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VGCollect Site Stuff => Video Game Database Discussion => Topic started by: vivigamer on August 17, 2020, 01:01:17 pm
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Hi,
I've noticed recently that a lot of the details on the entries are turning up Blank. Many I know that I have added details to before seem to have N/A on most catagories and the Disc & Back image deleted. I know Tombi 1 & 2 (I re-did them) were done and Bloody Roar 4 just as a couple of examples. I'm just wondering if I am the only one to notice this?
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Not at all. There are some entries that are being altered/removed despite having been in the database correctly for quite some time.
Recently, I noticed a Lost Odyssey entry for the Xbox 360 was categorized as "NA" yet the title for the entry was changed to read "Lost Odyssey [CA]". The entry details still reads as if it is from the NA region.
I had to remove the entry I've had in my collection for about a year to whatever the newer one was, as I don't own Xbox games from that region. It's a little odd, though I remember there being a post awhile back stating the database had to be rolled back and some newly added entries may have gone missing.
There's also an entry for a gray game cube memory card in my collection that had its picture removed. Some Limited Run Games entries have also been removed due to water marks, though others games are still in the database with the same watermarks.
These are only some examples. You can always take a look at the style guide and the "Error Listings and rejected edits 2020" thread and point those out though.
Edit: As I posted this, I noticed the artwork for the blue and red memory cards I have in my PlayStation 2 accessory collection has also disappeared, haha!
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I know I've been trying to get the watermarks off of the LRG games, but I haven't been requesting the entries be removed. The "soundtrack" bundles have been removed because they aren't sold in a way that would make them a unique entry, apparently.
Certainly a game with a watermark as the image is not "correct" and I've been trying to fix them as I can.
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Any actions taken on entries will show up in the history tab. The only thing that does not show up in the history tab is when a DB Admin deletes a picture.
Items are often deleted from art slots if the front art has a watermark or is a constructed marketing image. Back art is deleted if the picture is not a back picture, media if it is not the media.
See the Item Images (https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,10837.msg177804.html#msg177804) post in the Advanced Style Guide for information about images.
If you have any examples of specific entries where information has disappeared, post them. Also note which fields the information issue happened in.
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Not at all. There are some entries that are being altered/removed despite having been in the database correctly for quite some time.
Recently, I noticed a Lost Odyssey entry for the Xbox 360 was categorized as "NA" yet the title for the entry was changed to read "Lost Odyssey [CA]". The entry details still reads as if it is from the NA region.
I had to remove the entry I've had in my collection for about a year to whatever the newer one was, as I don't own Xbox games from that region. It's a little odd, though I remember there being a post awhile back stating the database had to be rolled back and some newly added entries may have gone missing.
There's also an entry for a gray game cube memory card in my collection that had its picture removed. Some Limited Run Games entries have also been removed due to water marks, though others games are still in the database with the same watermarks.
These are only some examples. You can always take a look at the style guide and the "Error Listings and rejected edits 2020" thread and point those out though.
Edit: As I posted this, I noticed the artwork for the blue and red memory cards I have in my PlayStation 2 accessory collection has also disappeared, haha!
*We really need a spoiler tag!
Sometimes there are entries where the images are for either a variant or from a different region, so it gets edited to reflect this, and then another entry for the correct game is created. There have also been instances where it's the opposite, where the info is for a variant or for another region and the images are wrong, which also gets corrected. I've edited a few entries in the past due to these.
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I've seen worse examples
English boxed copies turned into german spanish or french box versions including region and pictures.
Those are pretty annoying, everyone on the site has that european say 50 - 200 people own them had that game in the collection and somebody had to change it. To how many did that change apply aside from the one who changed it. why not make a new entry instead of altering a current one if you wanted that specific region. the examples usually have english box art aswell wich also gets altered to german or spanish counter parts.
In wich afterwards people to make a new entry with the correct region in wich just 2 people own because formerly a UKV version of said game changed into some spanish or german version. while all the other stick in a flawed entry for them to than eventually spot an incorrect region after weeks or month in their collection.
