tons of supply if there is increase it won't be much. Also stuff like mech assault do you realise how many mech games ps2 has? Ninja gaiden more like god hand ps2 being the superior option if where talking games that are hard as balls plus a ton of fun.
Also While halo is legendary we live in an era where we have way to many shooters with excellent online, plus the games are common and playable on the new xbox consoles.
I'd say morrow wind/ elder scroll series is a bit more hyped on PC. Daggerfall etc, let alone that it was especially skyrim that brought the hype wich was also released on ps3. Really nice that one of the earlier releases was on Xbox but for the actual origins your going for PC not Xbox. Let alone that you could argue that most people won't replay morrow wind anymore cause of witcher 3 or skyrim, did it age well I'd argue not as well as some other genre's, these kinda games will be replaced when modern equivalents come out, as will witcher 3 and skyrim at some point. Morrow wind is kinda in that awkward spot inbetween. not being old enough while being outclassed by newer titles. It's not a genre that will age well. with the exception of the really old pc stuff.
And again for every hidden gem like arx fatalis, stubbs zombie or otogi. ps2 has 30 - 50 or more vs 1 xbox hidden gem and far far better options that's the issue here
O and Xbox got dreamcast games big deal, because the cube got literally the top tier dreamcast games in ikaruga and skies of arcadia. Panzer dragoon orta and otogi are nice and all but pretty rough considering that is one of the big selling points of xbox for games that are worthy to play today. the gamecube also has more hidden gems than xbox and it's mascot games are top tier. Gamecube has heavy hitting titles that you can't find on even ps2 for a ton of genre's
Xbox has some decent stuff, but ps2 and gamecube are godlike in comparison, let's face the facts here. You miss almost nothing by just sticking with gamecube and ps2 while skipping on xbox.
Xbox will never have a value increase like ps2 or gamecube because it's library is inferior in almost every way. for a ton of genre's Xbox is literally a poor mans console it has almost nothing.
Xbox is by far the lesser option out of the 3, The peaks are way lower there is less variety and there is just way less stuff out there. Xbox is and has always been an inferior sony console
Came out to late, japan hates the console, lack of exclusives resulting in a lackluster library compared to the competition since Og xbox days and has only gotten worse with every new console gen. The only thing that xbox provides is competition towards sony so that's a good thing at least, especially considering that mainstream realistic racing sim and shooters are the big money makers in the industry.
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Oh well, more for me for cheap then. And the best versions of those games, at that.
The only exclusives I have left for the console I still want are Breakdown and Stubbs the Zombie (I have Stubbs, digitally, at least).
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Oh well, more for me for cheap then. And the best versions of those games, at that.
The only exclusives I have left for the console I still want are Breakdown and Stubbs the Zombie (I have Stubbs, digitally, at least).
Not all superior XBOX versions are cheaper though Looking at outrun 2006 and operation genesis.
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Multiplayer on xbox was pretty much only good for shooters and racing games, name me games that are simular to mario party smash bros or some karting game etc. it pales in terms of multiplayer unless you really like certain genre's in wich you could just go to ps2 instead if where talking consoles with lesser multiplayer options. you probably have a better shot at interesting non shooter racing games on ps2.
I'm talking specifically about online multiplayer. If you wanted to play online that generation, Xbox was the console to get. The Playstation and Gamecube's online capabilities were horribly limited in comparison.
Also, while the system didn't have much for JRPGs (Which is because Japan hates the Xbox line, so most Japanese developers stayed away unless it was an easy port. Microsoft tried to fix that with the 360 getting exclusive games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, but the hate persisted), it still had quite a few solid western ones like KOTOR or Morrowind.
Sure, but most online games sold pretty well at the time, a ton of xbox titles are pretty common and worth dollar amounts, let alone that we live in an era with to many shooters and even better online than ever.
The things that mainly increase in price are rpg's survival horror, some of the best action platformers or mascot games. Xbox doesn't really have any of those or budget qaulity ones.
And while it does have some like call of cthulu, it's price is pretty much the same since people rather pick a ps2 or ps1 instead with a way better library in that department in wich tons of games are far better aswell. instead of getting an xbox for just 1 or 2 games.
