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Title: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: andrew on September 08, 2011, 01:20:17 am
I have never played any games in this series, and I'm looking at getting into it. The Wikipedia page had a lot of Shin Megami Tensei games listed, so I'm wondering where to begin? What are your favorites?

Also, I'm thinking about getting Devil Survivor Overclocked for the 3DS, but I'm not sure if it follows the story line form any previous games. Advice?
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on September 08, 2011, 02:13:08 am
I love the SMT series (and the other games made by the same people)... but there are definitely a heck of a lot of them...  I've preordered Persona 2 for the PSP and have been going back and forth about getting Overclocked (I already have the original Devil Survivor).

I happened to start with Digital Devil Saga and was blown away.  Forgot about the series until Persona 3 FES came out and was immediately hooked after that.

To answer your wonderings about Devil Survivor, I think it's its in it's own world separate from the others, but they all share a lot of similar elements.

For reference, my SMT games owned/played (will be easier once we get those folders going in our collections!):
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon - Raiho Special Edition
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 FES
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 Portable
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4
Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey

I'm definitely interested in what other folks think!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: monochrome on September 08, 2011, 03:57:52 am
I've only played Persona 3/P3 FES and Persona 4, but Persona 3 is one of my top 5 favorite RPGs I've ever played.  Oh Aigis.. *swoon*
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on September 08, 2011, 02:29:01 pm
I'm collecting the Megami Tensei games, so I'm very willing to answer any questions I can about them (have done lots of research).  The first game released in the U.S. in the series was actually Jack Bros. for the Virtual Boy, which was just a spin-off game (to put it in FF terms, think spin-off like Chocobo's Tales).

Basically, the games can be played in any order. Again, think FF (the games aren't that similar, just know people are familiar with how they work) and how you can play FF6 without playing FF4 or FF5...each one has different protagonists even though they all take place in the same or similar universes.

Specifically on Devil Survivor: Overclocked, it's a remake of Devil Survivor for the DS (lots of extra voice acting and an extra day, I'm not through it yet) but the game was the first in it's branch of the SMT games.

I would honestly suggest starting with at least SMT games. Going back and playing the Megami Tensei games (Japan-only releases, btw) is like playing Grand Theft Auto 1...fans get something out of it but if you aren't a fan, the lack of polish might turn you off of the whole series.

I really loved Persona 3 and that's what got me into collecting them, but Digital Devil Saga, Devil Summoner, or Devil Survivor are fine places to start too. I would not personally start with Strange Journey since it's got a Sci-Fi element that the other games don't have and doesn't really show you what the series has to offer.

Let me know if there's anything I can clarify or help with!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on September 08, 2011, 02:50:20 pm
This is some good info! I was also interested in trying some of these. I've also heard from others that Persona 3 is a good jumping point.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: darko on September 08, 2011, 03:02:24 pm
I'd recommend starting with Nocturne if you want to get a good feel for the SMT world. My favorite title is either Nocturne or Persona 4. My first experience with SMT was Digital Devil Saga. It's awesome but you would have to buy both of them to complete the story.

I have all of the US released SMT games besides Catherine, Persona 1, and Devil Survivor Overclocked (since I already own the DS release). All of them are great IMO.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on September 08, 2011, 04:24:42 pm
Glad to hear others are collecting SMT games too...I guess I figured I was the only one! Although darko, I think you have more than I do!

And Catherine is NOT an SMT (but has a few of the same development groups), so you can mark that one off your list. :)
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: andrew on September 08, 2011, 06:41:56 pm
All of these responses have been extremely helpful!

I will likely start with the Devil Survivor Overclocked since I'm really digging my 3DS right now. Then I will definitely go with all of the recommendations (Nocturne, Digital Devil Survivor, and Persona 3 & 4). I'm really looking forward to this now!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on September 08, 2011, 07:29:32 pm
And Catherine is NOT an SMT (but has a few of the same development groups), so you can mark that one off your list. :)

Yep, that's why I didn't include it on my list of SMT games :)  ... but a fun one nonetheless!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on September 08, 2011, 07:32:38 pm
I would not personally start with Strange Journey since it's got a Sci-Fi element that the other games don't have and doesn't really show you what the series has to offer.

