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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: sin2beta on March 06, 2014, 09:38:35 pm
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There has been a lot of talk of the 5-screw Little Samson appearing on eBay. It's currently at $260. It is a fake. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Little-Samson-NINTENDO-PAT-PEND-MADE-IN-JAPAN-NINTENDO-NES-/141206371656?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item20e08e3d48 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Little-Samson-NINTENDO-PAT-PEND-MADE-IN-JAPAN-NINTENDO-NES-/141206371656?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item20e08e3d48)
5-screws were not made after 87 or so. Do counterfeit games concern you when buying games? Would you buy high-end games?
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It is becoming more and more popular unfortunately. Probably the worst case of counterfeit games are the Pokemon games. I actually see more fakes than real ones these days, specifically at several game stores that buy them in order to pull a fast one on their customers. I have reported all of them to Nintendo and other anti-piracy agencies. I know a guy locally who makes and sells a bunch of fake games as well. He is a total piece of shit and I have been trying to get him shut down. If any one wants to help me here is his Ebay page:
http://www.ebay.com/usr/jd_pacey
At the moment he does not have any fakes up, but looking at his feedback you will notice countless bootleg games he has sold recently. The whole fake game market pisses me off. I just hate people who think they can profit off of other people's work.
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It is becoming more and more popular unfortunately. Probably the worst case of counterfeit games are the Pokemon games. I actually see more fakes than real ones these days, specifically at several game stores that buy them in order to pull a fast one on their customers. I have reported all of them to Nintendo and other anti-piracy agencies. I know a guy locally who makes and sells a bunch of fake games as well. He is a total piece of shit and I have been trying to get him shut down. If any one wants to help me here is his Ebay page:
http://www.ebay.com/usr/jd_pacey
At the moment he does not have any fakes up, but looking at his feedback you will notice countless bootleg games he has sold recently. The whole fake game market pisses me off. I just hate people who think they can profit off of other people's work.
I've heard that on Pokemon. I've thought about picking these games up again. I really like them. But I might as well play them on an emulator if there is a decent chance of getting a fake.
Now, part of me thinks of it as just being a ROM anyway. But, I think most of my issue with it is due to the blatant deceitfulness.
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It is becoming more and more popular unfortunately. Probably the worst case of counterfeit games are the Pokemon games. I actually see more fakes than real ones these days, specifically at several game stores that buy them in order to pull a fast one on their customers. I have reported all of them to Nintendo and other anti-piracy agencies. I know a guy locally who makes and sells a bunch of fake games as well. He is a total piece of shit and I have been trying to get him shut down. If any one wants to help me here is his Ebay page:
http://www.ebay.com/usr/jd_pacey (http://www.ebay.com/usr/jd_pacey)
At the moment he does not have any fakes up, but looking at his feedback you will notice countless bootleg games he has sold recently. The whole fake game market pisses me off. I just hate people who think they can profit off of other people's work.
I've heard that on Pokemon. I've thought about picking these games up again. I really like them. But I might as well play them on an emulator if there is a decent chance of getting a fake.
Now, part of me thinks of it as just being a ROM anyway. But, I think most of my issue with it is due to the blatant deceitfulness.
I hate that part about it too.
There are actually some useful guides online for how to spot fake games, I am pretty good at spotting fake Pokemon GBA games. Though I have seen some more convincing ones recently, the biggest give away is the E in the ESBR rating. It is skinnier and more slanted then the official one.
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I posted a few pictures last time this topic came up. now that I've got a legit copy of the game I have a counterfeit of I might try to do a video detailing every little thing a counterfeit will have wrong.
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It is becoming more and more popular unfortunately. Probably the worst case of counterfeit games are the Pokemon games. I actually see more fakes than real ones these days, specifically at several game stores that buy them in order to pull a fast one on their customers. I have reported all of them to Nintendo and other anti-piracy agencies. I know a guy locally who makes and sells a bunch of fake games as well. He is a total piece of shit and I have been trying to get him shut down. If any one wants to help me here is his Ebay page:
http://www.ebay.com/usr/jd_pacey
At the moment he does not have any fakes up, but looking at his feedback you will notice countless bootleg games he has sold recently. The whole fake game market pisses me off. I just hate people who think they can profit off of other people's work.
