General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: dreama1 on April 18, 2014, 10:45:02 pm
Title: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: dreama1 on April 18, 2014, 10:45:02 pm
Let's say 20 years down the road would it be conceivably possible that the playstation 2's library of standard games ever become expensive or replicate the renaissance the NES/SNES is currently living right now? Or is this just a fantasy assumption that the PS2 would ever enjoy the Inflated prices? Will it still be more or less worthless?
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Post by: theflea on April 18, 2014, 11:01:19 pm
as the players get older and have nostalgic memories of the games they played on PS2 it is a possibility that some games will shoot up in value due to the demand. There's already games valuable on PS2, GC and XBOX. And if 6th Gen games start to become Nostalgic then it wouldn't surprise me if the games that hold some value today might triple in cost in 20 years.
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Post by: argyle on April 18, 2014, 11:07:01 pm
Disk-based games are also not as durable as cartridges.
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Post by: dreama1 on April 18, 2014, 11:09:46 pm
as the players get older and have nostalgic memories of the games they played on PS2 it is a possibility that some games will shoot up in value due to the demand. There's already games valuable on PS2, GC and XBOX. And if 6th Gen games start to become Nostalgic then it wouldn't surprise me if the games that hold some value today might triple in cost in 20 years.
I heard today's games are produced in the millions. And that games back then would be in much smaller quantities, sometimes the games wouldn't even get an offical release date just sold when the game ships in?
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Post by: bikingjahuty on April 18, 2014, 11:11:53 pm
I think prices will rise overall once the now 16 to 24 year olds that grew up with the system get careers and start using all their disposable income to relive their childhood. That is what is happening with the NES, SNES, TG16, and to a lessor degree the Genesis right now. It happened with Atari 2600 about a decade ago as well. Like the NES/SNES some common games will become inflated, but for the most part the uncommon and rare stuff will likely skyrocket as it has on 8/16 bit consoles right now. Look at what PS1 prices do in the next three years, that will be the PS2 in about 10-years most likely.
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Post by: bikingjahuty on April 18, 2014, 11:14:24 pm
as the players get older and have nostalgic memories of the games they played on PS2 it is a possibility that some games will shoot up in value due to the demand. There's already games valuable on PS2, GC and XBOX. And if 6th Gen games start to become Nostalgic then it wouldn't surprise me if the games that hold some value today might triple in cost in 20 years.
I heard today's games are produced in the millions. And that games back then would be in much smaller quantities, sometimes the games wouldn't even get an offical release date just sold when the game ships in?
That is a major factor, as well as many games getting little to no press, and of course the internet wasn't around for people to spread the word on obscure games. That is a big reason why there is so much fascination with many 8 and 16 bit games because many of them had such small and unannounced releases, barely anyone bought them. There are games like this on systems as new as the PS2, but not nearly as many.
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Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 18, 2014, 11:16:05 pm
A raise in price for sure, especially the good ones, but I don't think we'll be seeing near the same kind of thing anymore as we do with the old systems, particularly cartridge based stuff. I think the amount of games might play a part also, I mean, how many PS2 games are out there? Over a thousand? These old consoles with like 700 games are a lot, but that's a more manageable number for a collector to me. And as Argyle says, the cartridge stuff has a longer lasting form than the disk ones, where one bad scratch can ruin an entire game. Even now with games just a couple years old, I'm seeing these games just get trashed by folks and there are just so many more of these games around as Dreama1 brings up.
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Post by: dreama1 on April 18, 2014, 11:16:45 pm
I think prices will rise overall once the now 16 to 24 year olds that grew up with the system get careers and start using all their disposable income to relive their childhood. That is what is happening with the NES, SNES, TG16, and to a lessor degree the Genesis right now. It happened with Atari 2600 about a decade ago as well. Like the NES/SNES some common games will become inflated, but for the most part the uncommon and rare stuff will likely skyrocket as it has on 8/16 bit consoles right now. Look at what PS1 prices do in the next three years, that will be the PS2 in about 10-years most likely.
You think the PS1's prices will go crazy in the next 3 years? My counter point would be if it was the cartridge based systems that were driving the prices, and that the same conditions couldn't be met with a disc based system. Will ps2 discs even work in 10 years? The disc as good storage has never been tested.