I agree... also, in some ways it's definitely not as forgiving difficulty-wise, which could be a turn-off.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on September 08, 2011, 07:39:06 pm
I think Persona 3 (I'd recommend the Playstation 2 version, not the PSP port) is perhaps my favorite.  People love Nocturne, but I haven't played it enough to give a good opinion; however, it did remind me a lot of Digital Devil Saga.  Persona 4 is also good, but I just preferred the characters and story in Persona 3 more for some reason (the glasses in 4 kinda bug me... idk why).
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: darko on September 09, 2011, 11:44:08 am
And Catherine is NOT an SMT (but has a few of the same development groups), so you can mark that one off your list. :)


You're right. My bad.

I will likely start with the Devil Survivor Overclocked since I'm really digging my 3DS right now. Then I will definitely go with all of the recommendations (Nocturne, Digital Devil Survivor, and Persona 3 & 4). I'm really looking forward to this now!


If you're going to buy Persona 3 for the PS2 get the FES version. If you want a Nocturne for cheap (game disc and box art only, disc looks terrible but still loads up and plays fine) then let me know. I have an extra copy.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: andrew on September 11, 2011, 01:13:07 am
I picked up Devil Survivor Overclocked yesterday, but I won't be playing it right away. (Star Fox 64 3D first!) I'm anticipating that I'll like it, so after that I will move on to the recommendations.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on September 11, 2011, 01:47:23 am
I picked up Devil Survivor Overclocked yesterday, but I won't be playing it right away. (Star Fox 64 3D first!) I'm anticipating that I'll like it, so after that I will move on to the recommendations.


My roommate and I have been contemplating getting Star Fox 3D to play together... Let me know what you think of it!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: darko on September 11, 2011, 03:08:54 am
I am too actually. Between SF3D, the HD remakes of Ico & Shadow of the Colossus, Skyrim and MW3 I should have plenty to play over the next several months.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: andrew on September 12, 2011, 03:31:51 am

My roommate and I have been contemplating getting Star Fox 3D to play together... Let me know what you think of it!


Star Fox 64 3D is FUN! I never played the original N64 version, so this was all new to me. You'll put the game in and instantly have a blast playing it! However, in under 2 hours I completed the training and beat all 7 of the short missions needed to finish the main game. The credits followed. This surprised me, but I'm not too disappointed because of all the replayability the game has. I'll definitely be putting many more hours into it.

Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: darko on September 22, 2011, 09:49:20 am
So what does everyone think of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSktJ7f-3x0&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on September 22, 2011, 11:10:11 am
That is *insane.*  I thought it was a joke at first, but it's looks very well done.  Another vid here:

I love the details of the backgrounds, with the shadow figures... If this were Persona 3, I could imagine how badass a stage would look: a rumbling traincar with lots of coffins in the background, perhaps?
Also, AEGIS!!!!

But also, my other first thought was, "Why are they fighting each other?"
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on September 23, 2011, 01:36:36 am
Not just "well done", being done by the BlazBlue team. I translated a bit of that second vid, did a bit of searching, found this: http://www.siliconera.com/2011/08/30/blazblue-team-developing-persona-4-fighting-game/
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on September 23, 2011, 01:49:41 am
Not just "well done", being done by the BlazBlue team. I translated a bit of that second vid, did a bit of searching, found this: http://www.siliconera.com/2011/08/30/blazblue-team-developing-persona-4-fighting-game/

Thanks for looking into this some more!  BlazBlue... of course!  Such quality in the graphics and a blur of activity... I can't wait to see more video of this game.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: andrew on October 25, 2011, 01:50:47 pm
I finally finished Devil Survivor Overclocked! This is the first game I really played and completed in this genre, and I truly enjoyed it.

My save file says I logged 57 hours, but that doesn't take into consideration the times I saved, continued playing, died, and restarted. In the end, I chose Yuzu's path and completed her 8th day. I was most tempted to do my MC's route, but I settled for Yuzu's. With the NG+ option, I eventually want to see my MC's and Naoya's ending. (On my playthrough, I was only given the option to choose the route for my MC, Yuzu, or Naoya.) Who knows, maybe I'll try for the other routes after that. Honestly, I never thought I would be this tempted to replay it (especially so soon) to see the different endings.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on October 25, 2011, 01:52:46 pm
I just picked up Overclocked "new" from Gamestop next store... was really hoping they had a CIB pre-owned because I know their "new" items are basically the same thing for $5+ more.