Those are the worst.
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I've seen worse examples
English boxed copies turned into german spanish or french box versions including region and pictures.
why not make a new entry instead of altering a current one if you wanted that specific region.
Those are the worst.
Those are just what you end up seeing. What you do not see is that users often will find a game entry for something, say a game that was released on two consoles... doesn't matter how popular or obscure the title is. If say, we have an entry for a PS4 game but it also came out on Xbox One, but for whatever reason we have an entry for the PS4 game but not the Xbox One game. A user will edit the PS4 entry, try to change all of the info and put it in the Xbox One category. It is the extreme version of an entry hijack that happens at least once a week. Of course, this type of thing shouldn't get approved.
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Something that's nice about other sites like Discogs is when an item in your collection is edited by someone the system sends you a message to let you know. Wish something like that was implemented here.
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Something that's nice about other sites like Discogs is when an item in your collection is edited by someone the system sends you a message to let you know. Wish something like that was implemented here.
That would be a killer feature indeed and would certainly ease some headache for some people.
What about entries that got removed though? As far as I remember, the owners are carried to the another variant right? That is also sub-obtimal sometimes and would be nice to have notification from.
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Something that's nice about other sites like Discogs is when an item in your collection is edited by someone the system sends you a message to let you know. Wish something like that was implemented here.
Taking into account I currently have in my collection a few games I don't actually own since the original entries were edited, I wouldn't be opposed to that.
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I am still finding that when I go back to games there are details being deleted:
https://vgcollect.com/item/50369
I know for a fact (!) I have gone through Hogs of War for example, now a lot of the details have N/A again. The pictures I posted for the listing are still there, which seems to be the case all of the time but it is just the details which are being reset and I'm still wondering as to why.
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I know for a fact (!) I have gone through Hogs of War for example, now a lot of the details have N/A again. The pictures I posted for the listing are still there, which seems to be the case all of the time but it is just the details which are being reset and I'm still wondering as to why.
On a similar note, there are entries which I have replaced their images that never updated despite being approved. Usually it takes a day or two for the replacement images to publicly show, but I know of at least four separate entries which I've updated longer 5+ days ago that still show the artwork which was approved to be replaced.
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I know for a fact (!) I have gone through Hogs of War for example, now a lot of the details have N/A again. The pictures I posted for the listing are still there, which seems to be the case all of the time but it is just the details which are being reset and I'm still wondering as to why.
On a similar note, there are entries which I have replaced their images that never updated despite being approved. Usually it takes a day or two for the replacement images to publicly show, but I know of at least four separate entries which I've updated longer 5+ days ago that still show the artwork which was approved to be replaced.
You have to reset your image cache to view new images after they are updated, did you try doing that?
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You have to reset your image cache to view new images after they are updated, did you try doing that?
Clearing my image cache solved the problem—thanks! Although this does seem to be an oversight in updating entries. I imagine that the average user isn't clearing their cache daily.
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This is a function of your browser and the settings, there is nothing we can do about client image caching.
Instead of going through and blasting your whole cache, you can use Ctrl+F5 (on PC) to do a non-cached reload of a single page to update the image. Sometimes it happens to me, I just have to do that to verify an image is updated.
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Not to dig up a dead horse (Or pig for that matter) but I looked back to the Hogs of War listing I referenced before and once again all the details for the listing have returned to N/A. I saw this was the case with the PS4 LE of Final Fantasy X/X-2 Remaster too, so it's still happening. I'll redo Hogs of War again and see if it resets at a later date:
https://vgcollect.com/item/50369
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The only "stealth" edits that can be done (where no attribution is made on the history tab) is the removal of pictures. Potentially Dev/Pub is also technically possible.... But other things that are in fields, if info was removed it would have a name on it if a person did it.
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I've seen worse examples
English boxed copies turned into german spanish or french box versions including region and pictures.