Really 1 or 2 games? Of course your welcome to your opinion but the Xbox was the most powerful system of it's time and alot of games that were released for Ps2,GameCube and Xbox ran the best on Xbox. Don't get me wrong I loved the ps2 and alot of games were exclusive but don't forget the Ps2 was released over a year before Xbox and was a huge success especially riding on the heals of the successful Ps1. The Xbox only sold 24 million units vs the Ps2 witch sold over 157 million units even though the Xbox was more powerful and games ran better on it couldn't overcome the popularity of Sony. So more demand/nostalgia means higher prices for Ps2 and not so much for Xbox that doesn't mean the system only had 1 or 2 good games.If a game was released for both systems usually it was supeior on Xbox.And Im already seeing Xbox games slowly climbing in price too might be time for some Xbox lovin while things are still cheep it is after all a great system too.
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Multiplayer on xbox was pretty much only good for shooters and racing games, name me games that are simular to mario party smash bros or some karting game etc. it pales in terms of multiplayer unless you really like certain genre's in wich you could just go to ps2 instead if where talking consoles with lesser multiplayer options. you probably have a better shot at interesting non shooter racing games on ps2.
I'm talking specifically about online multiplayer. If you wanted to play online that generation, Xbox was the console to get. The Playstation and Gamecube's online capabilities were horribly limited in comparison.
Also, while the system didn't have much for JRPGs (Which is because Japan hates the Xbox line, so most Japanese developers stayed away unless it was an easy port. Microsoft tried to fix that with the 360 getting exclusive games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, but the hate persisted), it still had quite a few solid western ones like KOTOR or Morrowind.
Sure, but most online games sold pretty well at the time, a ton of xbox titles are pretty common and worth dollar amounts, let alone that we live in an era with to many shooters and even better online than ever.
The things that mainly increase in price are rpg's survival horror, some of the best action platformers or mascot games. Xbox doesn't really have any of those or budget qaulity ones.
And while it does have some like call of cthulu, it's price is pretty much the same since people rather pick a ps2 or ps1 instead with a way better library in that department in wich tons of games are far better aswell. instead of getting an xbox for just 1 or 2 games.
Really 1 or 2 games? Of course your welcome to your opinion but the Xbox was the most powerful system of it's time and alot of games that were released for Ps2,GameCube and Xbox ran the best on Xbox. Don't get me wrong I loved the ps2 and alot of games were exclusive but don't forget the Ps2 was released over a year before Xbox and was a huge success especially riding on the heals of the successful Ps1. The Xbox only sold 24 million units vs the Ps2 witch sold over 157 million units even though the Xbox was more powerful and games ran better on it couldn't overcome the popularity of Sony. So more demand/nostalgia means higher prices for Ps2 and not so much for Xbox that doesn't mean the system only had 1 or 2 good games.If a game was released for both systems usually it was supeior on Xbox.And Im already seeing Xbox games slowly climbing in price too might be time for some Xbox lovin while things are still cheep it is after all a great system too.
by 1 or 2 games I mean for allot of genre's in wich xbox is pretty lacking. say your an rpg or a survival horror guy are you really buying a console for just 2 rpg's or survival horror games? Let alone pretty mediocre ones.
I wouldn't call it nostalgia if it's a poor mans console for a ton of genre's just look at shoot em ups, survival horror or rpg's for example, xbox is poor mans console for those,
Also if where talking superior versions? for the most part where talking titles that aren't that great, titles that get replaced by newer ones, they where pretty nice at the time but realistic games are just impressive at the time, not really the kind of games that people usually replay in the current era, almost no reason if you got the new version.
It's really cool that xbox had the best versions of hitman and burnout and tons of other realistic games. Problem is these games didnt age well not many people replay these let alone that realistic games such as these are impressive at the time but newer versions are just so much better and make these inferior.
it got some superior versions of spiderman, great it's not like the ps4 version made those games pretty much not worth a revisit anyway. but hey that's just me. Meanwhile ps2 and cube have tons of games that are worth replaying today, xbox doesnt have much of those it's very hard to deny that.