Not planning on undoing their seal in case I can find a pre-owned for less elsewhere sometime soon... But thought I'd grab it because I noticed that it's out of stock on Amazon and going for more than list price already on eBay.  :X Damn Atlus collectibles!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on October 25, 2011, 01:56:00 pm
I just picked up Overclocked "new" from Gamestop


I got a chuckle out of this.

Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on October 25, 2011, 01:57:13 pm
I just picked up Overclocked "new" from Gamestop


I got a chuckle out of this.


Ha, you know I've already complained about this in the thread bashing Gamestop practices!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on October 25, 2011, 11:17:03 pm
99 cent release day delivery from Amazon saved my marriage! (Not really, but I haven't entered a GameStop since I realized how reliable the shipping from Amazon was. And that's not nothing, that's something.)
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on October 26, 2011, 12:03:15 am
99 cent release day delivery from Amazon saved my marriage! (Not really, but I haven't entered a GameStop since I realized how reliable the shipping from Amazon was. And that's not nothing, that's something.)


I've gotten quite a few games via Amazon and their release day delivery, it's a pretty rad deal for sure. I just pre-ordered Skyrim and they game me an instant $10 credit and the special release day delivery. I ordered Pokemon Black and White that way and WoW: Cataclysm (when I was still hooked on it). Also I had originally had the Red 3DS preordered there and Warhammer 40k: Space Marine, but had to cancel. :(

Plus I can preorder there and they don't charge anything until it ships, rather than the $xx.xx down at GS. Also if you need to cancel for whatever reason you don't get a guilt trip or treated like a total a-hole, ha. I've seen that happen.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on October 26, 2011, 03:03:59 pm
Speaking of Amazon, it looks like they restocked their copies of Overclocked, and it's now on sale as part of their Halloween deal!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=br_lf_m_1000733571_grlink_1?ie=UTF8&plgroup=1&docId=1000733571
Woohoo... now to return the "new" game to Gamestop... :)
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: darko on October 28, 2011, 03:24:27 pm
Speaking of Amazon, it looks like they restocked their copies of Overclocked, and it's now on sale as part of their Halloween deal!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=br_lf_m_1000733571_grlink_1?ie=UTF8&plgroup=1&docId=1000733571
Woohoo... now to return the "new" game to Gamestop... :)


Thanks for the link! There are some excellent deals to be had on those 2 pages. Deathsmiles CE for $25? Please and thank you!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on October 28, 2011, 03:32:57 pm

Deathsmiles CE for $25? Please and thank you!


@darko Scan that box. :P

Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on October 28, 2011, 03:35:57 pm
No problemo!  Amazon's odd in how they hide their sales pages sometimes...  Tempted by Deathsmiles, but I can't handle shooters much... Geometry Wars is usually enough for me.  Looks like Overclocked is OOS now at Amazon - glad I bit when I did.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on October 28, 2011, 03:36:55 pm

Deathsmiles CE for $25? Please and thank you!


@darko Scan that box. :P



I thought you'd have the CE?  I know, I hate when the only images available for CEs are the big bundle shot...
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on October 28, 2011, 03:39:17 pm
I do have the CE, but I tossed the box when I got it. Like a FOOL!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on October 28, 2011, 03:40:34 pm
Also, I fudged the image we have now, it was originally a digital camera shot I snagged online and edited it with Photoshop.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on October 28, 2011, 03:56:05 pm
I do have the CE, but I tossed the box when I got it. Like a FOOL!


I thought you had grown past this, @scott... smh.

(distant yell: "kick out the traitor!")
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on February 21, 2012, 04:46:08 pm
Atlus just sent this today after a "blank" email the other day with the words "stay tuned":

Pre-orders... http://www.atlus.com/p4arena/purchase.html
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: darko on February 21, 2012, 07:45:09 pm
Hmmm...not sure how I feel about it to be honest. I'll need to see some gameplay.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: jobocan on February 21, 2012, 09:18:50 pm
Hmmm...not sure how I feel about it to be honest. I'll need to see some gameplay.


There:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S4vArlqgtE

It's made by the guys who made Guilty Gear and BlazBlue, so it does sound pretty interesting to me. It actually looks a bit similar to those.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: ffxik on February 21, 2012, 11:10:26 pm
Great another game I'll have to get.  I like fighting games and I love the SMT games. win/win for me.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on February 22, 2012, 12:00:51 am
@darko weren't you the one who initially put up the video about P4A back in September?  There's lots of gameplay vids up on the 'nets now that it's already out in Japan.  But I agree with you about initial hesitancy...  However, It looks so good... I don't even like fighting games, but I'm sure I'll have to pick this one up at some point to add to my SMT collection.  Not sure about $60 preorder though...
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: darko on February 22, 2012, 10:52:20 am
@darko weren't you the one who initially put up the video about P4A back in September?  There's lots of gameplay vids up on the 'nets now that it's already out in Japan.  But I agree with you about initial hesitancy...  However, It looks so good... I don't even like fighting games, but I'm sure I'll have to pick this one up at some point to add to my SMT collection.  Not sure about $60 preorder though...


Ha...pretty sure I did. The game looks okay from the videos but I'm still a little iffy. I don't know if it's because I'm really picky about fighting games or if it's because I can't really imagine a fighting game with Persona characters. Either way I'll probably end up owning it.

The special moves do look cool.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on February 22, 2012, 10:58:21 am
A friend of mine told me yesterday that I am doing myself a great disservice by not ever playing the Persona games....

I really need to get on that.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: ffxik on February 22, 2012, 11:07:28 am
A friend of mine told me yesterday that I am doing myself a great disservice by not ever playing the Persona games....

I really need to get on that.


I have to say I agree with your friend.  Easily one of my favorite series.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on February 22, 2012, 11:42:28 am
A friend of mine told me yesterday that I am doing myself a great disservice by not ever playing the Persona games....

I really need to get on that.


I think the fact that we've had multiple threads on SMT:P should've told you that!  I started on Persona 3 FES and was completely blown away from the start.  But it's up for debate about which Persona is the best to start with.  I still say #3.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: darko on February 22, 2012, 05:23:39 pm
Which Persona game to start with? I'd put another vote on 3. While I liked 4 more, 3 is an excellent game and I'm glad I started with it!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on February 22, 2012, 06:15:07 pm
Another vote for 3 here! I liked 4 a lot but I don't think they'll ever have another character that can come close to Junpei. I used to have "Good EEEEVENNING. Welcome to Junpei's Believe It or Don't!" as my voicemail notification...the voice acting was so perfect.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 05, 2012, 11:19:18 am
Sooo I'm not sure how I didn't know about this before Atlus Online sent me an email about it, but :
http://welcome.megaten.atlusonline.com/

Only problem is, I have an AO account, but there doesn't seem to be a "sign in" option.  Hopefully they'll address this soon.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: darko on March 05, 2012, 01:35:57 pm
Imagine has been out for a while. I played it for ~100 hours or so several years ago. It's decent, but not amazing.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: jobocan on March 05, 2012, 02:02:52 pm
I played a bit of Imagine... Didn't click with me. Didn't seem terrible, but it bored me really fast.

Speaking of SMT, I just saw Shin Megami Tensei on the iPhone while I was browsing the App Store... And then I saw that they didn't bother translating it for release in America so it's fully Japanese... what's up with that?
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 05, 2012, 02:13:48 pm
Yeah the screenshots definitely look like the game was made at least 5 years ago, if not 10.  I might download it to see how it looks then shelve it until Atlus makes another announcement about it (in April).  The other Atlus Online titles have not appealed to me either, so not sure how Imagine will hold up.

Speaking of SMT, I just saw Shin Megami Tensei on the iPhone while I was browsing the App Store... And then I saw that they didn't bother translating it for release in America so it's fully Japanese... what's up with that?


Weird... Don't know Japanese nor do I have an iPhone... will have to look that one up.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: jobocan on March 05, 2012, 03:03:10 pm
Yeah, I looked again and it's published by Index Corporation (the company that owns Atlus), so it's probably legit. I don't know why they released this on the US App Store without translating it though, it's really strange.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 08, 2012, 02:57:48 pm
Ok, I have a $25 Amazon gift card blowing a hole in my pocket. I'm thinking of picking up either a Persona game or Solatorobo. Now I was lookign through the thread and everyone suggests Persona 3, PS2 version. But I look it up and there is Persona 3 and the P3:FES? What's the difference?