Very true about the Pokemon. I advertised that I buy video games on craigslist the guy contacted me about having Pokemon games. I was very skeptic and asked him lots of questions before I bought.. But! They turned out real and I was happy. People non stop Selling Pokemon's from China.
Another bootleg I see a lot is higher end Atari games like Halloween and Texas chainsaw and such. It sucks this happens but when a games worth 300 and such people get desprate
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And now you know why I hate repro cart creators.
These people profit from clueless buyers.
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What do you look for when it comes to fake Pokemon games? I imagine it's something you come across with the popular and rare stuff, but are those noticeable things to look for? I would think only the hardcore collectors would know the difference between a 3 screw and a 5 screw Little Samson.
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What do you look for when it comes to fake Pokemon games? I imagine it's something you come across with the popular and rare stuff, but are those noticeable things to look for? I would think only the hardcore collectors would know the difference between a 3 screw and a 5 screw Little Samson.
Original Nintendo games have "Nintendo" written just above the cart contacts, at least in GBA games.
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Oh man it's tough with the Neo Geo, simply because it's fairly easy an inexpensive to make a "conversion." When I buy pricier games I buy from other trustworthy collectors and make sure to get detailed pictures, and ask a lot of questions
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I don't mind buying repros as long as I know they are repros but not at idiot ebay prices. Buying an original game and getting a repro in it's place makes for a very unhappy camper.
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Repro carts are fine if its a of a game that was never released in the USA and English translated, or taken from a Prototype that was never released. I love those, I own several myself. And buying them any idiot knows it's a reproduction.
If its a repro of say NWC90 it's fine if it looking nothing like the original. Like the one that RetroZone sells. (see pic)
The ones I hate with a passion are the carts like Little Samson, Stadium Events, Flintstones etc that are people trying to make a fast buck by fooling a buyer that it's an original. It makes me second guess a game. >:(
I remember ordering a repro of Pepsi Invaders, The guy even offered to send it with no label so it can look like the original.
I told him, NO. Its a repro, So I picked out a cool label for it.
Here's a Pic of some of my NES repro carts. Most are Prototypes or English Translations that never got released in the states.
And the few that where, (NWC90 and the 3 Adult games) look nothing like the original. In fact I'd still would buy the original If I found them at a price I could afford.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1975022_637627186310711_1887630552_n.jpg)
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As long as the seller doesn't try to pass it off as an original, or charge what others charge for the original, then I'm fine with reproductions. If there's one thing I don't care for, it's the perceived monetary value of an old game. I'm not a collector in any traditional sense of the word. So if repros were made to supplement some of the super inflated price carts, I wouldn't mind, again so long as they price them accordingly and say they are pepros.
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So if repros were made to supplement some of the super inflated price carts, I wouldn't mind, again so long as they price them accordingly and say they are pepros.
That'll never happen. If someone wanted something other than the original they would just emulate. Having a Samson or Flintstones is only for the collection sake. I know it would be for me.
That being said, I played the first level of Little Samson and stopped because I'm saving the experience for when I find the real cart.
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Im the extreme when it comes to a collector as I really dont care the origin of a game, as long as it works, Im good with that. The perceived value of games is just that ... perceived. I know its a weird stance considering my actual collection but I will always be a gamer first. I do not value Stadium events any more than I value World class track meet personally.
Its when the game doesnt work as it should that I tend to get upset with pirates/counterfeits/bootlegs/repros/etc.
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It's not just fake carts that people try and pass off. I got this bootleg Dreamcast off ebay about a year ago. When I confronted the seller actually swore to me that it wasn't a fake. Even though the disk is green and quite obviously a CD-R. It wasn't expensive but it really pissed me off because I could have easily just burned it myself but I wanted the real copy. :(
(http://i.imgur.com/v51TdcF.jpg?2)
(http://i.imgur.com/4M6MBth.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/fGa8UqW.jpg?1)
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Repro carts are fine if its a of a game that was never released in the USA and English translated, or taken from a Prototype that was never released. I love those, I own several myself. And buying them any idiot knows it's a reproduction.
If its a repro of say NWC90 it's fine if it looking nothing like the original. Like the one that RetroZone sells. (see pic)
The ones I hate with a passion are the carts like Little Samson, Stadium Events, Flintstones etc that are people trying to make a fast buck by fooling a buyer that it's an original. It makes me second guess a game. >:(
I remember ordering a repro of Pepsi Invaders, The guy even offered to send it with no label so it can look like the original.