Nostalgia for ps2 LMAO can you even call it nostalgia if ps2 had 30 - 50 times the amount of games for a ton of genre's and tons of games that outclass the best stuff on xbox easily.
I know the OG xbox library, own almost 100 of the better titles for the system, but the peaks are way lower and a ton of genre's are so lacking compared to it's competition it's not even funny, and again I can't repeat it enough, Most superior versions of games on Og xbox are not worthwhile to replay today usually pretty trash games wich where just impressive at the time and are replaced by the newer versions on next gen consoles. so i wouldn't call it that much of an advantage applies to only very few titles that are worthwhile.
It's true that the ps2 had a way larger playerbase but the library is so barebones in comparison Blaming nostlagia on ps2 fans is just being ignorant on how mediocre the OG xbox library is in comparison. let alone the heavy hitting stuff wich is pretty non existent if you don't like shooters. wich again in current era shooters galore to many maybe.
OG xbox was the peak of Xbox having some exclusives since it only got less and less with each new generation.
Xbox was a titan at the time, realistic games are money makers after all, problem is those games don't age well, no reason to play those if you got replacements on newer gen consoles,wich results in a library that doesnt have that many great titles to replay today compared to the cube and ps2. the reason why the games are relatively cheap even though way less out there. Why would people actually bother to get an xbox system if it doesn't have much of the genre's that they love. and yes shooters are great xbox got a ton of those, problem is though current era to many quality shooters that outclass it.
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And Im already seeing Xbox games slowly climbing in price too might be time for some Xbox lovin while things are still cheep it is after all a great system too.
And they could go up faster based of how the Series X will handle Backwards compatibility, which is most likely going to take everything the One did and go even further.
One thing Microsoft has done well is ensure the longevity of their system's libraries, making it easy to access the older games even without the original hardware or software. Neither Sony or Nintendo have capitalized on that to the same extent as Microsoft did. If they did, a person could be able to play a game like Xenosaga on their PS4 as easily as a person could play Knights of the Old Republic on their One.
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And Im already seeing Xbox games slowly climbing in price too might be time for some Xbox lovin while things are still cheep it is after all a great system too.
And they could go up faster based of how the Series X will handle Backwards compatibility, which is most likely going to take everything the One did and go even further.
One thing Microsoft has done well is ensure the longevity of their system's libraries, making it easy to access the older games even without the original hardware or software. Neither Sony or Nintendo have capitalized on that to the same extent as Microsoft did. If they did, a person could be able to play a game like Xenosaga on their PS4 as easily as a person could play Knights of the Old Republic on their One.
if where talking a nostalgia title for xbox
Last time I checked star wars battlefront II dropped in value by 50% a few years ago, even platinum releases where worth a sizable chunk before that.
operation genesis same thing btw
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Sorta proves my point there, as Battlefront II is available as a digital download for the One and was even given away for free as a Game with Gold after becoming playable on the One. Most people who want to play a game will choose a $10 download over a $50 physical copy.
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Sorta proves my point there, as Battlefront II is available as a digital download for the One and was even given away for free as a Game with Gold after becoming playable on the One. Most people who want to play a game will choose a $10 download over a $50 physical copy.
Let's take an example say castlevania and megaman X series
Both series are in stores on multiple consoles for cheap or have really nice compilation collections. why are the originals still so expensive even though you can get downloads of those for less than 10$ or a cheap collection on a current gen console
why spend hundreds if you can get all games for 50ish$ in one collection.
even cart only megaman X2 and 3 to name some examples didnt drop in price it stayed either roughly the same or increased in price.
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Poor man's console for RPGs? What?! Xbox had plenty of RPGs. It didn't have a lot of JRPGs. But if you like Western RPGs, Xbox was fantastic.
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Poor man's console for RPGs? What?! Xbox had plenty of RPGs. It didn't have a lot of JRPGs. But if you like Western RPGs, Xbox was fantastic.
you mean sudeki and jade empire?
if where talking morrow wind, why would you need to pick that title up if you have skyrim or witcher III as replacements.
