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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: eaglelord9814 on October 01, 2020, 11:24:09 pm
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Tbh there are some systems I never owned & I never played before & yes I'm including Sega systems too as well & for now I'm thinking of to get/buy & added to my collection a Sega Genesis or a Japanese Sega Saturn & lol I don't know if Sega systems is only for little kids since I'm in my 30's & I will admit it again that I'm a otaku,I'm a gamer,I'm a final fantasy fan/huge fan aka final fantasy nerd,I'm a hentai fan,I love hentai both vr & non-vr & I love hentai stuff too. & some of Sega games do looked fun & lol in a way some of you guys make me want to get into sega systems & funny thing is I never owned & I never played any of Sega systems before.
So I'm asking you guys your opinions & from your experiences which Sega systems do you guys think I should get/buy & added to my collection & my waifu collection & you guys think I might love? Thanks again for sharing your opinions & your experiences of owning Sega systems :).
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id start with genesis, dreamcast and if you like them try master system and or saturn.
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Sega Genesis has some good RPGs, not nearly as many as Nintendo, but the Phantasy Star series have some great storytelling.
Sega was definitely more mature than Nintendo, I don't know where you heard it was for a younger audience. Nintendo didn't even allow blood in their Mortal Kombat port.
I can't help you on the Hentai angle, but there are some nice scantily clad women on a few covers...
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Anyhoo, I recommend Sega Genesis, since it's games might be the most affordable
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Sega Genesis has some good RPGs, not nearly as many as Nintendo, but the Phantasy Star series have some great storytelling.
Sega was definitely more mature than Nintendo, I don't know where you heard it was for a younger audience. Nintendo didn't even allow blood in their Mortal Kombat port.
I can't help you on the Hentai angle, but there are some nice scantily clad women on a few covers...
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Anyhoo, I recommend Sega Genesis, since it's games might be the most affordable
Its ok don't worry about it & I was only guessing about Sega systems at the moment for now & I know that Nintendo is only for little kids but now its in the reverse what Nintendoes what Soyny don't thanks to Regi in regards to censorships
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Sega Genesis has some good RPGs, not nearly as many as Nintendo, but the Phantasy Star series have some great storytelling.
Sega was definitely more mature than Nintendo, I don't know where you heard it was for a younger audience. Nintendo didn't even allow blood in their Mortal Kombat port.
I can't help you on the Hentai angle, but there are some nice scantily clad women on a few covers...
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Anyhoo, I recommend Sega Genesis, since it's games might be the most affordable
genesis ain't only the most affordable but in terms of quality it's by many considered the best. not to mention that the affordable games as in less than 20$ on other sega systems are usually far and few in between in terms of good.
If where talking scantily clad women, you'd definitely want to go japanese saturn tons of cheap games in that department to. japanese saturn lots are filled to the brim with these kinds of games it seems. I'm not to sure if I could call them games though.
also sometimes some actual decent games with those features such as steam hearts but that one is actually pretty pricy.
I don't know why the topic starter seeks out sega consoles for that kinda stuff it's there but i think some decent internet on pc might give way better results than going through the hassle with japanese saturn.
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Sega Genesis has some good RPGs, not nearly as many as Nintendo, but the Phantasy Star series have some great storytelling.
Sega was definitely more mature than Nintendo, I don't know where you heard it was for a younger audience. Nintendo didn't even allow blood in their Mortal Kombat port.
I can't help you on the Hentai angle, but there are some nice scantily clad women on a few covers...
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Anyhoo, I recommend Sega Genesis, since it's games might be the most affordable
genesis ain't only the most affordable but in terms of quality it's by many considered the best. not to mention that the affordable games as in less than 20$ on other sega systems are usually far and few in between in terms of good.
If where talking scantily clad women, you'd definitely want to go japanese saturn tons of cheap games in that department to. japanese saturn lots are filled to the brim with these kinds of games it seems. I'm not to sure if I could call them games though.
also sometimes some actual decent games with those features such as steam hearts but that one is actually pretty pricy.
I don't know why the topic starter seeks out sega consoles for that kinda stuff it's there but i think some decent internet on pc might give way better results than going through the hassle with japanese saturn.
Don't worry sooner or later I will get even more into pc gaming & leave consoles & console censorships
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In my own collecting experience SEGA Genesis is the most common console to find games and systems for in my local area. SEGA Saturn and Dreamcast and even the Master System is extremely hard to find, in my local area, and I have a lot of gaming sources to choose from in my local area. and for the record Nintendo 64 had some violent and adult games too. I know Nintendo, has more of a reputation for a younger or family friendly audience,
But,.... Duke Nukem Zero Hour is a Nintendo 64 exclusive. and it's vary violent because you can blow the heads off enemies as well as blow a hole right through their body, Duke Nukem Zero hour is even more violent than most Call Of Duty games.
in short Every console has violence as well as family friendly games.
Also Duke Nukem Zero Hour for the Nintendo 64 has some porn hidden throughout some of the levels. too, so it's an adult game for sure
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Dreamcast and US Saturn have a large financial hurdle to climb if you want to play anything besides sports games. Japanese Saturn is fine but you have to figure out 2 things:
1. Finding a working Japanese Saturn and then the various required accessories for it.
2. Have to learn Japanese
For the language issue, there are some games you can get away with not knowing how to read Japanese as the menus are in English. These are typically the sports games that had US/EU releases. You can get away with Fighting games because the menus are wasy to figure out. Anything beyond that, such as RPGs or anything more complex, you won't be able to get by with just Katakana knowledge. Some games you are doing to need to know Hiragana and the other one. One example is that if you can't read Hiragana, and have not played the English version of Magic Knight Rayearth, you won't be able to play the Japanese version because of the menus.
