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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: slothingXPIG on December 31, 2012, 02:54:08 am
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Okay,i was always more of a nintendo fan soo i don't know a hole lot about the dreamcast... like how good is the system? is there fun games on it? How often do the controllers/system break... i know there not that expensive but im cheap and want some opinoins on it, if i were to buy one. I been wanting one but don't have allota room and would rather have more games then systems but i have been thinking about getting one.
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It is a highly regarded system. Even though it doesn't mean much PCMag listed it as the best console ever at one point. http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,3253,l=251235&a=251237&po=10,00.asp?p=n
The retro popularity of the system is a double edged sword as the dreamcast can be tough to shop for because a lot of people don't get rid of their dreamcast games. It also appeals to a certain demographic. The system was basically a home version of the naomi arcade board. Thus, you get a lot of late 90s arcade games. A lot of fighters and shmups are on the system. But it also had a lot of just weird games you won't find made very often (seaman, space channel 5, crazy taxi, shenmue). The best thing to do is probably watch some videos and such and see if it appeals to you. Most systems have its own personality and this is probably more true with the dreamcast more than any other system (except maybe neo geo).
Controllers are very durable. VMUs are awesome! The D-pad hurts your thumb on street fighter.
Here are some suggestions on where to start:
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sega/dreamcast/games-that-defined-dreamcast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBweijbvR_4
http://www.youtube.com/channel/SWfPzLT90pCJs
If you have more questions, just post away.
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Oh, I wanted to add that it is very easy to find games for the dreamcast online. However, I have had a really tough time finding good quality games in the wild. There are way too many NFL 2k games out there. It's a good sports game, but my god, they are everywhere...
However, ebay and estarland have several games if you don't mind going that route.
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Thanks! Honestly the controllers look awesome lol soo creative. But anyway that does look pretty good and thanks for the answer. Ill have my game dealer send me up one hopefully he has some games for it. I think another problem i had was that it was a disk consule and i personally don't find collecting interest in disks for some reason.. but i'll give it a try and hopefully it'll change my mind on disk game collecting.
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I would recommend getting one. They can be quite fun. A lot of good games for it.
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I bought one a year or so ago. It has some really fun games that you can play for 15 min and move one. It's very Arcade-y. I play tons of Soul Calibur (Thank you, Matt), Hydro Thunder, Tony Hawk Pro Skater, Street Fighter Alpha 3, and Sega Bass Fishing.
It has tons of great games. I just tend to lean towards the quick play stuff. It's the trouble of having a 3 year old that wants to play all the time.
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Thanks! Honestly the controllers look awesome lol soo creative. But anyway that does look pretty good and thanks for the answer. Ill have my game dealer send me up one hopefully he has some games for it. I think another problem i had was that it was a disk consule and i personally don't find collecting interest in disks for some reason.. but i'll give it a try and hopefully it'll change my mind on disk game collecting.
Good topic!
I've never had/played a Dreamcast yet, either -and- had wondered about some of the same questions myself.
While we're at it...Does it have any *Exclusive* "Must-Have" RPG's / SRPG's?
"Exclusive", meaning that if it has a GC release (like Skies of Arcadia); don't list/include it :)
Thanks ;)
Also, from what I've seen of the controller, it looks very 'Un-friendly' for 1-handed gameplay...are there "better" configured/3rd-party controllers that are compatible w/ it that might be any better/more comfortable?
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I do like the DC, but I find it hard to get enthusiastic about these days. It's a combination of playing the heck out of it at the time and a lot of the really good stuff now being available elsewhere. It's a good console but if you were after a Sega experience I'd recommend a Mega Drive or Saturn first.
disgaeniac - There's EGG and Record of Lodoss War if you're looking at English DC RPGs. There are some more Japanese ones, but not a fat lot.
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I do like the DC, but I find it hard to get enthusiastic about these days. It's a combination of playing the heck out of it at the time and a lot of the really good stuff now being available elsewhere. It's a good console but if you were after a Sega experience I'd recommend a Mega Drive or Saturn first.
disgaeniac - There's EGG and Record of Lodoss War if you're looking at English DC RPGs. There are some more Japanese ones, but not a fat lot.