Name me a list if it's that plentyfull of western rpg's?
I can think of only less than 10 titles on OG xbox. let alone than in a ton of those cases with exceptions most western rpg's don't age that well compared to jrpg's or turn based rpg's.
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Morrowind, Arx Fatalis, Jade Empire, Fable, Dungeons & Dragons Heroes, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2, Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 1 & 2, Justice League: Heroes, X-Men Legends 1 & 2, Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows. And even if you don't like every other game on that list, there's no denying Morrowind. That game alone is worth owning an Xbox or a 360. No other game like it on consoles that generation.
And to answer your question: I'd rather play Morrowind on Xbox because I'm not a PC gamer, and even if I was I'm not bothering with tweaking my PC and looking for files to download to make it work in 2020.
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if where talking morrow wind, why would you need to pick that title up if you have skyrim or witcher III as replacements.
Morrowind plays very, very differently than either of those games. That's sorta like asking why bother playing Chrono Trigger when you've got Tales of Vesperia or Ni No Kuni II as replacements.
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All I know is I own 163 Xbox games that you can't even play on a ps2 and I don't even own all the exclusive games. That number alone should peek some intrest for most gamers plus most games released for both systems were better on Xbox.Their were great horor games on Xbox silent hill 2,4 Cold Fear and The Thing,Run Like Hell then exclusive games like House of the dead III,Doom 3,Land of The Dead Road to Fiddler's Green and Half Life 2,Call of Cthulhu,Curse Eye of Isis (exclusive in NA).I think the ps2 was a awesome system with huge amount of exclusive games But as a gamer I wouldn't want to limit myself to only that experience I found plenty to enjoy with both systems imo.
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Morrowind, Arx Fatalis, Jade Empire, Fable, Dungeons & Dragons Heroes, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2, Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 1 & 2, Justice League: Heroes, X-Men Legends 1 & 2, Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows. And even if you don't like every other game on that list, there's no denying Morrowind. That game alone is worth owning an Xbox or a 360. No other game like it on consoles that generation.
And to answer your question: I'd rather play Morrowind on Xbox because I'm not a PC gamer, and even if I was I'm not bothering with tweaking my PC and looking for files to download to make it work in 2020.
Also Crimson Sea,Enclave,Metal Dungeon,Sudeki,Black Stone Magic and Steel,Bards Tale and Fable the lost Chapters
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Let's not forget All Xbox's actually have an internal hard drive capability, with the original Xbox coming with a hard drive packed in. and the PlayStation 2 and GameCube needs memory cards in order to save your game progress. If I were you guys and buying all these PlayStation 2 and GameCube games I'd be stocking up on memory cards too. While they are still cheap. Especially if you like sports games like I do. Or not. ::)
I love both my PlayStation 2 and my Xbox's more than my GameCube. Because GameCube has always been more expensive at least in the past 10 or so years
PlayStation 2 had a room for a hard drive but I never figured out what hard drive is compatible or how to mod a PlayStation 2 how to use it or USB flash drives.
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I know xbox had good stuff
but It lacked exclusives and heavy hitting titles (that people seek to replay today) compared to it's competition, also western rpg's like morrowind where far superior on pc let alone more mods, most people who play these series play it on pc not xbox. again a ton of the nostalgia for that series is pc not console.
Only thing I'm saying is that the argument that more people have nostalgia for the cube and ps2 is a very poor excuse to defend the Og xbox.
Xbox has good stuff but the nostalgia argument for the other consoles makes no sense at all. If the library's where comparable in quality with the other 2 sure I'd love to agree with that but it really isn't the case, not many people will agree with that except for really hardcore xbox fans. I was never to fond of sony in the olden days but it definitely has tons of good stuff wich I figured out later on it definitely is pretty impressive it's pretty hard to deny that it might be one of the best gaming libraries of all time. I really can't say the same for xbox it's not even on the same lvl. Again xbox has great titles like otogi, panzer dragoon orta voodoo vince to name some examples, but it's a pretty far cry compared to the peaks of other consoles especially for titles that are playable today for a different experience.
being suprised why xbox hasnt increased that much in price even though there is way less supply and the rare games are more rare isn't that strange if you compare libraries on all 3 consoles. and the lack of said titles for sought after genre's that are replayable today. I'd only call it slightly underrated at best but I definitely don't fault people for ignoring xbox. it's has some fun stuff but nothing to lose some sleep over compared to ps2 and the cube.
western rpg's and shooters, the first having way more fans as pc players and the 2nd in an era where online quality shooters are in an abundance.