Im kinda new to the database, been here about a year now. But ive found this is an issue in the PS2 EU releases. Alot of mis-filed editions under the wrong country within the EU. Many barcodes and pics are wrong from my experience.
Ive been adding alot of images from my own collection to try to correct these errors but sometimes admin dont accept my proposed changes.
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Im kinda new to the database, been here about a year now. But ive found this is an issue in the PS2 EU releases. Alot of mis-filed editions under the wrong country within the EU. Many barcodes and pics are wrong from my experience.
Ive been adding alot of images from my own collection to try to correct these errors but sometimes admin dont accept my proposed changes.
I intended to message you after rejecting several of your edit submissions yesterday, but I decided to take the time to clean up one of the items in detail and forgot to do so. That being said, you'll be happy to find out that SingStar Rock Ballads (https://vgcollect.com/search/advanced/119/"singstar%20rock%20ballads"/no-filter/ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL/no-filter/no-filter/no-filter) was cleaned up by properly identifying regional versions from another. The immediate reason why your submissions were rejected was due to users originally submitting entries with little to no information that properly identify an item from another. At minimum, the ideal newly-submitted entry should be submitted with at least the Barcode field entered (if present.)
I'll message you now to see what other entries need amending, as I don't remember what other entries I rejected.
I've seen worse examples
English boxed copies turned into german spanish or french box versions including region and pictures.
While tripredacus has already responded to this long ago, I would like to add that an entry's identity is related to what information the entry was submitted with. For instance, if a [FR] item was submitted without images and no other information aside from [FR] barcode and was then later on approved to feature [DE] artwork and other details, the entry should ideally be amended to properly represent the [FR] item. Whether or not your examples were the scenario that I presented with, I don't know. However, limiting these kinds of errors and errors to-be all relies in submitting quality entries. Personally, when confronting any sort of potential identity-changing submitted edit for [EU] items, I always check to make sure the changes aren't in error. Too many mixed-matched entries already existing within the database, and I'd like to help by not contributing more.
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One of the main reasons I have noticed regarding EU entries is the result of people using images from Gamefaqs. A lot of their EU box art entries will be of any number of EU releaes, sometimes with a front and back from different countries. While Gamefaqs is still a good source of info and pictures, always be careful of their box arts for EU releases. Always try to confirm that the release is actually correct before using their pictures.
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The immediate reason why your submissions were rejected was due to users originally submitting entries with little to no information that properly identify an item from another. At minimum, the ideal newly-submitted entry should be submitted with at least the Barcode field entered (if present.)
I'll message you now to see what other entries need amending, as I don't remember what other entries I rejected.
I cant remember off the top of my head which specific submissions were rejected incorrectly in my opinion but i can try to explain with more detail what i think is wrong.
Basically the UK has its own Age Classifications for Movies & Videogames, so when u see that UK symbol on the box (the game front cover) then you know the game is a UK release. The ESPL rating is European under the EU. Obviously most games are released in English across Europe and therefore its easy to mix these up. The vast majority of games released in the UK have the ESPL rating and the UK authorities are fine with that and dont interfere and dont add their own classification... but some games have been designated their own UK rating. Which makes them a UK only release because this rating is not accepted in other countries (to my knowledge).
As a collector i try to find both versions of the same game but they dont always exist.
Interestingly it appears that videogames based on movies & TV have the UK rating - The Thing / The Matrix / The Incredibles / Mr Bean / Spongebob. Although there are some exceptions to this - Metal Gear Solid / Grand Theft Auto - who have the UK rating but no movie/TV release.
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Further to the above point is the issue of barcodes.
Basically a barcode on your database is finding itself on more than one entry. For example the UK release, the EU release, the Platinum release etc. And yet they all have their own unique barcodes. So it appears to me that some barcode amendments have been rejected as you are believeing that one barcode on one release is the only correct barcode across all versions of the game.
The only barcode amendments i submit are from games that i am literally holding in my hand so i know theyre correct.