However, if you aren't concerned with having to hunt down physical games, you can get a Saturn or Dreamcast (any model) and then TerraOnion's MODE, which is an ODE that installs to either console and can play any region games.
The Genesis is the best bet for compatibility, if you want to be able to play Master System games then you'll need a Power Base Converter. Genesis games are a lot easier to find in the secondary market than Saturn or Dreamcast, and usually at lower prices. As for which model, that is usually up to debate, but I tend to prefer the Model 1.
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Dreamcast and US Saturn have a large financial hurdle to climb if you want to play anything besides sports games. Japanese Saturn is fine but you have to figure out 2 things:
1. Finding a working Japanese Saturn and then the various required accessories for it.
2. Have to learn Japanese
For the language issue, there are some games you can get away with not knowing how to read Japanese as the menus are in English. These are typically the sports games that had US/EU releases. You can get away with Fighting games because the menus are wasy to figure out. Anything beyond that, such as RPGs or anything more complex, you won't be able to get by with just Katakana knowledge. Some games you are doing to need to know Hiragana and the other one. One example is that if you can't read Hiragana, and have not played the English version of Magic Knight Rayearth, you won't be able to play the Japanese version because of the menus.
However, if you aren't concerned with having to hunt down physical games, you can get a Saturn or Dreamcast (any model) and then TerraOnion's MODE, which is an ODE that installs to either console and can play any region games.
The Genesis is the best bet for compatibility, if you want to be able to play Master System games then you'll need a Power Base Converter. Genesis games are a lot easier to find in the secondary market than Saturn or Dreamcast, and usually at lower prices. As for which model, that is usually up to debate, but I tend to prefer the Model 1.
I would not recommend a power base converter tons of quality games ain't compatible
Just get a master system model 1 or even the inferior model 2 if you have to.
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Dreamcast and US Saturn have a large financial hurdle to climb if you want to play anything besides sports games. Japanese Saturn is fine but you have to figure out 2 things:
1. Finding a working Japanese Saturn and then the various required accessories for it.
2. Have to learn Japanese
For the language issue, there are some games you can get away with not knowing how to read Japanese as the menus are in English. These are typically the sports games that had US/EU releases. You can get away with Fighting games because the menus are wasy to figure out. Anything beyond that, such as RPGs or anything more complex, you won't be able to get by with just Katakana knowledge. Some games you are doing to need to know Hiragana and the other one. One example is that if you can't read Hiragana, and have not played the English version of Magic Knight Rayearth, you won't be able to play the Japanese version because of the menus.
However, if you aren't concerned with having to hunt down physical games, you can get a Saturn or Dreamcast (any model) and then TerraOnion's MODE, which is an ODE that installs to either console and can play any region games.
The Genesis is the best bet for compatibility, if you want to be able to play Master System games then you'll need a Power Base Converter. Genesis games are a lot easier to find in the secondary market than Saturn or Dreamcast, and usually at lower prices. As for which model, that is usually up to debate, but I tend to prefer the Model 1.
I would not recommend a power base converter tons of quality games ain't compatible
Just get a master system model 1 or even the inferior model 2 if you have to.
The "incompatible" games work fine on the Power Base Converter if you get an actual Master System controller, which are compatible on a Genesis. I own Wonder Boy in Monster Land and the converter, speaking from experience. Had to buy a SMS controller and it fixed the issue.
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Dreamcast and US Saturn have a large financial hurdle to climb if you want to play anything besides sports games. Japanese Saturn is fine but you have to figure out 2 things:
1. Finding a working Japanese Saturn and then the various required accessories for it.
2. Have to learn Japanese
For the language issue, there are some games you can get away with not knowing how to read Japanese as the menus are in English. These are typically the sports games that had US/EU releases. You can get away with Fighting games because the menus are wasy to figure out. Anything beyond that, such as RPGs or anything more complex, you won't be able to get by with just Katakana knowledge. Some games you are doing to need to know Hiragana and the other one. One example is that if you can't read Hiragana, and have not played the English version of Magic Knight Rayearth, you won't be able to play the Japanese version because of the menus.
However, if you aren't concerned with having to hunt down physical games, you can get a Saturn or Dreamcast (any model) and then TerraOnion's MODE, which is an ODE that installs to either console and can play any region games.
The Genesis is the best bet for compatibility, if you want to be able to play Master System games then you'll need a Power Base Converter. Genesis games are a lot easier to find in the secondary market than Saturn or Dreamcast, and usually at lower prices. As for which model, that is usually up to debate, but I tend to prefer the Model 1.
I would not recommend a power base converter tons of quality games ain't compatible
Just get a master system model 1 or even the inferior model 2 if you have to.
The "incompatible" games work fine on the Power Base Converter if you get an actual Master System controller, which are compatible on a Genesis. I own Wonder Boy in Monster Land and the converter, speaking from experience. Had to buy a SMS controller and it fixed the issue.
no they won't allot of games don't even boot up or crash pretty early.
I've seen this across multiple of the same copies of great games with multiple power base converters.
on a master system console works perfectly every time, doesn't matter what controller is inserted if where talking powerbase, wich I naturally have tried since I'm aware of that list
Your only talking about the games with controller issues those boot up normally but just won't control well withouth a master system controller. I'm talking games that never work and the lists for these seem non existent since power base converters are so rare.
yes allot of games work, but allot of good games don't work, seems to me that the 16 bit genesis lacks something even with the power base converter. it's kinda annoying. 15% of the library might not work.
I assure you, if you want to play master system games don't waste your money on a powerbase converter. it's a nice collectible nothing more nothing less. a ton of games work but a sizable chunk including pretty solid titles won't work at all.
believe me I have had tons of master system games and multiple power base converters. it's compatibility is trash.