And it hasn't changed in the current era, because exclusives on new gen xbox console have basicly become a big meme now it's almost non existent it's only gotten worse with every new console gen
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I'm not sure how having more nostalgia doesn't make sense. More people owned PS2, therefore there's more people that get nostalgic about it. It's hard to get nostalgic about a machine you never owned (Xbox).
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I'm not sure how having more nostalgia doesn't make sense. More people owned PS2, therefore there's more people that get nostalgic about it. It's hard to get nostalgic about a machine you never owned (Xbox).
what about people that never owned an ps2 and look back at those 6th gen consoles, or what about people that actually did own an OG xbox yet like ps2 way more because it has more and better stuff for the genre's that they like.
if these people have a look at both libraries ps2 is going to win over xbox in a ton of times.
Or What about nintendo fans looking at both the ps2 and xbox console.
Ps2 has tons of stuff that nintendo fans like and more, can one say the same thing for xbox I digress not at the same lvl.
ps2 has way more potential to lure in newcomers, xbox has way less of that.
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Yeah, of course that's true for some people. But most people aren't collectors like us. Most people owned only 1 console per generation. We're niche. So for most people, they had the PS2, and not an Xbox.
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Yeah, of course that's true for some people. But most people aren't collectors like us. Most people owned only 1 console per generation. We're niche. So for most people, they had the PS2, and not an Xbox.
What about gamecube though. even had less sales than xbox yet tons of people seeking games for that console including people that only owned a ps2 back in the day. and xbox sold really poorly in japan wich means way more sales in the west for xbox compared to the cube.
it's pretty hard to say plenty of people have nostalgia for gamecube it was the worst selling console of that generation. Yet gamecube still has an interesting library that lures in not only it's original owners from back in the day, but also sony and probably xbox fans for having heavy hitting quality titles that no other console has and have great replay value today.
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Which goes back to what I said. Makes no sense Xbox games aren't going up too since those are the best versions of games that generation. I never disagreed that PS2 or GameCube is more popular.
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Which goes back to what I said. Makes no sense Xbox games aren't going up too since those are the best versions of games that generation. I never disagreed that PS2 or GameCube is more popular.
to be fair the few games that are multiplatform on xbox are rising the few that actually matter at least.
Fatal frame series has doubled on xbox during covid.
And marvel vs capcom 2 xbox wich is pretty strange considering xbox 360 and ps3 store having those at a pretty low price plus with online play aka the reason why they dropped in value in the first place. that has to be nostalgia and collectors for that one considering that the online download is in the xbox 360 ps3 store for pretty cheap. you'd imagine that hardcore fans of the series already have it by than.
Or ofcourse the few exclusives that are actually worth it, that people actually might replay it in this day and age.
otogi, stubbs zombie conker live & reloaded to name some examples.
if your expecting other titles in the xbox library to rise in price, perhaps it's player base is either more pc based, less replay value today, or the genre being outclassed by current gen shooters and last but not least the games being to common.
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Which goes back to what I said. Makes no sense Xbox games aren't going up too since those are the best versions of games that generation. I never disagreed that PS2 or GameCube is more popular.
"Some people you just cant reach"
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This topic in a nutshell, courtesy of sworddude:
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I thought this was a forum for discussion,
Anyways, pretty amusing to see so many xbox fans being salty and suprised why the OG xbox is allot less popular/sought after compared to the other 2 in the current era ::)
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Well im not salty and im nither a xbox fan nor a ps2 fan im a videogame fan. Im flexible that way.