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Post by: bikingjahuty on April 18, 2014, 11:24:07 pm
I think prices will rise overall once the now 16 to 24 year olds that grew up with the system get careers and start using all their disposable income to relive their childhood. That is what is happening with the NES, SNES, TG16, and to a lessor degree the Genesis right now. It happened with Atari 2600 about a decade ago as well. Like the NES/SNES some common games will become inflated, but for the most part the uncommon and rare stuff will likely skyrocket as it has on 8/16 bit consoles right now. Look at what PS1 prices do in the next three years, that will be the PS2 in about 10-years most likely.
You think the PS1's prices will go crazy in the next 3 years? My counter point would be if it was the cartridge based systems that were driving the prices, and that the same conditions couldn't be met with a disc based system. Will ps2 discs even work in 10 years? The disc as good storage has never been tested.
PS1 games have already started to rise, and yes, many of the people that grew up with the PS1 are now at the age where they are getting careers, mlre disposable income, and have yet to be burdened with family responsibilities so they will start increasing the demand for these games and the prices will go up. I have been trying to knock out as many PS1 games on my list for this exact reason.
In regards to discs working in 10-years, as long as they are well cared for and housed properly, there is no reason why they shouldn't work in that time period. Hell, I was buying music CD printed in the 80s up until a few years ago, and as long as the discs weren't completely scratched, I never had any issues with them. Sure, they won't last forever (nothing ever does), that goes for carts as well.
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Post by: dreama1 on April 18, 2014, 11:24:26 pm
A raise in price for sure, especially the good ones, but I don't think we'll be seeing near the same kind of thing anymore as we do with the old systems, particularly cartridge based stuff. I think the amount of games might play a part also, I mean, how many PS2 games are out there? Over a thousand? These old consoles with like 700 games are a lot, but that's a more manageable number for a collector to me. And as Argyle says, the cartridge stuff has a longer lasting form than the disk ones, where one bad scratch can ruin an entire game. Even now with games just a couple years old, I'm seeing these games just get trashed by folks and there are just so many more of these games around as Dreama1 brings up.
My brain can't process the kids today sitting around in 20 years talking about the classic xbox 360 console, and how badly cod has aged. My mind draws blanks when I think in this direction. Maybe in 50 years the ps2 games will be ultra expensive as most discs stopped working, and to play you would need sealed copies or something. I'm just speculating but the life span of a disc is suppose to be like 20-30 years it's insane.
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Post by: dreama1 on April 18, 2014, 11:27:18 pm
I think prices will rise overall once the now 16 to 24 year olds that grew up with the system get careers and start using all their disposable income to relive their childhood. That is what is happening with the NES, SNES, TG16, and to a lessor degree the Genesis right now. It happened with Atari 2600 about a decade ago as well. Like the NES/SNES some common games will become inflated, but for the most part the uncommon and rare stuff will likely skyrocket as it has on 8/16 bit consoles right now. Look at what PS1 prices do in the next three years, that will be the PS2 in about 10-years most likely.
You think the PS1's prices will go crazy in the next 3 years? My counter point would be if it was the cartridge based systems that were driving the prices, and that the same conditions couldn't be met with a disc based system. Will ps2 discs even work in 10 years? The disc as good storage has never been tested.
PS1 games have already started to rise, and yes, many of the people that grew up with the PS1 are not at the age where they are getting careers, mlre disposable income, and have yet to be burdened with family responsibilities so they will start increasing the demand for these games and the prices will go up. I have been trying to knock out as many PS1 games on my list for this exact reason.
In regards to discs working in 10-years, as long as they are well cared for and housed properly, there is no reason why they shouldn't work in that time period. Hell, I was buying music CD printed in the 80s up until a few years ago, and as long as the discs weren't completely scratched, I never had any issues with them. Sure, they won't last forever (nothing ever does), that goes for carts as well.
hmm..... Makes me want to hoard ps1 games but im worried if it would be an epic fail when the prices don't move as predicted.