I don't know how pricy master system consoles are in the US. but in europe even a model 1 is far cheaper than a lose rare power base converter
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It's not hard to find a list at all, literally took 2 seconds on Google. Every game on that list except 2 (Alien 3 and F-16), are a controller issue:
https://segaretro.org/Power_Base_Converter#Incompatible_games
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It's not hard to find a list at all, literally took 2 seconds on Google. Every game on that list except 2 (Alien 3 and F-16), are a controller issue:
https://segaretro.org/Power_Base_Converter#Incompatible_games
I have seen that list countless times, that's just for controller issues. that's not the list of games that actually don't work not to mention, aside from wonderboy not superbly good titles that are missed imo.
Just to name your wonderboy example wich does work perfectly fine on the powerbase.
if you where to boot that game up with a 16 bit controller it would run fine. the only problem is that your character will be running to the left and right superbly fast in wich you can't play the game your character would look broken thanks to a controller error.
The game has already been booted up however, once you swap controller to 8bit you can play it perfectly fine.
I'm talking about actually non functional games wich don't boot up no matter what. black screen. and I'm talking multiple copies of the same game on different power base converters most of wich where boxed. on an actual master system console zero issues.
just my 2 cents over the years. I'm glad I have both options available to me but the powerbase converter is imo a let down at times. considering it's price especially in europe I don't see why anyone would get a powerbase instead of a cheaper master system console.
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It's not hard to find a list at all, literally took 2 seconds on Google. Every game on that list except 2 (Alien 3 and F-16), are a controller issue:
https://segaretro.org/Power_Base_Converter#Incompatible_games
I have seen that list countless times, that's just for controller issues. that's not the list of games that actually don't work not to mention, aside from wonderboy not superbly good titles that are missed imo.
Just to name your wonderboy example wich does work perfectly fine on the powerbase.
if you where to boot that game up with a 16 bit controller it would run fine. the only problem is that your character will be running to the left and right superbly fast in wich you can't play the game your character would look broken thanks to a controller error.
The game has already been booted up however, once you swap controller to 8bit you can play it perfectly fine.
I'm talking about actually non functional games wich don't boot up no matter what. black screen. and I'm talking multiple copies of the same game on different power base converters most of wich where boxed. on an actual master system console zero issues.
just my 2 cents over the years. I'm glad I have both options available to me but the powerbase converter is imo a let down at times. considering it's price especially in europe I don't see why anyone would get a powerbase instead of a cheaper master system console.
No, it's not just controller issue list. It literally names the only 2 games that have compatibility issues that aren't controller issues.
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It's not hard to find a list at all, literally took 2 seconds on Google. Every game on that list except 2 (Alien 3 and F-16), are a controller issue:
https://segaretro.org/Power_Base_Converter#Incompatible_games
I have seen that list countless times, that's just for controller issues. that's not the list of games that actually don't work not to mention, aside from wonderboy not superbly good titles that are missed imo.
Just to name your wonderboy example wich does work perfectly fine on the powerbase.
if you where to boot that game up with a 16 bit controller it would run fine. the only problem is that your character will be running to the left and right superbly fast in wich you can't play the game your character would look broken thanks to a controller error.
The game has already been booted up however, once you swap controller to 8bit you can play it perfectly fine.
I'm talking about actually non functional games wich don't boot up no matter what. black screen. and I'm talking multiple copies of the same game on different power base converters most of wich where boxed. on an actual master system console zero issues.
just my 2 cents over the years. I'm glad I have both options available to me but the powerbase converter is imo a let down at times. considering it's price especially in europe I don't see why anyone would get a powerbase instead of a cheaper master system console.
No, it's not just controller issue list. It literally names the only 2 games that have compatibility issues that aren't controller issues.
in my experience there are far more games with actual non controller incompatibility issues than that list. it's not only alien 3 and f falcon if it was just those 2 games I would give zero shits since I'm not that interested in those 2 particular titles.
I seek that list up every time i come across a game that doesnt work on the powerbase converter and be a bit annoyed that there is so little info on the net. I wish that list was accurate. and i thought maybe my game or hardware was faulty. but like I said I tested multiple copies of those games that aren't on the list on multiple power base converters. so you could see why I don't like the power base converter to much. obviously zero issues on actual master system console. and yea sure most games work perfectly but it's not a space saver if not all good titles work and you still need original hardware to play them
But again just my experience.
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wonderboy 2 had issues.
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Since you are an otaku, a gamer, a final fantasy fan/huge fan aka final fantasy nerd, a hentai fan, loves hentai both vr & non-vr & loves hentai stuff too, I'd recommend the Sega Pico...
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Stay away from Saturn & CD unless you've got very deep pockets. Genesis & Master are the 2 cheapest atm with only a handful of stupid expensive titles. Game Gear isn't bad right now but 32X is on the rise so might wanna steer clear of that unless you can find some good deals.
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Least expensive way would be Master System but around me near impossible to find. I would start with genesis/sega cd some things can get pricey but mostly reasonable and easier to find.Dreamcast is also a great system to collect for but can get pricey and are harder to find.If you don't mind droping alot of money you could go saturn but it's even harder to find games and expensive as hell.
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Least expensive way would be Master System but around me near impossible to find. I would start with genesis/sega cd some things can get pricey but mostly reasonable and easier to find.Dreamcast is also a great system to collect for but can get pricey and are harder to find.If you don't mind droping alot of money you could go saturn but it's even harder to find games and expensive as hell.
don't get me wrong but unless where talking full sets I don't see how master system is cheaper. Sure it has tons of cheap titles but they are kinda bad. your better off with nes let's be honest here. the good stuff ain't that cheap even common stuff such as fantasy zone
Meanwhile genesis has cheaper consoles and games wich are cheap while being some of the best on the console.
alladin, sonics or what about the 6 pack that includes streets of rage, golden axe and revenge shinobi. these are literally some of the best games on the system for dirt cheap.
to name some examples getting some decent platformers or even shootemups is a possibility for cheap prices aswell. How is genesis not cheaper than master system. and if where talking filler trash titles the genesis has plenty of stuff aswell for dirt cheap. unless your going for full sets genesis is definitely way cheaper while you might actually have a good time aswell. plenty of good games that are affordable while with master system your paying for trash.