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Nobody is denying the other two are more popular. That's the entire point of the conversation, lol. And yeah, calling any regulars here fanboys is just ridiculous. We all collect everything. Hell, I have twice the amount of PS2 games than I do Xbox games. And if anyone came off as a fanboy here, it was you. You're intent on making Xbox look like shit like you have a vendetta against it.
It was simply an observation that Xbox versions of games are superior, yet undervalued.
The same can be said for Sega Master System games, I suppose. NES was far more popular, but multiplats are better on Sega Master System. And for the most part, NES games are more sought after.
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I wouldn't say nes and master system are the same as xbox vs ps2 and the cube
master system has quite allot of sought after games wich are very pricy including trash filler title grails. let alone the same kinda genre's unlike xbox wich has a focus on different genre's you got your zelda clones, your rpg's your platformers shootemups. and just allot of good games in general.
Also even though master system grapics are overall better with exceptions, it's soundcard was kinda mediocre. so it's not a win for master system by default, if where talking the multiplatform games on multiple systems, let alone that in them olden days the same game could be totally different per console. This isn't xbox ps2 era with pretty much the exact same product for a multi platform game after all.
The only thing that keeps nes games more pricy is especially cardboard for cib collectors. plastic cases are just far more durable. you could pretty much compare it with snes vs genesis. Master system for the good titles is not a cheap hobby I'd say. cardboard doesn't last and the difference between cib and lose cart is huge. if it wasn't for cardboard nes would be a hell lot cheaper for cib products.
That the nes is more popular absolutely, but the master system didnt sell that well so prices are pretty high and the supply especially for the good stuff isn't all that great
Still superior Xbox versions being undervalued depends,
Since majority of those superior xbox multi platform games are not the kinda games that people might replay on any of the 3 consoles today so those should probably never rise that much in value if the games aren't played that much in the first place, and the few that actually matter do increase in price if where talking xbox. examples like marvel vs capcom 2 and fatal frame exist after all.
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Def Jam? I find it hard to believe that such a casual game would appeal to collectors at all. Maybe I should hit up my local retro spot and buy all 50 copies they likely have for peanuts. Who wants this, and why? I'm pretty familiar with PS2 and calling a random EA fighting game like this "a PS2 cult classic" just doesn't sound correct.
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Def Jam? I find it hard to believe that such a casual game would appeal to collectors at all. Maybe I should hit up my local retro spot and buy all 50 copies they likely have for peanuts. Who wants this, and why? I'm pretty familiar with PS2 and calling a random EA fighting game like this "a PS2 cult classic" just doesn't sound correct.
it has a ton of interesting battle modes that you don't see in any random fighter.
subway and window matches especially seem like fun, I havent seen those modes in any fighting game
https://youtu.be/VMsU2MsxHMo?t=775
always ignored this title but it's not bad, not my kinda game but I could see the appeal if those modes are pretty unique for that title and not found elsewhere.
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Def Jam? I find it hard to believe that such a casual game would appeal to collectors at all. Maybe I should hit up my local retro spot and buy all 50 copies they likely have for peanuts. Who wants this, and why? I'm pretty familiar with PS2 and calling a random EA fighting game like this "a PS2 cult classic" just doesn't sound correct.
The Def Jam games are surprisingly solid. I'd imagine because of the sheer amount of star power behind them, along with the pretty deep soundtracks would add a lot to the collectible-ness of them.
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Def Jam? I find it hard to believe that such a casual game would appeal to collectors at all. Maybe I should hit up my local retro spot and buy all 50 copies they likely have for peanuts. Who wants this, and why? I'm pretty familiar with PS2 and calling a random EA fighting game like this "a PS2 cult classic" just doesn't sound correct.
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The Def Jam games are surprisingly solid. I'd imagine because of the sheer amount of star power behind them, along with the pretty deep soundtracks would add a lot to the collectible-ness of them.
Pretty much. The rap/hip-hop culture behind it is one of the reasons the game goes for so much and has such a high collectibility. The game is dirt cheap in Europe, though.
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By that token, I declare THPS 4 a PS2 cult classic. I’ll be stocking up on copies.
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By that token, I declare THPS 4 a PS2 cult classic. I’ll be stocking up on copies.
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