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Post by: bikingjahuty on April 18, 2014, 11:32:58 pm
I think prices will rise overall once the now 16 to 24 year olds that grew up with the system get careers and start using all their disposable income to relive their childhood. That is what is happening with the NES, SNES, TG16, and to a lessor degree the Genesis right now. It happened with Atari 2600 about a decade ago as well. Like the NES/SNES some common games will become inflated, but for the most part the uncommon and rare stuff will likely skyrocket as it has on 8/16 bit consoles right now. Look at what PS1 prices do in the next three years, that will be the PS2 in about 10-years most likely.
You think the PS1's prices will go crazy in the next 3 years? My counter point would be if it was the cartridge based systems that were driving the prices, and that the same conditions couldn't be met with a disc based system. Will ps2 discs even work in 10 years? The disc as good storage has never been tested.
PS1 games have already started to rise, and yes, many of the people that grew up with the PS1 are not at the age where they are getting careers, mlre disposable income, and have yet to be burdened with family responsibilities so they will start increasing the demand for these games and the prices will go up. I have been trying to knock out as many PS1 games on my list for this exact reason.
In regards to discs working in 10-years, as long as they are well cared for and housed properly, there is no reason why they shouldn't work in that time period. Hell, I was buying music CD printed in the 80s up until a few years ago, and as long as the discs weren't completely scratched, I never had any issues with them. Sure, they won't last forever (nothing ever does), that goes for carts as well.
hmm..... Makes me want to hoard ps1 games but im worried if it would be an epic fail when the prices don't move as predicted.
Hoarding and game prospecting is a dangerous, risky move, unless you are paying a buck or so for most of them. Even games like RPGs that general go up in price can be a huge gamble.
But the prices of all these systems will go up and down. I truly believe SNES and NES prices will go down, especially for games that aren't rare, just sought after (Super Metroid, FF3, Yoshi's Island). As the main collecting population gets even older, takes on more financial responsibilies, have families, and even start burning out due to the scarcity and prices, the prices on much of the classic Nintendo library will likely go down. The same will eventually happen with all other consoles that experience a huge surge in popularity due to nostalgic 30-somes that eventually get older and move on.
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Post by: Warmsignal on April 18, 2014, 11:59:28 pm
Heh, it'll happen eventually to the last PS4 game that was released. Games are finite, and there's an end of the line for physical ones that is coming. One day, every game from OuterSpace (first game ever?) forward will become available through the air via some technology. That will satisfy the urge to play, but vintage or antique items no longer in production, will always be collectible especially considering demand versus supply.
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Post by: thecrypticodor on April 19, 2014, 01:10:16 am
Most PS2's are already 10+ years old in another 20 they'll be 30 and over. A lot of the optical pickups will inevitably fail within that time. I doubt there's gonna be many if any companies making replacement laser's for 30+ year old systems. So it's not gonna be like the second and third gen consoles where they'll be a ton of units still functioning at 30 years of age. This should surely help even out the demand for PS2 media.
You think the PS1's prices will go crazy in the next 3 years? My counter point would be if it was the cartridge based systems that were driving the prices, and that the same conditions couldn't be met with a disc based system. Will ps2 discs even work in 10 years? The disc as good storage has never been tested.
I have CD's released as early as 83 that still work just fine.
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Post by: soera on April 19, 2014, 01:24:21 am
Disk-based games are also not as durable as cartridges.
This 110%. I know everyone says that the last 4-5 generations of games have been mass produced but simply put, a lot of them are not going to survive. Some of the ugliest fucking cartridges that look like they were unearthed from 20 years in a burial plot still play like they are brand new. These disk games can not do that. Im waiting to see what the game collector crowd is like when we are on the PS8.
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Post by: burningdoom on April 19, 2014, 01:27:37 am
Most PS2's are already 10+ years old in another 20 they'll be 30 and over. A lot of the optical pickups will inevitably fail within that time. I doubt there's gonna be many if any companies making replacement laser's for 30+ year old systems. So it's not gonna be like the second and third gen consoles where they'll be a ton of units still functioning at 30 years of age. This should surely help even out the demand for PS2 media.
You think the PS1's prices will go crazy in the next 3 years? My counter point would be if it was the cartridge based systems that were driving the prices, and that the same conditions couldn't be met with a disc based system. Will ps2 discs even work in 10 years? The disc as good storage has never been tested.
I have CD's released as early as 83 that still work just fine.
Same here. And I've listened to Pyromania and Ride the Lightning, A LOT.