I mean ive even seen game releases that do not have a barcode in the back art image due to being included in a game bundle and yet a barcode appears in the database. Either the backbox art is incorrect or the barcode needs to be removed.
I hope this helps :)
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Neither the rating nor the barcode thing is definitive, in other words you are correct sometimes but not all of the time. There are instances where the same barcode is used in different countries. As far as I can tell, the usage of barcode seems to be relating to the publisher, and a publisher may not opt for a new barcode in another country if it doesn't have to. So try to remember to never expect that the barcode is going to be different because sometimes it isn't.
For rating, again it depends. Sometimes a publisher may decide to release the UK version to EU, or not make a separate version for EU and UK and then the EU version is the same and has the BBFC rating. There are also times where a publisher does it the opposite way, where the version sold in UK is the "EU" version and thus has the ELPSA rating on it and no BBFC rating. The instances beyond that is when a publisher or distributor uses BBFC rating labels on EU/ELSPA rated titles.
In any case, as for rejects it depends on the particular instance. If you submit and edit and it gets rejected post into the Listing Error thread:
https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,10555.0.html
Put the item link in the post, and what you tried to change (and to what) and then we can review it and say why it happened. Sometimes it happens by mistake, or sometimes because we need to research it for later and reject it so it doesn't stay in the queue. Other times it is because previous info on the entry prohibits changing the data you tried to put.
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Neither the rating nor the barcode thing is definitive, in other words you are correct sometimes but not all of the time. There are instances where the same barcode is used in different countries.
As i said above, im literally holding the games from each of these releases so i can see theyre different. I only post a change when i have it in my hands. Therefore, i can see when a barcode is incorrectly used for multiple releases.
Ofc sometimes the same barcode is used for multiple releases, and again, if i have both in my hands and theyre the same then i dont post an amendment on the database.
For rating, again it depends. Sometimes a publisher may decide to release the UK version to EU, or not make a separate version for EU and UK and then the EU version is the same and has the BBFC rating. There are also times where a publisher does it the opposite way, where the version sold in UK is the "EU" version and thus has the ELPSA rating on it and no BBFC rating. The instances beyond that is when a publisher or distributor uses BBFC rating labels on EU/ELSPA rated titles.
Im not sure this is correct. My understanding is that the Official Certification Office themselves will decide whether to certify a game or not, not the publisher. Thats why videogames that are also movies will automatically get the UK movie certification for UK release (as i state above). Its not a coincidence that all games based on movies have a separate UK release, surely thats the UK Certification Office instructing them to do so. So the Publisher has no choice, if they want to sell the game in the UK they must apply for a UK certification.
And it looks like big game releases like Metal Gear and GTA have UK certification, maybe this is because the Certification Office demands to check and certify the game before they allow UK release?
Just my thoughts ;)
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I cant remember off the top of my head which specific submissions were rejected incorrectly in my opinion but i can try to explain with more detail what i think is wrong.
As previously mentioned, you are welcome to re-submit the proposed edits or post in the Error listings and rejected edits thread (https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,10555.0.html). If you are having trouble recalling which entries you previously attempted to edit, you can view your edit history at the top-right of your account homepage which should give you insight.
Neither the rating nor the barcode thing is definitive, in other words you are correct sometimes but not all of the time. There are instances where the same barcode is used in different countries.
As i said above, im literally holding the games from each of these releases so i can see theyre different. I only post a change when i have it in my hands. Therefore, i can see when a barcode is incorrectly used for multiple releases.
I understand that the information you're sharing is correct for the item you possess. However, whether or not this information corresponds to the particular entry you're editing is what is being brought attention to here. When entries are later edited post-submission, the original intent of what that entry was to represent needs to be upheld. This is to prevent entries from being converted in subtle ways such as "Super Mario 64 [DE]" to "Super Mario 64 [FR]" or, in more extreme cases, "Super Mario 64 [DE]" to "NFL 2K20" in a NA category.