That's what I thought - that it was kind of weak on the RPG-front...
How were your Holidays?!
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Oh I should have said there are other English DC RPGs but as you asked for honest-to-goodness exclusives that's about as good as it gets from what I can remember.
Had a good holiday thank you :)
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Great system that's fairly easy to collect for with a great library of games. If you're in the U.S., the games are usually fairly cheap to get a hold of, too. And for multiplatform games in the N64/Dreamcast/PS1 era, Dreamcast usually has the best version.
Some great Dreamcast recommendations for you:
Exclusives:
-Crazy Taxi 1 & 2
-Daytona USA (Dreamcast version has enhanced graphics and more tracks than the Saturn version)
-Dead or Alive 2
-Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm
-Elemental Gimmick Gear
-House of the Dead 2
-Maken X
-Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of the Super Heroes
-Metropolis Street Racer
-The Record of Lodoss War
-Sega Smash Pack (includes Phantasy Star games)
-Shenmue
-Soul Calibur
-Street Fighter III
-Sword of Berzerk: Guts' Rage
Multiplats:
-Dino Crisis
-Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
-Mortal Kombat 4
-San Francisco: Rush
-Skies of Arcadia
-Sonic Adventure
-Spider-Man
-Resident Evil 2 & 3
-Resident Evil: Code Veronica
-Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
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Some great Dreamcast recommendations for you:
Exclusives:
-Crazy Taxi 1 & 2 Crazy Taxi: Fare Wars (PSP)
-Daytona USA (Dreamcast version has enhanced graphics and more tracks than the Saturn version) PSN/XBLA version has enhanced enhanced graphics+extras
-Dead or Alive 2 Also on PS2
-Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm
-Elemental Gimmick Gear
-House of the Dead 2 Wii/PC
-Maken X
-Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of the Super Heroes PS1
-Metropolis Street Racer
-The Record of Lodoss War
-Sega Smash Pack (includes Phantasy Star games) the whole point of this compilation is that it's a collection of other Sega titles
-Shenmue
-Soul Calibur XBLA
-Street Fighter III You should probably specify that you're talking about Double Impact, rather than Third Strike (AKA the SF3 everyone wants to play)
-Sword of Berzerk: Guts' Rage
Don't mean to be picky, but it's misleading to claim exclusive when you can play them elsewhere.
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Some great Dreamcast recommendations for you:
Exclusives:
-Crazy Taxi 1 & 2 Crazy Taxi: Fare Wars (PSP)
-Daytona USA (Dreamcast version has enhanced graphics and more tracks than the Saturn version) PSN/XBLA version has enhanced enhanced graphics+extras
-Dead or Alive 2 Also on PS2
-Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm
-Elemental Gimmick Gear
-House of the Dead 2 Wii/PC
-Maken X
-Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of the Super Heroes PS1
-Metropolis Street Racer
-The Record of Lodoss War
-Sega Smash Pack (includes Phantasy Star games) the whole point of this compilation is that it's a collection of other Sega titles
-Shenmue
-Soul Calibur XBLA
-Street Fighter III You should probably specify that you're talking about Double Impact, rather than Third Strike (AKA the SF3 everyone wants to play)
-Sword of Berzerk: Guts' Rage
Don't mean to be picky, but it's misleading to claim exclusive when you can play them elsewhere.
I'm pretty sure that there's PS2 & GC versions of Crazy Taxi, too...
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Im going to be the voice on the other end. The Dreamcast ties with the N64 for the worst normal game console system in my opinion (by normal, I mean from the NES til now. Of course its better than crap like pong and stuff like the Commodore 64). The library is full of mediocre games (RPG options are a joke) and the controllers are absolutely horrendous. I hear that it has bonuses like it can read CD-Rs and totally modifyable ... but you cant really polish a turd!