Seriously if where only talking actual cheap titles if you go for an 8 bit system just go with nes than you'll actually have some good games. with master system your missing out on almost all the go to titles.
in cib, boxed and cart only genesis is definitely cheaper while still having quality titles. and that's aside from the fact that master system is a bit more pricy in the US than it is from europe.
but legit why would you buy a cheap altered beast on master system vs the superior version on genesis at the same price. I don't see the win here. master system definitely has dollar games, but they are actual trash, with genesis you might actually have a shot at something decent at those prices. I'd even argue your getting better value of cart only snes vs cart only master system since snes is once again also a system with cheap cart only good games.
like seriously if you want to have a good time and systems for affordable games in 2d era
it's nes, snes and genesis.
I would only include master system if you don't mind mostly filler titles, the above 3 systems have both filler and actual good stuff for cheap.
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Genesis used to be one of the cheapest to collect for. But it's been gaining steam the last few years. I think in 2020, he's right, Master System is cheaper to collect for.
And SNES cheap? Have you looked up Super Metroid or Link to the Past lately? And those are common titles.
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Genesis used to be one of the cheapest to collect for. But it's been gaining steam the last few years. I think in 2020, he's right, Master System is cheaper to collect for.
And SNES cheap? Have you looked up Super Metroid or Link to the Past lately? And those are common titles.
super R type 8 to 12$ is cheaper than a cart only R type on master system, cheap as chips. Super r type on snes is actually pretty good, master system r-type while an impressive port is subpar. if you want a decent shoot em up on master system it's the common fantasy zone wich is 30$ cart only. you can get quite some shootemups cart only on snes for 10ish $ only. and don't get me started on the shootem up king that is the genesis, so how is the master system cheaper again ::)
street fighter II 8 - 12$ snes one of the best 2d fighting games what comes close in master system for that value? again cheap as chips there are so many cheap games cart only on snes that are actually pretty nice. meanwhile pretty much all the go to master system games even cart only are more pricy than those options. and that's aside from the fact that the console or the adapter is more pricy than a genesis console.
metroid and zelda where always expensive but there have always been way cheaper options for snes. that's not a good counter argument same can be said for the popular master system games. still even though zelda link to the past USA is pricy at 20ish atm. if you want an inferior zelda experience on master system your spending 150ish $ for a lose cardridge of golden axe warrior
What is going to beat sonic classics wich is 3 sonic games including 2 for 7 - 10$ every sonic game on master system is more pricy and inferior in gameplay and you got 3 with genesis for the price of less than 1 master system sonic game
Name me some cheap cart only games on master system that are worth playing, what kind of budget per game we talking if your talking cheap.
I agree that the top is higher, but them consoles have a lower entry point for decent stuff than the master system in wich cheap stuff is bargain bin filler material
let's pick one of the cheapest but best cart only games for master system
Shinobi 18$ cart only in the US
Why the hell would you pay that compared to 12$ for either the superior revenge of shinobi classics release wich is literally one of the best 16 bit games of all time
or the sega 6 pack for 7 - 10$ $ wich is revenge of shinobi streets of rage and golden axe and 3 other titles. and that's aside from the acces to decent lesser platformers shootemups etc good stuff to be had, meanwhile with master system :P
How is the master system cheaper unless where talking dollar titles such as california games or sports titles in wich literally both the snes and genesis have plenty aswell. even snes beats master system hands down in terms of value.
These are cart only prices btw, also cib master system for those common games beats out genesis aswell so again volume is key.
master system console or powerbase in wich you also need a genesis console is more pricy. like seriously even the trash model 2 unit withouth a box in the US is twice the price compared to both the snes or genesis. Pretty nice start for the master system at being the supposedly cheaper console to collect for.
Your cheap titles are trash
Higher price point before games start to get good.
and if you are going to say that a price point of 20ish $ is okay, what in the master system category is going to beat titles such as megaman x/super mario world snes or streets of rage II/sonic 3 genesis wich are all low 20ish or lower aside from the acces to pretty much all great games at that price point of all 2d genre's
The only cheap thing about master system is that the pricy games aren't as pricy but seriously most people won't get any at either consoles. and if your looking for cheap games full sets are out of the question anyway. Master system also has a fairly small library wich again is a big negative compared to genesis snes or nes.
Just because world cup italia, or california games on master system are found on the regular for peanuts doesnt mean master system is a cheaper console to collect for than genesis. cheap master system lots are absolute garbage there is a reason why it's so cheap. it seems to me that people look to much at only the expensive titles while they forget how many cheap titles the snes and genesis have that are decent to some of the best games on the system
It's not even a contest genesis is far cheaper and actually gives good value for entertainment. To collect and play master system at low prices, can be compared to eating bread crumbs while drinking tap water at thanksgiving. While you will actually eat like a king with genesis and snes at the same value.
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Least expensive way would be Master System but around me near impossible to find. I would start with genesis/sega cd some things can get pricey but mostly reasonable and easier to find.Dreamcast is also a great system to collect for but can get pricey and are harder to find.If you don't mind droping alot of money you could go saturn but it's even harder to find games and expensive as hell.
don't get me wrong but unless where talking full sets I don't see how master system is cheaper. Sure it has tons of cheap titles but they are kinda bad. your better off with nes let's be honest here. the good stuff ain't that cheap even common stuff such as fantasy zone
Meanwhile genesis has cheaper consoles and games wich are cheap while being some of the best on the console.
alladin, sonics or what about the 6 pack that includes streets of rage, golden axe and revenge shinobi. these are literally some of the best games on the system for dirt cheap.
to name some examples getting some decent platformers or even shootemups is a possibility for cheap prices aswell. How is genesis not cheaper than master system. and if where talking filler trash titles the genesis has plenty of stuff aswell for dirt cheap. unless your going for full sets genesis is definitely way cheaper while you might actually have a good time aswell. plenty of good games that are affordable while with master system your paying for trash.