I told him, NO. Its a repro, So I picked out a cool label for it.
Here's a Pic of some of my NES repro carts. Most are Prototypes or English Translations that never got released in the states.
And the few that where, (NWC90 and the 3 Adult games) look nothing like the original. In fact I'd still would buy the original If I found them at a price I could afford.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1975022_637627186310711_1887630552_n.jpg)
You see that Kid Dracula cart? I didn't authorize anyone to create a repro cart that features my work, and I'm pretty sure Matt Scheurich (http://www.lvl99.com/) (the graphic artist that created the logo for me all those years ago) didn't authorize anyone other than myself to use his artwork either.
It especially irks me because these stupid repro creators insist on using original company logos on the stickers. THE GAME IS A FAKE, DON'T TRY TO DISGUISE THAT FACT.
Argh.
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you're a scumbag if you try and pass a repo off as the real thing and sell it at inflated prices. i've seen it done a bunch with earthbound zero/mother and it really sucks.
with that said, id really like to be able to play kid dracula, sweet home, mr gimmick, cocoron, and crisis force so im not completely opposed to the idea of buying a repo just to be able to play games id otherwise never be able to (my computer is junk, and im not computer savy so emulators are kind of out of the question for me).
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The only time I was tricked was by a couple of counterfeit DS games on eBay back in 09. Just don't buy anything from China, or with only a stock photo. Most know this, but I was a newbie then. It would have been fine by me, except that the carts didn't play on my DSi, also the instruction manuals did not contain any instructions.
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i forgot to mention! years ago my ex-girlfriends mom bought me a copy of pokemon firered for the GBA and when i turned it on it was megaman battle network. i was confused and pretty upset. why would someone do this? its just such a disgusting act.
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i forgot to mention! years ago my ex-girlfriends mom bought me a copy of pokemon firered for the GBA and when i turned it on it was megaman battle network. i was confused and pretty upset. why would someone do this? its just such a disgusting act.
This actually happened on a copy of Blackthorne for the SNES I bought last fall. Popped it into my SNES, and the freakin music and startup menu for Donkey Kog Country came on; someone had switched the board out. While it was irritating I ended up being able to return the fake Blackthorne, and I also ended up finding a REAL Blackthorne about two months later for cheaper anyways :p.
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Repro carts are fine if its a of a game that was never released in the USA and English translated, or taken from a Prototype that was never released. I love those, I own several myself. And buying them any idiot knows it's a reproduction.
If its a repro of say NWC90 it's fine if it looking nothing like the original. Like the one that RetroZone sells. (see pic)
The ones I hate with a passion are the carts like Little Samson, Stadium Events, Flintstones etc that are people trying to make a fast buck by fooling a buyer that it's an original. It makes me second guess a game. >:(
I remember ordering a repro of Pepsi Invaders, The guy even offered to send it with no label so it can look like the original.
I told him, NO. Its a repro, So I picked out a cool label for it.
Here's a Pic of some of my NES repro carts. Most are Prototypes or English Translations that never got released in the states.
And the few that where, (NWC90 and the 3 Adult games) look nothing like the original. In fact I'd still would buy the original If I found them at a price I could afford.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1975022_637627186310711_1887630552_n.jpg)
You see that Kid Dracula cart? I didn't authorize anyone to create a repro cart that features my work, and I'm pretty sure Matt Scheurich (http://www.lvl99.com/) (the graphic artist that created the logo for me all those years ago) didn't authorize anyone other than myself to use his artwork either.
It especially irks me because these stupid repro creators insist on using original company logos on the stickers. THE GAME IS A FAKE, DON'T TRY TO DISGUISE THAT FACT.
Argh.
That's really cool! Didn't realize you were/are in the development business. What part did you have in the development of the game and what else have you done if you don't mind me asking?
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you're a scumbag if you try and pass a repo off as the real thing and sell it at inflated prices. i've seen it done a bunch with earthbound zero/mother and it really sucks.
with that said, id really like to be able to play kid dracula, sweet home, mr gimmick, cocoron, and crisis force so im not completely opposed to the idea of buying a repo just to be able to play games id otherwise never be able to (my computer is junk, and im not computer savy so emulators are kind of out of the question for me).