Edit, I just read @darko's comment about FES and I'll prolly go with that.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 08, 2012, 03:27:56 pm
Good choice - music is awesome, too, just so you know.  Solatorobo is starting to drop in price again - I'll let you know if it gets to $13 again!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 08, 2012, 03:32:42 pm
Excellent! I was about to add it to my order anyway but I'll hold off for now.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 09, 2012, 02:12:34 pm
Ah damn.. does this mean I need to get a Vita eventually?  http://kotaku.com/5891861/have-a-look-at-persona-4-the-golden
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 15, 2012, 01:14:54 pm
Back in stock in case anyone missed it last time: http://www.amazon.com/Shin-Megami-Tensei-Overclocked-Nintendo-3DS/dp/B002I09286/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331831667&sr=8-1
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 15, 2012, 08:09:28 pm
Good choice - music is awesome, too, just so you know.

To pump @scott up: http://kotaku.com/5893322/persona-3s-awesome-battle-anthem-breaks-the-mold-and-our-faces?utm_campaign=socialflow_kotaku_twitter&utm_source=kotaku_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 15, 2012, 09:11:46 pm
I just got to the first real fight of the game, before I saw this. I'm digging the game so far, it is a little slow to start though. But it's like an interactive manga-anime, and the music is pretty awesome, I agree.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 15, 2012, 10:19:24 pm
Sooo... when they summon a Persona, they blow their brains out? That explains what the one girl was doing w/ the gun in the intro video.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: jcalder8 on March 16, 2012, 01:09:20 am
Sooo... when they summon a Persona, they blow their brains out? That explains what the one girl was doing w/ the gun in the intro video.
I know absolutely nothing about the game but I have to admit that this has me intrigued.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on March 16, 2012, 01:13:23 am
@scott: You should keep it up with the posts like that. It'd be awesome to see what a player new to the series thinks of some of the crazy things that come up.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 16, 2012, 01:20:01 am
Ha if anything strange pops up I'll prolly comment on it.

Also, I love that you go to the Police to buy weapons and gear. "Yes officer, I'd like the baddest ass sword you got. I need to maim and murder after midnight."
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on March 16, 2012, 01:23:33 am
And that the police really don't seem to know what it's for...he just trusts Akihiko and that's good enough for him. Tee hee.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 16, 2012, 01:27:47 am
Totally, like, Oh you have flak jackets for sale too? Sure I need 4 of those and the cute girl needs a new bow... obviously this isn't for gang violence. So were cool, right?
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 16, 2012, 11:53:43 am
I remember when I first got really excited about the game, before I bought it, and then even MORE excited when I had the game and was playing it...  I was really excited to talk to other friends about it, but when describing the game... well...

"It's this Japanese RPG where your characters shoot themselves in the head to unleash their inner demon... With their demons, they have to go to their high school to fight after midnight because everyone has turned into coffins except for them.  Also, you get to join clubs, answer test questions, and date people!"

P4 managed to be a little crazier and almost too ridiculous for me :)
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 16, 2012, 05:16:25 pm
Ya, when the one girl (I'm new, I don't know names yet) was rescuing you and you get to the roof and then she put the evoker to her head, I was like... wtf is going on? Then the main character snags it from the ground and some how instinctively know to do it to summon Ophedus(?) in that first battle. It was the most bad ass thing I've seen in gaming in a while.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 16, 2012, 07:02:32 pm
Ya, when the one girl (I'm new, I don't know names yet) was rescuing you and you get to the roof and then she put the evoker to her head, I was like... wtf is going on? Then the main character snags it from the ground and some how instinctively know to do it to summon Ophedus(?) in that first battle. It was the most bad ass thing I've seen in gaming in a while.

Yeah, great intro sequences.  Definitely one of those intros where if someone walks into the room in the middle of it you want to just turn off the game and start again from the beginning to not miss anything.  Yelling or heavy sighing might be involved.

I'm assuming the girl was Yukari and the Protagonist's persona is Orpheus :)
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 16, 2012, 09:34:27 pm
Ya that intro was epic.

Also, wtf is up w/ only being able to do 2 floors (maybe) before people start getting tired? I just ran through 3 floors before I found a teleporter with all 3 characters tired, and then was laid up for 2 days before I could go back to the tower... grrr
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 16, 2012, 10:03:47 pm
Ya that intro was epic.