Seriously if where only talking actual cheap titles if you go for an 8 bit system just go with nes than you'll actually have some good games. with master system your missing out on almost all the go to titles.
in cib, boxed and cart only genesis is definitely cheaper while still having quality titles. and that's aside from the fact that master system is a bit more pricy in the US than it is from europe.
but legit why would you buy a cheap altered beast on master system vs the superior version on genesis at the same price. I don't see the win here. master system definitely has dollar games, but they are actual trash, with genesis you might actually have a shot at something decent at those prices. I'd even argue your getting better value of cart only snes vs cart only master system since snes is once again also a system with cheap cart only good games.
like seriously if you want to have a good time and systems for affordable games in 2d era
it's nes, snes and genesis.
I would only include master system if you don't mind mostly filler titles, the above 3 systems have both filler and actual good stuff for cheap.
Around me master system is definitely cheaper if you can find them but this is just my opinion.
It's ok if you disagree but you don't have to reply with a six paragraph rebuttal.
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My opinion... strictly my opinion
I’d start with Dreamcast. Most of the really good games are really common. Yeah, there’s expensive stuff, but those arcade style games are pretty affordable. Soul Calibur, Hydro Thunder, Crazy Taxi; these are all really common but great games.
My favorites on Genesis are stupid high. That’s why I don’t think it’s the best to start with. Castlevania, Contra, Gunstar Heroes, and TMNT are all expensive games. Emulate them or get a Genesis Mini.
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Least expensive way would be Master System but around me near impossible to find. I would start with genesis/sega cd some things can get pricey but mostly reasonable and easier to find.Dreamcast is also a great system to collect for but can get pricey and are harder to find.If you don't mind droping alot of money you could go saturn but it's even harder to find games and expensive as hell.
don't get me wrong but unless where talking full sets I don't see how master system is cheaper. Sure it has tons of cheap titles but they are kinda bad. your better off with nes let's be honest here. the good stuff ain't that cheap even common stuff such as fantasy zone
Meanwhile genesis has cheaper consoles and games wich are cheap while being some of the best on the console.
alladin, sonics or what about the 6 pack that includes streets of rage, golden axe and revenge shinobi. these are literally some of the best games on the system for dirt cheap.
to name some examples getting some decent platformers or even shootemups is a possibility for cheap prices aswell. How is genesis not cheaper than master system. and if where talking filler trash titles the genesis has plenty of stuff aswell for dirt cheap. unless your going for full sets genesis is definitely way cheaper while you might actually have a good time aswell. plenty of good games that are affordable while with master system your paying for trash.
Seriously if where only talking actual cheap titles if you go for an 8 bit system just go with nes than you'll actually have some good games. with master system your missing out on almost all the go to titles.
in cib, boxed and cart only genesis is definitely cheaper while still having quality titles. and that's aside from the fact that master system is a bit more pricy in the US than it is from europe.
but legit why would you buy a cheap altered beast on master system vs the superior version on genesis at the same price. I don't see the win here. master system definitely has dollar games, but they are actual trash, with genesis you might actually have a shot at something decent at those prices. I'd even argue your getting better value of cart only snes vs cart only master system since snes is once again also a system with cheap cart only good games.
like seriously if you want to have a good time and systems for affordable games in 2d era
it's nes, snes and genesis.
I would only include master system if you don't mind mostly filler titles, the above 3 systems have both filler and actual good stuff for cheap.
Around me master system is definitely cheaper if you can find them but this is just my opinion.
It's ok if you disagree but you don't have to reply with a six paragraph rebuttal.
have you checked price charting? Price charting ain't the rule. Deals for both master system and genesis can be found for lower or higher but still It's a guide line overall.
Also It's kinda hard to deny that even the console is far more expensive than both the snes and genesis. almost twice the price even the model 2
And with cheap games such as the 6pak, sonic classics alladin vectorman altered beast on genesis as some examples.
like seriously what's so cheap about the master system that can compete with that aside from the high entry price by needing a master system console.
https://www.pricecharting.com/game/sega-master-system/sega-master-system-ii-console#completed-auctions-used
a model 2 genesis can be found for 20ish a master system console at 20ish is not happening unless it's a really nice deal.
https://www.pricecharting.com/game/sega-genesis/sega-genesis-model-2-console?q=sega+genesis+model+2
even a model 1 is only 40ish.
it's usually all 80 90 or 100+ for master system, sure cheaper lots exist, but same can be said for genesis plus even cheaper.
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My opinion... strictly my opinion
I’d start with Dreamcast. Most of the really good games are really common. Yeah, there’s expensive stuff, but those arcade style games are pretty affordable. Soul Calibur, Hydro Thunder, Crazy Taxi; these are all really common but great games.
My favorites on Genesis are stupid high. That’s why I don’t think it’s the best to start with. Castlevania, Contra, Gunstar Heroes, and TMNT are all expensive games. Emulate them or get a Genesis Mini.
Agreed that would be a excellent place to start you could concentrate on the cheeper stuff first then if you want gradually get the more expensive stuff.In my opinion the Dreamcast is the best sega console anyway.
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My opinion... strictly my opinion
I’d start with Dreamcast. Most of the really good games are really common. Yeah, there’s expensive stuff, but those arcade style games are pretty affordable. Soul Calibur, Hydro Thunder, Crazy Taxi; these are all really common but great games.