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Some great Dreamcast recommendations for you:
Exclusives:
-Crazy Taxi 1 & 2 Crazy Taxi: Fare Wars (PSP)
-Daytona USA (Dreamcast version has enhanced graphics and more tracks than the Saturn version) PSN/XBLA version has enhanced enhanced graphics+extras
-Dead or Alive 2 Also on PS2
-Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm
-Elemental Gimmick Gear
-House of the Dead 2 Wii/PC
-Maken X
-Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of the Super Heroes PS1
-Metropolis Street Racer
-The Record of Lodoss War
-Sega Smash Pack (includes Phantasy Star games) the whole point of this compilation is that it's a collection of other Sega titles
-Shenmue
-Soul Calibur XBLA
-Street Fighter III You should probably specify that you're talking about Double Impact, rather than Third Strike (AKA the SF3 everyone wants to play)
-Sword of Berzerk: Guts' Rage
Don't mean to be picky, but it's misleading to claim exclusive when you can play them elsewhere.
I'm pretty sure that there's PS2 & GC versions of Crazy Taxi, too...
there are but I'm pretty sure only the Dreamcast version has The Offspring on it's soundtrack, which makes it the version to get.
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Some great Dreamcast recommendations for you:
Exclusives:
-Crazy Taxi 1 & 2 Crazy Taxi: Fare Wars (PSP)
-Daytona USA (Dreamcast version has enhanced graphics and more tracks than the Saturn version) PSN/XBLA version has enhanced enhanced graphics+extras
-Dead or Alive 2 Also on PS2
-Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm
-Elemental Gimmick Gear
-House of the Dead 2 Wii/PC
-Maken X
-Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of the Super Heroes PS1
-Metropolis Street Racer
-The Record of Lodoss War
-Sega Smash Pack (includes Phantasy Star games) the whole point of this compilation is that it's a collection of other Sega titles
-Shenmue
-Soul Calibur XBLA
-Street Fighter III You should probably specify that you're talking about Double Impact, rather than Third Strike (AKA the SF3 everyone wants to play)
-Sword of Berzerk: Guts' Rage
Don't mean to be picky, but it's misleading to claim exclusive when you can play them elsewhere.
I'm pretty sure that there's PS2 & GC versions of Crazy Taxi, too...
there are but I'm pretty sure only the Dreamcast version has The Offspring on it's soundtrack, which makes it the version to get.
Huh - I didn't know that!
Still, that would just make it a recommended/preferred version instead of an "exclusive" game...
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Some great Dreamcast recommendations for you:
Exclusives:
-Crazy Taxi 1 & 2 Crazy Taxi: Fare Wars (PSP)
-Daytona USA (Dreamcast version has enhanced graphics and more tracks than the Saturn version) PSN/XBLA version has enhanced enhanced graphics+extras
-Dead or Alive 2 Also on PS2
-Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm
-Elemental Gimmick Gear
-House of the Dead 2 Wii/PC
-Maken X
-Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of the Super Heroes PS1
-Metropolis Street Racer
-The Record of Lodoss War
-Sega Smash Pack (includes Phantasy Star games) the whole point of this compilation is that it's a collection of other Sega titles
-Shenmue
-Soul Calibur XBLA
-Street Fighter III You should probably specify that you're talking about Double Impact, rather than Third Strike (AKA the SF3 everyone wants to play)
-Sword of Berzerk: Guts' Rage
Don't mean to be picky, but it's misleading to claim exclusive when you can play them elsewhere.
I'm pretty sure that there's PS2 & GC versions of Crazy Taxi, too...
there are but I'm pretty sure only the Dreamcast version has The Offspring on it's soundtrack, which makes it the version to get.
Huh - I didn't know that!
Still, that would just make it a recommended/preferred version instead of an "exclusive" game...