Also, wtf is up w/ only being able to do 2 floors (maybe) before people start getting tired? I just ran through 3 floors before I found a teleporter with all 3 characters tired, and then was laid up for 2 days before I could go back to the tower... grrr

If I recall correctly, I think later on you and your teammates' stamina improves or something, so don't fret!  It'll get better.  Plus, the game also wants to keep you on its timeline to a point... you'll see ;)

I thought the same thing, though!  The randomized floors kinda mess with you on that regarding the teleporters...
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 17, 2012, 12:00:21 am
Is it just me, or is it not a good idea to fully explore each level? This fatigue thing is a real pain in the ass, ha.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 18, 2012, 09:16:19 pm
I found myself looking into Persona 2 for PSP. Also tempted to get P4... sigh.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on March 18, 2012, 10:57:09 pm
First off, there are actually two Persona 2's: Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment. Innocent Sin was never released in the U.S. before the PSP version because of an epic fight with Hitler, among other things. So when you are considering getting the PSP game, know that you are probably going to be investing in Eternal Punishment as well. (Which at the moment is still only PS1. There's an announced version for the PSP in Japan but nothing about localizing it yet. And with the Vita's inability to transfer UMDs in the U.S., unlike Japan, who knows if they'll bother.)

Also, the Persona 4 gameplay and story is going to be much closer to what you are playing now. Persona 3 was sorta like Grand Theft Auto 3, they changed the gameplay enough that a lot of new people started there.

Not trying to skew your view of the games or try to convince you to go for one or the other, but I do know that most of my friends have loved 3 and 4 but hated 1 and 2. Actually...the only guy I know that loves them all is the guy that introduced me to the Shin Megami games...and I think he did that with Persona 3 and Digital Devil Saga for a reason...he knew I'd be hooked and go back and play them all.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 18, 2012, 11:06:51 pm
I actually just dumped my 10h save, and started over. Because I realized I wasn't managing my time well. Honestly that doesn't bother me at all.

Ya I realized that there were 2 Persona 2 games, that is kinda what interested me the most, I'll get them eventually. I think they'll bring Persona 2: Eternal Punishment stateside. But I doubt it would be on store shelves and would be an Amazon type purchase for sure.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: jcalder8 on March 18, 2012, 11:43:54 pm
So what is the best game to start with?
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on March 18, 2012, 11:47:55 pm
I'm biased because it was my first, but I'd say Persona 3. It's easy to get into and a good idea of what the entire Shin Megami series is about. It's also not as heartless as some of the other Shin Megami games, difficulty-wise. And it's got Junpei....I LOVE Junpei.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 19, 2012, 12:13:27 am
And it's got Junpei....I LOVE Junpei.

Junpei is pretty win.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 19, 2012, 12:18:23 am
So what is the best game to start with?

The folks here talked me into Persona 3 FES, which is a great game so far. I have another friend who called me fail for not going with the PSP version, but honestly, I think I prefer seeing an original version of the game over the remake first anyway. Plus FES includes a second scenario to it that is a direct sequel to Persona 3, which I think isn't on the PSP version of the game.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on March 19, 2012, 12:22:26 am
The folks here talked me into Persona 3 FES, which is a great game so far. I have another friend who called me fail for not going with the PSP version, but honestly, I think I prefer seeing an original version of the game over the remake first anyway. Plus FES includes a second scenario to it that is a direct sequel to Persona 3, which I think isn't on the PSP version of the game.

The FES extras are NOT on the PSP version. The extra for the PSP is that you can play as a boy or girl protagonist and see how the social links change.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 19, 2012, 10:09:31 am
Is it possible to fail the game if you don't make it to the top of Tartarus by the end of the school year?
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 19, 2012, 12:43:41 pm
Is it possible to fail the game if you don't make it to the top of Tartarus by the end of the school year?

I can't quite remember, but I think I read somewhere that if you don't make it in time, the game might send you back in time or something to change how you managed your gametime.

But I'm not sure if I just made that up or what ;D
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on March 19, 2012, 12:51:03 pm
So what is the best game to start with?

I'd go with P3FES as well, but perhaps that's also because it was the first Persona title I started with.