My favorites on Genesis are stupid high. That’s why I don’t think it’s the best to start with. Castlevania, Contra, Gunstar Heroes, and TMNT are all expensive games. Emulate them or get a Genesis Mini.
Can't that argument be said for any retro console. I get it everyone wants the sought after games but doesn't dreamcast do the very same thing with those pricy gems such as cannon spike and gigawing.
I'll take dreamcast
my favourites are fatal fury mark of the wolves, marvel vs capcom 2 or project justice or 3rd strike
I'm no expert but all those titles are also really pricy if not close or surpassing those genesis values, most of those genesis examples are 100ish cib same can be said for dreamcast
I'll give dreamcast some props though, in europe at least power stone is a very cheap title less than 20$ cib and that's definitely an S tier game on the system let alone one of the best multiplayer experiences on an old system period and sonic adventure is actually a good 3d sonic game
If where talking say master system same thing
your sought after titles are phantasy star golden axe warrior, ninja gaiden and master of darkness, some of the best titles on the system that any master system owners want but again kinda pricy.
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My opinion... strictly my opinion
I’d start with Dreamcast. Most of the really good games are really common. Yeah, there’s expensive stuff, but those arcade style games are pretty affordable. Soul Calibur, Hydro Thunder, Crazy Taxi; these are all really common but great games.
My favorites on Genesis are stupid high. That’s why I don’t think it’s the best to start with. Castlevania, Contra, Gunstar Heroes, and TMNT are all expensive games. Emulate them or get a Genesis Mini.
Can't that argument be said for any retro console. I get it everyone wants the sought after games but doesn't dreamcast do the very same thing with those pricy gems such as cannon spike and gigawing.
I mean not really - at least depending on your definition of expensive. Those games are generally at least double - if not more - than the price of the best / most popular games on the SNES and NES. The problem with Genesis is that most of the best games are not common like those other consoles. Sure everyone has some favorites that are probably a bit more pricey, but when you get down to brass tax the Mario games are amazing and usually $20 a pop.
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My opinion... strictly my opinion
I’d start with Dreamcast. Most of the really good games are really common. Yeah, there’s expensive stuff, but those arcade style games are pretty affordable. Soul Calibur, Hydro Thunder, Crazy Taxi; these are all really common but great games.
My favorites on Genesis are stupid high. That’s why I don’t think it’s the best to start with. Castlevania, Contra, Gunstar Heroes, and TMNT are all expensive games. Emulate them or get a Genesis Mini.
Can't that argument be said for any retro console. I get it everyone wants the sought after games but doesn't dreamcast do the very same thing with those pricy gems such as cannon spike and gigawing.
I mean not really - at least depending on your definition of expensive. Those games are generally at least double - if not more - than the price of the best / most popular games on the SNES and NES. The problem with Genesis is that most of the best games are not common like those other consoles. Sure everyone has some favorites that are probably a bit more pricey, but when you get down to brass tax the Mario games are amazing and usually $20 a pop.
what about sonic 2 and 3 isn't that the same, or the genesis 6 pak with revenge of shinobi golden axe and streets of rage 1
Also isnt streets of rage II considered to be the best beat em up by many for also 20$ cart only or what about rocket knight again. or what about shinobi III again low 20ish these are definitely top 5 or arguably the best games on the system. you'd be hardpressed to find any top 10 genesis that has zero of these 3 titles.
and if where going to go cib it's even worse
rocket knight shinobi III and streets of rage 2 top 5 games on the system are 50 to 60$ cib. these are some of the most popular games on the system there is no argument for that.
Let's go to zelda or super metroid wich suddenly are 100$+ to almost 200$ for super metroid. I know cardboard is fragile but I'm just saying even common games turn into gold with nintendo. with genesis cib doesnt give a massive price increase naturally. super metroid is a very popular yet it's double the price than most genesis games in cart only format. same price as gunstar heroes or contra hard corps cart only. wich both still ends up way cheaper cib.
contra hardcops and gunstar heroes are 100ish$ cib on genesis all my 4 titles mentioned are in that 100ish cib mark aswell. project justice is 200+ $ and canon spike is 300$
out of those 4 genesis examples none surpass the 200$ mark and half is 100ish
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Like I said, it also depends on your definition of expensive, not to mention my use of the word most, and not the word all.
Plus the Sonic games are not good. I don't care who hears me. :P
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Like I said, it also depends on your definition of expensive, not to mention my use of the word most, and not the word all.
Plus the Sonic games are not good. I don't care who hears me. :P
but you literally mentioned mario world for 20$ and that all the good games on genesis are pricy as hell.
shinobi III rocket knight and streets of rage II have that same price range, let alone the tons of other options.
also sega 6 pack for 10$ 50% the price of mario world: revenge of shinobi alone is one of the best games on the system, sonic 1 streets of rage and golden axe are just a bonus.
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Like I said, it also depends on your definition of expensive, not to mention my use of the word most, and not the word all.
Plus the Sonic games are not good. I don't care who hears me. :P
but your literally mention mario world for 20$
shinobi III rocket knight and streets of rage II have that same price range, let alone the tons of other options.
Yes in the context of most of the good games are more expensive than that, not all of the good games are more expensive. Words have meaning, you know.
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Like I said, it also depends on your definition of expensive, not to mention my use of the word most, and not the word all.
Plus the Sonic games are not good. I don't care who hears me. :P
but your literally mention mario world for 20$
shinobi III rocket knight and streets of rage II have that same price range, let alone the tons of other options.
I mean not really - at least depending on your definition of expensive. Those games are generally at least double - if not more - than the price of the best / most popular games on the SNES and NES. The problem with Genesis is that most of the best games are not common like those other consoles. Sure everyone has some favorites that are probably a bit more pricey, but when you get down to brass tax the Mario games are amazing and usually $20 a pop.