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Post by: theflea on April 19, 2014, 04:21:39 am
Disk-based games are also not as durable as cartridges.
This 110%. I know everyone says that the last 4-5 generations of games have been mass produced but simply put, a lot of them are not going to survive. Some of the ugliest fucking cartridges that look like they were unearthed from 20 years in a burial plot still play like they are brand new. These disk games can not do that. Im waiting to see what the game collector crowd is like when we are on the PS8.
This is a good point, Disc based games could go up if less and less can be found that are not scratched the hell up. Do you know how many times I pass on PS1, PS2, Xbox and GC games due to they look like freddy Kruger took his claws to them? While some can be resurfaced (personally I pass on these to) it could make CD games in mint shape be more in demand.
Speaking of being unearthed, any one hear that people got permission to dig in New Mexico to try and find the legendary ET dump site? lol I have a feeling people are going to be disappointed in what they find. :P
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Post by: scott on April 19, 2014, 08:44:55 am
Lots of diapers.
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Post by: argyle on April 19, 2014, 09:33:55 am
Disk-based games are also not as durable as cartridges.
This 110%. I know everyone says that the last 4-5 generations of games have been mass produced but simply put, a lot of them are not going to survive. Some of the ugliest fucking cartridges that look like they were unearthed from 20 years in a burial plot still play like they are brand new. These disk games can not do that. Im waiting to see what the game collector crowd is like when we are on the PS8.
This is exactly the point I was trying to make. A collector may pass on a beat-up cart because he wants one that looks pretty, but everyone will be passing on these trashed disks because they simply will not play.
And I expect the ET cart dig to be very similar to this (for those as old as I am...):
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Post by: dreama1 on April 19, 2014, 11:26:04 am
Disk-based games are also not as durable as cartridges.
This 110%. I know everyone says that the last 4-5 generations of games have been mass produced but simply put, a lot of them are not going to survive. Some of the ugliest fucking cartridges that look like they were unearthed from 20 years in a burial plot still play like they are brand new. These disk games can not do that. Im waiting to see what the game collector crowd is like when we are on the PS8.
Disk-based games are also not as durable as cartridges.
This 110%. I know everyone says that the last 4-5 generations of games have been mass produced but simply put, a lot of them are not going to survive. Some of the ugliest fucking cartridges that look like they were unearthed from 20 years in a burial plot still play like they are brand new. These disk games can not do that. Im waiting to see what the game collector crowd is like when we are on the PS8.
This is exactly the point I was trying to make. A collector may pass on a beat-up cart because he wants one that looks pretty, but everyone will be passing on these trashed disks because they simply will not play.
And I expect the ET cart dig to be very similar to this (for those as old as I am...):
Al Capone's vault may have been disappointing, but what was in the glove compartment of his car was shocking!
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Post by: Warmsignal on April 19, 2014, 06:28:13 pm
I dunno, I've popped some really, really rough discs into my consoles before just for curiosity, and they work perfectly. I'm talking discs so scratched you can't see your reflection in them anymore. Then, I'll put a disc in that looks near perfect, and won't work worth crap.
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Post by: dreama1 on April 19, 2014, 08:45:37 pm
I dunno, I've popped some really, really rough discs into my consoles before just for curiosity, and they work perfectly. I'm talking discs so scratched you can't see your reflection in them anymore. Then, I'll put a disc in that looks near perfect, and won't work worth crap.
I don't really mean if the disc is scratched or in shitty condition. The theory goes that discs naturally start to deteriorate after 30 years+
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Post by: argyle on April 20, 2014, 01:43:13 am
I dunno, I've popped some really, really rough discs into my consoles before just for curiosity, and they work perfectly. I'm talking discs so scratched you can't see your reflection in them anymore. Then, I'll put a disc in that looks near perfect, and won't work worth crap.
A lot of people don't realize that the most damaging scratches are on the label side. The bottom can usually take a good bit of damage, but a small scratch on the top will make the disk worthless.
Anyway, I hit several PS2 games in the recent Gamestop clearance that were scratched to the point that they either wouldn't boot at all or skipped badly when they did. And I have a copy of Persona that my wife got from somewhere before we met that skips pretty bad as well.
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Post by: MJMaranan on April 20, 2014, 02:01:07 am
I can agree that PS2 games will reach around the same prices as PS1 games but NES? Not completely certain.