The first SMT title I played was Digital Devil Saga, which is also very excellent but has a diff mood for sure.

P4 is great, but I still think I love P3 more for the characters and story, and I think it'd be an easier transition into 3 than it would be into 4 for a new SMT gamer.

Not trying to skew your view of the games or try to convince you to go for one or the other, but I do know that most of my friends have loved 3 and 4 but hated 1 and 2.

I had a hard time getting into 1 but was enjoying 2 on the PSP.  It's definitely a different way of playing, but it's interesting to see how it evolved into P3.  I gave in and purchased Eternal Punishment from eBay and was pretty annoyed because they shipped it in crappy packaging and the case got slightly cracked.  Haven't played it yet, but all this talk makes me want to grab the CRT tv from my parents' house and play!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on March 19, 2012, 07:18:38 pm
Well there is no turning back now. I had kept my original save, in case I decided starting over wasn't a good idea. For some reason my PS3 (console) wiped save slot 1 and now all that is left is my new 2h save.  This time through I am limiting myself to 2 trips to Tartarus a week though. Cause I noticed on the previous game I was ignoring my social skills. :\
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on May 02, 2012, 06:48:47 pm
Speaking of ignoring social skills...

http://atlus.com/p4g/index.html

Don't have a Vita, but that might not stop me from getting a copy of this eventually.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: amauriel on May 02, 2012, 07:21:32 pm
Speaking of ignoring social skills...

http://atlus.com/p4g/index.html

Don't have a Vita, but that might not stop me from getting a copy of this eventually.

I DO have a Vita, and have been wanting a reason to, ya know, use it.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: kirbysuperstar on May 02, 2012, 08:06:12 pm
Plus FES includes a second scenario to it that is a direct sequel to Persona 3, which I think isn't on the PSP version of the game.

To be fair, The Answer was absolute garbage and I applaud Atlus for removing it from P3P.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on May 02, 2012, 08:16:46 pm
Plus FES includes a second scenario to it that is a direct sequel to Persona 3, which I think isn't on the PSP version of the game.

To be fair, The Answer was absolute garbage and I applaud Atlus for removing it from P3P.

Ha I never even got that far... Sad to admit I haven't finished any of them, but I'm not the sort who finishes games anyway.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on May 11, 2012, 09:48:02 pm
Alright, So I loaded up Persona 3 Portable tonight, to compare it to what I've played of Persona 3 FES. So far, I don't like the cut scenes, or lack of. And navigating the Dorm is lame. It feels so... I dunno. Like a point and click adventure.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: ffxik on May 12, 2012, 06:45:30 am
Speaking of ignoring social skills...

http://atlus.com/p4g/index.html

Don't have a Vita, but that might not stop me from getting a copy of this eventually.

I hate to be a stick in the mud but I really want to see a Persona 5, not so much a rehash
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on May 12, 2012, 04:46:06 pm
Alright, So I loaded up Persona 3 Portable tonight, to compare it to what I've played of Persona 3 FES. So far, I don't like the cut scenes, or lack of. And navigating the Dorm is lame. It feels so... I dunno. Like a point and click adventure.

I agree, Scott.  I really missed the intro scenes of the PS2 version... It feels like so much is left out of the remake.  I gotta get that CRT from my parents and get some real PS1and PS2 action going.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on May 12, 2012, 05:38:41 pm
Anyone who claims this is the definitive version of the game is on crack. Just because you can control your entire group =\= better version overall. Now if they would have not messed with the presentation and only modified the game play, added the female/story. Then I would consider this a better version. Instead its a cut down version of the game, with some new features sprinkled on top to make Atlus a quick buck.

I'll be passing on any of the other PSP Persona versions in favor of the originals
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: kirbysuperstar on May 12, 2012, 09:57:27 pm
P3P is the only one they really changed significantly though. All the others just fixed things and made them look better, though Persona 1 is still completely unplayable.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on May 26, 2012, 01:11:54 pm
So before I make myself look like a fool by added  the PSP Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 2: Innocent Sin's soundtrack bundle to the database. What it released with and without the soundtrack? If not, then we need to fix the current listing. If so, then I need to add a new one for my bundle.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: gaiages on May 27, 2012, 12:16:05 pm
I know this might be a little mean, but... who the heck put that Persona 5 artwork up?  I have a small feeling that it isn't official... http://vgcollect.com/item/18500