Then why not buy a flash cart?
I know they're expensive, but they're a helluva lot cheaper than buying multiple repros. :p
You see that Kid Dracula cart? I didn't authorize anyone to create a repro cart that features my work, and I'm pretty sure Matt Scheurich (http://www.lvl99.com/) (the graphic artist that created the logo for me all those years ago) didn't authorize anyone other than myself to use his artwork either.
It especially irks me because these stupid repro creators insist on using original company logos on the stickers. THE GAME IS A FAKE, DON'T TRY TO DISGUISE THAT FACT.
Argh.
That's really cool! Didn't realize you were/are in the development business. What part did you have in the development of the game and what else have you done if you don't mind me asking?
I used to translate games as a hobby. I'm no programmer, but I had the help of some very talented people (script translators and game reprogrammers), so I just coordinated the translation efforts and did most of the gruntwork (testing, editing, graphic modifications, etc.)
http://www.foxhack.net/trans/
I stopped because I got sick of people making these repro carts... and some dumbass wanted me to hack games for him. I told him to stick his money where the sun don't shine (in much harsher words.)
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Repro carts are fine if its a of a game that was never released in the USA and English translated, or taken from a Prototype that was never released. I love those, I own several myself. And buying them any idiot knows it's a reproduction.
If its a repro of say NWC90 it's fine if it looking nothing like the original. Like the one that RetroZone sells. (see pic)
The ones I hate with a passion are the carts like Little Samson, Stadium Events, Flintstones etc that are people trying to make a fast buck by fooling a buyer that it's an original. It makes me second guess a game. >:(
I remember ordering a repro of Pepsi Invaders, The guy even offered to send it with no label so it can look like the original.
I told him, NO. Its a repro, So I picked out a cool label for it.
Here's a Pic of some of my NES repro carts. Most are Prototypes or English Translations that never got released in the states.
And the few that where, (NWC90 and the 3 Adult games) look nothing like the original. In fact I'd still would buy the original If I found them at a price I could afford.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1975022_637627186310711_1887630552_n.jpg)
You see that Kid Dracula cart? I didn't authorize anyone to create a repro cart that features my work, and I'm pretty sure Matt Scheurich (http://www.lvl99.com/) (the graphic artist that created the logo for me all those years ago) didn't authorize anyone other than myself to use his artwork either.
It especially irks me because these stupid repro creators insist on using original company logos on the stickers. THE GAME IS A FAKE, DON'T TRY TO DISGUISE THAT FACT.
Argh.
That's really cool! Didn't realize you were/are in the development business. What part did you have in the development of the game and what else have you done if you don't mind me asking?
If it makes you feel any better the cart was discontinued some time ago, It was only available for about a year. And if you could read those Nintendo seals you'd laugh. :P
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you're a scumbag if you try and pass a repo off as the real thing and sell it at inflated prices. i've seen it done a bunch with earthbound zero/mother and it really sucks.
with that said, id really like to be able to play kid dracula, sweet home, mr gimmick, cocoron, and crisis force so im not completely opposed to the idea of buying a repo just to be able to play games id otherwise never be able to (my computer is junk, and im not computer savy so emulators are kind of out of the question for me).
Then why not buy a flash cart?
I know they're expensive, but they're a helluva lot cheaper than buying multiple repros. :p
i might actually have to look into that more now that you mention it...
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Man, don't get me started on the fake and repro debate.... I see them all the time at work and it drives me nuts.... I can't see how either can be good for collectors in ANY way.... Hell, even casual gamers are being hurt by them to be honest.... I had to tell a guy his US version of Terranigma was fake last week and boy was he heart broken.... So many scams on ebay....
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Well fuck I think I got ripped off a couple of years ago.
My sister and I used to play ps1 games when we were kids so I picked up a copy of Crash Bash (a game we played all the time) for like $35 and the bottom was silver and I didn't think of it until I looked at this thread and looked up how to tell if a game is fake.