I just looked at the gamecube version and it does say it has the offspring. Sorry about the misinformation. It's actually the XBLA/PSN version without the original soundtrack
also I'd like to add to exclusives
Heavy Metal Geomatrix
Typing of the Dead
Canon Spike
Blue Stinger(bad voice acting makes it)
Giga Wing 2
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Typing of the Dead's also on PC, MAC and PS2. There's also a (very cool) similar DS game with handwriting recognition! - http://kimimisblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/english-of-dead.html
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Im going to be the voice on the other end. The Dreamcast ties with the N64 for the worst normal game console system in my opinion (by normal, I mean from the NES til now. Of course its better than crap like pong and stuff like the Commodore 64). The library is full of mediocre games (RPG options are a joke) and the controllers are absolutely horrendous. I hear that it has bonuses like it can read CD-Rs and totally modifyable ... but you cant really polish a turd!
I think a lot of people will have the same opinion. That is why I would suggest researching very well (if possible playing one before the OP tries it). I believe the above is a very valid opinion.
If you like RPGs, the dreamcast is not your console (although it has shenmue which I consider the best). If you like adventure games, you can do better. If you like platformers the dreamcast is not your system. If you like racing games, you've got a few great options and a LOT of mediocre games. However, the dreamcast is HEAVILY loved by people who like the late 90s arcade genre. The dreamcast has a lot of ports from the naomi architecture from that time. If you like SEGA and Capcom arcade games, the DC is a good system. Both companies seemed to believe in and love the system.
For me, I also really like that it has some decent ports from the 32-bit era with playable graphics. I personally hate the PSOne, Saturn, and N64. The Saturn has a few gems, N64 has about 10-15 games I would actually play, and the PSOne only has the SQuare RPGs that interest me. In my view, the N64, SS, and PSone were way too underpowered for 3D. I remember thinking that at the time as well. The N64 did 3D decently enough (game design was horrible). The SS did 2D well, however this was becoming a 3D era. And the PSOne, in my opinion, did neither 2D or 3D very well. The DC was refreshing in that it did 2D very well and 3d at least competently enough. Also, during this time, I played most current games in the arcades. Thus, to experience games and nostalgia from the late 90s, the dreamcast is about the only option for me.
Ultimately, it comes down to personal taste and whether that jives with the system's personality. Try it out, if possible, before buying. Don't pay more that 35-40 for the system, and you should be able to resell with no problem or loss.
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crap like pong
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/Fenrir_Knight/OpoQQ.jpg)
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My bad on the Crazy Taxi entries, I knew better. And yeah, I meant Double Impact on SFIII.
The other ones I didn't, though. I thought those were exclusives.
Nonetheless, I don't think that affects my point at all. The Dreamcast is still a great system with a good number of great exclusives.
And I really should have remembered the Giga Wing games.
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I was a nintendo fanboy for the longest time, and got a dreamcast a few years ago and forgive me but I wasnt very impressed. To me the only good games for it are 2D games with a few exceptions... Jet Grind Radio, Sonic Adventure which doesnt hold up that well. Personally, I've been a lot more impressed with the Saturn. Dont get me wrong both systems are VERY VERY similar in terms of the types of games but I prefer the Saturn
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Ok well saturn does look good too. Im not big into collecting newer stuff and dreamcast is pretty new for me... whats better to everyone? Dreamcast or saturn? Or maybe mega drive? Saturn seems more interesting to me
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Ok well saturn does look good too. Im not big into collecting newer stuff and dreamcast is pretty new for me... whats better to everyone? Dreamcast or saturn? Or maybe mega drive? Saturn seems more interesting to me
I would pick the one that is most interesting to you.
Looking at your collection though, I would go mega drive. Where do you live? AUS, UK... Both of these have a very good selection of mega drive games. Last time I was in the UK there was a lot of mega drive stuff at various cash converters, but Saturn merch was difficult to find. Mega Drive is cheap, plentiful, and very fun. Plus, you stated that you like collecting cartridges over CDs.
My take on the Saturn is... if you don't like the dreamcast, you won't like the Saturn. Although this is not 100%, the systems are very similar.
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I would recommend Mega Drive as it's going to be relatively cheap and easy to find good games. The Saturn is personally my favourite, but as I import almost all my games my view of the console isn't the same as a lot of other peoples.