Whatever the case may be... I've been compiling and looking for games I want the most for the system right now.
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Post by: 90snostalga on April 20, 2014, 05:08:27 pm
Disk-based games are also not as durable as cartridges.
This 110%. I know everyone says that the last 4-5 generations of games have been mass produced but simply put, a lot of them are not going to survive. Some of the ugliest fucking cartridges that look like they were unearthed from 20 years in a burial plot still play like they are brand new. These disk games can not do that. Im waiting to see what the game collector crowd is like when we are on the PS8.
True story. I knew a guy that burried Mario 64 in the ground back in 97 or 98. He literally got a shovel, dug a big hole, and buried the crap out of the cartridge. I did not keep to much contact with him over the years; however, about a year ago, I ran into him at the library and he asked if I remembered the burying and I said yes. He said he forgot about it until a week before I ran into him, and he dug it out and it still play like new. Amazing. Bet that would not be the case with a cd game.
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Post by: bikingjahuty on April 20, 2014, 11:17:23 pm
Disk-based games are also not as durable as cartridges.
This 110%. I know everyone says that the last 4-5 generations of games have been mass produced but simply put, a lot of them are not going to survive. Some of the ugliest fucking cartridges that look like they were unearthed from 20 years in a burial plot still play like they are brand new. These disk games can not do that. Im waiting to see what the game collector crowd is like when we are on the PS8.
True story. I knew a guy that burried Mario 64 in the ground back in 97 or 98. He literally got a shovel, dug a big hole, and buried the crap out of the cartridge. I did not keep to much contact with him over the years; however, about a year ago, I ran into him at the library and he asked if I remembered the burying and I said yes. He said he forgot about it until a week before I ran into him, and he dug it out and it still play like new. Amazing. Bet that would not be the case with a cd game.
That is really cool! And yes, I doubt a CD could have endured that.
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Post by: burningdoom on April 21, 2014, 01:43:37 am
I know this is a mean thing to say for future collectors of PS2, but, I really hope they raise in value. I have more PS2 games than any other system just because they've been so cheap. It'd be nice for my biggest set to go up in value.
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Post by: 90snostalga on April 21, 2014, 08:07:57 am
I know this is a mean thing to say for future collectors of PS2, but, I really hope they raise in value. I have more PS2 games than any other system just because they've been so cheap. It'd be nice for my biggest set to go up in value.
:'(
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Post by: blipcs76 on April 22, 2014, 10:00:13 am
I know this is a mean thing to say for future collectors of PS2, but, I really hope they raise in value. I have more PS2 games than any other system just because they've been so cheap. It'd be nice for my biggest set to go up in value.
I think they will start increasing in value starting about 5 years from now, as kids that grew up with it go what we went through in the 8/16/32/64 bit generations. That being said, I doubt more than a few games will breach the $100 price point on the PS2. The library is just too massive for anyone other than obsessives to go for a full PS2 library, so most of the common games will probably always hover around the $1-$5 mark. It's going to be the JRPGs, fighting games, shooters and survival horror titles that experience the most growth. I could see Silent Hill 2 at $30, Gradius V at $45 and Disgaea at $50 five years from now.
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Post by: burningdoom on April 22, 2014, 12:23:49 pm
I really need to get Gradius III & IV and Gradius V before they get there! I love me some shoot-em ups, and Gradius is one of the best series! I have the NES, SNES, and GBA ones.
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Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 02:19:13 pm
I really need to get Gradius III & IV and Gradius V before they get there! I love me some shoot-em ups, and Gradius is one of the best series! I have the NES, SNES, and GBA ones.
Musha's better. :D
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Post by: argyle on April 22, 2014, 02:57:48 pm
I'm not a huge shoot-em-up fan, but I do pick them up when I find them for cheap because I find them fun to mess around with occasionally. That said, I am on the lookout for the PS2 R-Type because I've always had a soft spot for that series. I used to own that one & remember enjoying it quite a bit. Dunno what possessed me to get rid of it. :-\
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Post by: burningdoom on April 22, 2014, 03:53:53 pm
I really need to get Gradius III & IV and Gradius V before they get there! I love me some shoot-em ups, and Gradius is one of the best series! I have the NES, SNES, and GBA ones.