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A guy in my class has been talking recently of buying stuff to change the data on SNES chips... And he explicitly said he wanted to sell fake Sword of Manas and Mario RPG and Earthbounds for full price because that was easy money. That pissed me honestly, and I told him so. I tried to convince him that it's not an appropriate thing to do, and he said he might sell ROMS and imports instead. And I really hope he meant it, and will not sell fake by saying they're real. >:(
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A guy in my class has been talking recently of buying stuff to change the data on SNES chips... And he explicitly said he wanted to sell fake Sword of Manas and Mario RPG and Earthbounds for full price because that was easy money. That pissed me honestly, and I told him so. I tried to convince him that it's not an appropriate thing to do, and he said he might sell ROMS and imports instead. And I really hope he meant it, and will not sell fake by saying they're real. >:(
My rage is with you!
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A guy in my class has been talking recently of buying stuff to change the data on SNES chips... And he explicitly said he wanted to sell fake Sword of Manas and Mario RPG and Earthbounds for full price because that was easy money. That pissed me honestly, and I told him so. I tried to convince him that it's not an appropriate thing to do, and he said he might sell ROMS and imports instead. And I really hope he meant it, and will not sell fake by saying they're real. >:(
There is a local collector/reseller who is an infamous scam artist when it comes to repros. He has sold thousands of fake GBA and DS games on Ebay over the past year, and doesn't tell anyone they are fake. I am surprised Ebay hasn't banned him seeing how he has at least a dozen negative feedback rating regarding his games being fake. Not to the same extent, but he also sells fake Genesis, NES and SNES carts as well; I know he was selling fake Ninja Gaiden Trilogy and Wild Guns carts for like $80 each. I hate people that do this crap, and feel sorry for the people they scam.
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The thing about Pokemon fakes, is its not hard to spot. All you need to do is look up a list of official releases and how to label art looks. Usually if the Nintendo logo is there, and its a officially released title, its real. Example, Pokemon Dark Cry for the GBA. DArk Cry is on no official Nintendo release page at all. That's a fake. I've never seen an instance where Pokemon Crystal for the Game Boy Color was fake. You can tell the real thing.
My main concern is the high end games. Does anyone know how to spot a real and fake Flintstones copy for the NES? And Halloween for the Atari 2600?
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If you're going to drop $500 bones on a game you'll do a little research. Ask to see the board of NES games. Fakes have different chips than the real deal. A quick google search will show you the pictures.
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With a recent topic created I wanted to ask does anyone consider a Super Nintendo cartridge fake if is does not have real screws?
I've seen cartridges without any screws at all holding it together at all mainly Super Mario World. Super Nintendo cartridges. Instead I saw holes with no screws before.
can you open it up (if it's screws and plastic) and successfully close the cartridge without Sabotaging it?
Image is too large to post to forum and I don't know how to resize a photo from another site
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/qxsktnhgws5pd7lar6n8.jpg
and I would like to know if I own a fake PS2 game. because it came in the official case with the manual but it is silver on the disc but PS2 reads it as a blue disc in the PS2 system browser, in which usually the silver PlayStation 2 discs read as gold instead of blue while looking at the browser.
PS2 discs that are silver are suppose to look gold colored in the browser but the blue backed disc games are suppose to be blue in the browser
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and I would like to know if I own a fake PS2 game. because it came in the official case with the manual but it is silver on the disc but PS2 reads it as a blue disc in the PS2 system browser, in which usually the silver PlayStation 2 discs read as gold instead of blue while looking at the browser.
PS2 discs that are silver are suppose to look gold colored in the browser but the blue backed disc games are suppose to be blue in the browser
The browser shows a blue disc for any CD-rom PS2 game regardless of what the physical disc looks like.
There are standard silver-disc PS2 games that are CD-roms, Example: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Ss4AAOSwEIJbS8Qt/s-l1600.jpg
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and I would like to know if I own a fake PS2 game. because it came in the official case with the manual but it is silver on the disc but PS2 reads it as a blue disc in the PS2 system browser, in which usually the silver PlayStation 2 discs read as gold instead of blue while looking at the browser.
PS2 discs that are silver are suppose to look gold colored in the browser but the blue backed disc games are suppose to be blue in the browser
The browser shows a blue disc for any CD-rom PS2 game regardless of what the physical disc looks like.
There are standard silver-disc PS2 games that are CD-roms, Example: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Ss4AAOSwEIJbS8Qt/s-l1600.jpg
Thank you I thought so :)