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I wouldnt go exactly for a certain system but a style of game that a system supports. I prefer the PS1 over almost every other system cause they were a huge jrpg supporter. Any jrpg at the time that was out on almost any system made it onto the PS1 and a tons of new ones. I dont collect systems just to have. The only ones I have atm are SMS (my first system. Miracle Warriors and Golden Axe Warrior exclusives), NES (Destiny of an Emperor exclusive and origins of FF and DW) SNES (Super Metroid and Zelda Link to the past as well as Tecmo Secret of the stars exclusive) PS1 (Already mentioned!) PS2 (DQVIII exclusive and Baldur's gate/Champions of norrath line) PS3 (originally bought as a blu-ray player that also plays all the god of war games but cant wait for ni no kuni!) Gamecube (GBA player that lets me play any gameboy games on a tv) and a Wii (Virtual console that has Turbo Grafx Ys I&II among other games).
I have seen other systems but I dont get them cause I honestly have no use for them. I gave my kids an N64 cause I dont like it and a Genesis cause I cant honestly think of an exclusive game on there I like in order to keep it (All the PS games are on compiliations as is Sword of Vermillion. I cant afford to own Crusder of Centy). I traded my Dreamcast for a couple of posters.
Hope I didnt post too much in this response, just wanting to show you how I think. I also dont bother with Japanese systems cause I cant read them. :)
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If you're in the US, before you buy/start collecting for a Saturn...check-out the prices that the games for it sell for...it will *Not* be a cheap library to fill :P
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If you're after RPGs then you're right (but even then games like Legend of Oasis and Shining Wisdom aren't too expensive) but on the whole the expense of the Saturn library is rather overstated - people look at Panzer Dragoon Saga and Radiant Silvergun then here someone mention Heim Waltz and decide that all games must be around the same price. It's a bit like calling the N64 expensive to collect for because the 64DD exists.
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Ok well saturn does look good too. Im not big into collecting newer stuff and dreamcast is pretty new for me... whats better to everyone? Dreamcast or saturn? Or maybe mega drive? Saturn seems more interesting to me
The biggest difference between the two systems as a collector (other than graphics, of course) is the price of games. The average good Saturn game is usually gonna cost you at least $20 or more, nowadays. And some of the more sought after ones can cost you $50 or more.
Dreamcast, on the other hand, is a much cheaper system to collect for. Other than the Genesis, it's the cheapest Sega system to collect for (in the U.S. at least). There are tons of cheap good games to get for it.
However if you have the money to blow, the Saturn has a lot more exclusive experiences that still have yet to be re-released.
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If you're after RPGs then you're right (but even then games like Legend of Oasis and Shining Wisdom aren't too expensive) but on the whole the expense of the Saturn library is rather overstated - people look at Panzer Dragoon Saga and Radiant Silvergun then here someone mention Heim Waltz and decide that all games must be around the same price. It's a bit like calling the N64 expensive to collect for because the 64DD exists.
Speaking of, Kimimi -
What are your thoughts about Magic Knight Raynearth(sp?)?
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there are but I'm pretty sure only the Dreamcast version has The Offspring on it's soundtrack, which makes it the version to get.
Unless you hate The Offspring. Ahem.
I would suggest getting Grandia II for the system. Yes it has a PS2 port but it has tons of slowdown. And there's a PC version but it's kinda sucky.
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What are your thoughts about Magic Knight Rayearth(sp?)?
Fixed the spelling for you. And my comments on it. Its an awesome game. It is the last game from my past that I have yet to recover cause I really cant see me paying for a Saturn and the game again. But for a while, it was the only game I played. Really fun and interesting. And unlike some games that use characters outside of the gaming world, you do not have to know a thing about the 3 girls in order to get really in depth into the game. If you have a Saturn and can play the game, I seriously suggest trying it out.
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What are your thoughts about Magic Knight Rayearth(sp?)?