Musha's better. :D
Great game, but you can't really call it a series, there's only 1.
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Post by: darko on April 22, 2014, 04:57:08 pm
I don't see any disc based games going as crazy as carts. There will come a time when the discs simply wont work. Regardless of scratches, disc rot is a real thing. You could leave a game sealed and the odds of it working flawlessly in 20-30 years are minimal. Also - the consoles will all be dead someday. They have too many moving parts, too many things to go wrong, etc. That PS2 might have a brand new laser installed, but it might not be functional in 20 years even without use. Are there going to be lasers available 20 years from now? Meh - maybe, maybe not.
My suggestion (even as a collector) is to back those discs up on a PC and store them away until you want to play them again. I have a HDD installed on my PS2 for many reasons - one is because I know that someday that could be my only option.
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Post by: burningdoom on April 22, 2014, 04:59:11 pm
I personally think disc rot is a myth started by people that don't take care of their discs or bought bad discs. Like has already been mentioned by others, I have CDs that came out in the early-to-mid 80s that work perfectly fine and that's about as old as discs get. And these are CDs I've listened to A LOT (I'm big on the 80s).
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Post by: 90snostalga on April 22, 2014, 05:31:10 pm
I personally think disc rot is a myth started by people that don't take care of their discs or bought bad discs. Like has already been mentioned by others, I have CDs that came out in the early-to-mid 80s that work perfectly fine and that's about as old as discs get. And these are CDs I've listened to A LOT (I'm big on the 80s).
Here me out on this one doom. Disc rot does occur; however, it's a time frame issue. When I using to produce music for local studios I learned a lot about the cd dye. CD's made after I believe 2000 or so, are made with less quality and the dye does fade over time. CD's from the 80s were produced hell of a lot better. As well as not just the dye but the coating. The coating after the dye since the late 90s or so, is not as heavy as a compact disc from the 80s. One of my grand mothers who used to work in the Silicon Valley for IBM back in the 60s, said they actually used cds back then (a little different form) and she claims those were fantastic durability compared to now.
You are probably right about it does depend on how well cds are treated but it seems that most of my older cds from the 80s and early 90s do have less scratches. Hell, sometimes I will buy a new cd and it will get a scratch on it immediately after I take it out of the cd player from its first play.
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Post by: 90snostalga on April 22, 2014, 05:33:33 pm
I will say that when I hold a Wii U game disc, I can certainly feel the texture and heaviness of the rim of the cd coating. I have not touched a ps4 or xbox one disc but the Wii U disc seems to have better physical quality than a 360 or ps3 disc. Any one else notice this or am I just plain stupid?
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Post by: Warmsignal on April 22, 2014, 07:51:41 pm
Two opinions here. I too think disc rot is a myth unless stored in the wrong connditions. It seems like disc rot conspiracy changes the life expectancy every time people can prove they have old discs that work just fine.
Also just want to point out that some PS2 games have already risen in value. The market no longer needs to wait for the games to become antiquated before becoming collectable. Especially niche games. Back in the days of SNES I bet there were no NES games that were worth more than msrp already.
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Post by: darko on April 22, 2014, 08:32:02 pm
Blueray disks have a really heavy coating. Anything on a blueray should last a long while. The coating is pretty nuts on them. It's almost difficult to scratch unless you throw them around.
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: thecrypticodor on April 22, 2014, 08:57:07 pm
I personally think disc rot is a myth started by people that don't take care of their discs or bought bad discs. Like has already been mentioned by others, I have CDs that came out in the early-to-mid 80s that work perfectly fine and that's about as old as discs get. And these are CDs I've listened to A LOT (I'm big on the 80s).
Same here I tons of early 80's CD that are absolutely perfect not a single one has any read errors. I've only ever heard of disc rot happening to laser disc's and that's even rare. It's only CD/DVD-R that has a 20-30 year shelf life. As long as you have a drive to read it optical media will last a hell of a lot longer than a hard drive will.
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 10:48:38 pm
I really need to get Gradius III & IV and Gradius V before they get there! I love me some shoot-em ups, and Gradius is one of the best series! I have the NES, SNES, and GBA ones.
Musha's better. :D
Great game, but you can't really call it a series, there's only 1.