My point is it ain't the case for most games on genesis. snes does a way worse job at that for the good games.
wich Is why I said pretty much all retro consoles have their sought after pricy games that most people won't get
snes, master system dreamcast they all have that very same problem for them premium titles.
like snes does it multiple times worse it's not even funny.
Are people forgetting pocky & rocky demons crest chrono trigger or earthbound
These prices even surpass those 4 mentioned cib as literally lose cardridges. and these 4 games are regularly in top 10 snes lists. These are popular as hell for snes.
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Like I said, it also depends on your definition of expensive, not to mention my use of the word most, and not the word all.
Plus the Sonic games are not good. I don't care who hears me. :P
but your literally mention mario world for 20$
shinobi III rocket knight and streets of rage II have that same price range, let alone the tons of other options.
I mean not really - at least depending on your definition of expensive. Those games are generally at least double - if not more - than the price of the best / most popular games on the SNES and NES. The problem with Genesis is that most of the best games are not common like those other consoles. Sure everyone has some favorites that are probably a bit more pricey, but when you get down to brass tax the Mario games are amazing and usually $20 a pop.
My point is it ain't the case for most games on genesis. snes does a way worse job at that for the good games.
wich Is why I said pretty much all retro consoles have their sought after pricy games that most people won't get
snes, master system dreamcast they all have that very same problem for them premium titles.
like snes does it multiple times worse it's not even funny.
Are people forgetting pocky & rocky demons crest chrono trigger or earthbound
These prices even surpass those 4 mentioned cib as literally lose cardridges. and these 4 games are regularly in top 10 snes lists. These are popular as hell for snes.
Well if your mentioning those snes games you have to use the genesis top expensive games to compare them like Musha,Crusader of Centy,Trouble Shooter,Splaterhouse 3,Streets of Rage 3
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Like I said, it also depends on your definition of expensive, not to mention my use of the word most, and not the word all.
Plus the Sonic games are not good. I don't care who hears me. :P
but your literally mention mario world for 20$
shinobi III rocket knight and streets of rage II have that same price range, let alone the tons of other options.
I mean not really - at least depending on your definition of expensive. Those games are generally at least double - if not more - than the price of the best / most popular games on the SNES and NES. The problem with Genesis is that most of the best games are not common like those other consoles. Sure everyone has some favorites that are probably a bit more pricey, but when you get down to brass tax the Mario games are amazing and usually $20 a pop.
My point is it ain't the case for most games on genesis. snes does a way worse job at that for the good games.
wich Is why I said pretty much all retro consoles have their sought after pricy games that most people won't get
snes, master system dreamcast they all have that very same problem for them premium titles.
like snes does it multiple times worse it's not even funny.
Are people forgetting pocky & rocky demons crest chrono trigger or earthbound
These prices even surpass those 4 mentioned cib as literally lose cardridges. and these 4 games are regularly in top 10 snes lists. These are popular as hell for snes.
Well if your mentioning those snes games you have to use the genesis top expensive games to compare them like Musha,Crusader of Centy,Trouble Shooter,Splaterhouse 3,Streets of Rage 3
Hagane, wild guns, pocky & rocky 2 final fight 3, metal warriors, ninja warriors evo. megaman 7 and megaman x3, having megaman in the name alone makes it even mainstream sought after. tons of megaman collectors out there, and unlike wily wars the games are actually good.
eitherway I was mentioning the top 10 games on the system none of your examples are usually top 10 on genesis not even musha. these are niche or lesser options. amazing games don't get me wrong but not the very best most popular games on the system
splatter house 2 and streets of rage 2 and lightning force are better.
streets of rage 3 is the black sheep in the series with bad music, splatter house 3 ain't as great with the swap up in gameplay compared to 2.
trouble shooter is nice but really niche I've rarely seen anyone but the really hardcore shootemup fans talk about that title not to mention that most people talk about the japan only part 2 instead wich is way better. still fairly cheap compared to most pricy snes titles that surpass it as cart only
meanwhile demons crest earthbound and especially chrono trigger are absolute favourites by many. Cartagia did mention the most popular games on the system after all. chrono trigger is even considered to be the best rpg of all times by many. the hype for chrono trigger and earthbound is ridiculous none of those sega examples are that popular. yes they are sought after but you could kinda compare them to the more niche options such as hagane or wild guns on snes or whack series like keio flying squadron mr gimmick nes. sure every collectors knows about them and they are worth much but these are not your first picks. you could also mention alien soldier for sega, but again it's such a niche game compared to majority of the pricy snes games.
snes has legitmate examples of top tier games that are the most popular that are out of reach. far worse than genesis. aside from those 4 examples those super pricy games that you mentioned are far less popular.
Contra hard corps pricy? snes version is only 10$ less cart only yet more pricy as cib
hyperstone heist same story compared to turtles in time
Like only castlevania is a bit more pricy on genesis
and it's not like super metroid is literally the same price cart only and cib far higher in price than gunstar heroes.
even common games such as zelda a link to the past cib are the same price as the supposedly pricy as hell games that are contra hard corps and gunstar heroes in cib condition.
Only thing I'm saying is that snes has both niche but actual top 10 material or higher mainstream games that aren't niche that are some of the most pricy games on the system. almost all those sega examples have better versions with earlier parts or are less known. musha is the only comes close to maybe being one of the more popular games but even than it's not even the best shoot emup option on genesis and it's more in the same league as amazing lesser picked titles such as wild guns and hagane.
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Semantic circle-jerking aside, why has no one not simply recommended a Sega Genesis Mini or one of the AtGames Genesis clones with built in games? :P
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I could keep mentioning sega games I have close to 40 in my collection in the 90$+ range and their are lots more that im looking for.And the games I listed are great games imo definitely not black sheep and are very sought after in my circles.But I do agree cib snes are very expensive.