As for the comment a couple weeks ago (go me necroing), I think people were just so excited that they could make sure the AI isn't doing stupid mistakes so much that they were blinded by how much was taken out... I haven't personally tried P3P yet, and I also found the AI in P3 *mostly* alright (Marin Karin's aside), so I have a feeling that I'll find the PSP version a bit... lacking, as well.  At least you can date the guys, though?
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: disgaeniac on May 27, 2012, 12:28:58 pm
Yeah...and I see that the entry for Persona 5 was submitted in November of 2011...talk about pre-mature 'e'-speculation  ;)

Anyhow, I forget what topic it came up in, but a few of us seemed to agree that games that have not even been given an NA confirmation and/or release date - just shouldn't be listed.

I also noticed the "Dragon Age III" PS3 entry in the database  :-\
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on May 29, 2012, 01:59:59 am
I also noticed the "Dragon Age III" PS3 entry in the database  :-\

Hm, interesting that that entry was created by the same person would put up P5... That prelim cover is pretty hilarious.  There's so much fanart out there - why that one?

Also, someone is claiming they already own DAIII?  *scratches head*
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on May 29, 2012, 08:14:10 am
So before I make myself look like a fool by added  the PSP Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 2: Innocent Sin's soundtrack bundle to the database. What it released with and without the soundtrack? If not, then we need to fix the current listing. If so, then I need to add a new one for my bundle.

Anyone?
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: disgaeniac on May 29, 2012, 10:04:22 am
So before I make myself look like a fool by added  the PSP Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 2: Innocent Sin's soundtrack bundle to the database. What it released with and without the soundtrack? If not, then we need to fix the current listing. If so, then I need to add a new one for my bundle.

Anyone?

I *Believe* that the "standard" version came w/ the soundtrack.

I'm *Pretty* sure - but *NOT* 100% sure...
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on May 29, 2012, 12:30:34 pm
Yeah, when I bought it, it was packaged with the soundtrack.  The Atlus website claims that all launch copies will come with the soundtrack, so I don't know if they've sold enough to warrant another printing yet.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on May 29, 2012, 05:28:22 pm
Well in that case, when I get home I'm scanning the proper art into the database.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on May 30, 2012, 12:46:34 pm
Looks great!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on February 21, 2013, 03:54:10 pm
I was thinking about this the other day, after playing P4 Arena. I would love to see Persona 5 be about Elizabeth searching for a way to save P3's Main Character. Make it happen Atlus!
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: insektmute on February 21, 2013, 04:14:38 pm
I was thinking about this the other day, after playing P4 Arena. I would love to see Persona 5 be about Elizabeth searching for a way to save P3's Main Character. Make it happen Atlus!

Part of me would love an RPG focused around the P3/P4 characters coming together, but on the other hand, I'd hate to see them take the Final Fantasy XIII route and just milk the series into oblivion. I'm ready for a new cast :)
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: scott on February 21, 2013, 04:18:10 pm
My thing is, I'd love to see a game centered on her and her journey. But involving new player characters.
Title: Re: Shin Megami Tensei
Post by: desocietas on February 21, 2013, 05:25:01 pm
Since we've been discussing SMT in the recently purchased thread, I figure we should bring the topic over here...

debating on cancelling SMT: Soul Hackers...

Blasphemy! Low print run on a game that's been held back from US release for over a decade, plus a soundtrack CD? Pre-orders don't get much more mandatory than that :)

True, and I've never played a legit SMT game before. So I guess this would be my cheapest option. haha
Ha, well, I guess it also depends on what we consider a "legit SMT game."  I mean, you've played Persona 3 and 4.
Oh I meant main series. I get the impression that Persona 3 and 4 are far and away different from main series SMT games. Then again I don't really know.

Ah yeah, the main series is kinda split up strangely.  There's the Megami Tensei stuff, then there's a few Shin Megami Tensei items, which includes Nocturne and Strange Journey, and then there's all the Digital Devil saga, Devil Summoner, and Persona stuff.

I don't honestly think all the SMT stuff are all that different from each other, especially when you just look at the demon/persona mythology stuff.  I mean, Jack Frost is in all of the stuff I've already listed.

But when you look at the high school sim of Persona 3 and the futuristic story of DDS, it can look pretty different...