Not true its on sega master system powerstrike 1,2 lol.
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 10:51:46 pm
I personally think disc rot is a myth started by people that don't take care of their discs or bought bad discs. Like has already been mentioned by others, I have CDs that came out in the early-to-mid 80s that work perfectly fine and that's about as old as discs get. And these are CDs I've listened to A LOT (I'm big on the 80s).
Here me out on this one doom. Disc rot does occur; however, it's a time frame issue. When I using to produce music for local studios I learned a lot about the cd dye. CD's made after I believe 2000 or so, are made with less quality and the dye does fade over time. CD's from the 80s were produced hell of a lot better. As well as not just the dye but the coating. The coating after the dye since the late 90s or so, is not as heavy as a compact disc from the 80s. One of my grand mothers who used to work in the Silicon Valley for IBM back in the 60s, said they actually used cds back then (a little different form) and she claims those were fantastic durability compared to now.
You are probably right about it does depend on how well cds are treated but it seems that most of my older cds from the 80s and early 90s do have less scratches. Hell, sometimes I will buy a new cd and it will get a scratch on it immediately after I take it out of the cd player from its first play.
How the hell does that work anyway? Shouldn't things be improving instead of going backwards. 1980s not really that long ago problems start after 30 years.
I really need to get Gradius III & IV and Gradius V before they get there! I love me some shoot-em ups, and Gradius is one of the best series! I have the NES, SNES, and GBA ones.
Musha's better. :D
Great game, but you can't really call it a series, there's only 1.
Not true its on sega master system powerstrike 1,2 lol.
Never knew there was a connection between the two. Definitely going to have to check out the Power Strikes, now.
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 11:52:18 pm
I really need to get Gradius III & IV and Gradius V before they get there! I love me some shoot-em ups, and Gradius is one of the best series! I have the NES, SNES, and GBA ones.
Musha's better. :D
Great game, but you can't really call it a series, there's only 1.
Not true its on sega master system powerstrike 1,2 lol.
Never knew there was a connection between the two. Definitely going to have to check out the Power Strikes, now.
Powerstrike 2 only came out in europe it's very rare but really impressive graphically, and music wise. Check it out looks 16 bit truly does what nintendon't. ;)
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: betelgeuse on June 19, 2014, 08:17:38 pm
I think the value will go up. Most people don't take care of their stuff so there should be less of the games around in excellent condition. I've got plenty of CD's and DVD's going on close to 20 years now. They all play perfect. Besides, PS2 games work right outta the package. These current games need updates, DLC transfers and none of the online playability will survive. I don't think this generation of games will be all that collectible, but the old school stuff should continue to be hunted.
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: Warmsignal on June 19, 2014, 09:37:27 pm
I think the value will go up. Most people don't take care of their stuff so there should be less of the games around in excellent condition. I've got plenty of CD's and DVD's going on close to 20 years now. They all play perfect. Besides, PS2 games work right outta the package. These current games need updates, DLC transfers and none of the online playability will survive. I don't think this generation of games will be all that collectible, but the old school stuff should continue to be hunted.
Wouldn't you just need a machine that already has said updates? Seems like that would be a really easy DIY if necessary. There's no reason why that data will escape into oblivion just because the games are old. Besides, not a single update to any 360 game has required Internet connection for me, the "update" came on the disc. Only this latest gen has ever "required" Internet to update just so that it can play games after setup.
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: abe on June 19, 2014, 09:55:05 pm
I think the value will go up. Most people don't take care of their stuff so there should be less of the games around in excellent condition. I've got plenty of CD's and DVD's going on close to 20 years now. They all play perfect. Besides, PS2 games work right outta the package. These current games need updates, DLC transfers and none of the online playability will survive. I don't think this generation of games will be all that collectible, but the old school stuff should continue to be hunted.
Wouldn't you just need a machine that already has said updates? Seems like that would be a really easy DIY if necessary. There's no reason why that data will escape into oblivion just because the games are old. Besides, not a single update to any 360 game has required Internet connection for me, the "update" came on the disc. Only this latest gen has ever "required" Internet to update just so that it can play games after setup.
Same goes for PSP and Wii games (probably PS3 games too, though I haven't used that method for updates). The necessary firmware updates come right on the UMD (PSP) or the disc (Wii).