Fixed the spelling for you. And my comments on it. Its an awesome game. It is the last game from my past that I have yet to recover cause I really cant see me paying for a Saturn and the game again. But for a while, it was the only game I played. Really fun and interesting. And unlike some games that use characters outside of the gaming world, you do not have to know a thing about the 3 girls in order to get really in depth into the game. If you have a Saturn and can play the game, I seriously suggest trying it out.
Unfortunately, I don't have either one (a Saturn *OR* the game) - but it's always looked like it would be something that I'd like ;D
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I own Magic Knight Rayearth but I've not played it yet. I have finished the first MKR Game Gear game though, not that that information is of any use to anyone :D
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Personally I really like the Saturn and have no interest in the Dreamcast at all.
I'm also collecting the library of games for it too, and it can be very expensive, but there are some really good games for it that don't hit the $20 range. The biggest problem with collecting Saturn games is the cases though. If you're like me and NEED complete copies you'll be dealing with a lot of broken cases. These things aren't sturdy and most of the time you'll end up with them missing a hinge piece or a few large cracks in them. And its not like you can go buy replacements at Staples, since they had to use some off the wall, oddball jewel cases.
But, There are a lot of gems on the Saturn and it's a real blast to play. Plus with an Action Replay you can play imports w/o the need for moding the system. Which opens up a whole other world of games that were only released in Japan, thanks to the system's short lifespan. And some of those games are a lot cheaper than their NA counterparts. Of course some of the more popular Japanese only titles are still pretty spendy too (Radiant Silvergun, Batsagun...)
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I own Magic Knight Rayearth but I've not played it yet. I have finished the first MKR Game Gear game though, not that that information is of any use to anyone :D
Any plans on playing it?
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Oh yes definitely, I'm just not sure when I'll get around to it!
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Oh yes definitely, I'm just not sure when I'll get around to it!
When you get to it (and if you do a write-up for it on your blog)...let me know - I'd be interested in reading that!
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I bought a Dreamcast when it was still new and I played the heck out of it. My favorite game for the system is Crazy Taxi!
Now I very rarely play it and the last game I played was Samba De Amigo when I bought maracaas for it and the system only stayed hooked up for about an hour before going back on the shelf.
Part of what has killed my interest in the system is the fact that it is very easy to pirate games for it. I loved downloading, burning and trying the games at the time but now it has made me not buy games for it because I have played all the games for it. If you are wanting to try a game before you buy it this is a great way to see what you think of it before you shell out the money.
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Oh yes definitely, I'm just not sure when I'll get around to it!
When you get to it (and if you do a write-up for it on your blog)...let me know - I'd be interested in reading that!
It won't go up on the blog as it had an English release, but I'll definitely let you know what I think of it when I give it a go :)
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Oh yes definitely, I'm just not sure when I'll get around to it!
When you get to it (and if you do a write-up for it on your blog)...let me know - I'd be interested in reading that!
It won't go up on the blog as it had an English release, but I'll definitely let you know what I think of it when I give it a go :)
Sounds good :)
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Oh yes definitely, I'm just not sure when I'll get around to it!
When you get to it (and if you do a write-up for it on your blog)...let me know - I'd be interested in reading that!
It won't go up on the blog as it had an English release, but I'll definitely let you know what I think of it when I give it a go :)
Blog???
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Oh yes definitely, I'm just not sure when I'll get around to it!
When you get to it (and if you do a write-up for it on your blog)...let me know - I'd be interested in reading that!
It won't go up on the blog as it had an English release, but I'll definitely let you know what I think of it when I give it a go :)
Blog???
http://kimimisblog.blogspot.com/p/about-blog.html
Yep - check-out her blog here...I like it ;)
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Hehe yeah I've got a blog :)
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Hehe yeah I've got a blog :)
AND...
...*Promoters* ;)
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Thank you! :D
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Looks great! Nice work!
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That's great, glad you like it!
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Very well written Kimmi, I liked the genre breakdown.
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I'm sure I say it too often, but I am genuinely pleased to hear it when people like my blog - thank you!
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Chu Chu Rocket is a good time, especially multiplayer.