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Semantic circle-jerking aside, why has no one not simply recommended a Sega Genesis Mini or one of the AtGames Genesis clones with built in games? :P
I think it's for collection purposes
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Semantic circle-jerking aside, why has no one not simply recommended a Sega Genesis Mini or one of the AtGames Genesis clones with built in games? :P
Good call.
But I'd steer clear of At Games, terrible quality. Stick with the Genesis Mini. Or even cheaper, if you have have a console from this generation get the Sega Genesis Collection, or get the Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection from last-gen.
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Semantic circle-jerking aside, why has no one not simply recommended a Sega Genesis Mini or one of the AtGames Genesis clones with built in games? :P
Do you not even read my posts, bro?!
Emulate them or get a Genesis Mini.
Sorry. I just wanted to join the pointless walls of text arguing about stuff that no one even brings up.
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CIB snes is indeed expensive thing is those examples are well over 90$ as even cart only to hundreds of $ usually surpassing even sega's most pricy games in cib format.
90$ sega titles 99 out of 100 times are all cib. even more common snes games in cib cardboard format are over 90$
those snes picks are more popular and recognizable than sega all I'm saying it's no suprise considering that allot of snes grails literally are series that exist today with megaman harvest moon or say dracula x, or capcom series such as final fight 3 demons crest wich still make tons of games today. let alone that sega has no examples that come close in terms of the popularity such as earthbound or chrono trigger that are locked behind having crazy prices. musha is nice and all but if your not a hardcore shootemup guy it's easy to miss. chrono trigger is an rpg that might even appeal to people who usually don't like rpg's.
back on topic,
why buy a mini console. just get an everdrive instead. cheaper and more content, at the end of the day most people emulate their mini console anyway what's the difference.
everdrive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mini console
sega has been making mini consoles 10+ years. same for atari these things existed way before nintendo ever started with the nes mini. They where usually just seen as bargain bin filler material by the masses, It's just an excuse to get a mini console wich at the time had bad sound especially for sega instead of just emulation
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Sorry I was Bored and on vacation with nothing to do but bicker about games.Didn't mean to get carried away lol.
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back on topic,
why buy a mini console. just get an everdrive instead. cheaper and more content, at the end of the day most people emulate their mini console anyway what's the difference.
No they don't. While we as collectors really got hard-ons for the mini-consoles the majority of them (after the original NES Mini Debacle) went to Joe Regular Guy who has no idea what emulation is, let alone how to do it. My sister went out of her way to buy one of the Nintendo minis and she owns literally no other gaming memorabilia of any kind. I know more people who are not into gaming who own a mini console than I do fellow gamers, for the exact reason you stated. Emulation is generally superior - if you know what you are doing.
Semantic circle-jerking aside, why has no one not simply recommended a Sega Genesis Mini or one of the AtGames Genesis clones with built in games? :P
As mentioned, if I can interpret the OP correctly (and really, who knows at this point with them), its not a question of "How can I play SEGA games?" but "What SEGA stuff should I collect?"
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back on topic,
why buy a mini console. just get an everdrive instead. cheaper and more content, at the end of the day most people emulate their mini console anyway what's the difference.
No they don't. While we as collectors really got hard-ons for the mini-consoles the majority of them (after the original NES Mini Debacle) went to Joe Regular Guy who has no idea what emulation is, let alone how to do it. My sister went out of her way to buy one of the Nintendo minis and she owns literally no other gaming memorabilia of any kind. I know more people who are not into gaming who own a mini console than I do fellow gamers, for the exact reason you stated. Emulation is generally superior - if you know what you are doing.
The OP isn't a regular joe though my guess at least.
Anyone who is somewhat into retro game collecting usually knows at least a bit about emulation. especially 16 bit and down is quite accessible.
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back on topic,
why buy a mini console. just get an everdrive instead. cheaper and more content, at the end of the day most people emulate their mini console anyway what's the difference.
No they don't. [...]
The OP isn't a regular joe though my guess at least.
That's not what was being talked about.
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back on topic,
why buy a mini console. just get an everdrive instead. cheaper and more content, at the end of the day most people emulate their mini console anyway what's the difference.
No they don't. [...]
The OP isn't a regular joe though my guess at least.
That's not what was being talked about.
I meant collectors or gamers who bought them, my mistake there, where in a game collecting forum after all
Obviously if some average guy bought it for nostalgia emulation will probably not happen,
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Do you not even read my posts, bro?!
Emulate them or get a Genesis Mini.
Sorry. I just wanted to join the pointless walls of text arguing about stuff that no one even brings up.
I'll be honest, I skimmed through most of the responses, especially after semantic circle-jerk started. :P
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Sure you should get yourself at least an original console of each but if you truly want the best way to play everything Sega without spending thousands of dollars, you can do the following:
• Buy Analogue Mega SG and pair it with a TerraOnion MegaSD (plus Analogue adapter set)
- Plays Sega Card, Master System, Genesis, and Sega CD games
• Buy Sega Saturn with a Retrotink RAD2X cable (for RGB to HDMI) and pair it with a TerraOnion MODE
• Buy Sega Dreamcast with the DCDigital mod (for crispy HDMI output) and pair it with a TerraOnion MODE
This gives you the entire Sega library available at your fingertips all on fPGA hardware (so no software emulation) and you can play to your heart's content. Of course this doesn't preclude you from buying the actual games. If there are certain games you want to start with, you totally can!
As for some of the other ideas mentioned above, the Sega Genesis mini is pretty nicely well made considering it's development is by M2; they're masters so you can't go wrong there. It's a great collector's piece. The ATGames systems previously are total junk. Not even worth buying to include in a collection.
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