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: argyle on June 19, 2014, 10:34:21 pm
I think the value will go up. Most people don't take care of their stuff so there should be less of the games around in excellent condition. I've got plenty of CD's and DVD's going on close to 20 years now. They all play perfect. Besides, PS2 games work right outta the package. These current games need updates, DLC transfers and none of the online playability will survive. I don't think this generation of games will be all that collectible, but the old school stuff should continue to be hunted.
Wouldn't you just need a machine that already has said updates? Seems like that would be a really easy DIY if necessary. There's no reason why that data will escape into oblivion just because the games are old. Besides, not a single update to any 360 game has required Internet connection for me, the "update" came on the disc. Only this latest gen has ever "required" Internet to update just so that it can play games after setup.
Same goes for PSP and Wii games (probably PS3 games too, though I haven't used that method for updates). The necessary firmware updates come right on the UMD (PSP) or the disc (Wii).
And any after the fact patches, while nice, aren't usually necessary. But I also believe that by the time those things are no longer available to download someone somewhere will have come up with an alternate solution.
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: badATchaos on June 20, 2014, 12:22:05 am
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It is true that discs are fragile and break much easier than a cart. In the future, and even now, PS2 games will be in the hands of adults and collectors who care about the condition of their belongings. As time goes on and less mainstream users (e.g. children) physically interacting with the discs, the rate of disc breakage will decrease.
One thing that most of you failed to point out is that carts do in fact rust. Simple contact with air over many years will eventually decay any iron or copper components into nothing but oxidation. Left alone, CD-DVD ROMs will last two or three lifetimes, where carts might last one. Couple this with the fact that games today have massive production runs! Disc are printed in the millions compared to the tens or hundreds of thousands on cartridges.
With that all said the PS2 (and other optical disc systems) was(were) very popular. The more popular a brand or product is the more likely there will be collectors for it. Disc games will go up in value but I can never see them surpassing cartridge games.
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: argyle on June 20, 2014, 07:01:58 am
I think it will depend on what you're after. For most PS2 games, if you just want the game on disk playable, then they may not be that rare. If you want them complete & in collectable condition, those are already getting very scarce. Most people, kids or adults, just don't take care of their stuff.
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: betelgeuse on June 20, 2014, 07:10:46 pm
I think the value will go up. Most people don't take care of their stuff so there should be less of the games around in excellent condition. I've got plenty of CD's and DVD's going on close to 20 years now. They all play perfect. Besides, PS2 games work right outta the package. These current games need updates, DLC transfers and none of the online playability will survive. I don't think this generation of games will be all that collectible, but the old school stuff should continue to be hunted.
Wouldn't you just need a machine that already has said updates? Seems like that would be a really easy DIY if necessary. There's no reason why that data will escape into oblivion just because the games are old. Besides, not a single update to any 360 game has required Internet connection for me, the "update" came on the disc. Only this latest gen has ever "required" Internet to update just so that it can play games after setup.
Was kinda thinking Xbox One or PS4 as this generation and not PS3 or 360. I'm sure the 360/PS3 will have some kind of price increase over the years (especially the one player games), but not as dramatic. No, the data doesn't just "escape into oblivion", but somebody buying the game 15-20 years from now most likely won't have the updates or patches on their hard drive for that particular game.
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: blipcs76 on June 21, 2014, 07:43:03 pm
I think that in 20 years the problem won't be the discs, it will be the hardware. Modern systems have way more that can go wrong, and the lasers will probably be the big problem.
That being said, who thinks a disc based Retron-x system is inevitable once these systems start to fail? I'd love a single system that I could play Shenmue, Metroid Prime, God of War and Halo on!
Title: Re: Will PS2's standard games become expensive in 20 years like the NES?
Post by: betelgeuse on June 24, 2014, 02:06:30 pm
I think that in 20 years the problem won't be the discs, it will be the hardware. Modern systems have way more that can go wrong, and the lasers will probably be the big problem.
That being said, who thinks a disc based Retron-x system is inevitable once these systems start to fail? I'd love a single system that I could play Shenmue, Metroid Prime, God of War and Halo on!
Very true. I can see something like this happening. I'm not sure what the emulator I tried out years ago was, but it required the TG-16 disc in the PC to play it.